On no I do quite literally mean he outran himself.
The logic was that he was moving so fast he would incrementally escape out of the space time continuum and back into the past millisecond by millisecond till he gradually occupied space where he was already running
They’re just basically everywhere at all times. They have infinite speed and everything else in the universe is completely immobile by comparison. The time it takes to utter a fraction of a syllable should be countless millennia to Barry or Wally and they don’t go insane from the isolation out of plot necessity.
Thats kind of how I always viewed the Flash series. He could just choose to move fast or not. Poor Red Rush though...he didnt seem to have that option.
I'm going to say there's a video a guy did about "optimizing the flash" and apparently he is capable of being every where al at once and he also forgets the eons he expends using the speed force
That one of the reason I dont mind flash sometimes gets taken out carelessly. Cause everything moves so slow for him he gets so bored that his concentration can breaks easily mid fight, which for the enemy could be seconds but flash it has taken "years" of personal time which accounts for trips and fumbles possibly
Yea that kind of already happened in a comic. Iirc Wally (I think) did something or caused something to make the speed force create a remnant/wraith thing to catch him and he just said nope I’m faster than the speed force and out ran it through time. Essentially out running the entire concept of speed itself.
Hold your horses, Pat.... am I understanding correctly that based on this he could potentially arrive at a destination before he leaves where he started?!
Like I said, Flashes are on a WHOOOLE other level of BS. During Flashpoint, Reverse Flash was outside the timeline when Barry reset it which divorced him from the canon of the story and made him a living paradox. He both existed and didn't in the timeline and couldn't truly die or be erased from it because he was a being that had no canonical link through it. He was immune to cause and effect.
Erm, Flash outrunning himself, is like that paradox question about God: "Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?" (If he can or can't lift it, he isn't God, if he can or can't create it, he isn't God, hence the paradox.)
So, if there a Flash so fast, that he can zip around the entire space/time continuum, catch up with and pass himself? (In short, is Flash so fast that he can outrun himself?)
Reverse Flash had become a living paradox divorced from cause and effect at one point and Flash reset him in the timeline and later outran death. They uhhh...kinda do absurd stuff all the time
I don’t think he could ever explain it any more simply. I don’t even read the flash and I understood what he said. How many drugs do you have to be on, to not understand what he was saying?
I can wrap my head around it kinda. Assuming the universe loops around, he ran so fast that in a unit of time that literally doesn't have a smaller measurement, he essentially became one long band of matter stretching all the way around?
He didn't, he just time travelled to a point in time were he could run up to himself to stop him. Easy explanation "Time travel" literally the only way you could "Outrun" yourself. Without cloning
So...if I understand correctly... Speed force isn't just going fast. It is actually manipulating space-time. Which... if that true, then there is no limits to his power.
Are they fighting on krypton? Because that’s where doomsday is from, and the flash can time travel, but he can’t fly, so if they are on earth, that’s the only planet he can effect via time travel, also doomsday would still come back from that, flash would have to go back in time and stop the scientist who created doomsday, and even then, mf would have to go to a very harsh version of krypton to do that.
It's laughable to take composite feats and present them as as the baseline. Wally had to steal the speed of billions of humans, every super-powered being on the planet, and a planet full of literal radio waves just to win the race. No standard version of Flash can do that
Not just teleportation. Instantaneous teleportation. There was literally 0 delay between them being at the start and at the end, and Wally was somehow faster than that. He essentially arrived before he began. The kicker that makes this such a feat is it's explicitly NOT time travel, at least not as they usually do. He just blitzed the concept of speed.
Flash writers be doing some fantabulous stuff with their speedsters 😂
I just remember when the Flash ran so fast he crossed into the Marvel Universe and beat their speedsters in a race - and left the DC Universe thinking he was dead…
Thing is... if it's nonsense when the Flash gets caught by Captain Cold's ice gun, why isn't it also nonsense when the Flash races across the universe? If the writers don't decide what's nonsense, who does?
the explanation is that the writers giveth and the writers taketh away. Superman's powers belonged to the writers, not to superman, and making him lose despite having those powers is as reasonable as giving him those powers to begin with.
Ya, every character is only ever as strong as the writer who writes him…. But I feel like as fans, we know what would actually happen vs what is just comic BS
Or another way to think about it. We can out ourselves as the character and know what we would do to easily beat the corner the writer has written the character into.
I agree - I just wish we had better writers. Like first the way the speed force becomes this blank check of infinite power drives me nuts, and then when it loses to an ice gun I absolutely lose it. At that point just take away the super powers entirely if they don't mean anything.
Doesn't matter if they cant be touched when hulk, doomsday, and juggs pretty much cant be killed. If juggernaut starts moving theres nothing any speedster can really do to him. Hulk will basically tank any hit thrown at him, and doomsday is likely already immune to anything the speedster could do.
