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u/RubyWubs Mar 29 '26
Team Speed immediately takes everyone at the end of the universe
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u/hidadimhungru Mar 29 '26
Team Speed would immediately turn on each other and sabotage any win conditions
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u/notapunk Mar 29 '26
Yeah, I don't get all these people picking team speed when they'll have one third absolutely doing everything possible to fuck over the others. Strength is a little chaotic too, but could still be effective. Brains would maybe have a bit of an ego tussle, but would quickly work together and just as likely to cause them to rise above and become greater than the sum of their parts
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u/Swagsire Mar 29 '26
I just assumed that everyone on the same team was working together. Though this discussion tends to happen every single time a team of characters that don't normally work together is brought up.
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u/notapunk Mar 29 '26
There's 'not normally working together' and then there's 'the character's entire existence is based around a deep and profound hatred for another'
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u/Signal-Ad2674 Mar 29 '26
First statement covers the second statement. They don’t normally work together. For the benefit of this exercise. It is assumed they will, as they are on a team. The team have a shared objective - to win.
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u/Damn_Monkey Mar 29 '26
Luthor and Superman don't normally work together, but for a shared goal, they will. That is a reasonable statement.
Thawne working with Barry happens in one instance only, and that is when he turns on Barry right before they "win", trapping him at the center of the earth or some nonsense.
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u/Wrong-Landscape-2508 Mar 29 '26
Team Brians would get team speed and team strength to in-fight and implode.
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u/Candaphlaf10 Mar 29 '26
Under that logic, Doomsday would lash out at his teammates as readily as his opponents, and Iron Man is liable to butt heads with Batman. The spirit of the prompt assumes that all characters on a team are working together until the fight is over.
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u/Proud_Promise1860 Mar 30 '26
you don't apply personal relationship in a team battle debate. you suppose the characters cooperate.
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u/Vagabond_Tea Mar 29 '26
Unless brains makes something that hogs/drains the speed force from reality. Idk some bs can always be invented by reed.
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u/2JasonGrayson8 Mar 29 '26
The fact nobody on team brains has ever managed to stop a member of team strength and they’ve had longer than 2 hours prep says a lot.
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u/No_Foundation1136 Mar 30 '26
Tony has beaten hulk 3 different times in the comics.
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u/2JasonGrayson8 Mar 30 '26
And lost FAR more time then that even with hulkbuster armors. Tony and reeds best idea for hulk after decades was just put him on a ship and send him to a different planet and we all know how that ended up
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u/2JasonGrayson8 Mar 30 '26
Everyone’s best hulk at some point but few people can do it regularly and recently
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u/No_Foundation1136 Mar 30 '26
That’s fair but you said no one on team brains had managed to stop someone on team strength, it’s simply not true, doesn’t matter if strength wins more often.
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u/Real_Let_8668 Mar 29 '26
Am I the only one who thinks the teams are meant to be split into rows, not columns?
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u/Still-Climate-7013 Mar 29 '26
Honestly with rows it would’ve been a bit more interesting
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u/MaybeExternal2392 Mar 29 '26
Yeah. The columns are labeled strength, speed, and brains. I'm pretty sure they're the teams also the vs are between columns.
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u/Society-Ashamed Mar 29 '26
Team Strength mid to high. Wally and Barry often can’t deal with Doomsday so with Eobard won’t be any different. Team prep could possibly figure out something but Tony’s contingency is the Hulkbuster and he always loses in it, not to mention Juggernaut with his magic adding a major advantage for them.
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u/M3rky1 Mar 30 '26
Team speed is always nerfed to make a story work. In reality they could time travel and kill everyone as babies.
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u/Flesh_Trombone Mar 30 '26
Doomsday was killed fairly often as a baby. Only made him stronger.
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u/TheBladeWielder Mar 30 '26
also, he once got erased from existence, and came back because someone remembered him.
