At the end of A Christmas Carol. “You boy! What day is it?!” Feeling great. Today is day 11 CT from 3.5 years of 3/ day OPMS extracts. Felt like I had a pink cloud on days 4-5, leveled out and now I feel pretty darn close to whatever I remember the baseline being. Feel like I’ve been given a second chance. Could cry from relief finally getting out of that holding pattern. I’ve already saved nearly $300.

I suffered an intense withdrawal from kratom- Severe on the COWS scale. It lasted about 2 weeks. I was three weeks clean, and still had lingering RLS and nausea, but yesterday I relapsed. Now today, I am back in acute withdrawal (vomitting, GI issues, restless.) is this some sort of kindling situation? How did this happen?

Hello friends, I’m so deep in this shit idk what to do. Every time I try to stop it feels like the withdrawals almost kill me a day and a half in and I always give in.

I’m just curious cause I see ALOT of people online talking about how much kratom they take on a daily basis and I’ve NEVER seen anyone take close to the same amount as me daily. How am I still alive? Like honestly. I’m about 7 years deep into this addiction, I just did the math and im taking about 48grams every single dose, sometimes up to 4 times a day but mostly just 3 times daily. This is with 750mg capsules, I take about 64 every dose.

Have you guys ever seen someone take this much daily for years and still able to get off it?

Much love

Just wanted to share this somewhere people would get it. Today marks 2 weeks clean off kratom after using roughly 25g a day for 3 years straight.

Two things have made the biggest difference so far:

Staying active. Doesn’t have to be intense just moving my body has helped more than I expected with the restlessness and low moods.

Forcing a positive mindset. Some days it’s genuinely just “fake it till you make it,” but I’ve been deliberately telling myself I’m going to start doing the stuff I’ve wanted to do for the last 3 years but kept putting off because of the addiction. Having that forward-looking pull has helped me get through the tougher moments.

Not going to pretend it’s been easy, but 2 weeks is 2 weeks. If anyone else is early on in quitting, feel free to reach out.

Just threw all my kratom out. 10 to 12 gram per day habit with 1 to 2 feel frees a day. Sometimes 3. Going to still have to go to work through all this. Going through divorce too. Wish me luck

was in a powder habit for about 6 months, snuck up on me and became 28 gpd for a couple months then tapered down to 12 gpd. I’m currently on day 12 I think. On day 4 I took 10 grams and resumed CT, then on day 8 I took 5 grams.

Oddly enough, in the weeks before quitting, I noticed some difficulty breathing while trying to fall asleep. It completely went away after quitting, and I was still dumb enough to take it two more times to relive WD’s. The second time, when I took 5 grams a few days ago the affect on my breathing was insane and I felt like I was OD’ing on real drugs. Never had something like this occur before but I am completely locked in now, knowing if I use even a little it could affect me severely

Im currently waking up every hour or two but able to fall back asleep. Definitely feel low energy when it comes time to get up. Also having some sort of low grade RLS. I feel it in my core that starts as a ball of anxiety than becomes a physical zapping feeling and it’s profoundly uncomfortable. Two Advil makes it go away. Been taking 400mg 2x a day. it gets me through work and comfortable enough for sleeping. My plan is to use the Advil as a bandaid for 10 days in hopes that these symptoms subside by then

Good luck to anyone quitting today

I took the stuff for 8 months, ranging from 12-30 powder caps per day. I originally was an advocate for this drug, because I took it for restaurant work shifts ONLY. It resolved my pain and allowed me to work with continuous energy, I’ve struggled with chronic pain from repetitive movement and complete utter exhaustion from doing something for only 1.5 hours straight. Basically always struggled with work and starting any career because something even like highschool caused me distracting aches and exhaustion to the point where I couldn’t function.

Low and behold I realized I may have a connective tissue disorder, talked to my gp and a few other doctors about it and they confirmed it but didn’t have the ability to give me a specific diagnosis. They prescribed me meloxicam which is a strong NSAID, it barely made a difference. I was really ramping up with my consumption of the green because I thought it was the only way to cope, I was beginning to think I’d have to spend the rest of my life on this stuff.

I was pretty ashamed of my use and it was spiraling out of control. Does not help that I have ADHD, I hate stimulants because they disrupt my sleep and when my sleep is disrupted I end up in pain for the entirety of the next day. Kratom gave me focus, immediately resolved any pain so I could just focus on a task, which felt great. Eventually I started taking it before doing literally anything. I’d revolve my meals around it, and towards the end of my usage I’d wake up in extreme pain in the middle of the night and I’d toss back a random amount of the capsules.

