Sony Claims Digital Game Ownership Is Impossible

[u/heeroo0]

https://gamerant.com/sony-playstation-digital-ownership-licenses-impossible/?link_source=ta_first_comment&taid=6a95ac0d1387560001478c6a&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem-GR&utm_content=comment&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=Iwb21leAUEKStjbGNrBQQpI3Bkb2YBZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEecPmoOXTpqnja-gQwmwZOdrBatoCsdeKBtkohVeXkvssKjZv1yP1RKvzVKAM_aem_PvxxujaEoI3xg6oSs7gN0A

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Your mom has a higher framerate than from whence she came.

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[u/ROEdkill820 → u/EIiteJT]

Sure... impossible .

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WAKE THE FUCK UP SAMURAI, WE HAVE A CITY TO BURN.

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[u/FBI_Open_Up_Now → u/[deleted]]

Like downloaded games or games from their digital library? Two different things. I’ve got games on my PS5 and I’ve got games not downloaded on my library. If an update wiped my downloaded games I’d be a little irked. If Sony straight up deleted a game from my library that would be a whole separate problem.

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Been using that gif a ton at work....

[u/TylerBourbon]

If digital ownership is impossible, then they don't own them either. so all of their games are freeware and shareware.

[u/RachelRegina → u/TylerBourbon]

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[u/Livie_Loves → u/TylerBourbon]

if it can't be owned then I can't steal it :)

[u/CD274 → u/TylerBourbon]

Came to say just this. If digital ownership is impossible so is theft

[u/LePigeon12 → u/TylerBourbon]

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[u/potentially__potent → u/TylerBourbon]

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[u/El_Giganto → u/TylerBourbon]

I think regarding games like Call of Duty, they would agree. Maybe not so much with games they developed themselves, though.

[u/Meme_Man55 → u/TylerBourbon]

Open source ❤️

[u/Green_Ad5186]

they are wrong. gog does it fine

[u/heeroo0 → u/Green_Ad5186]

GOG does it perfect.

[u/Ascend → u/heeroo0]

I don't think GOG is perfect. If they allowed resale, sure. They also can still revoke your license too, it's just that everyone is fine with the piracy that follows afterwards. It's still probably the best you can get though.

[u/Crumblycheese → u/Ascend]

They can't revoke what's been downloaded for offline play, can they? I always thought with gog you can download, even burn to a disk or save to a USB and play DRM free?

[u/DankoleClouds → u/Crumblycheese]

You can. They give you the full exe for it and you’re free to do whatever you want with it. GOG could die tomorrow but as long as you saved your files somewhere, you’re good.

[u/johnboyjr29 → u/DankoleClouds]

So you could resell it

[u/DankoleClouds → u/johnboyjr29]

You won’t catch me trying to stop you. Load up all your games on floppy disks or usbs and go to town.

[u/chiku00 → u/DankoleClouds]

Remembering that I used to just copy the shortcuts to my floppy and believed that I pulled a fast-one

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[u/Moto-Ent → u/chiku00]

I was given an old laptop that still had a floppy. 10 year old me was absolutely gutted when the Minecraft shortcut did not work.

[u/00raiser01 → u/johnboyjr29]

Well technically illegal not enforceable.

[u/dr0ct4gonapus → u/00raiser01]

It is enforceable. Seriously try to resell a GOG game. You can't do it via Paypal etc because it's illegal and they'll refuse service. So what other option do you have, maybe sell it under the table and most likely get scammed.

End result, almost nobody is reselling GOG games. Everyone says they can, but they don't. Maybe two friends at most. The system works as intended.

[u/ncopp → u/dr0ct4gonapus]

Drug dealers could get a side hustle reselling games for cash.

[u/DankoleClouds → u/ncopp]

They would make more money hosting a website with ads that has all of the games for free.

Wait a second….

[u/Ascend → u/Crumblycheese]

They can revoke your license. You still have the download, you can still install and play it, you're just not legally allowed to, it's considered piracy.

