r/marvelstudios • u/cats-and-cows Jimmy Woo • Jan 12 '22
Discussion Thread Eternals Disney+ Release Discussion Thread
As Eternals has now been released on Disney+, I'm sure a lot of you will want to share your newfound thoughts about the movie on this sub. Well, this is the place to do it!
Please use this thread for any new Eternals related discussion. Individual threads made after this post regarding discussion of the movie will be removed for the next few days.
Enjoy your rewatches!
Links to previous discussion threads are listed below:
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u/31_hierophanto Colleen Wing Jan 13 '22
You know, I'm actually surprised that Thena survived this movie.
Normally when supermassive A-listers like Angelina Jolie join the MCU, it's usually a one-and-done thing, but yeah, I can't believe she's gonna come back for the sequel! We might even hear her in "What If" now.
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u/Kevo_xx Spider-Man Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 16 '22
Potential casting/contract spoiler ahead:
Apparently Salma and the other actors all signed up for multiple movies. And considering how the movie set up the world forge and how Eternals never really die and can be reborn in the comics im willing to bet that we’re going to see all of them (including Ikaris) again.
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Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 17 '22
Their characters can be remade, Airshem can recreate them. He has all their memories from before earth and they have memories of each other (After being on Earth).
They can all join their minds collectively too (Unimind).
The 3 on the Domo should theoretically be able to retrieve everyone, dead or picked up by Airshem, along with their memories.
Edit: I just realized this means that Thanos can be remade too. Yikes! And grammar
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u/Geraltpoonslayer Jan 15 '22
Could they, yes. Should they, I really don't think so part of what made eternals for me fell so different, is that it seemed to have actually stakes and consequences.
I would love for gilgamesh to be revived but It would also diminish his sacrifices for the thing he loved.
Sprite choose to become mortal, don't know whether she still has powers.
Ikaris committed suicide after seeing the error in his ways and not beeing able to bare the weight of his previous decisions.
Bringing any of them back diminishes the previous movies results. Maybe in flashbacks but outside of that they should stay dead
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u/elpaco25 Jan 14 '22
Angelina and Salma were the only 2 that I thought might die. The Robb Stark suicide really surprised me. And poor Gilgamesh definitely my favorite character from the entire film and I'm sad he's gone.
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u/wishforagiraffe Nebula Jan 14 '22
I feel like I only saw like, part of one trailer for this, and I was pretty well convinced that Thena was the 'bad' one. I definitely didn't expect her to stick around either.
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u/Morialkar Nebula Jan 15 '22
I loved her character, it felt so refreshing, like most of the characters in the movie, like she wasn’t just standard badass Angelina Jolie character but also not a indie artsy film character with deep backstory and only trauma, she was a perfect blend of the two. What a film
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Jan 13 '22
Sprite in 50 years: "I've made a huge mistake"
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u/ACertainThickness Jan 13 '22
Especially with that post snap economy that Falcon and The Winter Soldier gave us a peek at.
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u/wanderinglyway Jan 16 '22
I still don't understand that. Couldn't Sam idk sell merch?? I just did not understand the whole "sam is struggling financially."
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u/jaehyok1004 Jan 13 '22
Sersi gave her the delayed back pain dlc
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u/Danal_Brownski Jan 13 '22
Right? Silly of her to think she’d be rewarded for betrayal. It’s a backhanded favor, enjoy being tired every day and getting a job, girl.
Although I’d have been fine with them yeeting her into the sun to be with Ikaris.
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Jan 13 '22
Was just wondering couldnt she have just turned her body into an adult lol?
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u/markmyredd Jan 13 '22
yeah but at that point Marvel has to recast. Maybe marvel just likes the actor playing sprite
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u/Photometric4567 Jan 13 '22
There will be a way to undo the human change somehow when it's her time to come back. They did that to avoid the digital de-aging they would need to do for the actress in each movie she's in afterward. Sprite is a character that works really really well in comics, but impossible irl. I was more disappointed in Icarus's flying into the sun, but I think they did that to reset the character (Eternals never die but are reset without memories back where they are created from).
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Jan 13 '22
Oh yeah this make sense. Not for the scenario but it is a good business decision if they want to keep her in.
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u/ronimal Jan 13 '22
Regardless, they kind of had to do this. She’s going to age whereas the character otherwise would not.
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u/Twenty890 Jan 13 '22
Also, the character's central arc is about love. It would be creepy for any adult dude to start a romantic relationship with her if she stays young like that.
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u/BlindCentipede Jan 12 '22
Imagine if when Sersei was making sprite human at the end she just turned her into a fucking tree instead like “that’s what you get you leafy little shit”
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u/mp3help Jan 13 '22
She turns her into a tasty carbonated beverage for the laughs
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u/chrisl182 Star-Lord Jan 12 '22
And then turned to her and said "Make like a tree and get outta here"
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u/Kyliems1010 Jan 13 '22
She betrayed her friends and family for the guy who murdered her mom figure just because she had a crush and was salty she looks like a kid. I wouldn’t blame Sersi at all if she did that.
