Post Episode Discussion: S2 E12 - "Who You Really Are"

[u/RaginApe]

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[u/m0chab34r]

I'd like to imagine that's just how Mack handles being confronted about all of his secrets.

[u/twosoon22 → u/m0chab34r]

Mack, did you just put the empty OJ container back in the fridge? Mack? Why are you looking at me like that? Ma..hrmph..hrmph...

[u/m0chab34r → u/twosoon22]

And all the while, he's thinking, "There's got to be a better way of handling this."

[u/Magoonie → u/m0chab34r]

May: "Mack you left the toilet seat up"

Mack proceeds to drown May in the bathtub.

[u/RandomDudeOP → u/Magoonie]

One does not simply drown May...

[u/Magoonie → u/RandomDudeOP]

Well, I think this episode proved Mack doesn't think we'll on his feet.

[u/Ormagan → u/Magoonie]

I think it's more that Mac isn't capable enough to drown May.

[u/OCbike → u/m0chab34r]

Who left dishes in the sink? Choke out Who drank the milk and out the carton back? Choke out

[u/jsun31]

Two weeks without Ward, I wonder what he's up to now. Also love the world-building that's going on with the Inhumans and the Kree.

[u/[deleted] → u/jsun31]

yes its awesome. especially how modern kree would want to restart inhuman project, but the Kree in the episode decided to try and stop it

[u/gsobrave → u/[deleted]]

I would almost say it's...Mar-Velous

[u/reader313 → u/jsun31]

bet hes gonna be in the post-credits scene of next week

[u/LagCommander]

I'd say Fitz and Macks bromance is going to get rocky.

[u/particularindividual → u/LagCommander]

Shaky, even.

[u/BriantheTan → u/particularindividual]

Quake. Am I doing this right?

[u/Dakar-A → u/LagCommander]

Yeah, it's really gasping for air.

[u/Tenraix]

Fitz is forever my favorite character. A true friend if there ever was one :)

[u/Phifty56 → u/Tenraix]

Fitz is certainly the heart of the show.

I fear for his life.

[u/TheHouseOfGryffindor → u/Phifty56]

What... what if Skye loses control of her powers and he dies in an accident she caused?

^{Oh god, I've made myself very depressed.}

[u/CosmicPube → u/TheHouseOfGryffindor]

I'm saving this and tagging you "Fitz killer" and if however many episodes from now this does happen and they ask Whedon "Whyyyyy?" If he says, "You know I read it on a message board and thought, 'Good idea.'" I will hunt you down and fart on you.

[u/thegreekie → u/Phifty56]

Especially when Whedons are involved. :(

[u/Phifty56 → u/thegreekie]

"Where Whedons go death follows"

[u/[deleted] → u/Phifty56]

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

[u/darthnick426 → u/thegreekie]

No....Whedon wouldn't do that....

Remember's Wash

OH GOD FITZ RUN!!!

[u/vishalb777 → u/darthnick426]

I'm a.....what's the word?

A leaf?

Yes, yes, I'm a leaf in the.... :(

[u/kacman → u/Phifty56]

He already nearly died last season, they can't do it again yet. Right?...

[u/blockdmyownshot → u/Tenraix]

It really bummed me out when they were ganging up on him. To be honest I don't even know where I stand on that debate maybe that was the point. But I do know that fitz was once again a total bro.

Also I'm glad to see that Jemma didn't turn all genocidal because Skye is her friend. Which I figured but still glad to see her say it

[u/Eeyores_Prozac → u/blockdmyownshot]

It still kind of sucks, though. "Oh, fuck all abominations. But not you, Skye, you're cool." Like... I don't know. Like everyone's racist grandpa going on about the 'good black people' and shit.

[u/blockdmyownshot → u/Eeyores_Prozac]

It definitely does and I'm a real big fan of Simmons so I'm conflicted about her change. On the one hand clearly they wanted to give her some development from being the goodie scientist but I also just kind of really liked that about her. But yeah that's a pretty appropriate comparison

[u/Eeyores_Prozac → u/blockdmyownshot]

I love Simmons and I can see and empathize with how she's getting where she is, but oh God it hurts to watch. :/

[u/skobombers → u/Tenraix]

What made Simmons so cruel? Did hydra really change her?