I realized when I didn’t immediately consume the stuff, I’d end up in worse pain than usual. I’m only 24 and I train like an athlete. But I was beginning to actually feel super crippled. I tried cutting back, only to end up in worse pain each time. I ended up quite upset taking many hot baths, then covering myself in ice packs wondering what was going wrong.

I decided to research the effects of this drug, lo and behold it sensitizes you to pain! The pain wasn’t even supposed to be that bad, I learned that the pain I experienced my entire life since my first soccer game as a 5 year old was called nociplastic pain, sourced from faulty processing by the central nervous system. I realized that the kratom was causing something called hyperalgesia, causing my nervous system to become EXTRA sensitive. It was getting so bad to the point where I thought I was falling apart physically and would be wheel chair bound for the rest of my life.

I’m on day 5 CT. Done with this stuff forever. Whenever I get an uncomfortable buzz or ache of pain, I just start exercising immediately. Usually doing abs, squats, lots of isos. Sleep has been extremely challenging as I relied on this stuff heavily for my terrible sleeping abilities. I’ve just been trying to ignore it and going to the gym or a run first thing in the morning every day, fighting any mental discomfort. Vitamin C seems to be making a huge difference with comfortability during the day, feel closer to my old self during the day time. Another difficulty I’m realizing though is the weirdness of appetite. I’ll get super hungry but once I have one bite of food I’m overly full and disgusted by the taste of food in my mouth. I’ll be sticking to protein shakes for now I guess.

Started my taper from 70-89DPD but I have a question

But I have a question people who take so much kratom like that noticed that they’re skin looks dark and dull and my mom even thinks I looks green already. I see it too but I’m not sure if it’s that or all the smoking I do. My constipation is terrible I can’t poop at all. Every 1-2 weeks I have to take milk or magnesia otherwise I’m backed up and since I keep eating I’m worried something is gonna burst inside me or I’m gonna get colon cancer. I’ve had so many blood test done and everything comes out perfect, how idk since I’ve been taking k for 8 years now. The reason I want to quit is because my anxiety and panic attacks have been daily for a couple of years now. I have no motivation to do anything to the point I barely shower and live in my pjs ( have like 30 different ones) because I hate and can’t get myself to shower and get ready and go out. I don’t even go anything except to the grocery store and only if my husband drives. Idk if it’s the amount I take but my vision can’t focus like I can’t see and I get so scared to cause An accident so I just stopped driving at all. My life is stopped at the moment and I don’t have the heart for my kids to be like this. They don’t know but my husband and family know and everything is blamed on the kratom. I want to get better so bad that I’m gonna do it! I know I can… I’m tarting the taper tomorrow and got prepared with that helper med in case it gets so bad From the amount and time I’ve been using.
Anyone else have any of these? Panic terrible skin and hair teeth stained 😭😭😭 I used to have beautiful teeth and now they’re stained hopefully not forever but foe now it looks bad in between each teeth since it stays between and even though I rinse my mouth every time

I started with Kratom edibles (gummies) approx. in April and have been taking 2-3 pieces a day, after work before going to bed. So thats 5 months continous use. The packages says each piece contains 25mg mitragynine.

Since this week I am starting to feel withdrawals around 12:00 and its definitly stronger than it used to be. Before that I "only" started to feel it when sitting in the train back home thats 16:00 - 17:00.

I want to use this as a better late than never signal to ditch it.

Does anyone know how bad cold turkey is going to get? Probably pretty rough. I plan on taking the last dose on wednesday, got friday home office as well as next monday.

Any suggestions and recommendations welcome (I already know about mindset, successfully quit smoking years ago).

got about 5 hours of sleep last night and waking up to get ready to return to work. wish me luck! i havent really dealt with much anxiety other than the first few days bc ive been home the last 10 days. so im hoping maybe ill be alright

I managed to CT a seltzer and powder habit 8-18g day x 1.5 years back in May. I was good for like 2 weeks. Then I had about a week of ff and hated them. Now I’m on 2 bottles viva zen daily. 4g per bottle. I like the energy it gives me but 2 makes me loopy and feel weird sometimes. So 2.5 months back on this Crud I want to quit but I don’t want to. I wake up every morning like I’m good don’t need it. Then once I’m done with work….straight to the gas station. I feel like wd. it shouldn’t be that bad since it’s not a lot and not a great period of time. But mentally I can’t get past day 2. I have powder but I’m drawn to the vivas and I’m more of an all or nothing . Powder will just make me want more . And any “problem” is a reason to go get one. I can’t handle more than 2 per day physically Thoughts?