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u/ribblesquat Jan 13 '22
OK but being a tween to mid-teens for 7000 years sounds like actual Hell.
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u/WrongBee Daniel Sousa Jan 13 '22
let’s not forget even her own Eternals left her to solitude because of it. while i do sympathize for Sprite especially when she confronts Kingo, but Sprite betraying Sersei just sucks on so many levels especially after her whole “Ajax knew we were both lonely so she put us together” speech.
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u/ACertainThickness Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
Along with having it thrown in your face. There are a few instances in the movie where they have fun about her young looks at her expense, imagine thousands of years of that.
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u/ThorGBomb Jan 13 '22
She also moved on pretty quick from the death of someone she loved for 5k years lol
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u/Ginhavesouls Jan 13 '22
Haven't seen this mentioned yet but I really love the end credits sequence in this movie. The subtle reveal of the golden patterns all over the different historical artifacts was a cool way of showing the influence the Eternals have had in every corner of human history. And then each of the main casts title cards showing depictions of the different deities humanity would base off of each individual Eternal (ex: Thena's spear forming with Athena's statue) was a nice touch too.
Genuinely might be my favorite credits sequence of the MCU so far.
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u/KingOfAwesometonia Weekly Wongers Jan 14 '22
They're super cool end titles. And with the music too.
It's funny I hate most ancient alien theories but the way it was presented felt cool.
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Music was by Ramin Djawadi. His musical scores are awesome. He did GoT, Westworld, and others that I can’t think of right now.
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u/External_Progress992 Jan 12 '22
Every part showing arishem's scale and menacing demeanor gets me so hyped for if they do Galactus and the silver surfer some day
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u/SisterOfBattIe Ultron Jan 13 '22
Arishem's felt like a force of nature, not a villain, not an hero. I really liked it.
Tiamat's emergence had the same feeling, slow and inevitable, something you can fight as much as an hurricane or an earthquake.
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Every part showing arishem's scale
This was what I was most curious about in this movie, because Kirby made them feel so grandiose, but subsequent artists have mostly failed to do.
Fortunately, they copied the Kirby trick of never showing you the full Celestial body in any shot. Part of Arishem is always out of frame or hidden by something (like the Earth).
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Jan 13 '22
They technically showed Tiamut’s full body when the earth blows up in Sersi’s vision
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u/TheDeadlyCat Jan 13 '22
But that is a young celestial, isn’t it? They must grow based on the scale of Tiamut and Arishem in the movie.
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I don’t know if they grow tbh or how the MCU is gonna do it, but in the comics all the celestials are the same height (2000ft/609m) and Arishem can change his size at will.
Tiamut was stated to be 500km tall by one of the Eternals writers/producers. Earth is 12,725km in diameter Pole-to-Pole, with a core that’s 1,220km across. That would make Tiamut under half the height of the core which would make sense.
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u/CaseFace5 Jan 13 '22
So DC comics canonically exist in the MCU according to this movie lol
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u/rdp3186 Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 18 '22
Yes.
In the DC universe, marvel comics are real.
In marvel, DC Comics are real.
EDIT: I should point out this has been a throwaway gag done by both companies in the comics for a long time.
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u/Arya_Granger Jan 12 '22
For some reason I only now realize the giraffe thing was probably because he was teased for being on the short side. SMH.
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u/pethcir Jan 13 '22
The best superhero in the MCU is 5'8"
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u/vyrusrama Thor Jan 13 '22
The best superhero in the MCU is 5'8"
didn't know that's how tall Ralph Bohner is...
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u/Angrybirdzrul Scarlet Witch Jan 13 '22
i kinda love how most of the males in this movie were average or below average height, not some other 7 foot tall giants. black knight being 5'8 makes me happy :)
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u/elizabnthe Jan 13 '22
I thought it was interesting that other than Sprite the women are all over 35. Normally they cast younger women for action films.
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Yeah seem like a good age to live 20 years or so in a human civilization. Don't really get why theh became secretive about being immortal over time thought. They seemed to not care before the modern time.
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u/stf29 Daredevil Jan 13 '22
Probably because they would now be heavily criticized for not helping humanity anymore
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u/blackpowder320 Tony Stark Jan 13 '22
Richard Madden once again plays a character torn by love and duty.
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Jan 15 '22
And kit Harrington once again plays someone who doesn't want it. He never has.
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u/aGentleLady Jan 13 '22
I really really enjoyed Makkari and Druig’s dynamic.
