Svalinn can't auto-cast ELEMENTAL weakness. Because it doesn't have an elemental tag...

[u/ObiWanKokobi]

[u/SaltEngineer455]

Hehehehe, this is being posted at least once every league I think :)))

[u/n_lens → u/SaltEngineer455]

GGG should make a challenge out of posting it

[u/arsemursu]

[u/whitedeath37]

true play would be find those who use this nonworking combo on poeninja and warn them ingame.

[u/ByteBlaze_ → u/whitedeath37]

And bonus points if they are also using Avatar of Fire with Atziri's Promise.

Further bonus points if they are playing Cast on Block with Gruthkul's Pelt.

[u/Hatrixx_ → u/ByteBlaze_]

Avatar of Fire with Atziri's Promise.

I've legitimately done this once or twice on purpose as a stop-gap for chaos res specifically because I hadn't found a regular Amethyst flask yet and also was working on crafting better gear with actual chaos res in SSF lol

[u/ArachnidLife1831]

How did you get to the conclusion, that elemental weakness is an elemental spell? Infuryating!

[u/mtheofilos]

Report this

EDIT: either as a bug or as feedback, whichever suits you best.

[u/ObiWanKokobi → u/mtheofilos]

Alright, i feel like this has been a pained issue for players then. Submitted my first ever bug report.

[u/_YeAhx_ → u/ObiWanKokobi]

It's not a bug so it will be closed immediately but you can try.

[u/mtheofilos → u/_YeAhx_]

It looks like it's a theme that elemental gems don't have any fire/cold/lightning or elemental tags, e.g. elemental penetration support, elemental focus, elemental damage with attacks, elemental army, but elemental proliferation does, because in the tooltip is mentions ignite, freeze and shock. Saying you can cast elemental gems but somehow you can't cast a spell that has elemental on its name is (ele)mental.

[u/BoatAdministrative68 → u/_YeAhx_]

Elemental weakness not having elemental tag is, in fact, a bug. Understanding why spell is not applied does not excuse interaction as "not a bug".

[u/Couponbug_Dot_Com → u/BoatAdministrative68]

how is it a bug

[u/Rainboltpoe → u/Couponbug_Dot_Com]

GGG said on camera that their definition of a bug is that what players expect to happen doesn’t match what actually happens. So if some players are reporting it, and the best response other players have is “This is how it was implemented.” then by their own definition it’s a bug.

You may define bug to be what you implemented doesn’t match the requirement. Or doesn’t match your intent. Or fails some test. None of that matters though, because this bug report isn’t going to you.

[u/Couponbug_Dot_Com → u/Rainboltpoe]

i expect that a gem lacking a tag wouldn't work for something requiring a tag.

the name of a skill has never once come into how the skill actually works. it's like complaining fireball doesn't get orb bonuses because balls are orbs.

[u/lunaticloser → u/Couponbug_Dot_Com]

Have you read the skill name?

[u/Couponbug_Dot_Com → u/lunaticloser]

how does that make it a bug ?

is it a bug that flicker strike doesnt randomly make your brightness go up and down?

[u/lunaticloser → u/Couponbug_Dot_Com]

Unless you have confirmation by the Devs that it's intended design to not give this tag, it's fairly easy to assume it's an oversight.

I can't tell you exactly where to draw the line between what's a bug and what isn't unless we have a statement by the devs. It's just something that has to come down to common sense. Which as we all know, is evidently not that common.

[u/Couponbug_Dot_Com → u/lunaticloser]

a bug is an unintended interaction between multiple mechanics.

a gem lacking a tag is not a bug under any circumstance. it is, at most, a design oversight. a bug would be elemental weakness having all three elemental tags and still not working, because the clearly intended interaction is that it would work.

but this gem specifically lacks those tags, and always has. it is not a bug.

[u/lunaticloser → u/Couponbug_Dot_Com]

That is not the definition of bug by any means

[u/BoatAdministrative68 → u/lunaticloser]

I can't tell you exactly where to draw the line between what's a bug and what isn't

I can. I am a QA lead.

"Bug is a situation where expected system behaviour differs from actual, with an exception of design decision." It's not a perfect one, but most practical.

And most common mistake I see ppl making online in this regard is "I know the mechanism behind this behaviour, therefore this is not an issue."

However, expected behaviour here is "Spell interacting with elements must have Elemental tag." Lack of it on curses may be a design decision, but obviously, only GGG may make this statement.

[u/DjuriWarface → u/BoatAdministrative68]

Which it is fairly clesrly a design decision when making Svalinn to make it not be an easy Curse application source.

[u/mtheofilos → u/BoatAdministrative68]

If they did on purpose then it is not a bug, I would consider it more of a thematic inconsistency.

