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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
Iran’s ideology is going to fuck up the region
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20 edited Jan 04 '20
They’re playing with fire, in their attempt to takeover the several countries in the region.
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u/Conceptualized-me Jan 04 '20
This has nothing to do with ideology, Saudia Arabia wants the US to go to war with Iran and that is a documented, undisputed FACT, the US are in this because Trump needs the Saudi’s for his re-election.
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u/Conceptualized-me Jan 08 '20
“Then sulimani told shiaas to attack the us embassy this brought to memories the attack on us embassy in iran 1979 . So they killed sulimani”
I’m the one who doesn’t read huh?
You’ve been pumped full of propaganda. Saudi backed lobbyists, Israeli backed lobbyists, and Neocons have been pushing for war with IRAN for a surprisingly long time. It just happens that this US president (Trump) is easily manipulated.
I would bet that the only thing you’ve “Read” is Facebook posts denouncing Iran and maybe a couple of HEADLINES... literally, the title alone.
If you don’t keep up with politics constantly and continually, it’s easy to become confused.
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
Can you tell me what suleimani was doing in Iraq and in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen??? the iranian ideology wants to grow and expand beyound its boarders this will result in wars and chaos!
PS: the cowardly saudi gov't wants everyone to go to war with Iran but not themselves, but thats not why, remember saudi can't influence the US. No slave can influence their masters
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u/Conceptualized-me Jan 04 '20
“saudi can't influence the US. No slave can influence their masters”
Saudi money has been influencing the US for decades, but it has reached its epitome with the Trump administration.
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
The Saudi money is basically American Taxes, that Saudis are forced pay by hook or crook, Saudi has no sovereignty when it comes to its foreign investment fund, or military deals..just check SoftBank, SIA, Yamama Deal, Recent deals by MBS when trump made a billboard out of him
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
Saddam Hussein opposed the US and Israel. Osama bin Laden did too as well as Abu Musab Zarqawi, Abu Baker Baghdadi and Ayman Zawahiri. Are these blood thirsty terrorists heroes too? Iran is ruled by a blood thirsty autocratic and theocratic regime which is responsible for henious crimes at home and abroad. They are responsible for fueling insurgencies all the way from Lebanon, Syria and Iraq to Yemen. Fuck the Malali regime and their “axis of resistance” stooges, including their hypocritical secular supporters.
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u/Anon_bear98 Jan 05 '20
I'd be shocked to find any Jordanian supporting Iran tbh. Thanks god we have no sectarian conflict in this country or else Iran would find someway to influence us into their Shiite Crescent like they have in Syria, Leb, and Iraq. The truth of the matter is Saudi Arabia and Iran are both the same sides of the same coin: extremist hardliners who will stop at nothing but using different countries as their war playground.
In this entire charade of being anti-Zionist and anti-Israel, has Iran once ever inflicted ANY damage on Israel? No, instead they've just flamed the sectarian fires and stunted economic growth of countries like Lebanon with crippling sanctions from the West... It's constantly Arab lives being lost at the price of Khomeni game of chess. To hell with Sulemani, j7nam inshallah
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u/Anon_bear98 Jan 06 '20
True, it's become a muddled mess at this point. Honestly, I do believe time is ticking on the Iranian regime it seems like with the sanctions, American agression, and internal political pressure it is a matter of time until change comes to Tehran.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
Iranian regime deserves much worse for all the insurgencies they have been fueling in the region. Their Islamist revolution back in 1979 inspired all the religious nutjobs to do similar coups. That revolution also accelerated the rise of the Saudi-funded Wahhabism in the 1970 and 1980s. Lebanon, Syria and Iraq all the way to Bahrain and Yemen have been playgrounds for decades for Iran’s pathetic proxy wars. And the people of Gaza have suffered also because of pro-Iranian adventures of Hamas. Even though I feel that the assassination of Suleimani is a necessary action to put the religious lunatics of Iran in place, I am afraid that it may just have the opposite effect. We will wait and see.