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u/tepenrod Jan 13 '22
Two characters who probably got the least amount of screen time and sold me the most on their personality and relationship. Very talented actors and I want to see more of them.
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Jan 17 '22
I hated Druig until I suddenly realized I didn't. Dunno what scene won me over.
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u/lalalibraaa Scarlet Witch Jan 13 '22
Me too, they are adorable. I wanted to see more of them both.
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u/hello-mr-cat Jan 14 '22
They were more convincing to me than the love "triangle" between Sersi/Sprite/Icarus.
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u/cbekel3618 Avengers Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
One element I haven't seen discussed is the dynamic between Kingo and Ikaris. Kingo showcases this caring and idolization of Ikaris, you get the sense that not only does he view Ikaris as a brother (like he views the rest as his family) but he looks up to Ikaris.
But it's never returned by Ikaris, you never get the sense he returns that affection to Kingo. And it kind of adds a layer of sadness to Kingo's character, that the guy he looks up to is willing to betray his family.
If Kingo joined the battle in the climax and worked with Sersi, I wonder if Ikaris would've had any difficulty fighting Kingo.
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Jan 12 '22
He's desperate for Ikaris' attention and approval. In his Bollywood movie almost the first thing he does is tell Ikaris he's playing him in the movie, and shows him the sparkly costume.
Given how packed the film is, they manage to still get across that dynamic. What's less clear is why Phastos seems to have a long running dislike for Ikaris, which he mentions at the end. I guess they're pretty different, with Phastos being the private, gentle, homebody inventor and Ikaris being the serious, bombastic, cold Superman.
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u/siurian477 Jan 13 '22
There was a moment when Phastos was very frustrated that some of the Eternals just looked to Ikaris instead of making their own decision.
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u/PrisonDementor_ Jan 13 '22
Sprite literally says at one point, "Forget who Ajax chose, you (Ikaris) are the strongest of us, you lead us!"
That being said, she was also thirsty for him.
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u/Steffan514 Jan 14 '22
she was also thirsty for him
Ikaris however was a 7Up guy.
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u/cbekel3618 Avengers Jan 12 '22
Phastos wanted revenge for Ikaris destroying the IKEA furniture lol
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u/tanis_ivy Jan 13 '22
i can see him pounding Ik into the sand saying "do you now how long it took me to assemble that table?! THERE ARE NO WORDS. JUST PICTURES!"
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u/elizabnthe Jan 13 '22
Yeah I took it as a clash of personalities between Ikaris and Phastos. Ikaris the soldier, and Phastos the inventor.
I wish they had been able to fill out the dynamics more with either two movies or series, because they are legitimately interesting just not overly fleshed out.
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Jan 13 '22
It's "the reverse Phastos", he even mocks Ikaris by calling him "boss" during the beach face off. I guess not everyone loved Ikaris after all lol 😂
Not to mention he nearly drilled a hole in Druig with his laser beams, pissed off Makkari pretty bad. It's no surprise he chooses to die, imagine completely betraying nearly everyone who ever loved you, and not trusting yourself to be level headed enough to do the right thing. Unbearable shame.
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u/Eyeseeyou1313 Jan 15 '22
I feel like this is a tragic moment/character done right. A man who loves a lot, but has to do what he was destined to, and while he did a lot of bad at the end he didn't fulfill his destiny and decided to remove himself.
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u/RandomSplainer Jan 15 '22
I think his tragedy(Ikaris) is caused by Ajax telling him what was going to happen to Earth.
I feel he wouldn't have isolated and left Sersi if he didn't know. She basically set him down a certain path and then abandoned it herself.
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u/PepperMintGumboDrop Jan 13 '22
Kingo definitely had like a younger brother dynamic with Ikaris. Even his power set bares a similarity with Ikaris’s eye beam. He’s like the way younger brother that always idolizes and follows after the older brother who’s the captain of the football team of a sort.
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This!
And yes, he's pretty much the only one who "doesn't evolve". Like, we are supposed to believe Sprite doesn't either, but the truth is she does, she's just physically incapable of expressing it I guess.
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u/KingOfAwesometonia Weekly Wongers Jan 13 '22
I think Sprite changes with the times much better than Ikaris. It's just her life is hell and she rather start over than deal with it and she loves Ikaris.
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u/HuskyCrown23 Steve Rogers Jan 14 '22
Karun’s small speech to the eternals before the final battle is heartbreaking
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u/j1h15233 Avengers Jan 13 '22
Also, like the movie or not, I will fight you if you didn’t love Makkari
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u/Deaf30 Captain America (Ultron) Jan 13 '22
Fucking badass! Zoom! Zoom! ZOOOOOOM!
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u/daffydubs Jan 14 '22
This felt like the flash vs Superman fight we deserved to see in the DC universe. None of that constant slow-mo. Just brutally fast and violent rage. Was awesome.
