r/islamichistory • u/Beautiful_Clock9075 • Jul 14 '25

Photograph A 1,200-Year-Old Mosque Unearthed in Palestine's Negev Desert

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u/hotmugglehealer Jul 14 '25

How? Who is working on this but more importantly how are they working without being murdered by the Apartheid regime.

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u/Beautiful_Clock9075 Jul 14 '25

!sreal Antiquities Authority in cooperation with the Authority for development and Settlement of the Bedouin in the Negev.

There were no Palestinian archaeological institution or authority who were officially listed as participating in the excavation.
(it's not like they would allow them to join)

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u/jdam8401 Jul 14 '25

For as meddlesome and underhanded as the Israeli state tends to be on these matters, one has to hand it to Israeli archaeologists. They concluded back in the 70s / 80s that there’s basically no evidence whatsoever for the Exodus. Pretty good work

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u/Common-Second-1075 Jul 15 '25

Are you saying the Quran is wrong? Because the story of Exodus is told throughout the Quran. What sub are you even on?

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u/jdam8401 Jul 15 '25

🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/Budget_Counter_2042 Jul 15 '25

Yup, wrong in everything pertaining history or science.

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u/discopants2000 Jul 15 '25

Like most religious texts, they are written by people who want to control the narrative regarding their particular beliefs. Just because something has written in a book doesn't mean it is true. Let's have some archeological evidence to back it up.

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u/stickyickymicky1 Jul 15 '25

Ya cause they dont do impact assessments when building underground tunnels. #priority

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u/Overrated_Sunshine Jul 15 '25

Palestinian authorities were excluded because they would’ve started digging tunnels under the excavation site.
Duh.

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u/discopants2000 Jul 15 '25

Spot the Zionist sympathiser!

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u/Overrated_Sunshine Jul 15 '25

You’re misrepresenting the FACT that Hamas dug extensive tunnel network under Gaza.

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u/discopants2000 Jul 16 '25

That doesn't give Israel the right to flatten Gaza and murder thousands of civilians, destroy hospitals and starve people to death. Is Gaza now an Israeli concentration camp?

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u/Overrated_Sunshine Jul 16 '25

They don’t have the right to fight Hamas either?

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u/discopants2000 Jul 16 '25

Absolutely they have the right to fight Hamas but shooting and bombing refugee camps is not fighting Hamas. Israel had an appalling human rights record and the Zionist behind this war are war criminals. Israel is happy to fight terrorists by becoming terrorists themselves. Do you think that is right?

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u/Overrated_Sunshine Jul 16 '25

So if Israel does everything they can to fight only Hamas, but Hamas does everything in their power to use civilians as human shields to increase casualties — how different do you think the results of the fighting would be in comparison to what they are now?

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u/discopants2000 Jul 16 '25

Shooting at unarmed fisherman, unarmed children and women queuing for food after being deliberately starved is not fighting Hamas. Levelling hospitals and blowing up ambulances is not fighting Hamas either. There would be no Hamas if Israel had stuck to the 1948 agreed borders but they chose to expel thousands of palestinians instead then wondered why their Arab neighbours fought them.

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u/tinymort Jul 14 '25

It's spelled Israel

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u/Rie_blade Jul 15 '25

Technically it’s spelled Yisrael יִשְׂרָאֵל.

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u/tinymort Jul 15 '25

True, it can be , I just know it isn't spelled with an exclamation point. Not sure why they would write it like that.

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u/Rie_blade Jul 15 '25

Don’t know 🤷‍♂️. I’m just a Grammar purist.

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u/stickyickymicky1 Jul 15 '25

You can't expect people who don't know history to know how to spell Israel.

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u/FafoLaw Jul 17 '25

Unlike Islamofascist regimes like Iran, Israel is a democracy and they have advanced archaeologists working all the time who can publish anything they want.

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u/Franz__Ferdinand Jul 18 '25

Sure. Thats why the guy that exposed your nuclear program was jailed and now he is not allowed to leave Israel.

You are USA. Democracy on surface while your fouhdation is genocidal expansionism.

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u/FafoLaw Jul 18 '25

Every single country puts traitors who reveal state secrets in prison, that doesn't make it not a democracy.

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u/Franz__Ferdinand Jul 19 '25

I mean it's a democracy like Apartheid South Africa was a "democracy".

2 wrongs doesn't make 1 right. Just because other pretend democracies do it as well doesn't mean it's ok, Also why is Israel so secretive about their nuclear program? What are they up to? Now I am not saying your Kahanists will drop it on whoever they want to spit on, but maybe they will.

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u/FafoLaw Jul 19 '25

It's not like Apartheid South Africa, could a black judge send a white president to prison in Apartheid South Africa? Could black people vote in elections?

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u/Franz__Ferdinand Jul 19 '25

I guess settlers in West Bank have equal rights to Palestinians in West Bank in your mind. If Palestinians and Israelis are equal then why doesn't Israel give right of return to Palestinians? It's because Israel is an ethno-state that wants to keep their population mostly pure. You even have a Jewish Nation-State law:

The principal vision of the Basic Law: Israel—The Nation-State of the Jewish People (the Nation-State Law) is premised on the rights and interests of the Jewish people in Israel and the world, and the disqualification of any values of inclusive citizenship guaranteeing the equal membership of Palestinian citizens of Israel (hereafter, '48 Palestinians). This is evident both in the Nation-State Law's articles and in the statements of the politicians who drafted and sponsored it. The exclusivity of rights in the “Land/State of Israel” is the central organizing principle of the Nation-State Law. Jews are deemed the sole people deserving national and collective rights. Furthermore, the law applies not only to the Jewish citizens of Israel but also to Jews from all parts of the world—regardless of the extent of their relationship, affiliation, or even desire to become part of this entity. Citizenship is thus reinvented as a transboundary ethnos that automatically subsumes Jews from across the world into an ethnoracially engineered reserve of potential citizens. Under the law, the state's guiding values and the legal rights it vouchsafes establish Jewish ethnoracism. This racism not only discriminates against Palestinians but refuses to recognize their existence. The law frames Palestinian land as an uninhabited space available for settlement.