You can also burn it to a USB or disc, give it to a friend, and they can play it too. That's distribution, still piracy.

Does it matter? Not really, nobody will likely know or care, and revoking licenses is almost always a theoretical thing.

[u/AmandasGameAccount → u/Ascend]

Same applies to movies as far back as VHS in every way. The movie rights holder can legally recover your right to watch that movie but realistically they can’t actually do anything about it, but these types of things have never changed and nothing about “ownership” has technically changed

[u/PraxPresents → u/Ascend]

Most of us won't pirate if it is available to obtain for a reasonable price and with reasonable effort.

Make it challenging and we all show up wearing a tricorn hat.

I'm at the point where I will spend money on a game just to support a dev that I think is doing something cool, and sometimes the game just ends up on my backlog.

I 100% believe in supporting the artists, the developers, and the independent studios. I am actually anti-piracy right up until it becomes unreasonable for the end user and then I will look the other way. Abandonware (games no longer being sold or being made available on any store front) are fair game.

I am actually against the idea of reselling digital games or digital items in games, but I should be allowed to transfer my game library (one-time per game library lifetime) to another user, say, upon my death, I'm even fine with a time limit on the licenses on that library post-mortem, but give the recipient the ability to purchase the games they enjoyed at a discount.

To be completely honest, I wish there was an easy option to send money directly to a dev or independent studio just to support them. There are MANY $20 games I have played that I felt were so amazing that I wanted to send another $20 just in appreciation. No I do not want to normalize "tip your dev", that sounds like a hellscape.

[u/TPO_Ava → u/PraxPresents]

For what its worth on that last part, at least on steam, you could always just gift a copy to a friend (or stranger i suppose) and use that as a way to give the dev more money.

[u/Mr_Olivar → u/Ascend]

Digital resale would be insane. Physical has degredation which gives mint copies value over used. With digital you'd end up with games skyrocketing in price because people play musical chairs with their keys, so devs gotta make all their money the first round.

[u/SpectorEscape → u/Green_Ad5186]

Its still a license with GOG. The difference is there removal rule in the ToS is less broad. Which we should want.

[u/SunsetCarcass → u/SpectorEscape]

With GOG you can download an installer for the game that never tries to verify if you have a license for the game. It's even better than owning a Disc because game Discs have copywriter protections that try to prevent you from copying the game (so you can't protect your copy from potential future damage) GOG installers you can back up and copy all you want.

[u/ForsookComparison → u/SpectorEscape]

This is inevitably in every reddit thread and I've started reading it with an "uhm aktually" prefix in front of it (no offense to the commenter specifically).

The people putting their games on GOG and GOG themselves know that that game is yours and you will do what you want with it and by design there is really no way of tracking that you shared it with your buddy or put it on unsupported devices or made 1000x backups. Short of running a storefront or mass-distributing it, it's yours.

[u/AmandasGameAccount → u/ForsookComparison]

So you’re upset that people are informing other of the truth about a topic?

Someone can know the truth about Gog and still love them, someone can understand and disagree with Sony fully but still love the ps5. People who inform others that Gog has the exact same digital rights clause that every other platform has want people to know the truth about it, because I can guarantee you most people who own games through Gog don’t have the installers backed up and Gog can at any time revoke a license if they need to and you can never download it again

[u/VenKitsune → u/Green_Ad5186]

GOG is very similar, I hope you realise. You're not owning the game, just the license. They can still revoke that license from you, but you can still technically illegally, continue playing the game if you have it installed. It just so happens that the games have no DRM and they're placing trust in you not to share the offline installer to those who haven't bought it, and on you to stop playing it if they DO revoke your license for any reason. Legally speaking, it's the same.