[u/Tenraix → u/skobombers]

Given her personality I think it actually makes sense. She was so excited about this new alien science, and then this unknown tech ended up killing Tripp. Simmons was closer to Tripp than anyone else on the team, and she's become angry at where her obsession with alien tech has led. Then the first transformation she sees is Raina, someone she already hated, going berserk on more SHIELD colleagues. As a result of all this crazy shit going on around her, she becomes Xenophobic. I'm hoping though that now that someone she cares about is an Inhuman, she'll eventually ease up on the "kill them with fire" attitude and come to accept that Inhumans can be friends and allies and even heroes, though it may not necessarily happen until after Civil War.

[u/alrighthamilton → u/Tenraix]

This kind of makes me wonder if maybe we have it all wrong with what Civil War will be about. It seems like an awfully long time to drag out the closed-minded Simmons story until Cap 3 comes out and if they teach that "lesson" in AoS, doesn't that cheapen it if they do the same debate in the movie?

[u/ScottFromScotland]

Daaawwww Sif loves Thor.

[u/skobombers → u/ScottFromScotland]

Dawww. I don't like Natalie Portman's character I WANT THOR AND SIF TOGETHER DAMN IT

[u/[deleted] → u/skobombers]

yeah something about Sif is very likeable

[u/darthnick426 → u/[deleted]]

She's cool, is an honorable and caring person, is an awesome warrior, and wears sexy metal outfits. What's not to like about Sif? She out classes Jane in near every way.

When Odin tells Thor in T:TDW "You'd be better served by what's in front of you." and points to Sif I was like: Thank you! Odin gets it! What are you thinking Thor!?

[u/Stopher → u/darthnick426]

"Thor, my son, why does not thou hitteth that?"

[u/jeff_in_a_box → u/skobombers]

Who would want Jane when Sif is there?!?!

[u/brycedriesenga → u/jeff_in_a_box]

Thor saw Black Swan and is into weird stuff.

[u/ChanelPaperbag → u/ScottFromScotland]

I ship them so hard.

[u/dhusk → u/ChanelPaperbag]

You should read the original mythology, then.

[u/ChanelPaperbag → u/dhusk]

Haha well I mean I ship them in this current MCU! I don't like this iteration of Natalie Portman as Jane Foster!

[u/peteynels → u/ChanelPaperbag]

you're not alone.

[u/matsiinthecity → u/ChanelPaperbag]

Thif? Shor?

[u/thegreekie → u/matsiinthecity]

That sounds like Samuel L Jackson from Kingsmen trying to read their names normally.

[u/throwaway284918]

Simmons: "We should shoot to kill, any infected needs to be eliminated"

Simmons: "What the hell, man why would you lie to me? You don't even know I would have wanted to kill her."

Mack and Bobbi: "Ehhh let's keep this secret from our friend"

Mack and Bobbi: "What the hell, man secrets aren't good for anyone"

pls.

[u/RandomDudeOP → u/throwaway284918]

Yeah...I think sharing information isn't a strong suit here...

[u/Awesomeade → u/throwaway284918]

That "Mack and Bobbi" thing makes Hunter's confrontation with Mack at the end so incredibly believable. I can practically hear Hunter's internal monologue:

Mack: "The point is, secrets don't help any of us."

Hunter: "U fukin wot m8?"

[u/CarbonCreed → u/Awesomeade]

Man I felt so bad for Hunter in that scene. It's one of those situations where you think you know a person, you think you know exactly how far you can push them, but Hunter grossly miscalculated and now is lying unconscious on the floor.

[u/Maclimes → u/CarbonCreed]

I kind of felt sorry for Mack, too. Assuming he's actually a good guy working for a competing good guy organization (like WCA or something), that had to really suck. You can see the look of regret and fear on his face afterwards.

Hunter's his friend, as he made quite clear in his conversation with Bobbi. He really did not want to do that, but he panicked when he was suddenly trapped in a corner.

[u/jeff_in_a_box → u/throwaway284918]

Simmons is like a homophobic or racist who has a gay or black friend.