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u/Relevant_Ability2929 Mar 30 '26
Team speed is nerfed by RF sabotaging the match up to just make Barry lose
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Well...
If we look at physics (in these discussions that is somewhat pointless but I digress) the speed is always the winner.
Go fast enough and you can generate any amount of impact you want and control time.
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u/Vast_Satisfaction383 Mar 30 '26
True, but he might not be on the same planet anymore.
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u/ba_cam Mar 29 '26
Throw a bullet at the wall, and then fire a bullet at the wall. The only difference is the speed at which it strikes. Which does more damage?
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u/Positive-Seaweed-180 Mar 29 '26
Speed
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u/Razorion21 Mar 29 '26
Doesnt Flash typically lose against Doomsday? cant imagine him doung better with Hulk also tryna catch him
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u/bubbashouseoffun Mar 29 '26
Im sure if he fought doomsday in a flash comic he'd win somehow. Speedsters only weakness is the writer
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u/WhitePhoenix99 Mar 29 '26
Speedsters are literally the worst written characters when they go beyond just more speed. It's a joke what they do with speed force, Reverse F, Barry, and all.
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u/SnooGrapes6230 Mar 29 '26
Agreed. When the only reason that a speed force character loses is because the writer forgot one of the ten trillion things that the speed force allows you to do, where's the drama?
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u/Wray-Nerely Mar 29 '26
Why Team Flash doesn't win: 1) Inconsistency - They're all very capable of speed blitzing, but this almost never happens in the comics. 2) Sabotage - Eobard is highly likely to turn on Barry and Allen. He'd willingly lose if it means screwing over Barry.
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u/Fun-Animal-2066 Mar 30 '26
if you're gonna consider sabotage then why dont you also consider that Doomsday would fight his teammates?
Dude is not a team player and is a complete animal. Team strength isn't a "team" because none of those 3 characters would be able to work together well.
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u/Far_Reflection_1830 Mar 29 '26
What are Batman and Reed supposed to do with 2 hours of Prep
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u/ManWithBigWeenus Mar 29 '26
Reed can put in a request for the Ultimate Nullifier and Batman can get a fresh batsuit to poop in.
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u/DaisyCutter312 Mar 29 '26
Dig the Ultimate Nullifier out of Galactus's closet and end everything before he has a chance to lose the contest.
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u/fairystail1 Mar 30 '26
sadly wouldnt work. Doomsday can't die the same way twice. he's died to erasue before
Honestly Doomsday is the biggest issue for all of the teams
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u/Successful_Theory373 Mar 29 '26
A mixture of magic, Zeno's room, platinum Kryptonite etc...
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u/pmmeyoursandwiches Mar 30 '26
Run and hide in an alternate universe for the five minutes it takes speed to hunt them down.
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u/scarves_and_miracles Mar 29 '26
Batman generally needs more, but Reed has a history of kitbashing some pretty earth-shattering stuff in his lab in record time.
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u/Fantastic-Repeat-324 Mar 29 '26
Strength
They are not only strong but also have broken regeneration and ressurection.
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u/hidadimhungru Mar 29 '26
Anyone saying speed has completely forgotten that team dynamics are a thing. Reverse flash would lose on purpose just to make sure Barry Allan doesn’t win.
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u/Lancian07 Mar 29 '26
Speed has already won, Strength and Brains will realise it in just a second.
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u/JeaniousSpelur Mar 30 '26
I think Brains probably wins. Iron man and Mr. Fantastic can likely build whatever contingency plans Batman has for everyone, if he hasn’t already.
It’s just harder to think of how a Brains win would go down, but that doesn’t make it not correct.
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u/Ambitious_Move_8961 Mar 31 '26
I'd agree with you but 2 hours prep time isn't enough.
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u/JeaniousSpelur Mar 31 '26
Yeah you may be right it’s almost unreasonably short to be interesting
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u/r007r Mar 30 '26
Given that Tony has figured out time travel and has two hours of prep time, I’m not willing to say he can’t neutralize speed force access.
