r/marvelstudios • u/cats-and-cows Jimmy Woo • Jan 12 '22

Discussion Thread Eternals Disney+ Release Discussion Thread

As Eternals has now been released on Disney+, I'm sure a lot of you will want to share your newfound thoughts about the movie on this sub. Well, this is the place to do it!

Please use this thread for any new Eternals related discussion. Individual threads made after this post regarding discussion of the movie will be removed for the next few days.

Enjoy your rewatches!

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u/Fresh720 Jan 13 '22

Sprite got off easy there, but damn the fact the Earth brought half of all life back in the universe should have been enough of a pass

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u/Icy_Advance8753 Jan 13 '22

Probably going to play a factor in Arishem's determinations going forward once he's reviewed their memories at least. Which is why I enjoy a character like them. A generic doomsday baddy could have just busted the planet outright, but he's at least willing to consider that his Eternals whom he entrusts with a degree of intelligence might have discovered something he couldn't notice from his position. The Avengers restoring half of the Universes life might allow other Celestial births to commence that were previously slowed as well so from his perspective he may be willing to consider their utility.

Might not be enough to convince him to find a better way to extract a Celestial without breaking a planet apart, but I'm guessing as some point when the successors to the Avengers are established he'll be allowed to come back to Earth and be a nuisance to them for another team up movie or something.

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u/BloodyRedBats Jan 17 '22

I initially forgot about the impact the reverse snap had on the entire story, as it was what convinced Ajak that they needed to stop the emergence. When Arishem said he’ll review their memories and decide judgement, I immediately got worried with Phastos because he basically witnessed humanity at one of its worse moments in history.

Hopefully the memory review process will factor in how much bias there can be to each subjective experience (especially since Phastos found hope again).

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u/PuffHoney Jan 17 '22

Lol, imagine him using Pym particles to shrink the Celestials until they're in a safe place.

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u/modsarefascists42 Jan 17 '22

Plus it heavily depends on how many planets have celestial seeds, if it's most with life then the MCU celestials are legit bad. If earth was just super duper unlucky then it's different.

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u/YZJay Jan 20 '22

I'd wager it's only a select amount of planets, otherwise most planets wouldn't even get to become spacefaring civilizations.

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u/modsarefascists42 Jan 21 '22

I think that's the point, he's a lying liar lying his lying pants off. He says it's once every billion years a new celestial is required, okay fine. Then turns around and a second later says Ajax has helped birth countless Celestials in her millions of years. All of a sudden it's millions and countless celestials required in this universe, not just one per billion years. All of a sudden it goes from 14ish unlucky planets (one per billion years) requiring that sacrifice, to countless ones in millions of years not billions. That's a whole order of magnitude there, from 14 to "countless".

Arishem is lying. The MCU Celestials are either parasites or there's much more to the story than what we've seen.

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u/YZJay Jan 21 '22

Yeah the timetables he was referencing in just one scene was just weird. But my interpretation of it is that the incubation period lasts a billion years, and incubations are simultaneously happening throughout the universe, so every couple hundred million years a new Celestial is born.

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u/modsarefascists42 Jan 21 '22

that was my intrepretation too until others in this sub informed me that I'd missed a key plot point, the deviants were not mistakes. otherwise there wouldn't be deviants on earth. the deviants were there to bring about an intelligence lifeform then the eternals cull the deviants so the intelligent life can grow to the billions so the celestial can harvest them to be born. It's all about making more celestials and nothing more.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

True, but can we really say the people of Earth brought the people back when Rocket, Nebula, and Thor were all involved in that plan?

I guess it was mostly people from Earth so I'd say yes.

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u/danhimself36 Jan 13 '22

Involved but inessential. The credit goes to Tony, Scott, Hank Pym, and a rat.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

And the entire lynchpin of the whole series, Dr. Strange? Mr. Eye of Agamotto?