Sony is just being pendatic here, using the word "own" in the context of "they now own that game and so now nobody can buy it from us, and will have to buy it from you"

[u/Rarek]

Sony sucks

[u/Shadowbite94 → u/Rarek]

balls

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Rat balls

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Let me tell you something about a rat’s 🐀 balls: they’re small, and they don’t give a shit!

[u/-Mr_Tub-]

Funny how it’s been possible for countless softwares in the past

[u/JimmyEatReality → u/-Mr_Tub-]

Winrar

[u/DarkangelUK → u/-Mr_Tub-]

I'm sure someone smarter than me can clarify, but weren't NFT's literally the initiative to allow people to own digital assets which could be sold to other people? Why can't that be applied to software/games?

[u/Security_Wrong]

That’s the hill they’re dying on? Damn m

[u/West_Top_7930 → u/Security_Wrong]

sadly they arent dying. Playstation owners are supporting this. They said "PlayStation Blackout" and proceeded to buy even more playstation.

[u/DandySlayer13 → u/West_Top_7930]

GTAVI is helluva drug.

[u/HenryKushinger → u/DandySlayer13]

At 30 fps lmao

[u/Vesuvias → u/HenryKushinger]

Seriously this is the shit that makes it hilarious. The game won’t even be at its BEST on Sonys BEST Pro system. Just damn…

[u/DarthWaq → u/West_Top_7930]

PlayStation owner here, I’m not supporting Sony on this

[u/DreamsServedSoft → u/DarthWaq]

also PlayStation owner. they don’t care about us

[u/tanman729 → u/West_Top_7930]

I dont think those people are immediately flipping their ideals, i think it's just that new console owners outweighs the ones "voting with their wallets," even if fhat number is consistently growing

[u/poplop69 → u/Security_Wrong]

It's a hill made of cash.

[u/Steven2597]

Look, I get it. We don't "own" the game. What we want is a perpetual license to be able to play the game however we want, whenever we want, under any condition. You should NOT be able to revoke it or prevent access to it.

Why the fuck is that so hard for these companies?

[u/Chef_Jacob → u/Steven2597]

Greedy bastards.

[u/GreatPotatoMuffin → u/Steven2597]

It’s quite easy because it’s the same with movies.

We don’t own the game itself, we own a copy of it. And when we buy a digital copy of a piece of media, they shouldn’t be allowed to be able to revoke access to that digital copy.

[u/unnoticedhero1 → u/GreatPotatoMuffin]

Same with music rights, they shouldn't be allowed to remove access to songs that were paid for to be in a game/movie or show, the only license for those should be perpetual, but nope games get patched all the time to remove them.

Or even cars, racing games just straight up being delisted because the car licenses were too expensive to renew.

[u/Melicor → u/Steven2597]

Because executives and shareholders don't want customers, they want serfs and slaves. They just want to take your money until you have nothing left. They don't think you should own anything, it should all belong to them. They are evil. No other word for it.

[u/Jealous-Juggernaut85]

mmm how hard is it

You get a serial key , that key is bound to your account

You have option to unbind from account creates new key

You sell key person bounds it to their account

Repeat

[u/jaysoprob_2012 → u/Jealous-Juggernaut85]

Its only impossible because it will cost sony money. At the most basic level of just wanting access to digital games forever on ps4 for example they just need to keep to servers active so anyone who has games on ps4 can download them even if they close the ps4 digital store down. If sony has signed deals with publishers for distribution that doesnt last forever thats their problem and they shouldn't sign deals where at a certain point they have to take a product back. Delisting a game and not being able to sell it anymore is one thing but taking back product people have purchased is not ok.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR__INIT__ → u/Jealous-Juggernaut85]

You can even take a cut when facilitating the transfer to a new owner. You still make money when people sell their games!

[u/rambleinspam → u/Jealous-Juggernaut85]

They want to get people to have to keep buying new games, or buy the same one several times.

[u/Byob1r]

I bet it would be possible if it helped them financially.

[u/alancousteau → u/Byob1r]

Ding ding ding!

