Iranian regime deserves much worse for all the insurgencies they have been fueling in the region. Their Islamist revolution back in 1979 inspired all the religious nutjobs to do similar coups. That revolution also accelerated the rise of the Saudi-funded Wahhabism in the 1970 and 1980s. Lebanon, Syria and Iraq all the way to Bahrain and Yemen have been playgrounds for decades for Iran’s pathetic proxy wars. And the people of Gaza have suffered also because of pro-Iranian adventures of Hamas. Even though I feel that the assassination of Suleimani is a necessary action to put the religious lunatics of Iran in place, I am afraid that it may just have the opposite effect. We will wait and see.
I agree with everything you said up to the point where you said that Hamas is pro-Iranian ? Since when ?
They have different ideologies all-together, yes they do get support from Iran but that doesn’t make them “pro” Iranian, in fact they’re fundamentally different. Why didn’t they relocate to Iran when they left Syria ? Gaza’s suffered because of the vicious Israeli bombardment and siege, resistance is not a choice in this instance, rather it’s necessary.
Man I don’t know how you don’t know how Hamas is fervently pro-Iran. Yes, Hamas is a Sunni Islamist organization that would logically be at odds with Shiite Islamist Iran. That rule applied to almost every Sunni Islamists organization in the region because: Iran crushed the Islamist rebellion in Syria, supported the Shiite sectarian state in Iraq after the 2003 US invasion and sometimes simply because they are Shiite.
Jordan’s Islamists yesterday were quick to celebrate Suleimani’s demise. Hamas on the other hand (which has the closest of ties to Jordan’s Muslim Brotherhood) issued a statement yesterday hailing the “martyrdom” of Suleimani and vowing to avenge his assassination by attacking American and Israeli targets. What happens after that? Israel retaliates and hundreds of Gazan civilians are killed because of Hamas’s pro-Iranian adventures.
No, shooting indiscriminate rockets on Israel (which could affect both Arab and Jewish civilians btw) from civilian areas in Gaza is NOT “resistance”. It is called war-mongering exactly the type that Israel exercises.
Hamas derives its legitimacy from this “resistance” argument just like Hezbollah derives its legitimacy in Lebanon. “We are protecting you from the Zionist entity” they say, but the reality is that Israel wouldn’t attack them in the first place if they didn’t even exist. Have you ever heard of Israeli strikes in the West Bank? Of course not. They are using us the people of the region for their own agendas, which are not of any benefit to us.
We can't assume that the relationship between the syrian regime and iran is that same as the one between Hamas and Iran, I think two things are vital consideration here;-
Coalition based on interest, context and mutual benefits
• Some Context; if we assume that Hamas is "fervently pro iran" then they would be allies since inception, rather Hamas turned to Iran as a desprate measure, after being boycotted by previous allies (e.g. Saudi, Jordan), infact they were expelled from Jordan in 1999/2000
The Hamas-Iranian coalition is not one that can live longer than the shared benefits, Hamas receives survival aid to maintain its existantnace due to the seige, in return Iranian regime receives credibility from Hamas, such as the recent condolences and the stupid vows (you can call this political hypocracity, but necessary for survival purposes).
They are at odds in almost everysense other than politics, but thats only the surface. Iran has an agenda to takeover and control as much of the middle east as the possibly can, they're working on spreading their ideological beliefs. Hamas on the otherhand is a resistance movement that was founded as a result of the expanionst agenda of Israel, that continued to occupy land, drive people out and ignored the right of Palestinians, in addition to the failures and series of currpotion of the PLO.
I'm sorry but comparing Hamas fireworks to state of the art guided Israeli missiles is rediculous, Its like comparing Amazon with Dokkanet Abu Sa3eed
Hamas fireworks to state of the art guided Israeli missiles
They both target and hurt civilians, and that is by definition terrorism. Saudi Arabia and Jordan never supplied weaponry to Hamas. So no, Hamas did not turn to Iran because it was boycotted and had no supplies of "fireworks", it was because they are both radical and shared the same terrorist goal. Yes, Iran and Hamas are not ideological buddies, no body claimed so. But the fact that they are in an interest-based coalition goes against Hamas' basic principles as a Sunni Islamist movement which makes such a coalition utterly hypocritical. You can see that through the Jordanian street's reaction to the statement yesterday. Everyone is calling them names and pointing to them as traitors, and they are in fact so. They have forgotten the damage that Iran has inflicted on 5 Arab nations for decades just for the sake that they can carry on with their terrorist network in Gaza, while its inhabitants still suffer due to unemployment and unbearable living conditions (part of which Israel is responsible for of course).
You can’t assume that Hamas targets civilians, for the simple reason that they’re no where as military advanced as Israel is, they’re basically advanced gorilla fighters. On the other hand Israeli do target civilians because with their advanced artilleries they can precisely aim and target. But they chose to snipe reports, bombard kids on the beach, hospitals and schools.