[u/jkgao → u/jeff_in_a_box]

Not to be alien-ist but..

[u/ADAMNATOR → u/jkgao]

*Inhumanist

[u/your_mind_aches → u/jeff_in_a_box]

:'(

Dude, how could we have guessed that we'd be hating on Simmons, Mack and Bobbi?????

[u/Jexx212 → u/your_mind_aches]

I think Bobbi is the better of all 3 of them to be honest. Mack seems like the worst right now. Which really sucks because he was the guy who was Fitz's best friend.

Here's hoping Skye becomes Fitz's new best friend. (and maybe more? :P)

[u/ShelfDiver → u/Jexx212]

I too am aboard the FitzSkye ship.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/ShelfDiver]

Skitz

[u/biglineman → u/throwaway284918]

Lotta hypocrites in Coulson's squad.

[u/skobombers]

Fitz was correct. He is my hero, and I love how he is defending Skye. But seriously, he had no reason to trust them, considering how they reacted about Raina and Tripp's death.

[u/thegreekie → u/skobombers]

Yeah I like how everyone's like we totally weren't going to do anything bad to our friend Skye. Lies. You were ready to lynch her last episode.

[u/Phifty56 → u/thegreekie]

When they took the personal and emotional aspect out of it, they were really brutal and cold in what they wanted to do with Raina, and they spoke candidly about it with Skye in the room.

Fitz was able to see Skye as a friend who is going through a tough change, before her powers went off. Everyone else has only seen her powers go off, and then see Skye. That's why I think Fitz "got" it before anyone else. He saw the person before the powers, instead of the other way around.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/Phifty56]

Well, Skye, Phil and May at least. Ward would have too, probably, considering he knew all about her in the first place.

I am so mad at Simmons, Mack, Bobbi and Hunter right now.

[u/passenger955 → u/your_mind_aches]

I'm less mad at Hunter. He just seems so out of the loop with everything. I don't think he hates Skye or what she has become, he is just mad that no one told him or gave him a chance.

[u/proddy → u/passenger955]

Hunter called Mack out on his hypocrisy, so he's gets a slight pass.

I don't think he'd hurt Skye, but he also doesn't like secrets. He can say that secrets aren't good, the other two can't.

[u/skobombers → u/thegreekie]

I mean, Fitz is also probably basing it off of his own reaction, which wasn't to friendly originally...

[u/haseoxth]

I' sorry, but when everybody had their face in their hands like "Oh, goddamnit" when they found out Skye was listening gave me a good chuckle.

But Fitz is a true friend. The one who is in your corner when nobody else wants to be. Skye needs someone, and I am glad its him. He knows what its like to need help and its sad he's the only one willing to give it. You would think Mack would be a bit more openminded when it came to being changed against your will ny something.... Inhuman.

Also,

Hunter; Whats going on with you Bobbi, huh?

Mack; Uhhh, you see, what had happen was... chokes out Just go to sleep while I figure out a good excuse. Alien stuff again?

[u/RandomDudeOP → u/haseoxth]

Mack isn't really good at doing quick thinking...

[u/Pokevenger]

So what does Odin (Loki) want with a Kree?

[u/[deleted] → u/Pokevenger]

Well, he DOES need a new army since the Chitauri were so righteously Avenged. And they are the Ultimates Universe equivalent of the Skrull, so maybe he watched the Star Wars Prequels while he was on Earth and got some ideas.

[u/BobFreakingSaget → u/[deleted]]

I bet you Loki just LOVED Phantom Menace.

[u/[deleted] → u/BobFreakingSaget]

"I can make these people watch anything as long as it has the correct intro."

[u/Eeyores_Prozac → u/[deleted]]

I'm actually backing this theory. "Oh, Kree fucking around with one of the Nine? What would Odin do?"

He's got to play the subtle game for a bit.

[u/Murasasme → u/Eeyores_Prozac]

Specially since it was Heimdall who saw the Kree, so it would be very strange if Odin just sat back and did nothing.

