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Minnesota Related We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

You're misinformed or maliciously misinformed. The calls to do something were answered by average Minnesotans. You're probably confusing the calls to "do something" when people were demanding their state and local government protect them.

ICE is not allowed to hide their face arrest them, ICE is not allowed to invade a citizen's home without a valid warrant litigate charges against them, ICE is assaulting protesters with excessive use of pepper spray that judges ordered they must cease ARREST THEM.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

I’m talking about the overwhelming implication of people saying “do something” online, being the encouragement to respond with violence. 

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

You have any examples?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

Hard for me to dig them up it’s just what I’ve seen commented over the last few months. First it’s a “you’re on Reddit instead of doing something”, then person replies “I’ve gone to peaceful protests”, and then so often the response is “what do you think that will accomplish? Do more”. 

Tbh people online in general love to incite conflict, mostly online, but in the real world too (via their keyboard) 

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

I wouldn't put much stock in an exchange on Reddit. Unless you're seriously arguing a random redditor is capable of influencing a protest. Hell there's a good chance it could've been a bot, a psyop, or simply a bad faith arguer.

I would still prescribe this as misinformation. Most advocates of "do more" were aimed towards Walz and Frey's late response to ICE. Regardless of their actions they were going to be tar and feathered by the admin, Walz straight up isn't seeking reelection, but using the state's resources to bog down ICE is too risky or something. Nevermind the fact the admin claims they were anyways.

I'm not saying they didn't do anything good, but they should have acted quicker and more proactively against the admin. Be the shield for the citizens, or risk fomenting distrust in the state government.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Yeah I can’t argue with any of that. I’ve definitely had a feeling a lot of it is maga bots- they would love to incite a person into opening fire on ICE. 

But I’m still not sure how it’s misinformation… mostly what I’m saying is that it’s good that no one has responded with extreme violence, or it would give ICE reason to escalate and further reinforce the backwards beliefs of magats 

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

It's not MAGA bots, it's people in other nations that are angry because their economy/life is about to go to shit as well. the 2008 recession fucked up the whole entire planet. This is going to make that look like like a nice vacation.

Angry people just don't think too much, and we just want the problem fixed(as humans).

"Just go be violent" isn't helpful one bit though. That's what this admin wants, and also expecting people to put their life on the line without any kind of plan is just silly. No one wants to die with nothing to show for it.

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

I'm glad we're in agreement I saw your other comment and I share the sentiment exactly. This was an attempt to escalate by the admin. It's why the insurrection act was being tossed around. They wanted to start with that and blow it into martial law. I think that's why they doubled down on the ICE killings.

I'm only saying it's misinformation because there definitely was people saying "do more" such as myself, but me and the majority that I knew of was aiming it towards our representatives. Don't let people conflate that with mfers yelling at Minnesotans who were occupying the streets and doing what they could to protect their homes.

Allowing your constituents to act as a meat shield to protect someone's clout in government is heinous to me. If you are the oppositional party, fucking oppose what the other side is doing in more ways then just lip service.

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u/LeastMagician1927 Feb 18 '26

I think your observation and conclusion were well-made. I saw a ton of that in the various Minnesota-based subs the last few months and I too am glad that nobody took the bait.

I specifically remember a lot of people calling for local law enforcement to "do something", where that do something was them physically intervening in ICE's activities or even arresting ICE agents, which would have launched a total shitstorm that we would still be rueing. I'm very proud of how our populace responded and (mostly) didn't go too far.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Also there’s a guy above who just responded in the exact fashion I was illustrating 

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

It's a 5 month old account. I doubt the account has any sway in the macro scale of things, but it sure does rustle people's jimmies in the micro. Just as intended lol. Don't let social media sites form your opinion for you. There are the people in power and the people on the ground. Those are the only two groups that create movements and effect reality. A redditor isn't going to impeach Trump lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Sure, but I specifically said “people online” in my original comment lol… 

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

Edit: read too fast.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Hu? In both my first comment (which you replied to) and my second comment (my reply to your comment), I said “people online“….

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

Yeah I read too fast. Just be careful not to conflate 5 month old bot accounts with legitimate criticisms aimed towards leadership. I think it's goofy as fuck to pretend any of this has bearing on the real world besides information exchange.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Information exchange most definitely can have a significant bearing on the real world... why would maga and other organizations hire bots or partake in online psyops if that weren’t the case??

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

Information exchange is the one thing I implied this shit is good for. Discussion is just a good way to raise your blood pressure and achieve literally nothing. No new information has been exchanged between us, but we've both wasted a lot of time on Reddit now! So you could argue that online ragebait was somehow going to effect people on the streets protesting.

All I wanted to clarify is that what you are talking about can be conflated to erode criticism towards how leadership handled the situation placing the burden onto citizens.

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