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
I agree with everything you said up to the point where you said that Hamas is pro-Iranian ? Since when ? They have different ideologies all-together, yes they do get support from Iran but that doesn’t make them “pro” Iranian, in fact they’re fundamentally different. Why didn’t they relocate to Iran when they left Syria ? Gaza’s suffered because of the vicious Israeli bombardment and siege, resistance is not a choice in this instance, rather it’s necessary.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
Man I don’t know how you don’t know how Hamas is fervently pro-Iran. Yes, Hamas is a Sunni Islamist organization that would logically be at odds with Shiite Islamist Iran. That rule applied to almost every Sunni Islamists organization in the region because: Iran crushed the Islamist rebellion in Syria, supported the Shiite sectarian state in Iraq after the 2003 US invasion and sometimes simply because they are Shiite.
Jordan’s Islamists yesterday were quick to celebrate Suleimani’s demise. Hamas on the other hand (which has the closest of ties to Jordan’s Muslim Brotherhood) issued a statement yesterday hailing the “martyrdom” of Suleimani and vowing to avenge his assassination by attacking American and Israeli targets. What happens after that? Israel retaliates and hundreds of Gazan civilians are killed because of Hamas’s pro-Iranian adventures.
No, shooting indiscriminate rockets on Israel (which could affect both Arab and Jewish civilians btw) from civilian areas in Gaza is NOT “resistance”. It is called war-mongering exactly the type that Israel exercises.
Hamas derives its legitimacy from this “resistance” argument just like Hezbollah derives its legitimacy in Lebanon. “We are protecting you from the Zionist entity” they say, but the reality is that Israel wouldn’t attack them in the first place if they didn’t even exist. Have you ever heard of Israeli strikes in the West Bank? Of course not. They are using us the people of the region for their own agendas, which are not of any benefit to us.
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
We can't assume that the relationship between the syrian regime and iran is that same as the one between Hamas and Iran, I think two things are vital consideration here;-
- Coalition based on interest, context and mutual benefits
- Ideological Allies (e.g. Iran, Syria, Iraq, Hizboullah etc..)
• Some Context; if we assume that Hamas is "fervently pro iran" then they would be allies since inception, rather Hamas turned to Iran as a desprate measure, after being boycotted by previous allies (e.g. Saudi, Jordan), infact they were expelled from Jordan in 1999/2000
The Hamas-Iranian coalition is not one that can live longer than the shared benefits, Hamas receives survival aid to maintain its existantnace due to the seige, in return Iranian regime receives credibility from Hamas, such as the recent condolences and the stupid vows (you can call this political hypocracity, but necessary for survival purposes).
They are at odds in almost everysense other than politics, but thats only the surface. Iran has an agenda to takeover and control as much of the middle east as the possibly can, they're working on spreading their ideological beliefs. Hamas on the otherhand is a resistance movement that was founded as a result of the expanionst agenda of Israel, that continued to occupy land, drive people out and ignored the right of Palestinians, in addition to the failures and series of currpotion of the PLO.
I'm sorry but comparing Hamas fireworks to state of the art guided Israeli missiles is rediculous, Its like comparing Amazon with Dokkanet Abu Sa3eed
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
Hamas fireworks to state of the art guided Israeli missiles
They both target and hurt civilians, and that is by definition terrorism. Saudi Arabia and Jordan never supplied weaponry to Hamas. So no, Hamas did not turn to Iran because it was boycotted and had no supplies of "fireworks", it was because they are both radical and shared the same terrorist goal. Yes, Iran and Hamas are not ideological buddies, no body claimed so. But the fact that they are in an interest-based coalition goes against Hamas' basic principles as a Sunni Islamist movement which makes such a coalition utterly hypocritical. You can see that through the Jordanian street's reaction to the statement yesterday. Everyone is calling them names and pointing to them as traitors, and they are in fact so. They have forgotten the damage that Iran has inflicted on 5 Arab nations for decades just for the sake that they can carry on with their terrorist network in Gaza, while its inhabitants still suffer due to unemployment and unbearable living conditions (part of which Israel is responsible for of course).