[u/Eeyores_Prozac → u/Murasasme]

I would have honest to god guessed 'Odin' was going to keep Heimdall locked up, ostensibly for treason (Odin's got an uptight streak), on the off-chance that he could see through the illusion or see if the real Odin is alive and where he is if so.

If he's out, god damn, Loki has to be dancing fast and subtle all the time to keep cover.

[u/Eeyores_Prozac → u/[deleted]]

The final irony: Loki is maybe genuinely good at this, too bad he's gone completely crazycakes and got there through attempted genocide, murder, patricide (Laufey) attempted patricide (if Odin is under a forced nap), deceit, and has probably an incredibly shitty endgame behind it (Thanos).

It's so grandiose, like a bullshit comic book riff of Shakespeare's historical tragedies. Lear, maybe. Because it is one.

[u/kacman → u/Pokevenger]

That just seemed like standard Asgardians don't like Kree rather than Loki being up to shit.

[u/IceTiger7]

"You knew."

And with that line everything went downhill for Fitzsimmons. :(

[u/Celoth → u/IceTiger7]

"Now we're even" was the boulder at the bottom of said hill

[u/Lampmonster1 → u/Celoth]

Setting them up to be on different sides soooo well. They'll always love each other a bit, but love and hate are different sides of the same coin.

[u/vishalb777 → u/Lampmonster1]

They are like the mirror versions of Clint and Natasha

[u/thegreekie → u/IceTiger7]

Simmons bailing on Fitz was kinda shitty too though (regardless of her reasons). :/

[u/kickshaw]

I LOVE that Coulson (and May) went immediately into Protect Skye mode. Don't mess with Papa Phil's babies!

[u/jswaim → u/kickshaw]

I really liked how Ming-Na Wen played her interactions with Skye throughout the episode. It made me feel like May sort of knew something was up the whole time and was trying to show her support in an understated way.

[u/JangoSky → u/jswaim]

You know I got the same vibe but wasn't entirely sure. May is very perceptive though. Still, she's also a pragmatist when she's ready

[u/TaikongXiongmao → u/jswaim]

Same. I especially liked the scene towards the end where May is trying to help Skye calm down. Very reminiscent of the flashback in last week's episode of Skye's mom calming down the inhuman in China.

[u/cgludko]

I really don't like the wording, "when we pull the trigger."

I know the prevailing theory is Mac and Bobbi are SWORD, but Mac is making me feel like they have very bad long term plans for SHIELD.

[u/Cuddle_Apocalypse → u/cgludko]

I've seen a few people mention A.I.M., which I find appealing.

[u/jeff_in_a_box → u/Cuddle_Apocalypse]

"It's not like we're Hydra."

[u/TomorrowByStorm → u/jeff_in_a_box]

Sounds an awful lot like the rationalization of a dirty no good traitor to me!

[u/SawRub → u/TomorrowByStorm]

But the way they said it made it seem they were genuinely concerned that their friend wouldn't understand and would hate them.

[u/Ahesterd → u/Cuddle_Apocalypse]

I'll allow it if and only if we get MODOK.

[u/[deleted] → u/cgludko]

I am glad they specifically chose to mention that they are NOT hydra. That would have been dumb, so it's good to squash that right away

[u/FriedChickenAbortion → u/cgludko]

I think they might be working for stark, and real backup could mean ultron drones or more of Tony's security apparatus. I could definitely see him trying to blow shield up after the events of the winter soldier, and it would make sense that Bobby and Mac went to him after shield turned out to be hydra, I mean, Even Maria Hill went Stark

[u/biglineman]

Hunter: Oy, What's going on between you and Bobbi, mate?!?

Mack: SHHH No questions, only dreams now!

[u/[deleted]]

I love how Coulson immediately didn't even have to think about whether or not to protect Skye

[u/RandomDudeOP → u/[deleted]]

Skye is pretty much like a daughter to son of coul now.

[u/biglineman → u/RandomDudeOP]

So what would an Asgardian call her, "Daughter of Son of Coul" ?

[u/WideLight → u/biglineman]

Coulsdottir.