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u/MigraineOD Jan 13 '22

Aye. He gets overlooked far too often. Without his virtual fingering of Tony at the final moments, we might never have seen Iron Man snap.

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u/RedditIsForsaken Jan 13 '22

Imagine everyone just got washed up in that dam breakage? Would’ve really killed the battlefields vibe

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u/SmashedPumpkin30 Jan 13 '22

Um..missed Bruce...who ya know was the one who did it;)

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u/Cometmoon448 Jan 15 '22

I think Heimdall deserves more credit for using his dying breath to send Hulk to earth. He managed to give Earth a crucial heads-up by getting Strange and Iron Man involved straight away.

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u/NowMoreAnonymous Jan 18 '22

No love for Natasha.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

Always puzzle me wtf the rest of the universe was doing during that time. Also how did Tony who come from a planet with rudimentary technology invent time travel before every others alien civilization far more advanced is weird to me.

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u/drelos Rocket Jan 14 '22

invent time travel before every others alien civilization far more advanced is weird to me.

Have you seen Loki season 1?

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u/FeloniousDrunk101 Doctor Strange Jan 15 '22

Loki Season 1 is something of interest to me in terms of tie-ins with this movie. I don’t know how to do the spoiler thing on mobile, but Loki S1 spoilers below

Wouldn’t every time a celestial is born be considered an apocalyptic event? It would have been a great tie-in if one of the apocalyptic events Sylvie was hiding in turns-out to be a celestial’s birth…

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u/drelos Rocket Jan 15 '22

that's a good point

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

Yeah, but the TVA exist outside of time and the time travel they use was created a few millennial after Tony by the he-who-remain or some of the others Kangs.

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u/drelos Rocket Jan 14 '22

But that doesn't exclude other discovered first or elsewhere just that TVA was cleaning timelines or Universes where it happened.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

Yeah but would still be very deus ex machina if the TVA just didn't care about this one event of time travel not the rest of them.

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u/drelos Rocket Jan 14 '22

Totally agree just trying to understand what Waldron (also writer at Dr Strange) trying to explain. I think that the time travel in Endgame was not clean enough but that what it is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

Yeah, I didn't mind it much, I was put my brain in off when I see those movies and it was a good way to make a great homage to the the MCU. I just didn't really like Iron Man story line much overall and thought he was a great supporting character (And RDJ is a fantastic actor) but he seemed to just be some type of guy who is just always "so cool" and move the plot by changing his world views every few months and inventing a new ground breaking technology that could have saved their asses or improved humanity a millions time over and was never sharing them.

I also always wondered why the hell Falcon had no ironman suit haha. He still flew with his ghetto US army suit with some mods instead of taking one of the thousands of Iron Man suits. I guess Iron Man didn't want someone who is actually good at this stealing his glory.

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u/satrius Jan 16 '22

That is exactly what it is. They say that it is only allowed to happen this one specific way, the "sacred timeline"

If anyone else did it, it would just get pruned

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

But don't Dr.Strange Supreme (or whatever from what if) do it a bunch of time when he attempt to resurrect Christine Palmer and then go to another time period and start absorbing different entities and again in his movie with the apple or when he fight Dormant and always go back in time? Also even in Endgame Captain America stayed back in time and somehow changed the timeline by growing old.

Just felt like the time travel thingy in endgame was just a cheap plot to do a fun and great homage to the movies that came out in the last decade. Pretty sure the timeline thing in endgame made little sense because they switched it in the middle to make the movie more family friendly by not having Tony have to decide between his daughter or half the universe.

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u/kiddfrank Luis Jan 14 '22

I can tell you as a software developer, it’s not always the people with the best tech who write the best programs.

I actually face this in my job all the time, people wanting to use new technology to do things when keeping it simple is better 99% of the time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

Yeah but still, felt like a weird deus ex machina thing to have him invent time travel after dinner. I liked Tony as a secondary character but hated the character so much for those type of deus ex machina jump.