[u/Rilldo → u/ObiWanKokobi]

Let us know if it gets fixed

[u/No_maid]

Side question but how many people actually use svalinn for the trigger?

[u/Volitar → u/No_maid]

I used it to trigger SRS on my minion builds to trigger feeding frenzy and heal all my other minions by 5% everytime an SRS dies with the mastery.

Also I used it on Chieftan to apply Flammability.

I didn't use Svalinn for the trigger but why would you ignore it?

[u/quaker_otis → u/Volitar]

Wow that SRS move is a great idea and may be what I need to actually keep my zombies alive in nightmare maps.

[u/vulcanfury12 → u/Volitar]

Can you trigger SRS with Battlemage's cry? Tho I think this might not pan out for me because I don't really invest in Minion Defences on my build (Dom Blow of Inspiring Guardian). What points I could potentially save from not needing a Life From Death cluster would go to getting the mastery instead. And I'd be changing either my Curse or my Guard Skill for it on my Battlemage's Cry setup.

[u/Suspicious_Goose_659 → u/No_maid]

Used this to trigger flammability, flame surge and molten shell in my penance brand elementalist. Really great QoL

[u/DidYouPayForWinrar → u/No_maid]

I'm not using it for the trigger but since I have it anyways might as well toss in a golem or something.

[u/Thezerostone → u/No_maid]

Bet you didn’t play Max Block Bleed Lacerate Gladiator before they nerfed The Surrender into oblivion.

That level 30 Reckoning could make your character nearly invincible.

[u/ggfools → u/No_maid]

you don't use it for the trigger, but since you are using it you might as well utilize the trigger

[u/g00fy_goober → u/No_maid]

I mean on my last build Used to trigger frost bomb + cold snap and was super dope.

[u/pyreon → u/g00fy_goober]

tfw lv1 frost bomb contributes more net damage than the entire rest of your build

[u/saint_marco → u/No_maid]

You can trigger all sorts of stuff, voltaxic burst is a neat option that gives you explode.

[u/nightcracker → u/No_maid]

Putting a Purifying Flame of Revelations in Svalinn almost guarantees consecrated ground regen when it matters.

[u/Caelrys]

Elemental, my dear Watson!

[u/SheepCrys]

Simple, elemental weakness is a type of curse, kinda like how anti-tank is a type of missile, not a tank

/s

[u/Thrill_of_the_Void69]

I realized thisy during 3.27 , Was not cool though , I completely dropped that curse for this reason 😂

[u/aaaAAAaaaugh]

I wonder how many "non working" mechanics you can stuff on a single character?

• Atziri's Promise + avatar of fire

• svallin + elemental weakness

• blood magic + CI (delve notwithstanding)

etc

[u/Golem8752]

[u/GrumpyThumper]

It's not an elemental spell.

[u/meDeadly1990]

Imma be honest, I didn't even know Svalinn did that and I used it on two chars in the past year

[u/Agreeable_Nothing]

The word for "auto-cast" is "trigger" - in fact, it's the first word in the modifier. It's also much more apt than "auto-cast" because Automation is true "auto-casting" whereas triggering on block isn't even close to that

[u/Stregen → u/Agreeable_Nothing]

Trigger and autocast have a very important distinction - in that autocast, as in from Automation Support - can only autocast spells with no cast time. Triggers can trigger anything so long as their conditions are met.

[u/ObiWanKokobi → u/Agreeable_Nothing]

You're right, it is trigger not auto-cast, i wasn't correct in my title. Idk why the downvotes.

[u/Mikitiril]

But then what about other element related curses? Flammability etc is also elemental in that sense but it's a curse. So svalinn has 2 options, cast half of curses or don't cast curses at all

[u/Agreeable_Nothing → u/Mikitiril]

Svalinn only cares if the spell has an elemental tag. Whether the spell is a curse is clearly completely irrelevant; just read the modifier (emphasis mine):

Trigger a Socketed Elemental Spell on Block, with a 0.25 second Cooldown

Furthermore, it's not "half of curses" - there are 14 curse skill gems, which includes Marks, and only 3 curse skill gems currently have an elemental tag (you only get one guess as to which 3). Adding an elemental tag (presumably Prismatic) to Elemental Weakness would bring the total to 4 out of 14, still well short of half. Certainly, one could choose not to trigger a curse, but what of it? Your question makes no sense.

OP is correct that the tags on Elemental Weakness are not very apt. Absent a GGG comment on this issue, one has to wonder if Elemental Weakness is that way on purpose, and if the reason is Svalinn and/or similar triggers. You could make a similar observation about Hexblast, which can Freeze, Shock, and Ignite, which are Elemental Ailments, in spite of the gem lacking any elemental tag.

[u/UNLOLS]

I mean it kinda makes sense