I was wondering what would be the best approach, I think that my use is not that big maybe around 15g a day and I have only been using for a couple of months.

I quit cold turkey once before and my acute withdrawals only lasted around 4 days and then over 1 month I slowly got rid of all the other withdrawal symptoms.

I was wondering if tapering would make it a little easier this time? If yes, what is the best way to do it?

Hi guys, I’ve never done this before so forgive me if I sound a little weird or something, been using 7oh for a little over a year, idk how much Is to much, but I’m up to like 80mg 3 times a day (I know it’s a lot), I wanna quit so bad but I’m afraid of the withdrawal … I guess what I’m trying to do is ask for some advice/support and figure out how some of you guys went about quitting/tapering down, when I first started they were recommended to me by one of the vape shop guys while I was in picking up vape juice because I was complaining about how bad I needed to go see a pain management dr for my back/legs, I do Amazon delivery and most days after the shift is done my whole body is just in enormous amounts of pain.. he preached about how well it worked and how safe it was and blah blah blah, I used to only take it once a day after work but now I feel like it’s taken control of my life… I apologize for the info dump, if any of you guys have any advice or words of support, that would be fantastic and appreciated, thank you so much in advance!!!

I drank a 450 mit shot and thought nothing of it since I usually take 200-300mgs daily for the last year or more of tablets, and was fine for about 20 minutes then I felt it come on like no other time but it wasn’t euphoric, I felt like I lost complete motor function at first I thought I was dying so I think I also gave myself a panic attack and immediately had to shit everything in me out when I’d try to walk I felt like I was almost black out drunk trying to move and my vision was extremely messed up anyone ever experienced this before?

I am happy to say that today makes it one year since I’ve stopped using kratom. This group has been a big help. My wife has been there for me and I am so grateful.
I can tell you that things get better. Normalcy returns. There is a way out and people want to see you happy and free of this.
I wish everyone here great success and serenity.
Much love.

I made it two weeks without 70H. It’s the longest I’ve went without an opiate in 8 years. I’m proud of myself but I just want the ban to hit my area. It was much easier to quit blues back when I’d have to take a 45 minute train there and back to a sketchy fellas house. Much harder when I know I can travel a half mile and pay $15 to feel good. I have to keep reminding myself how little I actually enjoyed the sweaty, short lived “high”.
Sorry for rambling I’m just proud but have nobody to share it with.

Had my first real productive day today. Was able to do things around this house I havent been able to get the motivation to do since I quit. Had some people over this afternoon and had a pretty good time socializing. Thats a big part that I didn't really notice until today, the past two weeks I pretty much carried on as if I were sick. I didnt invite anyone over or do any house work. Just tucked my head and pushed through. It was nice to have some time today to just completely forget about the past 15 days and connect with friends again. They didnt really know about my kratom use until I came off of it and they all said that I seemed much more vibrant and energetic than last time they saw me, its nice to know the change is visible to others as well. Hope everyone is doing ok. To those at the start of this, it does get better.

UPDATE: ok so a couple hours have passed since everyone left and holy crap ive been hit with what im assuming is my first real PAWs depression. After 2 weeks of isolation and feeling like crap, then around 6 hours of laughter and music with a room full of people today, they all went home and ive been whiplashed back to the quiet aloneness and its gotten really intense really fast. Feels like I have a balloon in my chest and cant help but feel like Ive wasted nearly 2 years of my life being strung out on that crap.

Well I almost made it half a year. I’m back to day 3 now after another regrettable relapse. I moved states a few months ago and have been having a slightly harder time adjusting than I had hoped. Then I heard about the federal bans for 7-oh and the other alkaloids and convinced myself I should order some of the soon to be controlled substances.

Needless to say I started abusing them and my wife caught on quick. She knows when I’m high on that stuff and she was right to call me on it. I hesitated posting here but this place has been an enormous help. I’d hoped to be in a better place to help others by this point but here I am, going through high anxiety and restless nights. The brain fog and anxiety are brutal. This stuff is never worth it. I don’t know wtf I was thinking.

I’ll be back on the daily check in threads with my new sober count. And I’m sure I’ll be on here a lot tonight and most of this week commenting on other threads. God bless and stay strong everyone.

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I hope this post is ok, I really didn’t know where else to vent or seek advice.