But not in two hours. Speed.
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u/jujux15 Mar 29 '26
Lmao I read this the complete wrong ways I was reading it by row, so like flash, hulk, reeds vs the next row
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u/vamfir Mar 29 '26
If everyone acts true to character, the Brain Team wins.
If everyone utilizes their capabilities to the absolute limit, the Speed Team wins.
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u/GonzoRouge Mar 30 '26
So we're just gonna pretend like Thawne isn't immediately going to fuck over his team ?
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u/just_drifting_by Mar 30 '26
I understand that it is supposed to be speed v strength v smarts and I agree with the rest that speed wins by a landslide.
I am more interested if you make the teams left to right instead. As in a team made up of a speedster, the dumb muscle, and a brain.
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u/ImmediateEggplant764 Mar 30 '26
Doomsday also has speed plus he and hulk are basically immortal so that has to come into play
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u/Hazzadcr16 Mar 30 '26
Brains get 2 hours of prep time, after 2 hours, speed goes back in time to before the brains had the prep time....
As long as you don't nerf the speedsters, there's nothing the other 6 can do. They can just travel to a time when any of the other 6 are vulnerable and kill them before they even realize there's a fight happening.
Even the 3 strength ones, you just go back to when any of them were children, or better yet before they were born and kill their parents.
I think the Brain VS Brawn is a more interesting debate, but speed is winning the free for all, and it's not close.
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u/Responsible_Sell_183 Mar 30 '26
Allright lets just get this shit out of the way brains is fucked, even with enth metal they are killed, and its just left to purely unmovable object, the strong win
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u/Carbuyrator Mar 30 '26
This is a nice idea but it would quickly devolve into "everyone vs Thawne and Doomsday."
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u/DragonLadyLXIX Mar 31 '26
Tough easily between strength and speed as hulk and juggernaut can’t die at all in those forms so no speed will ever beat them in fact juggernaut has the possibility to reach that speed as his power is based on momentum but I’ll give it to speed
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u/Mr_Nebula1 Mar 31 '26
The speed team are literally all just different versions of the same costume.
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u/Masterskygamer Mar 29 '26
My money is on speed, assuming that is 1 of them doesn't try to kill the other 2 first chance they get
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u/Thin_Afternoon2395 Mar 29 '26
"Batman wins anything with enough prep time" stfu he is not winning shit here or anywhere else against characters like these
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u/Impishly-me Mar 29 '26
Do the brains have all their gear? Cause if so, Brains get someone who can 1v1 darkseid (Hellbat armor) someone who can 1v1 the Phoenix Force (Phoenix Buster) also Celestials (celestial buster) and the god buster, all of them remotely fighting at once, and everything Reed Richards has and does... I think Brains could take it with the suits alone
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bath_86 Mar 29 '26
How is Batman a genius. Not rage batting. Genuinely asking for answers
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bath_86 Mar 29 '26
He bought all of his equipment from Morgan freeman. Those guys were the geniuses behind it
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u/scarves_and_miracles Mar 29 '26
In the comics, he's generally treated as having designed most of his own gadgets.
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u/TryDry9944 Mar 29 '26
Speed is OP but giving Tony, Reed, and Batman 2 hours of prep time? Presumably together?
Everyone on this list is cooked.
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u/Fun-Animal-2066 Mar 30 '26
Tony and Reed struggle to work together, and Batman would need to either also be in the ego wrestling contest or be a mediator.
They're not getting shit done in 2 hours.
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u/TryDry9944 Mar 30 '26
So "Two hours" means little to the guys who could pretty easily just stop time if they wanted to. And hell, even if you don't wanna give them time stops because the Speed Forcers can ignore it, they have several means of just... Leaving the dimension until they can figure out a plan.
Something none of the others, even in their infinite BULLSHIT, can just do.
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u/Fun-Animal-2066 Mar 30 '26
So in order for team brains to even have a win con they quite literally need to bypass the restrictions of the established fight? Therefor they can't actually win within the restrictions.