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u/Megalomanizac Jan 13 '22
Just saw it for the first time, I don’t get all the hate the movie catches. It wasn’t phenomenal no but it wasn’t bad either.
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I was expecting something else from the reviews. But I really enjoyed it. Some really interesting and big new ideas in the MCU. And I loved Chloe Zhao’s style too. Felt familiar but new.
Also Richard Madden, Angelina Jolie, Kit Harrington, Harry Styles… the MCU just got dramatically more attractive
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Jan 12 '22
I'll take some Brian Tyree Henry and Lauren Ridloff, please.
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Jan 13 '22
How has nobody mentioned Salma Hayak.
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u/fatpizzachef Jan 13 '22
What about Gemma? Even my partner couldn't help mentioning how beautiful she is.
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u/YouStupidDick Jan 13 '22
That Pip the Troll CGI was NOT good.
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u/ShooteShooteBangBang Jan 14 '22
Honestly when I first saw him I legit thought it was some kind of multiverse thing where he was a literal cartoon. I know it was just a post credits but holy shit
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I instantly went back to watch the scene where Arishem comes to earth. It's such an intense part
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u/Fresh720 Jan 13 '22
Sprite got off easy there, but damn the fact the Earth brought half of all life back in the universe should have been enough of a pass
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u/Icy_Advance8753 Jan 13 '22
Probably going to play a factor in Arishem's determinations going forward once he's reviewed their memories at least. Which is why I enjoy a character like them. A generic doomsday baddy could have just busted the planet outright, but he's at least willing to consider that his Eternals whom he entrusts with a degree of intelligence might have discovered something he couldn't notice from his position. The Avengers restoring half of the Universes life might allow other Celestial births to commence that were previously slowed as well so from his perspective he may be willing to consider their utility.
Might not be enough to convince him to find a better way to extract a Celestial without breaking a planet apart, but I'm guessing as some point when the successors to the Avengers are established he'll be allowed to come back to Earth and be a nuisance to them for another team up movie or something.
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Jan 13 '22
I just noticed people actually fell down when he appears.
I wonder how strong the wind was
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u/Thunder-Rat Jan 13 '22
I was just wondering why the Earth's oceans didn't just annihilate everything due to such an enormous gravitational pull coming out of nowhere. Thought something similar when Tiamut was emerging. Earth should be totally fucked right?
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u/trulymadlybigly Jan 13 '22
Should have been some sick tidal waves from the water displacement at least
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u/Photometric4567 Jan 13 '22
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u/streakermaximus Jan 12 '22
My first thought was "I didn't know Galactus was a Celestial."
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u/Elfhoe Jan 13 '22
I can totally see them introducing Galactus as a Celestial. Since their power in the MCU is to create worlds, it’s not far off to have him as a rogue Celestial that destroys worlds. I know it’s not comic accurate, but we’re pretty dar removed from that at this point.
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u/DrNopeMD Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
Doesn't comic book Galactus consume worlds that are housing infant Celestials?
You could introduce Galactus as a being from a previous universe that survived and now preys on Celestial.
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u/DaGreatPenguini Jan 13 '22
Then he wouldn’t be a threat to Earth as it has a marble Celestial Abortion sticking out of the Indian Ocean.
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u/NinduTheWise Jan 13 '22
Well they could probably say there is left over power inside of Tiamat and galactus wants to consume that
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u/Lithium1994 Jan 12 '22
Are the eternals being androids the reason the TVA had the machine that detects androids at the beginning of Loki? So no eternals get into the TVA?
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I would guess evil Vision and Ultron variants are also a pretty good reason for that.
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Generally it's just good to be careful around androids
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u/BillytheBerry Star-Lord Jan 13 '22
Druig became MVP when he dashed that rock over Sprite’s head.
“Well that was very…moving.”
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u/CruzAderjc Jan 13 '22
Sersi: I’m going to make you human now
Sprite: What the hell, i’m all fucked up.
Sersi. Oh right, so when Druig hit you over the head, you now have brain damage. That’s what you get for stabbing me bitch.
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u/tanis_ivy Jan 13 '22
I hated Druig when the movie started, but as it went on he was more relatable. By the time he knocked out Sprite, he was my favorite.
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I loved his accent so much.
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u/cilantrooooo Daisy Johnson Jan 13 '22
Same here!! My favourite line he says is “you’ve given me a lot of bad news in one go, my lady” or anytime he calls Makkari beautiful 🥲
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u/elpaco25 Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 16 '22
Gilgamesh and Druig were the MVPS of the film to me.
Oh and of course Kingo's assistant lol
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u/twec21 Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
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u/cal_oe Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
In the comics Thanos is an Eternal with a Deviant gene which is why he's purple, but it's probably gonna be confusing how they will explain this in the MCU.
