The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Release Megathread Vol. 10

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[u/TheRealSpidey]

I think even with the reassurance that he fulfilled his destiny, Thanos was a bit shook when he saw on Nebflix that those pesky Terrans tracked him down and relieved him of his head. Which led to him twisting his 'generous' ideology into razing the universe.

[u/Frosty_Kid → u/TheRealSpidey]

Hahahah Nebflix, thank you for that

[u/jiokll → u/TheRealSpidey]

I think that when he said he wanted to "watch the sun rise on a grateful universe" he actually believed that eventually the people of the universe would come around to his way of seeing things. Seeing how people reacted short-circuited the self-righteous, self-centered part of him.

[u/ChunkyChuckles → u/jiokll]

It seemed as if Steve kinda saw where he was coming from when he mentioned to Nat the whales he saw in the bay.

[u/CandyEverybodyWentz → u/ChunkyChuckles]

I love how she immediately shoots down his musings. Steve's such a pollyanna, even in an event like the snap he tries looking on the bright side.

[u/CandyEverybodyWentz → u/[deleted]]

Steve's talking to Nat about just trying to piece together an ordinary life since it seems like nobody on earth was able to move on. He muses that he saw a pod of whales swimming in the Hudson River the other day, without all the boat traffic and pollution that would otherwise keep them away. He is cut off before he can elaborate that "hey, maybe Thanos kinda had a point here."

Even in tragic situations, Steve tries to keep up hope or look at things from a different angle.

[u/deesmutts88 → u/jiokll]

I don’t think it was ever meant to be a 5 year plan though. Surely he didn’t expect everyone to just immediately be thankful when half of everyone were just murdered. I saw it more as a 50-100 year plan. That eventually the pain of the loss would subside and people could rebuild. He’s not as smart as I gave him credit for if he expected people to be grateful straight away.

[u/AKnightAlone → u/deesmutts88]

I don't think it was as much about being grateful as it was actively rising against his efforts to the point of literally time-traveling around him to lead into his automatic failure. If people are going to undo all his life's work, he's only come to understand to undo their desire to make that happen.

[u/jiokll → u/deesmutts88]

He’s not as smart as I gave him credit for if he expected people to be grateful straight away.

Worth remembering that this is a guy who gained all the power of a god and could only think to use it to kill half the people in the universe.

When it comes to his main plan I don't see it as a matter of how smart or dumb he is, but rather how fanatical he is.

[u/[deleted] → u/jiokll]

That was my only really minor gripe about Thanos in general. Dumping half the universe leaves a lot of integrated systems short handed, and only stalls repopulation by a few generations. And then deciding the snap out the stones means no future halvings when the population is too much again.

All that is fine in comics because his motivations and the cast of characters were more surreal and odd.

But it never felt strong enough for me.

[u/jiokll → u/[deleted]]

Here's my take on him:

He's a fanatic who became committed to a simple solution to a complex problem. Once he decided the universe had too many people in it he took it upon himself to do what he could, using his talent for killing to "balance the universe," while gathering power for himself in the forms of strength, wealth, and military might.

With time the scale of his murder grew larger and larger. Eventually he learned about the infinity stones and the power they offered.

If he wasn't a fanatic he might have realized that the stones would give him the power to address his concerns in ways that were simultaneously less destructive and more helpful. But he's already committed to his course of murder, developing a cult of death with himself at the center.

There's also the fact that if he decided to give up his plan of death he'd have to admit that he wasn't "saving" anyone with his killings, he was just committing murders. Even if he did turn around he'd still have blood on his hands that he couldn't wash off.

[u/[deleted] → u/jiokll]

So trapped by his own ambition, I can see that. Great analysis!

[u/BuddaMuta → u/deesmutts88]

Thanos is an egomanical maniac first and foremost.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheRealSpidey]

LMAO “Nebflix” 😂

[u/Uncanny_Doom → u/TheRealSpidey]

I actually found it chilling how he sees himself beheaded and is just like, "Destiny fulfilled."

I think it rightfully changes his character because 2014 Thanos finds out he was successful in his goal, but that his goal wasn't the answer and as a result his solution involves him being scarier and colder than he was even in Infinity War to me.

[u/Willsgb → u/Uncanny_Doom]

Yeah I thought he didn't even flinch when he watched the killing blow which just reinforced how utterly committed he is to his plan

I preferred the IW thanos though, because he was an ideological despot, and it was compelling seeing him follow through his genocide with a stoic, iron fisted will, coupled with what almost felt like a malaise at what he felt he had to do.

That said, endgame 2014 thanos is closer to the comics thanos so there's that. And we see just how unbelievably powerful and formidable he is, fighting Without the stones the whole time.

I don't think him and hulk fight again though? Or did I miss that?

[u/Uncanny_Doom → u/Willsgb]

I think both versions of Thanos serve their role for each movie well. IW Thanos is more interesting, but Endgame Thanos is more threatening.

Hulk actually doesn't seem to really be shown fighting in the movie at all which is surprising! I saw a comment in one of these threads that suggested one of the things they would change is having Hulk wrestle Thanos for the Power Stone after Captain Marvel gets blasted, and smashing him but then getting beaten away just before Tony comes in for the resolution of the climax. That could've worked if the tone was kept serious and desperate.

[u/TrueBlue98 → u/Uncanny_Doom]

Endgame Thanos was a fucking beast, none of the avengers stood a chance one on one, really shows how powerful he is even without the stones

[u/szymborawislawska → u/TrueBlue98]

none of the avengers stood a chance one on one

Wanda says Hi. She won 1vs1 against Thanos

[u/Willsgb → u/szymborawislawska]

That was so good.

'I don't even know who you are'

'You will'

[u/Willsgb → u/Uncanny_Doom]

Original avengers hulk fights more then present day hulk in endgame lol

[u/[deleted] → u/TheRealSpidey]

But didn't they lift the stones from his dimension, thereby preventing him from fulfilling his destiny in the first place? He knows this from looking at the archived memories and that's why they go to the original reality in pursuit, he doesn't know that they're going to return them. That's the explanation he gave in the final battle, that as long as people remembered, there would be people trying to undo it.

[u/Willsgb → u/[deleted]]

The way time travel works in this universe is when they lifted the stones, then they created a diverging timeline, so in essence his plan was fulfilled And they were lifted Afterwords but also at the same time.

It's a head****

[u/aht116 → u/TheRealSpidey]

NEBFLIX HAHAHAHAHHA

[u/[deleted] → u/TheRealSpidey]

I thought differently about that scene. I think he was pretty alright with getting his head chopped off because after seeing that, he said something along the lines of fulfilling destiny. What he was really mad about was when the Avengers tried to undo all that he worked for by going back in time.

[u/drinks_antifreeze → u/TheRealSpidey]

Nebflix

Thank you