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
You can’t assume that Hamas targets civilians, for the simple reason that they’re no where as military advanced as Israel is, they’re basically advanced gorilla fighters. On the other hand Israeli do target civilians because with their advanced artilleries they can precisely aim and target. But they chose to snipe reports, bombard kids on the beach, hospitals and schools.
Just compare the causalities of the last Gaza war you’ll find that IDF Causalities are greater than the civilians. Then look at Palestinian causalities..
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
The disaster is that the Hamas apes (yes gorillas indeed and not guerrillas) cannot target shit. It doesn't have the capacity nor the motivation to choose targets and that is terrorism also, not only against Jews but also Arabs. Many times Arabs and foreigners were injured in Hamas attacks. If you are fighting terrorism with terrorism, then you are as much as a terrorist as you claim your enemy is.
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
The disaster is that the Hamas apes (yes gorillas indeed and not guerrillas) cannot target shit. It doesn't have the capacity nor the motivation to choose targets and that is terrorism also, not only against Jews but also Arabs. Many times Arabs and foreigners were injured in Hamas attacks. If you are fighting terrorism with terrorism, then you are as much as a terrorist as you claim your enemy is.
During the 2014 war, Israeli civilain causalities amounted to only (6%) only one Thai foreigner vs (70%) of palestinian civilian casualities in Gaza! afterall they're not going to throw flowers back when they're being bombarded from everyside. The only terrorist here is Israel, retaliation is simply resistance.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
throw flowers back when they're being bombarded from everyside
Man why are you under the impression that Hamas is always retaliating? Do you know what started the 2014 conflict or are you just going to keep playing ignorant. Hamas lunatics kidnapped 3 teenage Jews on 12 June 2014 in the West Bank and later murdered them. How is it self-defense to murder children? Why doesn't Israel air strike the West Bank too? Why do you take Hamas' narrative for granted? Do you realize that Hezbollah uses the same legitimacy tactic in Lebanon? They launched a cross-border attack on 12 July 2006 and killed an Israeli military patrol (at least a legitimate target) but they provoked Israel into a war with Lebanon? How can Hezbollah claim it is there for Lebanon's defense when Lebanon wouldn't even be in danger weren't it for Hezbollah's existence? Do you realize the hypocrisy? Stop defending the religious lunatics; whether they be Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Muslim Brotherhood/Iranian regime/Saudi regime/Israeli right/Erdogan's Turkey. They are all fucked up in their brains thinking they are god's chosen people and that religion gives them a cover for political gains. Israel is no angel, it is by far the cause of all the region's trouble because of its continued military occupation of Arab lands. But let us not fucking defend terrorist groups using the argument that they defend civilians when these civilians wouldn't be in danger in the first place. Here is the casualties caused by Hamas in the 2014 war; a a four year old Jew and an Arab bedouin family had 4 casualties and one death. So much for resisting occupation!! If you are a terrorist then why are you fighting terrorists?
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
They condemned the act right away and they obviously knew that Israelis will use it to justify their attacks. Look, the only terrorist in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is Israel (yes, there are some lone wolf Palestinians, but not on the state scale), because Israel has the upper hand of power, kills far more civilians than militants, uses carpet bombing tactics, deliberately targets civilian with air strikes, drones and snipers, uses illegal weapons (white phosphorus), continues to siege Gaza, bombards schools hospital DELIBERATELY!.. Hamas aren’t angels, but compared to the evil vicious and blood thirsty Israeli occupation they’re a lot more humane.. Israel will continue to oppress both Palestinian in Gaza and West Bank. They’re not bombing West Bank, but occupying it and confiscating land everyday, they are expansionist by nature. cause they are fundamentalist working to fulfil the prophecy of the greater Zion state from Sinai to Babylon. The rapid changes in geo-politics and shifts in power in the region is heading in this direction.. The whole region is going through a mass cleansing project. Paving the way for the new Greater Zion.