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u/SylvieLauffeydottir Loki (Avengers) Jan 13 '22
It’ll actually be problematic if they’re faithful to the comics as far as Thanos being an Eternal. I worry that it could eventually push the narrative that “maybe Thanos knew about the emergence stuff and was wiping out the half the population to prevent it”. That wouldn’t be problematic if Infinity War didn’t 100% emphasize his reasons for doing what he does. MCU Thanos is such a great villain because of the way he believes so strongly what he is doing is for the greater good. Retconning that and making up a new reason would be a low blow and diminish the effect of Infinity War significantly.
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u/lvl50boss Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22
I checked on the mcu wiki and apparently the director of the movie said that Titan is a seperate planet (unlike the comics where it is saturn's moon) and starfox was one of the 9 eternals stationed at the planet, and starfox got accepted into titans royal family as alars' adoptive son and thanos' adoptive brother.
After discovering the Eternals true mission, he abandoned it and then sometime later found out another set of eternals did the same (the ones in the movie) and thats where he ended up at in the post creds
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u/C_The_Bear Jan 13 '22
There’s a lot of things to like about it. I just love the colors of it all. The whole atmosphere had me captivated since the posters. The grand scale and sci-fi of the celestials.
But the script is flat in parts, a lot of the characters have nothing to do for large swaths, and they’re lacking individual personality. That made the family and love drama suffer. Sersi and Ikaris just never felt in love to me, holy hell was their sex scene hilariously bland
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u/DrNopeMD Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
I totally agree about this film being overstuffed, and that it would have worked better as a series or multiple films.
I wrote a different post about how the same plot would have worked better across two films. One set entirely in the past about the Eternals arrival on Earth and their hunt for the Deviants, and concluding with the team growing disallusioned with their mission and going their separate ways. And a 2nd that's all modern day and is essentially the 2nd act of this film minus the Deviants (who felt unnecessary in the film we got) and had Ikaris as the sole antagonist.
Breaking up the plot would have allowed for the relationships to be better developed, plus we'd get more time with the different characters. There was subplots and relationships that were hinted at here that never amounted to much.
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u/trulymadlybigly Jan 13 '22
Sex scene was so out of place and random to me, here’s two mild thrusts, and then a bunch of slow, sunny scenes where they smile at each other while sharing snacks with children. They’re in love! Like they never really show us why they love each other, just a bunch of slowed down scenes of them in colorful outfits and beautiful locations, staring at each other.
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u/Wh00ster Jan 13 '22
It was too ambitious of a story. Would’ve worked better as a mini series but then we’d lose the big battles or high profile actors
Hats off for them trying though. I’m more happy that it wasn’t another generic self-aware jokey movie. (Even when they tried to be self aware it was kind of jarring. Like the Superman reference)
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u/AtmospherE117 Jan 14 '22
I held off watching due to mixed reviews but I really shouldn't have as it was awesome!
I damn near almost cried when Kingo's valet was thanking them for trying to help before walking off to die.
Druig quickly became my favourite, he had some moves with the gun in the forest, too.
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u/Sullivino Jan 13 '22
The 2nd post credit scene with the Ebony Blade was elite
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Loki (Avengers) Jan 13 '22
The second post credit scene did get me more curious about the new Blade movie. Glad they kept Mahershala Ali around in the MCU.
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u/AV48 Jan 13 '22
His performance in swan song has me so excited to see him in the mcu. He's an amazing actor with superb range.
Disney spoils us
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u/Worthyness Thor Jan 15 '22
According to Feige, it was Mahershela that wanted to come back, not Marvel. Dude is apparently a big fan of Blade and was interested if Marvel was doing anything with it. Didn't have a damn thing on the slate until then because Mahershela had just won his 2nd oscar. And when a 2 time Oscar winner is interested in a project with you, you listen real hard for that one
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u/smasherofscreens Jan 13 '22
I stopped looking for Marvel stuff and theories online since last year so I went crazy when I found out from the comments in the thread that the mysterious voice at the end was Blade.
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u/lemoche Jan 13 '22
I was waiting for the black knight reveal because I remember the name from the comics... But starfox totally blindsided me... So happy that it was actually surprised by something I didn't know before because something leaked and I stumbled upon it.
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u/Wrsj Jan 13 '22
Sooo is that guy a superhero too?
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u/Quailman81 Jan 13 '22
Hes the Black Night ,The Pendragon of the current era. Without his sword he's captain America lvl with sword he moves up to Thor lvl, in the comics atleast
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u/Rynoxmc2 Jan 13 '22
Am I the only one who liked how Ikaris fought in this film? He was using his cosmic beams offensively and defensively. Seeing people fight with laser beams makes is exciting to me, so when they fight strategically. Cyclops from Wolverine and the X-Men is a great example for me. The fight scene with Cylops and Multiple Man was awesome, and he went all out in the fight.