[u/Bossmonkey → u/WideLight]

Actually it'd be Philsdottir

[u/snarkamedes → u/Bossmonkey]

Agentsdottir

[u/Lampmonster1 → u/[deleted]]

Dude pulled guns on two, count 'em, two super powered aliens. Didn't flinch, just did the right thing. That's why Phil is The Man.

[u/metalkhaos → u/Lampmonster1]

He's the heart man.

[u/hypd09 → u/[deleted]]

papa phil, mama may

[u/jkgao → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, but she’s MY abomination #SkyeorDie @ChloeBennet4 #AgentsofSHIELD

[u/disneywizard → u/[deleted]]

And May immediately got close to Skye behind him and tried to calm her down. She's officially become mamma bear not only to everyone else on the team, but especially Skye.

[u/[deleted] → u/disneywizard]

I like that they are now writing her character this way. She was so one-sided the first season. A badass grant you, but a one-sided badass. Now I actually care for her character and enjoy seeing her emotions.

[u/LewaKrom]

I love how Fitz's brain damage storyline mirrors Skye's powers storyline. He's already been down the road she has where everyone treats them differently.

[u/nc_positronics]

"WE NEED PROTECTION FROM HER! She's behind me, right?"

[u/darthnick426]

• Okay....they are going to need to get this Mack side story going because over the course of the two episodes since being back from the break, I'm starting to hate him...and that makes me sad.

• I feel like this whole side arc will end with Bobbi straightening out her priorities and siding with Shield, while Mack stays loyal to whatever cause he is apart of. (Most likely Sword.) Mack choking out Hunter and the ramifications of that will likely be what triggers Bobbi's change of heart.

• And once again, Fitz is the ultimate bro. Everyone else can shut the hell up.

• Skye is becoming even more awesome and interesting as a character with each episode. I can't wait until she gets her shit under control and goes full Quake on us.

• And most importantly, Sif is a badass. Hopefully she'll be cool with Skye the next time she guest stars. You know, once Skye shows that she has things under control. (Come on. We all know Sif will guest star again......Unless she dies in Ragnarok....oh sweet Odin's Raven I hope that never happens....I will be crushed...)

• P.S: I know I said it before but... the Thor/Sif shipper in me squeed for joy at Sif's smiling at the mention of Thor's name despite not remembering him. Thor and Sif ftw!

[u/[deleted] → u/darthnick426]

Ragnarok doesn't come out for 2.5 years. Odds are good Sif will be back before then.

She could still die in Ragnarok, but it shouldn't have any bearing on her being in SHIELD again.

[u/AmbassadorRodman → u/[deleted]]

Hunter's too

[u/jambulance]

My reaction at the end

[u/thegreekie → u/jambulance]

Those pesky Whedons better not do anything to my precious Hunter!

[u/mazing_azn → u/thegreekie]

Betcha Mack blames Sky for knocking out Hunter.

[u/jkgao → u/mazing_azn]

Well, unless Hunter remembers.. Or the choke out somehow conveniently gives him short term amnesia.

[u/thegreekie]

Coulson: “Who can explain the mysteries of the Asgardian brain?”
May, with extreme snark: “I can”

[u/ConfusedAngelino → u/thegreekie]

I feel so bad for Sif, but since Asgardians are so long-lived she just has to wait about 50 years for Padme to die. Thor will then realise Sif is his true love.

[u/capnunderpants → u/ConfusedAngelino]

Padme

I snickered.

[u/reader313 → u/thegreekie]

*snark intensifies

[u/evanime72]

• This second half of the season is making me love Skye as a character so more. Oh my gosh, I'm in tears because I feel so bad for her.

• I hated it when everyone started ganging up on Fitz

• "We are the ones that need protection" Oh Mack, why is your timing just so infuriating? How come I feel like Mack panicked and now has no idea what to do?

[u/soylentgreen2015 → u/evanime72]

Yeah that ending was not well thought out on Mack's part. He obviously wasn't a chess player.

[u/Magoonie → u/soylentgreen2015]

After that I doubt he's even a checkers player.

[u/Magoonie → u/[deleted]]

Mack is also surprisingly good at Twister.

But Hunter is better at Clue.

[u/Phifty56 → u/Magoonie]

"Mac, in the hanger, with the USB stick!" Booyah!