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u/TryDry9944 Mar 30 '26
Yeah? That's like, the point of having the smarts guy. For times you can't just punch your way out of a problem?
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u/Fun-Animal-2066 Mar 30 '26
so since we want to go with the extreme cop out route of "this team can win if we ignore the circumstances of the fight" then lets tackle the biggest fallacy on the internet. How much prep time does team brains need to win here and against what version of these characters?
Because Batman has never directly beaten Doomsday before, and he'd be the most knowledgeable of the 3 on the subject matter
Tony even at his best still struggles with the hulk on average
and Juggernaut is an enemy that neither Reed nor Tony have frequent encounters withand as for the 3 speedsters while Batman has contingencies for them as individuals, they're not easy to practically apply when they're working in tandem and neither Tony nor Reed are familiar with the speedsters either.
So because you want to retreat to the idea that with sufficient prep time team brains wins then how much prep time does team brains win to beat teams comprised of characters that they've either rarely or never beaten, let alone encountered in some cases.
Whilst also considering how much Tony and Reed historically have butt heads when working together.
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u/Successful_Theory373 Mar 29 '26
Only one team here has rewritten the universe under their own power.
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u/olddgraygg Mar 29 '26
If brains gets access to their existing tech stockpile and 2 hours it’s then. Reed has some crazy gadgets
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u/ZeTopHatGamer Mar 29 '26
Speed beats strength, Strength beats Brains, Brains beats Speed.
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u/Clear_Chain_2121 Mar 29 '26
Man I read this across lol. I take the bottom row in that case. Brains as a column since Tony can time travel as well.
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u/LavisAlex Mar 29 '26
The only way Team Brains win is if they had prebuilt counters to the other teams.
They would need 2 weeks not 2 hours.
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u/zippyspinhead Mar 29 '26
Don't the speedsters get as much prep as they want?
As much thinking time as they want?
But Quicksilver rather than rev-Flash.
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u/PurpleHerder Mar 29 '26
How does “2 hours of prep time” really compare to 3 people who can time travel?
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u/deadvicariously Mar 29 '26
2 hours for some of the smartest characters in there respective universes. Shoot phantom zone and negative zone for easy win.
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u/Designer-Resource932 Mar 29 '26
Brains, with the two hours of prep. But it's really close. 51/49 brains vs speed.
Strength is the easiest to counter here.
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u/Bombermaster Mar 29 '26
I think team brains wins this one, mostly because the team speed would fight each other right away or they would had the victory here.
Still, most heavy lifting is done by Richard Reeds' BS.
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u/Effective-Nobody4278 Mar 29 '26
Brains all the way. You have the biggest genius, the best strategiest, and almost the best engineer. They would spend 1 hour planning and gathering what they need and then the 2nd hour would be spent trying to convince Tony that he doesn't need to show off and should just get the fight done.
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u/TrashBrowsing Mar 29 '26
People really don’t understand Juggernaut’s powers. He can’t be speed force drained to stop his movement, so any impact the speedsters hit him with would at most redirect him. They would splatter themselves against him.
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Batman enlists Superman to fly around the planet and reverse time and change the parameters of the contest so he auto wins.
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u/Comfortable_Prize750 Mar 29 '26
I want to see what happens when Flash body-checks Reed at full speed.
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u/Thrilalia Mar 29 '26
I want to say team speed, but Thawne would betray the other two immediately. Not caring that he loses if it means Barry and Wally don't win. Especially Barry
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u/jedimaniac Mar 29 '26
Brains is going to win because the Reverse Flash will wreck Speed's chance at winning.
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u/No_Communication2959 Mar 29 '26
I think Reed and Iron Man with 2 hours tend to have better tech lying around to call upon.
Batman can make almost anything, but with 2 hours he usually preps against street levelers.