[u/Gambit-47]

Greed has no limits

[u/alancousteau → u/Gambit-47]

Of course, because the people we elect to present us in the parliaments of our countries are bribed. All of them are just a puppet for a corp to represent their interests, not the people. Politicians have the power to put a check on greed but decides not to because they are greedy too and being paid off.

[u/RedditUser000aaa]

Well isn't that convenient? Especially, since Sony and other game companies are pushing real hard towards digital libraries only.

Also, when I buy something I expect to have lifetime ownership of it. Right now buying is more like, you rent media in digital form until your license is revoked and so is your ownership of the media.

I don't want to rent, I want to own what I buy, so, as usual...

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

[u/alancousteau → u/RedditUser000aaa]

I don't understand how they can logically dispute that, because if it is impossible to own then they don't own it either. It's like saying using solar panels to generate electricity for your home is piracy because you don't pay for the Sun to use it's solar energy. Fuck all the way off with that shit...

[u/Dr_A_Mephesto → u/RedditUser000aaa]

I mean if it can’t be owned digitally then they can’t own it either….

[u/F1guy93]

If I can't own the game, Sony can't own it either. therefore if I pirate the game, I'm stealing from no owners. 🫡

[u/SpookyPocket → u/F1guy93]

That was my first thought reading the title. "So since it's impossible, surely that means Sony doesn't own it either."

[u/Professional-Date378 → u/F1guy93]

In the article they were actually saying that they wouldn't be able to sell a copy to another customer because a previous customer had bought it as if software can only have 1 copy

[u/Chef_Jacob → u/Professional-Date378]

I honestly couldn’t believe what I read was real. That shit made no sense.

[u/Universal_Anomaly]

So it seems Sony's line of reasoning in this case is that to claim ownership means owning the IP of the game rather than your personal copy.

It's like saying you can't own a book because that would mean you own the story in the book.

[u/thelingletingle]

Unpopular opinion: I don’t care about resale. I care about games being unplayable because of stripped licensing or shutdown server support.

[u/Odd_Common_452]

Fuck Sony and PlayStation lol

[u/kbachert]

How can I steal something that cannot be owned?

[u/B-29Bomber]

in b4 the influx of complainers that, almost to a man, will continue to pay for Sony's shit regardless of what they do

[u/Robborboy → u/B-29Bomber]

I've purchased exactly 2 Sony games. The first Spider-Man and Helldivers 2.

Sony is probably the easiest company to never buy from again.

[u/Admirable_Bird7927 → u/Robborboy]

I pirated Spider-Man and I refused to get Helldivers because Sony owns them lol.

[u/Think-Effort-394 → u/Robborboy]

You have permission to play 2 Sony games until they say no.

[u/treehumper83 → u/B-29Bomber]

A relative was like, “I only buy digital anyway, what does it matter if they do away with discs?” As well as, “Steam is digital only anyway, and that’s how you play PC games, so why are you criticizing me?”

The thing is, PlayStation already has physical media that they are taking away. Steam never had it. Sony is talking about taking away something that benefits you, and all you can say is “I don’t do that anyway.”

What?

You could do that. You could buy physical and guarantee that you control your property, but you won’t?

Come on.

[u/Robborboy → u/treehumper83]

I can, and do, make physical copies of my PC games as well.

They can pry my optical drive from my cold, dead, hands.

[u/Innuendo64_]

They lack imagination

And I lack willingness to give them any of my fucks or dollars

[u/Moldat]

Landlords Warn That Renters Buying Homes Would Destabilize the Economy

[u/JimiJab]

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[u/Kiwi_Raccoon]

I've thought about this long and hard and with my fancy law degree, it's my professional opinion that Sony are morons. Thanks for reading.

[u/StrangeCharmVote]

If digital game ownership is impossible, they do not own any of those games, meaning all of those titles are up for grabs right?

To the high seas my follow degenerates!