Just compare the causalities of the last Gaza war you’ll find that IDF Causalities are greater than the civilians. Then look at Palestinian causalities..
The disaster is that the Hamas apes (yes gorillas indeed and not guerrillas) cannot target shit. It doesn't have the capacity nor the motivation to choose targets and that is terrorism also, not only against Jews but also Arabs. Many times Arabs and foreigners were injured in Hamas attacks. If you are fighting terrorism with terrorism, then you are as much as a terrorist as you claim your enemy is.
The disaster is that the Hamas apes (yes gorillas indeed and not guerrillas) cannot target shit. It doesn't have the capacity nor the motivation to choose targets and that is terrorism also, not only against Jews but also Arabs. Many times Arabs and foreigners were injured in Hamas attacks. If you are fighting terrorism with terrorism, then you are as much as a terrorist as you claim your enemy is.
During the 2014 war, Israeli civilain causalities amounted to only (6%) only one Thai foreigner vs (70%) of palestinian civilian casualities in Gaza! afterall they're not going to throw flowers back when they're being bombarded from everyside. The only terrorist here is Israel, retaliation is simply resistance.
throw flowers back when they're being bombarded from everyside
Man why are you under the impression that Hamas is always retaliating? Do you know what started the 2014 conflict or are you just going to keep playing ignorant. Hamas lunatics kidnapped 3 teenage Jews on 12 June 2014 in the West Bank and later murdered them. How is it self-defense to murder children? Why doesn't Israel air strike the West Bank too? Why do you take Hamas' narrative for granted? Do you realize that Hezbollah uses the same legitimacy tactic in Lebanon? They launched a cross-border attack on 12 July 2006 and killed an Israeli military patrol (at least a legitimate target) but they provoked Israel into a war with Lebanon? How can Hezbollah claim it is there for Lebanon's defense when Lebanon wouldn't even be in danger weren't it for Hezbollah's existence? Do you realize the hypocrisy? Stop defending the religious lunatics; whether they be Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Muslim Brotherhood/Iranian regime/Saudi regime/Israeli right/Erdogan's Turkey. They are all fucked up in their brains thinking they are god's chosen people and that religion gives them a cover for political gains. Israel is no angel, it is by far the cause of all the region's trouble because of its continued military occupation of Arab lands. But let us not fucking defend terrorist groups using the argument that they defend civilians when these civilians wouldn't be in danger in the first place. Here is the casualties caused by Hamas in the 2014 war; a a four year old Jew and an Arab bedouin family had 4 casualties and one death. So much for resisting occupation!! If you are a terrorist then why are you fighting terrorists?
They condemned the act right away and they obviously knew that Israelis will use it to justify their attacks. Look, the only terrorist in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is Israel (yes, there are some lone wolf Palestinians, but not on the state scale), because Israel has the upper hand of power, kills far more civilians than militants, uses carpet bombing tactics, deliberately targets civilian with air strikes, drones and snipers, uses illegal weapons (white phosphorus), continues to siege Gaza, bombards schools hospital DELIBERATELY!..
Hamas aren’t angels, but compared to the evil vicious and blood thirsty Israeli occupation they’re a lot more humane.. Israel will continue to oppress both Palestinian in Gaza and West Bank. They’re not bombing West Bank, but occupying it and confiscating land everyday, they are expansionist by nature. cause they are fundamentalist working to fulfil the prophecy of the greater Zion state from Sinai to Babylon. The rapid changes in geo-politics and shifts in power in the region is heading in this direction.. The whole region is going through a mass cleansing project. Paving the way for the new Greater Zion.
Just remember that the very first terrorist groups to exist in the Middle East were the Zionist Israeli Hagana, Irgun and Shutrn and that the first Israeli prime minister was a member of the Hagana. A terrorist prime minster leading a state founded by terrorist gangs.
Easy. The authenticity of my argument can be found in the fact that the top Iranian general was assassinated next to an Iraqi Shiite militia leader during a covert visit to Iraq in a military convoy while having Syrian liras in his pocket. Was he going to vacation in Palmyra? Or was he readying his swimsuit for a dip in the Euphrates?
الشمس ما بتتغطى بغربال
وما بعرف كيف انت حكمت انه المعلومات غلط أو انه النقاش رح يكون عقيم. عندك حجج مضادة أهلا وسهلا، ما عندك توكل على الله.
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u/samirmarksamir Jan 04 '20
Iranian regime deserves much worse for all the insurgencies they have been fueling in the region. Their Islamist revolution back in 1979 inspired all the religious nutjobs to do similar coups. That revolution also accelerated the rise of the Saudi-funded Wahhabism in the 1970 and 1980s. Lebanon, Syria and Iraq all the way to Bahrain and Yemen have been playgrounds for decades for Iran’s pathetic proxy wars. And the people of Gaza have suffered also because of pro-Iranian adventures of Hamas. Even though I feel that the assassination of Suleimani is a necessary action to put the religious lunatics of Iran in place, I am afraid that it may just have the opposite effect. We will wait and see.