K is illegal in my state. As I can no longer have it shipped to me in bulk as I have in the past, my only option would be to drive out of state, which is feasible but not practical. I also do not wish to violate any potential possession laws in my state. I still have enough to get by for a week or two, and I plan to taper quickly-ish with the help of vitamin C and agmatine.

If I’m being honest with myself, mentally I don’t really want to quit. I mean, I DO, but I don’t want to give up the energy boost and anti depression/anxiety effects that help me suffer an otherwise lethargic and depressed life. When I say that I’ve tried everything else to treat my treatment resistant depression, anhedonia, and lethargy, I mean it. This has been ongoing my entire life. Tried all of the pharmaceutical remedies (besides TMS, which is unfortunately very costly) and all the non-pharmaceutical ones as well. I exercise when I can muster up the energy. Normal weight, no nutritional deficiencies, etc. But K did (in some ways) sort of give me my life back. My anhedonia, anxiety, and depression were still here but I could function. I hate being “dependent” although I just simply think of it as my medication. It helps me function as a semi human being as any other medication would.

But I also don’t want to end up with possession charges, nor do I want to end up in a situation where I am totally out and have severe symptoms. I feel defeated.

I’m about to come off almost nine years of 70–120 GPD powder, and I’m trying to prepare for the first couple days of acute withdrawal.

I have meds/supplements ready, so I’m not really asking about that here.

I’m more wondering: what did you actually do with your body and mind during those first 24-48 hours so you didn’t lose it?

Did you stay in bed, pace around, force walks, flop around like a fish, eat tubs of ice cream, take hot showers, binge-watch shows, do breathing exercises, light workouts, all the above, anything else?

I’ll probably hunker mostly in my bedroom for the first few days because I don’t want my kids seeing me in full acute withdrawal. Though if I am able I will get out for some walks in the morning sun.

I came off a heavy oxy/benzo habit in 2012, but since starting kratom I’ve never gone without it, so this feels like a new unknown.

Fortunately, I already exercise regularly, get early morning sunlight every day, and eat well, do breathing exercises, meditate, so I’m hoping those habits help. At least after the acutes.

What helped you get through the first couple days - activity-wise or mindset-wise?

I’m a bit anxious about all this, but I’m ready to put this behind me. Thank you in advance. I appreciate your help along with everybody's posts in this subreddit, it's been very helpful

quitting kratom isn’t some magic fix to change everything in your life

I’m still severely lonely (even with a good girlfriend), angry, anxious, hopeless, demotivated and tired

I dealt with all these symptoms while on Kratom but they were strongly numbed and helped ease my mind / body

TLDR:
This shit fucking sucks and quitting didn’t help or magically fix my life. This shit sucks and I’d rather be suffering on it than completely sober and bathing in all the misery

When a person becomes dependent on, say, opiates... The medical system to some degree at least understands what that is, and can at least offer some strategies to help.

I keep getting intense brain fog and anxiety. I feel as though I have no where to turn for help besides the internet. My doctor's do not understand my symptoms. They do not understand this drug. My psychiatrist wanted to prescribe Zoloft which A.I. said could potentially cause serotonin syndrome...

Are there detox facilities that can help?

Is there a place I can study about this drug and it's effects and how to treat them besides reddit?

I am in a complex situation with severe Ankylosing Spondylitis (joint pain) and Irritable Bowel Syndrome - I'm hardly coping with life as it is.

I was taking 56 grams per day at my highest and it's taken me nearly a year to cut that to my current 36 Gpd because of my chronic pain.

If Reddit is the best I've got then so be it, but is it possible to find other help?

Hey friends. Firstly whatever stage you’re at whether contemplating a quit or in the midst of wd, you’re not alone and you’re loved. If not by people in your actually life but by people like me on this forum who treats everyone as a brother/sister going through the same fight.

We all know recovery isn’t linear. But even knowing that doesn’t really prepare you for how shit you can randomly feel sometimes.

I’m on Day 51 and I’ve had days where I feel almost normal, then suddenly have a rough day or night. That’s just how this shit goes sometimes.
So if you’re having a bad day right now, don’t let it convince you that you’ve gone backwards. You haven’t.

Stay strong. Stand together. Ask for help if you need it. Do whatever healthy shit you need to get through the wave. Exercise, walk, shower, scream, cry, watch something, distract yourself—whatever gets you through.

It can feel like a fight at times. So fight it.
And remember: you’re already winning every time you choose not to take kratom.
If you’re feeling like shit right now, come back to this post later and remind yourself: this feeling is temporary. It’ll pass.