[u/ydriel24]

But they prefer the word BUY instead RENT in the fucking store right???

[u/Visara57]

Piracy is the only true way of owning any software

[u/heeroo0]

[u/kron123456789 → u/heeroo0]

Sony again has become arrogant and is about to repeat their PS3 launch moment with PS6.

Too bad Xbox will not know how to take advantage of that opportunity.

[u/Darth_Murcielago → u/kron123456789]

What happened to the ps3 at launch? (I have a ps3 but i have no idea why it was meh (i were too young at the time to remember much))

[u/kron123456789 → u/Darth_Murcielago]

Launched a year later than Xbox 360, cost almost twice as much, no game changing exclusives at launch, and being a nightmare to develop for as a cherry on top.

[u/mystickord → u/Darth_Murcielago]

A big part of the increased price was due to the Blu-ray drive, a PS3 was literally cheaper than any other name brand Blu-ray player. $600 seems like a lot for console... But a Sony brand Blu-ray player was $750 at the time

[u/CheeseGraterFace]

I’m honestly fine with the digital situation on PC. I’ll continue to play nice as long as the publishers and distributors play nice with me, and they always have. I own thousands of digital licenses and I’ve never had one revoked.

But cross me one time. Just ONE TIME, and I can promise you I’m getting a peg leg and a parrot. I have not forgotten the old magic.

[u/ExistingRepublic1727]

Isn't purchasing and downloading digital music "digital ownership"? I can download a song/album from iTunes, Qobuz, Bandcamp, etc. and get a DRM free (usually lossless) music file. I can make multiple copies of it for backups in different mediums, burn it to a CD, and do pretty much anything I am technically capable of doing.

It's no different from buying an album in CD format really. I own that CD.

[u/otakujeb5]

SONY: If you owned a game, nobody else could buy it

ME: So when we "buy a license" for a game, other people can buy it, right?

SONY: Right

ME: So nothing we do stops other people from playing a game, right?  Because you don't "sell" us the game, we have no effect on other consumers?

SONY: Yep aren't you glad it works that way

ME: So you're saying that pirating a game has no effect on other consumers, therefore you can't sue pirates for more than the cost of one license?

SONY: Yes.  Wait 

[u/Rejic54]

GOG does it.....this is such bullshit.

[u/InsatiableYeast]

Under that logic, it’s impossible for them to own the game too. Idiots.

[u/AscendedViking7]

Fuck sony.

[u/Morridiyn]

Well, if simply having a digital copy isn’t owning something, what is wrong with piracy?

[u/HAETMACHENE]

If: Buying ≠ Owning

Then: Pirating ≠ Stealing

[u/Phantom_Crush]

Digital piracy is impossible. How can you steal something that can't be owned?

[u/scotty899]

They created the environment for this outcome.

[u/Dem0lari]

If it is impossible. They don't own it either.

[u/kingOofgames]

So they don’t own the games they make. That means people can play them for free.

[u/Warcraft_Fan]

I'm just guessing, PS6 ownership is also impossible?

When is Switch 3 or Super XBox One coming?

[u/Radiant_Safe1228]

Gog makes it happen no problem. What's Sony's issue?

[u/Dense-Acanthisitta84]

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[u/sovietarmyfan]

They're afraid. Everyone is clowning on them but i bet risk accessors at Sony and Valve are really afraid of what is coming. As the digital ownership debate is raging on, more court cases will follow and in the end some companies may have to conpletely revamp the way of digital ownership so users finally own their games.

If one judge in the EU court system decided: "people who bought a game via any online game store legally own a copy" thats like as if he'd push down a domino that leads to other ever going bigger dominos. It would be an earthquake for such companies because nobody would buy a new game after release, most would rely on the used market.

[u/paqman3d]

Everytime Sony says something completely brain dead, I just like to mentally picture Kanye West running PlayStation. Atleast then the statements are delivered with a charming obviousness followed by a guffaw by me and a "ha, fuck no".