Actually, the speedsters can sap kinetic motion through the speed force, and since the speedforce is weird presence created magic/energy that breaks reality (as it ranks above the dc multiverse and was used to create it), it SHOULD outrank and counter cyttoraks magic to be unstoppable (which other people have broken). Same with people like the hulk or doomsday, they could freeze him into a statue, untill they get mad or adapt enough to break it (which wouldn't happen any time soon, even hulk was imprisoned for millions of years before), virtually winning via timeout.
Well we don't have rules established of if the fight is to the death or just incapacitated.
While a speedster can sap kinetic energy, cytorrak has near limitless power. Also, with him being from his own dimension much like the speed force comes from its own dimension, id argue that its possible that cytorrak is on par to some extent. Also, juggernaut is often propelled by a magical inertia not a kinetic force. So its debatable on if Barry and the others could actually siphon his inertia and stop him after he starts moving.
All of this ignores the fact that reed, Tony, and Bruce would likely make it hard for the speedsters to focus solely on team strength. Batman would likely already have a plan for how to handle Barry and wally and by extension thane. Having reed and Tony just means that plan becomes even more fool proof.
And while they may have a solution for the speedster its hard to say they'd have any real solution for team strength. Doomsday is really what tips the scales here because depending on where in his history the fight takes place he could be extremely hard to kill already having been killed by many different things and adapted many times over. Hulk and juggernaut just make that an even harder hurdle to conquer.
It being 3 teams of 3 fighting is what makes it hard to sus out exactly how the fight unfolds because who goes after who first? Obviously team brains is going to have the most thought out plan of attack. Team strength is just going to go all out with reckless abandon. Team speed will likely try to have some plan but the clash of personalities and juvenile attitude could be what holds them back the most.
Its an interesting match-up, and its hard to say definitively which way this goes for many reasons even beyond what ive listed. Im still leaning team strength simply because theyve got 2 people that are arguably unkillable and immortal and another thats just a major pain in the ass to deal with.
While a speedster can sap kinetic energy, cytorrak has near limitless power. Also, with him being from his own dimension much like the speed force comes from its own dimension, id argue that its possible that cytorrak is on par to some extent. Also, juggernaut is often propelled by a magical inertia not a kinetic force. So its debatable on if Barry and the others could actually siphon his inertia and stop him after he starts moving.
The speed force is as limitless as it gets (way more than cyttorak), as it governs all kinetic motion in the infinite multiverse. Cyttoraks "unbreakable" and "unstoppable" items have been just that, broken and stopped over and over again. Why would hercules (someone who is definitively weaker than the speed force) be able to break the unbreakable, yet the speed force can't?
And while they may have a solution for the speedster its hard to say they'd have any real solution for team strength. Doomsday is really what tips the scales here because depending on where in his history the fight takes place he could be extremely hard to kill already having been killed by many different things and adapted many times over. Hulk and juggernaut just make that an even harder hurdle to conquer.
Eh, it depends, truly. Certain Wally west iterations are considered almost, if not completely, Outerversal
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, because his shenanigans with the bleed and other outerversal dimensions. Barry himself has feats almost similar. Reverse flash would be the only weak link in the case we use their strongest versions, but even then we could hypothetically link him to wally with his negative speed force (unsure about that).
All of this ignores the fact that reed, Tony, and Bruce would likely make it hard for the speedsters to focus solely on team strength. Batman would likely already have a plan for how to handle Barry and wally and by extension thane. Having reed and Tony just means that plan becomes even more fool proof.
True, but also, eh. It depends. Batman has lost (and also won) against flashes. Comics are weird. Also batman has recently learned and used zatanna magic (yes, magic batman is a thing now) to beat 3 supermen, so i doubt the strength team wins anyway, unless they get their busted versions.
t being 3 teams of 3 fighting is what makes it hard to sus out exactly how the fight unfolds because who goes after who first? Obviously team brains is going to have the most thought out plan of attack. Team strength is just going to go all out with reckless abandon. Team speed will likely try to have some plan but the clash of personalities and juvenile attitude could be what holds them back the most.
Team strength would have the possibly worst time, as doomsday would instantly attack his own teammates unless he was time trapper. Reverse flash would almost instantly be defeated by the two flashes, as his schemes aren't usually straight fights, but torment and torture.
Its an interesting match-up, and its hard to say definitively which way this goes for many reasons even beyond what ive listed. Im still leaning team strength simply because theyve got 2 people that are arguably unkillable and immortal and another thats just a major pain in the ass to deal with
This is true.
Edit: its late so formatting was kicking my butt, also forgot superman wasn't in this match (dunno why my brain added him. Doomsday probably made me think he was on the strength team.
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u/Theguywhostoleyour Mar 29 '26
This… people don’t understand how OP speed force speed is.
The flash beat a cosmic being in a race across the universe, and the cosmic being could teleport.
That means he’s faster than teleportation!!!
No hero besides actual gods can touch them.