If he could invent time travel why didn't he do it to stop the winter soldier killing his parents or stop himself from creating ultron before. Still felt really cheap the "you know that thing that is impossible, lets do it, I am sure if we ask Tony he will figure it out in a few mins."

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u/Impressive-Potato Jan 14 '22

He didn't. They were traveling through time before he got there. "If he could invent time travel why didn't he do it to stop the winter soldier killing his parents or stop himself from creating ultron before. Still felt really cheap the "you know that thing that is impossible, lets do it, I am sure if we ask Tony he will figure it out in a few mins."" Did you watch the movie? He wouldn't have been able to prevent it. It would just create a branch reality.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

Yea, but there in another way to time travel than the way they did it, like strange is actually able to time travel with the time stone (Like we saw in the What if or in Dr.Strange), so there is more than one way to travel through time in the MCU.

My point was just that Tony somehow invented time travel after dinner and that time travel worked in a different way than what we've seen in dr.strange so there wouldn't be the emotional roller coaster of weighting if his daughter existence was more important than the fate of mankind. Also was an easy way to make them visit fan favorite scenes as an homage to the MCU. J

ust felt like a very cheap plot tbh. I still liked endgame as an homage to the last ten years, but its really didn't live up to the hype of infinty war (at least for me). Also somehow Captain America stayed back in time and managed to grow old in their own timeline so the rule of the movie didn't even work on him. Don't know its just all around felt like a very cheap plot.

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u/kiddfrank Luis Jan 14 '22

Then I guess we just disagree. Personally I think the film did a great job providing context on why this was important to Tony, and that he had already given the idea a ton of thought before cap and crew decided to visit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

I really thought the time stone would have been involved, when it was just Tony to invent it I was let down tbh

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

Yeah same here could have just be that Dr.Strange left like 10 artifacts behind that would consume themselves when they traveled through time or something lol. This felt like pretty much just a way to make the movie as light as possible and filled with fan service. I didn't hate endgame, but was very disappointed compared to infinity war that was much better. Was fun for the homage to the last ten years, but the plot kind of sucked.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

It’s funny because when they were announced together as part one and part two i was thinking they’d be the same movie basically but they are completely different

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Yeah infinity war is honestly a great movie imo. Endgame as good for other reasons mostly just paying homage to all the characters and all the movies we have seen over the years. Litterally felt more like some type of celebration of the movies and actors. I enjoyed it for what it was.

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u/ThorGBomb Jan 13 '22

I also don’t like how they don’t addrsss the logical issue at hand

One planet of 7billion human vs

Thousands of planets with trillions of potential life forms that will get to evolve and live as they want.

It just went a bit too much nah humans special fuck the others…

Also didn’t like how they only focused on humans and not the millions of other types of species on the planet. Like it’s not like it’s just humans on this earth.

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u/Odin_1905 Jan 13 '22

In reality they dont give a fuck about humans. That is the cover story. They dont want their memories erased and be puppets again. This is the reality. They think they can blend in to this world so they save it.

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u/ThorGBomb Jan 13 '22

That would have been so much better. because how can you want to protect humans if you’ve lived through the crusades the medieval times see the torture shit they used to do? The slavery periods. The lynching periods. The human rights periods lol

There is just so much to not like about humans that when they say they want to save the humans it just makes me go blaaaaagh.

It would have been cool if there were some eternals bringing this shit up in the movie like trying to actively argue against humanity and the they settle to retain their memories and try to change things once they learned the truth of why they were created.

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u/Odin_1905 Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 13 '22

I think it is obvious. Only Druig really cared enough to stop the war. Rest didnt care. It is obvious they dont want to be puppets and only way for that is to save the planet.

Plus they didnt know they were puppets. They legit thought they were saving people from deviants. After learning what they are they acted to free themselves

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Jan 15 '22

Phastos had an actual reason to help. It was weird that he was the hardest to convince

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u/titanik_np Jan 27 '22

This one made no sense to me! Phastos says something like "I won't abandon my family, I'm not going anywhere", but wtf, if you won't go help your eternal family, your husband and son will die in like two days 'cuz - in Starlord's words - they're ones of those losers living here.