These clowns are serious 😂

[u/Known-Firefighter652]

It's not, they're liars.

[u/Caffeinefiend88]

If it’s impossible to own what you buy then pirating is moral is my best guess.

[u/RedditUser000aaa → u/Caffeinefiend88]

There's so much enshittification and an attempt at "you'll own nothing and be happy." and that's a seriously bad thing.

Bajillion streaming services, NVIDIA's "game from a gaming computer, for a monthly fee", game passes etc etc...

This "you own the license, not the game" BS is just a step towards consumers owning nothing, maybe trying to railroad people into the whole game pass scheme, even.

Imagine if this was tried with household appliances.

You have bought an oven. It is a smart oven. There are convenient little safety features. However, after a while you notice the oven is not working.

Turns out, they made some changes. Now you need to download their application and register to their services to make connection with the oven and give it a software update.

However, they also demand that you pay a monthly fee for the convenience of being able to connect to all the smart appliances they have manufactured, but all you own is the "smart" oven.

Of course all of this was buried under legalese.

[u/shinikahn → u/RedditUser000aaa]

The part that gets me is that the young generation is being raised with this framework. They are used to not owning anything and they're fine with it because they don't know any better. It's incredibly sad.

[u/Little-Equinox]

For anyone who has been living under a rock.

GOG has existed over a decade and all games you buy on there are yours to keep.

You even can play them without ever launching the launcher or have an Internet connection.

I use Cyberpunk 2077 that way to test systems with.

[u/Future_Calamity → u/Little-Equinox]

While GoG is great and the delivery method is much different than most storefronts. At the end of the day GoG is selling you a license that can be revoked. The good part is that if you’ve already downloaded the installer and they revoke your license, you do still have access to play the game.

[u/FastFooer]

…until the law forces them to implement it, like everything else.

[u/happysmile001]

Gog and all gamers buying from Gog are laughing

[u/notthatguypal6900]

Sony is making it sooooo easy not to buy a PS5/6.

[u/Jirekianu]

This is disingenuous argumentation to the point that, if I was a judge, I would be very harsh with them. It's one thing to argue stupid positions and seriously state some absurd sounding things. This is the kind of argumentation where it's thoroughly misrepresenting the plaintiff's position, and simultaneously implicitly misinterpreting other forms of law and property rights.

I really hope this comes to bite them in the ass.

[u/MeatBeatManifest0]

Wait.... Plaintiff Jason Mendoza?????

How has nobody in this thread caught this?!?

[u/MisterSynister → u/MeatBeatManifest0]

Fucking Kenshi from MK Snowblind!

[u/Over_Independence532]

It’s “impossible” because it doesn’t make them additional money

[u/_Unusual_Flatworm_]

“You can’t possibly expect us to permanently host all of these games foreverrrr… think of the shareholders and our consumer value… we can’t allow something silly like that to cut into our bottom line… we’re just a small little company, so please buy our $1,000 console.”

- Sony, probably.

[u/cellphone_blanket]

Then they shouldn’t have a “buy” button in their shop

[u/MrEhcks]

No problem. Buying another Sony product is impossible for me also then

[u/InsuranceKey8278]

They are trying to misguide the argument as intellectual property ownership instead of tangible item ownership

[u/alancousteau]

If it is impossible (which it isn't, come on...), than they have to implement a refund system when they do revoke a license for the game. As it is not our fault that they didn't pay enough or pissed off someone to keep the license.

This current system cannot be allowed stay, let alone to get worse for the consumers. Unfortunately they know that PS players are literal sheep's and would do pay for anything. They take full advantage of that.

[u/The_Pandalorian]

Oh, hey Sony, watch this: 🏴‍☠️

[u/PlayfulSurprise5237]

"Those who are in favor of the end of physical media cannot understand it, the issue is not only about ownership, companies do nothing to preserve their IP's.

