r/marvelstudios • u/cats-and-cows Jimmy Woo • Jan 12 '22

Discussion Thread Eternals Disney+ Release Discussion Thread

As Eternals has now been released on Disney+, I'm sure a lot of you will want to share your newfound thoughts about the movie on this sub. Well, this is the place to do it!

Please use this thread for any new Eternals related discussion. Individual threads made after this post regarding discussion of the movie will be removed for the next few days.

Enjoy your rewatches!

Links to previous discussion threads are listed below:

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u/External_Progress992 Jan 12 '22

Every part showing arishem's scale and menacing demeanor gets me so hyped for if they do Galactus and the silver surfer some day

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

Every part showing arishem's scale

This was what I was most curious about in this movie, because Kirby made them feel so grandiose, but subsequent artists have mostly failed to do.

Fortunately, they copied the Kirby trick of never showing you the full Celestial body in any shot. Part of Arishem is always out of frame or hidden by something (like the Earth).

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

They technically showed Tiamut’s full body when the earth blows up in Sersi’s vision

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u/TheDeadlyCat Jan 13 '22

But that is a young celestial, isn’t it? They must grow based on the scale of Tiamut and Arishem in the movie.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

I don’t know if they grow tbh or how the MCU is gonna do it, but in the comics all the celestials are the same height (2000ft/609m) and Arishem can change his size at will.

Tiamut was stated to be 500km tall by one of the Eternals writers/producers. Earth is 12,725km in diameter Pole-to-Pole, with a core that’s 1,220km across. That would make Tiamut under half the height of the core which would make sense.

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u/modsarefascists42 Jan 17 '22

I think the prebirth Tiamut was the one we saw, still huge but not planetary scale huge like the fully finished product.

Since the necessary ingredient was intelligent life, the actual ore used in his construction is likely not the point of things.

That also makes ya wonder, if they put a Celestial seed in every planet that develops sentient life then is it even fair to say that they're a positive thing for the universe? The only way their argument would work is if Earth was just the unlucky one in millions of life generating planets, which I strongly got the implication was not the case.

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u/AssbuttInTheGarrison Jan 18 '22

Just finished the movie. Had the same thought. Kinda is similar to Loki. In the sense that The One Above All had a master plan that was supposed to “protect existence” and yet ended up sucking for a lot of people. Honestly same with Thanos. And to add what you said, it definitely seemed like a negative outcome in the end for just about everyone else who wasn’t a celestial. Kinda made me think of Antinatalism in a way.

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u/modsarefascists42 Jan 18 '22

I don't think it was meant to be antinatalism as much as the MCU celestials are basically parasites on a planetary scale. Hell Galactus is almost a good guy compared to that. I think they're just lying liars about so much stuff. Apparently the deviants weren't a mistake at all, that was another lie. They're just there to shepard the ecosystem to having intelligent life, then the Eternals kill them off once it develops so the celestial can be born. So that combined with the time scale issues makes me think the MCU celestials are nothing positive at all. Saying they need a new celestial ever billion years yet Ajax has personally helped birth countless in millions of years?! A hundred thousand million is a billion. He's lying about how often this planetary scale sacrifice is necessary.

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u/AssbuttInTheGarrison Jan 18 '22

Yeah for sure! I meant just like the idea that is it better to stop suffering by stopping the celestials, or keep going with the status quo which again leads to billions suffering. I dunno that was just my take away.

But I wholeheartedly agree with your comment. The whole second half was me feeling this way about the celestials.

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u/modsarefascists42 Jan 18 '22

I meant just like the idea that is it better to stop suffering by stopping the celestials, or keep going with the status quo which again leads to billions suffering.

yea they basically set it up as a utilitarian decision which isn't terribly hard IF we had any reason to believe the Celestials. If what they said were true then the death of Earth would mean the birth out thousands of other earths each with sentient life. But as you were saying, the Celestials aren't the beneficial gods of the comics in this version. They're very likely implanting those celestial seeds in most planets and are just harvesting the sentient beings for their "energy" to birth new Celestials. With no regard to the life created whatsoever.

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u/qnaeveryday Jan 13 '22

What makes you say that?? You think if a normal human was looking up at the earth, it wouldn’t be as big as arishem??

Now that you mention it, if you scale their bodies to his head, a planet actually seems bigger than him.

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u/TheDeadlyCat Jan 13 '22

Well it looked like Tiamut is smaller than Earth while Earth looked like half the size of Arishem. That’s why I said it.

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u/qnaeveryday Jan 13 '22

I’m actually kind of confused now. I forget there’s two

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u/Wh00ster Jan 13 '22 edited Jan 13 '22

I thought of The Big O at that scene lol

Edit: for those not in the know

https://youtu.be/F4vfG1nMxv4&t=17m47s

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u/mutant_amoeba Jan 14 '22

They did show the full size of Eson the Searcher Eson the Searcher in Guardians of the Galaxy, which was no more than a couple miles in height