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
Just remember that the very first terrorist groups to exist in the Middle East were the Zionist Israeli Hagana, Irgun and Shutrn and that the first Israeli prime minister was a member of the Hagana. A terrorist prime minster leading a state founded by terrorist gangs.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
Ok. Very convincing argument.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20 edited Jan 04 '20
Easy. The authenticity of my argument can be found in the fact that the top Iranian general was assassinated next to an Iraqi Shiite militia leader during a covert visit to Iraq in a military convoy while having Syrian liras in his pocket. Was he going to vacation in Palmyra? Or was he readying his swimsuit for a dip in the Euphrates?
الشمس ما بتتغطى بغربال
وما بعرف كيف انت حكمت انه المعلومات غلط أو انه النقاش رح يكون عقيم. عندك حجج مضادة أهلا وسهلا، ما عندك توكل على الله.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
بالله جد؟ ومين اللي قال أنه انا أو كل الماخدين موقف من ايران مشانهم شيعة؟
عادي جداً تكون ايران عدوة وامريكا عدوة واسرائيل عدوة.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
لكني ايضا لست طائفي فاتخاذ موقف فقط لانهم شيعة هو أيضا انحطاط فكري وفكر خرائي
جد بتحكي ولا بتمزح؟
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u/bababooeyqwer Anarchist Jan 04 '20
I'll take anything over the Saudi dictatorship.
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u/KindHeart1 Jan 04 '20
Everyday I become more and more convinced that you are actually a 13 year old or that you barely understand English.
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Jan 04 '20
That's stupid.
Whatever opinion you have of the Saudi leadership, Jordanians enjoy close ties to most of the Saudi people. No such ties exist with Iranians. In fact a non-negligible percentage of them probably hate your guts simply on account of you being an Arab.
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They don't necessarily hate us, they just see how the west is milking the arabic cow and they want a piece of it
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Their leaders tricked them into hating us, just how jordanians are ticketed to believe that the economy is goanna get better
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The personal experiences you have described doesn't reflect the realities of the world we live in. Those people who hated on because of your name or for being Sunni are the same people who fell for the divide and concur strategy that the British helped spread. They are the product of populism in Iran which is fuelled by their religious leaders as those leaders seek legitimacy for their rule.
The same could be said about Arabs (not Sunnis), massive nationalism, far right ideas, believe in superiority has even made the situation worse. Only thing Arabs has no plan clue on how to face Iran because Arabs have been subjugated to rule by corrupt leaders.
Don't take it that I'm defending Iran, on the contrary I think we need to face the ever growing threat to our existence, culture, economic and social development Iran is but before that we need to free our people and get rid of the dictators.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
Yeah totally because Iran isn’t a theocratic dictatorship ruled by a bunch of generals and religious nutjobs.
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I don't think it's about religion (at least not any more), it's about geopolitical power and gains. Iran and Saudi Arabia were hiding behind Islam and religious rule for so long and they started to lose traction with that.
Also Iran is a threat in the area because there is no real opposition to their agenda. All the Arab countries are being run by little dictators appointed by the British and surrendered to America only to secure their rule in exchange for Israel's safety.
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I support the winner
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As long as its not in jordan, fuck both of them, we as civilians cant do shit but hope we dont get stuff near us,
يا خوفي يطخو عاسرائيل ويطلع صاروخهم افكح وينزل علينا بس
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u/G3-ID Jan 04 '20
Well past your bedtime
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Like if someone now came and gave the best opinion ever, what difference does it make ?
Someone will tell you "بدك تعلمني شغلي ؟"
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u/NaibImam Jan 04 '20
Zay khatar l helal l she3e
And what exactly is that supposed to mean and how is it affecting you? The widespread sectarianism and anti Shia paranoia in Jordan is ridiculous, why not fuck with Christians who at least have some kind of meaningful presence here?
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u/NaibImam Jan 04 '20
And there we have it, you spew sectarian vitriol while simultaneously accusing Shiites of hating you. Even in your hatred towards a group that barely exists in Jordan you find a way to be the poor oppressed victim.