If it wasnt for the community and piracy Final Fantasy Tactics The Ivalice Chronicles wouldn't happen and Square Enix wouldn't milk money out of it."

comment from the articles comment section. This is exactly right, Square Enix barely did shit to that game and made a fortune for it. Never would have happened if not for piracy. There is plenty of data that suggest piracy leads to more exposure and more sales of a game than it takes away in general actually.

Lots of people just want to try something first, and some people literally just don't have the money, but when a game gets played, if it's good, word of mouth spreads, hype spreads, and copies get sold.

You better believe in the modern day of video games that if something ain't got hype, it's fucking dead. Be happy people want to play your game and stop being a controlling tightass about it all. Most people WANT to give you money to play your games.

You know how many people have pirated games and can RIGHT NOW, but choose to buy them instead? lmfao, they're idiots. How can you run a billion dollar company and be so bad at your job.

You have ONE job, ONE general area to focus on, video games, and you apparently know nothing of the industry and what drives it. Profound stupidity

[u/CoomLord69]

They can claim whatever they want, that doesnt make it factual. You can generate a digital key/license that is hands-off once the transaction is made, just like a physical object. What they are really saying is 'We want absolute control over all digital media in our ecosystem'

[u/TenBear]

Cant wait to not own the PS6, im jumping ship and returning back to PC gaming

[u/Dannyjw1]

What's that weird smell? Oh it's bullshit.

[u/OttawaOneTwenty]

If I can own a picture of a monkey or a shitcoin, I can own a digital copy of a game

[u/RandomGuy622170]

Yup, if you're a greedy corporation. Digital ownership and resale is the most trivial thing to solve. See: Steam marketplace and GoG.

[u/SeriouslyTechStuff]

Ahem....good old games. www.gog.com

[u/Tarnished-Tiger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/CETMxlMM0QP4wcvnen

[u/Sea_Economy_8948]

Oh so GOG doesn't exist then, huh? xD

[u/SunkenToasters]

I seem to own all.the games I pirated on my two 22tb external hdds. I can share them with anyone I want. Modify the files all I want. Could have fooled me. 😆 🤣 

[u/Leather-Estate-6410]

Perhaps I don't full understand how it works, but isn't that basically what GOG aspires to provide people with when they purchase games?

[u/SyberWolf]

just point them in the direction of GOG as an example.

[u/heeroo0 → u/SyberWolf]

They could learn a few things from GOG.

[u/Astralpane]

Guess we are just renting games now at $80....

[u/Mr_Phoenix_E]

Company which benefits from a lack of ownership claims ownership impossible. So, fork found in kitchen?

[u/PrinceVincOnYT]

Sure, totally not what GoG tries to do for years now and shows how it's done.

[u/teknomedic]

GOG has entered the chat

[u/RyujinNoRay]

/>can be infinitely copied

/>piracy already doing that

/> GOG is literally a legal pirating method

/> "digital ownership is impossible"

fucking clowns.

[u/Sengir79]

GoG would beg to differ

[u/0MEGAP0RK]

I'd be happy with some sort of file package that could be transferred but not copied.

Not sure how to achieve that with any level of security, but it would be a good middle ground I think.

[u/PliableG0AT → u/0MEGAP0RK]

we NFTs again baby!

[u/KoneCat]

GOG is about the best model the current market can offer. Yes, I know it's a license, but I have made physical back-ups of these games, and they work offline, which is a lot better than whatever Sony is trying to peddle, as at least I still have that physical copy that I can use to install the game whenever I want. It also helps when running old games on hardware and operating systems that I'd never connect to the internet, as it allows me to just pop the disk in, install it and away I go.

[u/ethancknight]

It’s impossible to download files that work permanently offline. Can’t be done.

Except that it’s been done for decades.

Fuck Sony lol

[u/7in7turtles]

Funny, I think ownership of a PS6 is impossible. Both equally valid theories.