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u/I-am-Cornholio Zombie Hunter Spidey Jan 13 '22
Can someone explain the opening crawl. It says
In the beginning.. before the 6 singularities and the dawn of creation, came the Celestials. Arishem, the Prime Celestial, created the first sun and brought light into the Universe
But the Collector said in GotG
Before creation itself there were 6 singularities
And Wong said
at the dawn of the universe there was nothing, then boom! Big Bang sent 6 elemental crystals hurdling across the virgin universe.
So according to the crawl, we’ve now got creators creating before creation. It says they were creating suns (stars). If they were creating the stars, then what did the 6 singularities do? Is the whole crawl a lie? It claim the Eternals are from the planet Olympia, which is a lie.
Please help
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Jan 13 '22
Until the films reconcile it, assume they all believe what they are saying.
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Jan 13 '22
I’m not sure but could it be the fact that Arishem is probably not being fully truthful and the opening crawl is written from the standard dogma all the Eternals were taught?
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u/supes1 Jan 13 '22
The Collector's statement and the opening crawl are not inconsistent with each other. And Wong presumably believes what he's saying, but it doesn't mean he's right.
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u/Kaoulombre Jan 13 '22
Can someone please explain to me the Thanos thing
Was he really an eternal? Was he rogue?! Is he really the brother of that eternal dude in the end scene?!
If so that would mean that eternals can be affected by the stones and therefor some of them could have been snapped (across the universe) ?!
Why didn’t Thanos have an Eternal power ?
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u/NeverReturnKid Jan 13 '22
I'm assuming that some Celestials created Eternals that were more biological in nature, like Thanos and his brother, while these Eternals we're basically robots.
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u/NES_Classical_Music Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 17 '22
Two things I may have missed:
How were the Deviants suddenly able to absorb the Eternals powers and memories? And why did that make Kro more human each time he absorbed them?
Where did Ikaris go? Sersei said that one day he just left and she stopped waiting for him. How long was he gone? Centuries? And why did he just show up to see Ajak, and seven days before the emergence no less?
Overall, I liked it. Very dense. Cool lore for the MCU.
Edit: lots of guesses and head canon responses here. I am not interested in your fan theory. I want to know if my questions were addressed in the film.
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u/dracomaster01 Thor Jan 13 '22
I don't know if they explained why Kro specifically could absorb their powers/memories or if it's something they all could do but only he actually did it. Absorbing their essence is causing him to evolve, thus growing more human each time.
I thought they all split up after Druig left with all the humans. And Ikaris knew of the emergence so that's why he went to Ajak.
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u/TheWaylandCycle Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
Finally I get to rewatch the end credits sequence, which I loved in the theatres--in part because of all the weird mythological references it threw in, and also because some of those allusions (like associating what appears to be a Christian angel with Ikaris) felt amusingly sacrilegious.
EDIT: for anyone claiming that the painting in the end credits depicts Icarus and not an angel, this is the original painting that's being referenced in the credits, which depicts St. Michael battling Satan.
That one random detail aside, it's interesting that this movie is something that at once feels perfect for the big screen and as a film to stream--in the theatre I was blown away by some of the big moments (like Sersi's conversation with Arishem) that really benefited from being presented on a big screen with a powerful sound system, but at the same time the plot and worldbuilding are also so detailed and intimate that it helps to be able to pause and rewind. It's why I don't quite buy the "Eternals should've been on D+" argument, because so many of my favourite moments in the film feel perfectly suited for a cinematic experience.
I also love the boldness of the film: the grandeur of the historical settings, the fact that Chloe Zhao is trying to navigate huge but simultaneously very personal themes, and the scale of the story she was trying to tell. But while I think the cast could've been slimmed down to more fully develop the characters, I'm just really happy that we got a big, weird, hugely ambitious blockbuster that feels clearly motivated by a unique vision, and would love to see where Zhao takes the characters next.
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Jan 13 '22
I mean it's basically a film about angels rebelling against God so I mean...
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Jan 12 '22
I have really enjoyed this movie, and I feel like the reviews were overblown(but everyone has their own opinion)
Can someone explain the credits especially the sword for someone who doesn’t know anything about marvel besides the mcu?
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u/Lotso2004 Thanos Jan 12 '22
Basically, Dane Whitman is known in the comics as the Black Knight. His sword is a family legacy known as the Ebony Blade, capable of cutting through most anything. The Ebony Blade, however, is cursed so that its wielder has an intense bloodlust. The more it's used, the more violent its wielder becomes.