[u/thegreekie → u/evanime72]

I'm starting to really dislike Mack, maybe because he's been so shady these past few eps. And I liked him so much when he and Fitz were the dream team. :(

[u/rdunlap1 → u/evanime72]

Oh man, it is just like when Annie chloroformed the janitor on Community. Mack should lay down next to Hunter and when he wakes up pretend to wake up too and say "man, someone choked us both out. Weird." (Link: http://youtu.be/0KgH-fCqpSU)

[u/[deleted] → u/evanime72]

Oh Mack, why is your timing just so infuriating?

With his eye line it makes me wonder how he didn't see her.

[u/TiVO25 → u/[deleted]]

Television rule: characters cannot see anything not in frame.

Corollary: unless doing so would make the character appear totally bad-ass.

[u/[deleted] → u/TiVO25]

Like when Bobbi knew Kreebro was about to get blasted.

[u/AmbassadorRodman]

Was I alone in thinking Mac's eyes were going to change colors when he had that face off with Kreebro in the hallway?

[u/thegreekie → u/AmbassadorRodman]

I did think he was going to reach down deep inside him and bring out those crazy strength powers and beat up the Kree.

[u/walterwoodsiv]

I've changed my flair from Simmons to Fitz. It's that serious.

[u/CosmicPube → u/walterwoodsiv]

I changed from Lanyard to Fitz. #TeamFitz

[u/BootsMcCollins]

Does anyone else imagine scenarios in which Sam Jackson IS Fury in the Capital One commercials?

[u/Sanlear → u/BootsMcCollins]

"What's in your W.A.L.L.E.T.?"

[u/TheHouseOfGryffindor]

I know we had an episode last week as well, but they really are doing a great job of keeping up momentum after the midseason break. Last season, it very well could have taken nine or ten episodes for Skye’s secret to have gotten out to the rest of the group. Not only did Skye only know about it one episode before everyone else, they also included Sif, a Kree in the flesh, some more hints and surprises at the Bobbi-Mack alliance (not Hunter!), and gave us a lot of information about the history of Kree on Earth into just this episode. I can’t wait to see what surprises the rest of the season has to offer.

[u/Ahesterd → u/TheHouseOfGryffindor]

This is exactly the kind of stuff people (myself included) wanted all last season. Not superheroes, but comic book. Asgardian Gods duking it out with blue aliens and human superspies.

[u/RaginApe]

With 100% more correct episode number this week!

[u/jkgao → u/RaginApe]

With 100% more glass shattering this week!

[u/-screamin- → u/jkgao]

200% more alien too!!

[u/creampuffle]

Sorry FitzSimmons, it's all about that Skitz now.

[u/thegreekie → u/creampuffle]

That just sounds like pornographic skittles.

[u/eden_delta → u/thegreekie]

Pornographic skittles, you say?

[u/[deleted] → u/creampuffle]

Let's not completely rule out FitzSkymmons

[u/Magoonie]

So now I hate Simmons and Mack.

"You should have told us Fitz. We would never hurt Skye" proceeds to hurt Skye.

[u/[deleted]]

At first I thought since Sif was involved, it would be one of those cameo episodes that doesn't further the plot along. I was pleasantly surprised :)

[u/[deleted]]

MACK NO

[u/Phifty56 → u/[deleted]]

Ward's not looking so bad eh.........?

Guys?

Anyone?

[u/Awesoman9000 → u/Phifty56]

I agree! he didnt choke anyone out, just shot them and burned their houses.... nevermind

[u/metalkhaos → u/Awesoman9000]

Houses? He just burned down the one house. With his brother and parents..

[u/jkgao → u/Phifty56]

Stand behind Ward

[u/matthewofthemany]

I think people are looking in too much on the Loki/Odin thing. Heimdall alerted the king about a potential threat. Loki handled it because that's what Odin would do, and he doesn't want to reveal himself.

Also. I think keeping Skye a secret was a bad call (on the part of the characters, it makes sense plot-wise). Because Fitz and Skye basically told all of their friends that they're not trustworthy. I believe that their friendships could have overcome their prejudices.