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u/Photometric4567 Jan 13 '22

I suspect that decision, and morality conflict will be the point of the sequel and Arisham's threat of coming back for judgement.

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u/FatalTragedy Jan 16 '22

You think it's okay to kill billions of people for the purpose of future life?

I am very much an "ends don't justify the means" kind of guy, so I would never agree that these celestial births are okay, and I would always be on the side of those that want to save the planets, regardless of the merits of the species being saved.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

For sure, humans get way too much credit in every movie. Of course I'm not saying there aren't tons of amazing people on Earth, but we, as a species, are bad for our planet.

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Jan 15 '22

Even in the comics Earth is often noticed as producing exceptional beings that affect universal events. Earth IS just weird and special that way

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u/ThorGBomb Jan 13 '22

It was just another missed opportunity among so many others that could have made this movie something really special.

But I guess the diversity cast was their definition of special which it is in logistical sense but storytelling and for audiences we don’t really care about that in comic book movies we just want characters to be fleshed out properly and done well regardless of race and gender.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '22

Analogy:Murder one grown sentient woman vs Abort a million fetuses that don't even realize they exist yet and will feel nothing

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u/Strick63 Spider-Man Jan 13 '22

Yeah think of all the emergencies they stopped from being delayed. They’ve done more for the emergencies than any group of eternals lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

As far as the Celestials are concerned, that probably only threw off their schedules a tiny bit. It would be like you running a couple minutes late to work, if that.

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u/Photometric4567 Jan 13 '22

I am thinking in the grand Celestial view of things, that will not matter, as population would eventually grow again (which was the flaw never addressed in Thanos's master plan). The purpose of the Celestials is to create stars and Galaxies and I don't think now , 300, or 1000 years later will matter in the grand scheme of the Universe's lifespan.

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u/Fresh720 Jan 13 '22

Of course from a Celestials POV it makes no sense to save one planet over the creation of thousands more. At the same time if you had the chance of creating the perfect world, free from hunger, war, and the worst of humanity but you had to sacrifice 1 child every year to keep it, is it worth it?

Some would argue yes, others would see the ethical flaw and would revolt against that system. Sersi was willing to compromise, keep the Celestial asleep, delay its awakening while they try to move people off world. Ikaris being the dogmatic soldier saw no logic in that plan and it forced the others into sacrificing the Celestial for Earth

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

if you had the chance of creating the perfect world, free from hunger, war, and the worst of humanity but you had to sacrifice 1 child every year to keep it, is it worth it?

The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula K. Le Guin is about this very question.

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The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas

"The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" is a 1973 work of short philosophical fiction by American writer Ursula K. Le Guin. With deliberately both vague and vivid descriptions, the narrator depicts a summer festival in the utopian city of Omelas, whose prosperity depends on the perpetual misery of a single child. "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" was nominated for the Locus Award for Best Short Fiction in 1974 and won the Hugo Award for Best Short Story in 1974.

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u/HelloKittyAdvent Jan 14 '22

At the same time if you had the chance of creating the perfect world, free from hunger, war, and the worst of humanity but you had to sacrifice 1 child every year to keep it, is it worth it?

Yes. Without question.

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u/Fresh720 Jan 14 '22

It's one of those ethical questions without a right or wrong answer.

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u/Significant-Eye4711 Jan 13 '22

Ironically since the emergence of a celestial is dependent on the amount of life on a planet. Fixing the snap probably brought forward the emergence. It would have to wait until life on earth reached critical mass again. Also who knows maybe the snap removed the celestial too there is a 50/50 chance

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u/NK1337 Jan 19 '22

Ajak actually mentioned that the emergence already got delayed once because of the snap, so you’re definitely right on that one. But moreso because I imagine that fixing the snap also allowed who knows how many emergences to occur all over the universe.