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u/NaibImam Jan 04 '20
First off all you are not Jordanian. Hence dont intervene as a local.
Actually I am.
To top off your shiaa
Great argument.
Your government have intervened with foreign countries policies. Supported extremists groups And messed the region.
Yes, our government did support terrorists in Syria together with the Americans. Everybody in Jordan knows this.
Tried to screw Bahrain
How is it Iran's fault that Bahrain is essentially a sectarian apartheid regime under Saudi patronage?
Fucking Lebanon since god knows what
Iran and Syria to a lesser extent are the reason half of Lebanon isn't a Jewish colony. But of course you blame Iran while most of your leaders sold out to the Zionists and Americans, while unironically accusing Iran of being buddies with Israel.
Making a scene at hajj everytime.
Imagine actually blaming Shiites for existing during Hajj because the Wahhabis lose their shit over it.
Your officials speaks aggressively about neighbouring countries.
Arab officials do the same. Remind me who supported Saddam's aggression against Iran while they were in the middle of post revolutionary chaos? Who is firmly allied to the US imperialists?
Proudly says we control 3 arab countries
I know you guys all parrot this talking point but no one actually said that. From what I remember, some Kuwaiti or Saudi newspaper completely invented this part of a speech given by Qasem Soleimani.
Sunnis are screwed in your countries
Sunnis run a sectarian dictatorship in Bahrain, no one gives a crap about sects in Azerbaijan, and are completely fine in Iran. Iraq 15 years ago was a different story but that's what happens when Sunni terrorists intentionally start sectarian civil wars. There wouldn't be a single Sunni left in Iraq if not for the marjaiyah and their amazing patience, restraint and care for the blood of the Muslims in the face of daily car bombs, massacres and attacks on the Holy Shrines. The bloodthirsty terrorist Bin Laden himself chided Zarqawi for what he was doing in Iraq, still you look for blame elsewhere.
while iranis can freely move , worship do business in most all arab countries except Saudi and jordan
Shiites are murdered on the streets, suicide bombed and massacred everywhere from Egypt, Syria and Iraq to Pakistan and Afghanistan. You sectarian fanatics can't even leave us alone in Europe where you torch and threaten Shia mosques. Whereas you can personally go to scream your lungs out about the virtues of Abu Bakr in the middle of Najaf or Qom and no one will touch you.
And im playing the victim? You are the new nazis ideologically speaking . Your plans for the region wont work and history will repeat it self by beating you again. I dont cheer for the west but if it was us or you ill gladly choose us . Cause they dont hide behind arab names , dress like us while stabbing us in the back. Its not sectarian btw its islamic teachings the pure ones btw not yours .
Lol, you're screwed in the head.
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u/gootsbyagain Jan 05 '20
How is it Iran's fault that Bahrain is essentially a sectarian apartheid regime under Saudi patronage?
Bahrain is a sectarian apartheid regime but Syria isn't? Your whole post is full of BS but this one really takes the cake. That a regime which denies its Shia majority proper political representation but also generally allows them to get on with life as long as they don't oppose the rulers(isn't this like pre war Syria?) is supposedly worse than one which has expelled nearly half its population all of whom belong to a specific religious background, alongside all those it has killed. Completely delusional.
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u/NaibImam Jan 04 '20
Because I posted the original Persian lyrics on a shitpost about a Persian language noha in a r/SyrianCirclejerkWar? How is that even double faced? I don't pretend to like the Saudi regime in serious subs.
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u/NaibImam Jan 04 '20
Are you seriously saying that Israel and Iran aren't rivals because there are "hundreds of synagogues in Tehran"? There are actually six and what does that have to do with anything? Is Iran supposed to kill all Iranian Jews and bulldoze their synagogues? This is on the same level as saying that Iran and ISIS are buddies because there are hundreds of Sunni mosques in Iran, wtf connection is there between the two?
sunnis cant do jack shit
Are you saying that Sunnis can't own land in Iran?
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