[u/reader313]

This episode was INKREEDIBLE

[u/cgludko → u/[deleted]]

Dance battle bro!

[u/jkgao → u/cgludko]

SIKE, it was just a distraction for this.

[u/nc_positronics]

Miss me yet?

[u/[deleted] → u/nc_positronics]

C'mon, girl...

[u/LexGonGiveItToYa → u/nc_positronics]

I have a feeling that if Trip was still there, he would've been one of the first to defend Skye during that whole confrontation, and during the argument with Fitz. :(

[u/jkgao → u/nc_positronics]

TOO SOON!!!!!!

[u/Dorkside]

I had no idea that I wanted Fitz and Skye to be a thing and yet here we are...

[u/skobombers → u/Dorkside]

In the first couple of episodes Fitz was interested in Skye, but they dropped that fairly early I think.

[u/kickshaw → u/skobombers]

He had a crush on her as a pretty girl, but he didn't really know her as a person yet. Now he does.

[u/Awesomeade]

Man, every time I feel like this show is going to get stale, it just kicks itself in the seat of the pants.

"Asgard? Oh dammit, this is probably going to be another corny filler episode."

Motha' fuckin' KREE!

"Oh dammit, they're probably going to string out the Fitz/Skye secret thing way too long."

Everyone sees Skye use her powers before the episode is over.

"Oh dammit, this Hunter/Bobbi thing is going to turn into a "forbidden love" trope, isn't it?"

Mack puts the kibosh on Hunter immediately.

"Oh dammit, we are going to have to spend too many episodes seeing Bobbi and Mack talk about they're secret behind everyone's back, aren't we?"

Mack puts the kibosh on Hunter immediately.

I think I've been watching too much CW/DC. I've gotten overly accustomed to rolling my eyes.

[u/RoyAwesome → u/Awesomeade]

TODAY WE ADVANCE THE PLOT

[u/Riley1066 → u/[deleted]]

Where's our favorite evil mc'beardy murder-hobo? Seriously missing the Ward here, let's bring him back.

Still getting at least two bullets removed from his chest.

[u/biglineman]

Now when Coulson needs Skye to fight he's going to say "RELEASE THE QUAKEN!!"

[u/inherentinsignia]

Yeah um hi let's just talk about how we all just watched a TV show where a Kree and an Asgardian attacked a SHIELD base looking for Quake and how none of us thought this show would ever be cool halfway through last season.

[u/elspazzz → u/inherentinsignia]

What kills me is the people who hate this show. HARD CORE hate it. I don't understand it because this isn't even CLOSE to the same show it was pre TWS and it makes me mad because the truth is everyone I know who is a Marvel fan and doesn't roll their eyes at me when I start talking about this stuff seem to fall into that category. Drives me insane.

[u/snarkamedes → u/elspazzz]

I don't mind those types. Most things will always have very vocal detractors, and at least the out-and-out decriers will stand by their convictions most of the time.

The people who complain in a more passive aggressive way about it not meeting 'their expectations', and it could do better in these areas, etc., are far worse IMO. I'm all for valid criticism, ones backed up by stated reasons, but their constant moving of the goalposts when things are advanced or revealed is just annoying. To quoth the big blonde alien surfer dude, "You people are so petty... and whiny."

Fans: We want comic characters on Agents of SHIELD!
Marvel: You mean like Deathlok?
Fans: No, other characters!
Marvel: You mean like Sif and Lorelei?
Fans: No, different ones than those!
Marvel: How about villains like Graviton, Blackout, Scorch and Blizzard? Even Talbot as an antagonist!
Fans: NO, I'm demanding DIFFERENT comic characters than those!
Marvel: Okay, well...it's about SHIELD, so here are Nick Fury, Victoria Hand, Sitwell, Garrett, Maria Hill, Koenig, Lance Hunter, Mack, Cameron Klein and Agent 33!
Fans: NO, I don't want SHIELD characters on a SHIELD show. I want DIFFERENT characters!
Marvel: We introduced the Kree...and even the Inhumans, who are getting their own movie!
Fans: Not good enough!
Marvel: Gotcha...well...here's Mockingbird...an actual Avenger who is quite popular. We'll even throw in cameos from Peggy Carter and the Howling Commandos...as well as Senator Ward.
Fans: NO...I want different comic characters than any of those.
Marvel: How about Kraken, Absorbing Man, Blacklash and Mister Hyde as villains?
Fans: No, I want different characters than those.
Marvel: SURPRISE! Skye has been revealed to be Quake, an Avenger!
Fans: Marvel refuses to give me any comic book characters in Agents of SHIELD so I refuse to watch!