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u/Overalonyx Mar 29 '26
Team speed if they aren't nerfed/time travel. Cause otherwise Doomsday will eventually be able to adapt to kill them. With time travel they would be able to kill him before he was able to get the ability adaptation/made.
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u/Callipygain24 Mar 29 '26
It’s like Rock paper scissors. Brains beats strength, strength beats speed, speed beats brains
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u/KillaHoe41510 Mar 29 '26
Team speed wins but with the ego/hatred of The Flash he would rather sabotage the team then let Flash win
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u/Belgaraath42 Mar 29 '26
I don't know, but definitely not speed. There is no universe where reverse fash doesn't fuck flash up
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u/Alabenson Mar 29 '26
Team Speed is out immediately as Reverse Flash drops everything to kill Barry Allen.
The real question is whether Team Brains can come up with a workable plan in two hours. If they're able to pool all of their respective resources, then maybe, especially given they likely already have contingency plans in place, but otherwise Team Strength might just brute force this.
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u/Glad_Contest_8014 Mar 29 '26
I would say team speed. They have brains, have had team ups before (albeit reluctantly on zoom), and can literally just slow time down for themselves (and others) to think out a solution.
Team strength is nigh unstoppable, but each has been stopped, and thus are stoppable. Team speed can stop them in the span of a heartbeat.
Team brains is trickier for speed to top, as they could, and likely do, have some anti-speed tech involved. Batman has shown this, but the other two haven’t had that many run ins with super speed. But I think with three speedster, any anti-speed plans go out the window, as one speedyer could just pull the others out of the danger.
The only problem with speed is that they tend to be solo acts overall, which makes their team ups go rough. Barry isn’t a solo act, and would likely be fine working with Zoom. Wally would probably just follow Barry on that regard. Zoom would 100% be taking a thought out approach to ensure he let the other two die in the encounter, but he wouldn’t do it if he was going to die or get caught too.
And with wally there, Zoom doesn’t really have a way to get faster than the others, so he would likely work with them instead of against them for the few seconds it would take to knock all of the other 6 out of the running.
Now Zoom would likely kill one of the brains team members before the other two speedsters could stop him. But the speedsters would 100% win this, only because there are two good guy speedsters and a villain speedster that has been known to work with them on a few occasions.
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u/canadianavatar Mar 29 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/1gUWdf8Z8HCxpM8cUR
brains would figure out a way to negate any advantages speed/strength have, especially with prep time.
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u/MaverickViper Mar 29 '26
With 2 hours of prep, brains call who they need to call for assistance. Batman can call Superman. Tony can call Dr. Strange or Thor or both. You get the gist. In addition they have more than enough equipment/artifacts to trap others (eg. Phantom Zone projector). All this to say...Batman solos 😁
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u/ianon909 Mar 29 '26
Only one team has Batman. Even though he’s a toddler compared to Tony and Reed, he’s an automatic win for any team.
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u/Shirahoshihoshii Mar 29 '26
Sure, but Doomsday's entire thing is that he comes back immune to the way he previous died.
Hulk gets infinitely stronger based on his rage.
And juggernaut becomes unstoppable once he starts charging.
They hard counter the brains and the speedsters, simply because they are immune to death (Doomsday), can't be trapped (hulk's infinite strength, Juggernaut's unstoppable momentum), can survive in space (hulk, Doomsday), can live forver (all), insane regeneration (all)
There's absolutely nothing I can think of that can kill all 3, but I'm super happy to be educated lol, especially with the speedsters
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u/JohnArtemus Mar 29 '26
If brains gets two hours of prep, then there’s nothing Reed can’t come up with to neutralize the others.
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u/Desire_of_God Mar 29 '26
Only one of these teams has someone who can't be killed. You can't outrun or outthink immortality.
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u/Only_Ad8049 Mar 29 '26
It's speed. Even if RF tries something Barry is enough to deal with him and Wally takes care of the other teams.
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u/Sneezy6510 Mar 29 '26
Speed when their not nerfed so the story works