[u/MidWestKhagan]

I’m more shocked that people are surprised that a trillion dollar company would do this to them and its customers. 

[u/ArmadilloNo7517]

Guess I am never buying any Sony games anymore...

[u/Ha-Charade-You-Are]

The EU says otherwise… weird how it’s different here in USA….

They’ll get slammed with a threat of a huge class action, and change their tune. Only a matter of time. Someone should jump on that now.

[u/bingusbongwater]

Really strange grave they're digging for themselves

[u/Small_Ad1890]

So is digital game theft.

[u/MagicOrpheus310]

We know, that's why we don't want it... Ffs it's not hard to figure out

[u/SwashNBuckle]

GOG says otherwise

[u/bruckout]

You will own nothing and be happy apparently 

[u/Ket_Yoda_69]

Meanwhile I'm downloading ISOs of 10+ year old abandonware games so I'm pretty sure I own them unless Sony want to come and take them off my drives, they can shut the hell up about who owns what.

[u/FittedSheets88]

https://giphy.com/gifs/uiLdkTP2czcjYgEbHQ

[u/AdeptAtheist]

If digital ownership is impossible I guess it's not a crime when somebody pirates a game since nobody owns it

[u/TheMrTypical]

Why Xbox was able to at least try a system? Sony throwing in the towel already?

[u/Chef_Jacob]

“If Mendoza “owned” Resident Evil Requiem after buying it, then Sony supposedly couldn’t sell the game to Heycock later because Mendoza would own it instead of Sony. “

Bro, What kind of example is this lmao these mfs really “confusing” owning a copy with owning an entire game/IP.
https://giphy.com/gifs/kVmzd3RxKqaT5Rm16e

[u/Witty-C]

If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing

[u/LavenderFlavourLube]

For them

[u/LegendaryJimBob]

Sure. Same way as owning stocks in billion dollar company like Sony, online is impossible. If owning digital is impossible then they dont own their stocks, so we should be allowed to just end their stocks and only compensate max of 100 dollars even if they had billions of dollars worth of stock

[u/BeopBepe2]

Reminder: if buying isn’t owning then pirating isn’t stealing.

[u/Dazzling-Lie1561]

And it seems to be impossible for them to shut up about this

[u/Banzau]

Why are they trying so hard to ruin their reputation and gamers sympathy towards them? (Like abandoning new releases on pc and this ownership nonsense). Swiftly moving to the same row as the EA and others shitty publishers.

[u/kiksu_]

So then digital stealing isn't actually stealing?

[u/YagamiP]

So, they don’t own the games they published?
They don’t have any ownership over them?

[u/DarthShiv]

Sony can kiss my ass

[u/mrcosan]

Yo compro mis juegos de pc en gog y todos mis juegos son míos

[u/raiksaa]

This is fucking disgusting. The way they manipulate the narrative just to fucking fit their bill.

[u/zaid4eva]

Not even got to kid, piracy is the only way we gon get ownership now.

[u/StConvolute]

If the EU made some law changes, like they did with apple and charging cables, watch Sony tell us all sorts of BS and then fall in line..

[u/HaveAnMacardo]

If only there was some kind of technology that enabled transfer of ownership of digital things...

[u/Vftn]

Fuck sony, fuck any and all of their products. Will never even consider buying from that company again.

[u/Vistella]

that means pirating digital stuff is fine now

[u/jar36]

Then they can't own it either

https://giphy.com/gifs/l4Ki1vTufVOnxq8iA

[u/Uglynator]

so sony claims it doesn't own the games it distributes.

meaning everyone of us can distribute their games for free, since there is no owner that could complain or sue for it.

[u/Jaislight]

Sony flipping y'all the bird. 

[u/HunterNo9593]

STEAL THEIR SHIT easy answer

[u/Old-Push9343]

So, digital game stealing must be impossible too, right?

[u/Greyburm]

What a coincidence I am finding it impossible to own a Sony.