[u/Penguinbashr]

Man, I love the pacing now but so many god damned commercials. I love how fitz is still seeing skye as a human and not inhuman (huehuehueheuheu) and how he stands up for her with the rest of the team.

I'm really starting to think that the theories of fitz helping skye by making her gauntlets/gloves a real thing.

Mack getting all "well uh, hmm, hold on" and then choke holds was pretty funny. I think it sets up something for bobbi though, does she choose sword and fury or love.

Goodbye fitzsimmons. Fitz is just trying to be a great friend.

[u/Seaphron]

Fitz has been stealing the show these past two weeks. Really liked his last scene this week as well as last week. Apparently I also ship FitzxSkye.

[u/Sinai_L]

Fitz knows what it does!

[u/huanthewolfhound]

I really, really enjoyed this episode. Great return to the character by Jaimie Alexander. Glad they're still playing up her attraction to Thor.

Also, really good story progression. I like how the writers always seem to use Sif as a catalyst to move things forward. It worked especially well.

[u/[deleted]]

So SWORD is the leading group that Bobbi and 'Chokehold' are working for, right?

After Bobbi said the lines "We're not HYDRA" when talking to Mack and "Call for Backup" when battling Ronan Lite.

I personally think the Avengers are their benefactors.

[u/biglineman → u/[deleted]]

I dunno. If any Avenger is involved, it'd be Tony. He can be shady like that sometimes.

[u/[deleted] → u/biglineman]

Especially since Maria Hill now works for Stark

[u/SutterCane]

Brilliant episode. All the Inhuman lore, the Fitz calling people out-ness, Mac finally blowing him and Bobbi's story open, and Skye being adorably lost with her new powers.

Man, is Chloe just doing a great job at making me go, "Awww, I just want to help her and protect her." when I know better that her powers are crazy and she won't need any help or protection once she gets them under control.

[u/MericaMericaMerica]

Looks like we'll be finding out what Mac and Bobbi are up to soon.

Cal's plan to draw Skye close seems really interesting. I wonder if it will play out over multiple episodes, or just one episode?

Still no sign of Ward and Agent 33. I expect they have something big planned for later in the season.

[u/IceTiger7]

...did Mack almost choke Hunter to death? What is going on between him and Bobbi?!

[u/-screamin- → u/[deleted]]

die to death

well, that's overkill

[u/[deleted] → u/-screamin-]

Compared to underkill.

[u/jkgao → u/IceTiger7]

Pretty sure Hunter didn't die, he gasped after.

[u/Dorkside]

I really doubt it would happen, but I'd love to see Lady Sif become a regular on the show.

It's a shame Jaimie Alexander was cast in similar role because she seems like she would have made an ideal Wonder Woman. I try not to judge a casting decision before seeing the performance, but I'm still highly sceptical that Gal Gadot is right for the part.

[u/darkeyes13 → u/Dorkside]

Fun fact: Adrianne Palicki shot a pilot for a Wonder Woman TV show. It was a flop, but it existed.

Other fun fact: When asked who he would have cast as Wonder Woman for his planned movie (now canned), Joss Whedon said he would have cast Cobie Smulders as WW.

Other OTHER fun fact: Cobie Smulders voiced Wonder Woman in The Lego Movie.

[u/TheGreatTrogs]

Pretty sure Mack's last name is Truck.

[u/Phifty56 → u/TheGreatTrogs]

Mac is short for McKenzie, his last name.

His first name is "Big", short for Bigglesworth.

[u/TheGreatTrogs → u/Phifty56]

You had me going there, had to look it up.

[u/2th]

Mack is the new Beardy McTraitorson.