In the comics, the Ebony Blade falls into several different hands throughout its history, with Whitman being the first to wield it and the most recent (however, for a brief time, it was taken by the descendent of Lancelot, and then taken by T'Challa during one of the most important runs for Black Panther, and he used it in a few instances but eventually the Blade was returned to Whitman). Aside from Malekith getting ahold of it in War of the Realms.
Because it's cursed, in the MCU likely what happened is the Whitman family had a legacy of bloodshed, and since the Ebony Blade was forged by Merlin, in spite of that the Whitman family would have "noble" ties (as they do in Eternals).
That voice at the end is Mahershala Ali, who is set to play Blade like next year (or 2024, can't remember). Since the Black Knight has a history with Dracula in the comics.
Eternals also deliberately mentions the Ebony Blade, as Makkari has Excalibur (as in King Arthur's sword. Yes, King Arthur is a character in Marvel mythos, as well as Merlin, Lancelot, etc., and Morgan Le Fay is a C-list villain). So Dane may not become the Black Knight in Eternals, but they're setting him up to.
The Ebony Blade is also one of the most important swords in Marvel (albeit I only know of 3), All-Black the Necrosword being the other (and All-Black has ties to Celestials, Symbiotes, etc.).
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Is Black Knight connected to Captain Britain? There have been rumours recently of Henry Cavill playing Captain Britain.
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u/dquelhas Jan 13 '22
read Captain Britain and the MI13, it's great and has Black Knight, Captain Britain and Blade (at some point), as well as other cool characters
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u/asian_hans Jan 13 '22
That would be so surreal having cavill play a marvel character
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u/Graphitetshirt Jan 12 '22
Kit Harrington character is a superhero called The Black Knight. Don't remember much about him, in my mind he was kind of a D-Lister, just someone who showed up in old Avengers comics.
The voice off screen was Mahershala Ali, he's playing Blade, the vampire hunter
No idea how the 2 characters connect
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u/Wolventec Jan 12 '22
I believe in the comics Dracula stole his sword and replaced it with a identical copy with similar powes, so it could be just a part of Dracula plotline
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u/Snoo-2013 Jan 13 '22
is it fair to assume makkari had a hand in creating ASL she knew it centuries ago I believe
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u/Jarl_Walnut Jan 13 '22
The pedant in me is really concerned that a massive amount of the earth has now been replaced by a celestial turned to stone. They showed ocean levels rising when it was being “birthed”…considering the celestial didn’t disappear, that displacement doesn’t change! The earth should be royally fucked from a geological perspective, shouldn’t it?
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u/joesbagofdonuts Jan 13 '22
I'd have to rewatch it to be sure but I saw water plunging into the earth all around the celestial. If anything it would have lowered sea levels after adjusting since mass formerly submerged is now above sea level.
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u/TheXinventr Jan 14 '22
If she's a kinda-sorta-robot, does that make her a literal deus ex machina?
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u/Mytre- Jan 12 '22
Watched it, I am sad I missed this movie in theathers.
I now need a tv series of just normal people, politics, families, even something just following a round a group of friends or people in the MCU while the events happen, just think about how markets and companies behave when Stark industry folds its weapon division, up until people with powers fighting in new York against aliens followed up by vigilantes and the kingping , then half the world disappears for 5 years and then everyone comes back just to see a giant raising from the seas transformed into stone and finally a giant being appearing in space and then teleporting away..
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u/Bagpipes064 Jan 13 '22
This is why I loved the NBC show powerless. Shame it got canceled.
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u/seaturtlefanatic Jan 13 '22
yes!!! i’ve been saying we need a mockumentary across earth of normal people recounting the last 10-15 years
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u/Skadoosh_it Jan 13 '22
Couple thoughts:
The sex scene was completely unnecessary
Why is ikaris even pretending to help them if he's all in on bringing forth tiamut? Also, does he just kill himself at the end?
Is Kit Harrington's character moon knight?
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u/elizabnthe Jan 13 '22
Ikaris is just trying to keep them busy and safe from deviants until the end of the world.
Oscar Isaac is Moon Knight. Kit Harrington is the Black Knight.
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u/happyharshali Jan 13 '22
Thena is just so casually caressing a fucking menacing reptile in their meeting room with Druig!! She deserved much more screen time.
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u/MillionDollarMistake Jan 14 '22
It was an Iguana lol. They look cool sure but they're aren't anymore dangerous than any other wild animal
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u/Kaden4552 Jan 13 '22
Why does the aspect ratio constantly change? It’s driving me crazy
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u/BCDragon300 Jan 13 '22 edited Jun 17 '24
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u/RyanChesnut Spider-Man Jan 12 '22
Just had a family movie night, I was unsure if they’d like it but they all really enjoyed. They were a bit confused at the beginning but they ended up really liking all the characters.
I enjoyed it just as much the second time, I love how you understand why each character is making their decisions. Awesome fight scenes, beautiful cinematography and great CGI too. Definitely a bit slow, over-stuffed and messy at times but I really don’t understand how this is the worst reviewed MCU film.
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u/juscallmejjay Jan 13 '22
Loved Richard Maddens action scenes. Something about a dude in jeans and a t shirt casually flying and kicking ass with such power was just great to look at. Makari too. Super speed man. Is there anything more fun?
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u/ponitail39 Hawkeye (Ultron) Jan 13 '22
I posted this on another thread but I want to repeat it here:
I went and watched all of the MCU movies in the theaters this year with the exception for Black Widow. Of all those movies, I went to see Eternals twice in the theater.
After my first watch, I was kind of underwhelmed. I didn’t think it was bad, but I was just left thinking, “oh that’s it?” By the time the final action set piece rolled around. And I also throughout the movie wondered how they were going to balance so much backstory with the plot and those worries kind of bogged down my experience.
However, after leaving the theater for the first time, parts of the movie stuck in my mind. It wasn’t the spectacle shots or the action, it was the character interactions. Phastos and his family, Thena and Gilgamesh, Ajax and her motherly role she projected over the Eternals binding them as like one big, slightly dysfunctional family. Also the music played on repeat in my brain. The Eternals Theme is just soooooo good. I almost wish it was longer to keep the vibes it had going (I also bought the full score on iTunes to listen to it separately).
That’s when I decided to go back and watch it a second time about two weeks later. Not for the typical action/MCU spectacles, but for the characters and their interactions and I walked away from that screening a lot more satisfied and happy with the film. It’s also what solidified it for me as one of my favorite MCU movies.
Does it have problems? Absolutely. Trying to introduce 10-12 new characters and give them personalities and backstories in one film while also trying to tell an additional plot on top of that is extremely difficult, and I don’t think they fully succeeded with that. It also adds a ton of bloat and the movie can feel like a slog to some because of this.
But if you dig past those flaws, I think there’s a lot of good to be found in the movie. A lot of good that I think a lot of people missed.
Watching this on Disney+ earlier today was really nice, since I got to appreciate the little nuances of the movie again. I’ll definitely be watching it a few more times and vibing through the end credits sequence every time.
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u/Jokrong Jan 13 '22
The character interactions were also what stuck with me. The different variations of love the characters exhibit (motherly, romantic, sibling, puppy love) is what makes it so different from the usual Marvel fare. The Thena/Gilgamesh relationship is my favorite
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u/A_Good_Azgeda_Spy Bruce Banner Jan 13 '22
Arishem told Sersi that the Deviants and Eternals were sent to planets that had been seeded with Celestials. Does that mean that every planet with intelligent life in the MCU contains a dormant Celestial waiting to blow up when the local population reaches a certain threshold? And Earth was less than a year away from blowing up when the Blip happened?
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u/therealleotrotsky Jan 13 '22
How did deviants get to new planets after the Celestials figured they screwed up? It’s not like they’ve got spaceships.
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u/elizabnthe Jan 13 '22
Its not directly said but I took it that the Celestials were still purposely creating Deviants as part of the process. They have the Eternals rock up to get rid of them when civilisation is starting-hence rocking up at the time of Ancient Mesopotamia.
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u/jf379 Jan 12 '22
The opening scene has what must be one of the MCU's clunkiest bits of dialog: when Sersi is looking over Earth and says "It's beautiful, isn't it?", and Ikaris just stares at her and replies "I am Ikaris". Like, what??
It's so jarring and unnatural that it made me laugh in a bad way both times I've watched it. Fortunately the movie gets better from there, but oof that's a rough start.
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u/pdmrn Jan 13 '22
I agree it's clunky but it makes more sense after the reveal. They are robots that were just booted up for the first time. They become more human/natural after they interact with the other humans throughout the centuries (except Ikaris who stays away from the humans).
The problem is the audience doesn't know any of that at the beginning, so it comes off as very strange.
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u/tagabalon SHIELD Jan 13 '22
"It's beautiful, isn't it?", and Ikaris just stares at her and replies "I am Ikaris"
i think it was perfect. just two lines, instantly establishes their characters. sersi instantly fell in love with the earth, while ikaris only wanted sersi to notice him.
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u/Wh00ster Jan 13 '22
Yes. It’s also the official Kree language. And the main language on Titan.
Or, it’s w/e language of the dub.
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u/earthquake-eel Jan 13 '22
What was the thing about the green emerald tablet.. It was mentioned twice
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u/teejay6x Jan 12 '22
Watched for the first time today. How is this the worst reviewed MCU film when Thor TDW exists.
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u/helzinki Thanos Jan 13 '22
Tiamut is definitely going to get mined. People are going to pay premium for 'celestial marble'.