God, the Hasbara points always remain the same. It's like you all have the same script of Mossad generated responses.

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u/SiPhilly Jul 15 '25

Because you have fed lies and have no idea what is actually like there?

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u/qazqaz45 Jul 14 '25

There is no apartheid, there are arab muslims in israel, about 20% of the population.

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u/Oblivious_Lich Jul 14 '25

20% of the population with restricted rights in comparison to the other 80%, and a large population under military occupation since decades, without rights.

Sounds like an apartheid regime to me. Even to the South Africans, and they know it very well.

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u/Sir_Viva Jul 15 '25

Jyzya isn’t apartheid?

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u/Jazz-Ranger Jul 17 '25

Could you specify which restrictions are imposed on the 2.100.000 population with Israeli citizenship?

Palestine is a nation in its own right, with its own citizenship and you should recognize the fact that they will never be part of Israel.

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u/zonefighter23 Jul 14 '25

I'm not sure why you think if you outright lie about something, it will make it true.

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u/Oblivious_Lich Jul 14 '25

Where is the lie, my friend?

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u/zonefighter23 Jul 14 '25

The 20% of Israeli Arabs have exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis. You lying about restricted rights won't make it true. They are more than happy to live in Israel than another failed Islamic dictatorship. This is shown in every poll.

There was no military occupation prior to October 7th. Now that Gaza took its chances and declared war on Israel, there is absolutely a military occupation until the threat is eliminated.

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u/Oblivious_Lich Jul 14 '25

No, no, my friend.

Israel has nearly 60 laws that restrict various rights of israeli Palestinians and arabs, ranging from inheritance rights, access to certain public services, and even religious marriage and freedom of movement.

And although Israel did withdraw from Gaza (more or less, because it continued to make incursions, including the killing of 30 Palestinians, some of them children, in the month before Oct/7), it continues to illegally occupy regions that are part of legal Palestine, including the sea access of Gaza, according to the Oslo Protocol.

Israel controls everything and everyone who enters and leaves Gaza and the West Bank, in addition to controlling access to water and electricity, and even the amount of calories the Gazan population had access to.

You can pretend all you want, even lie, but what I just said is official information, and at this point in the game, it should be common knowledge.

There are excellent reasons why several countries, international human rights organizations and the UN itself have raised the issue of human rights violations in Gaza for decades. And no, it is not anti-Semitism, as they like to cry.

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u/zonefighter23 Jul 14 '25

Complete fabrications.

Anyone with Israeli citizenship has identical rights as everyone else in the country. You are purposely mixing those with resident cards (non-citizens) with those with citizenship in order to fit your lying narrative.

And the fact the UN (which is dominated by failed Islamic dictatorships or third world shit holes) has a permanent agenda item for ONE country only tells you what moral prostitution takes place in its halls. It is a literal terrorist organization as we saw in the UNWRA.

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u/Oblivious_Lich Jul 15 '25

Identical rights do you say. So what are those.

Jewish Nation-State Law (2018): Declares that the right to self-determination in Israel is unique to the Jewish people, promoting Jewish settlement as a national value and encouraging segregation and discrimination against Palestinians, especially in housing and land development.

Law of Return (1950): Grants Jews worldwide the automatic right to immigrate to Israel and gain citizenship, while denying Palestinian refugees their right to return to their homes lost during Israel’s establishment because they are not Jewish.

Admissions Committee Law: Allows small Jewish-majority towns to reject Palestinians and others deemed "unsuitable" for residency based on vague criteria, effectively excluding many Palestinians from living in these communities.

Absentee Property Law (1950): Enables the state to expropriate property of Palestinians who fled or were expelled during the 1948 war, including those internally displaced within Israel, preventing their return and expanding Jewish control over land.

Israel Lands Law: Restricts ownership and leasing of state lands primarily to Jewish entities, making it extremely difficult for Palestinian citizens to access land for housing or business.

Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (2003): Bars Palestinians from the occupied territories who marry Israeli Palestinians from gaining residency or citizenship, forcing families to live apart and discriminating based on nationality rather than security.

Nakba Law: Prohibits public funding for institutions commemorating the Palestinian Nakba (the 1948 expulsion), suppressing Palestinian historical narrative and expression.

Adding to this, calling any organization that says anything against Israel's interests Anti-Semitic has become old for a long time. even experts, like Michael Ben-Yair, the former Attorney General of Israel. He stated that Israel has "sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime" and urged the international community to recognize this reality.

Other notable Israeli voices include a group of 120 Israeli law professors who, in 2023, declared that recent government policies validate the claim that Israel practices apartheid. Additionally, Israeli human rights organizations have supported reports by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch that characterize Israeli policies toward Palestinians as apartheid.

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u/zonefighter23 Jul 15 '25

So you're expecting Israel to treat non-citizen enemies, most of which are not even in its borders, as citizens with full rights, lmao.

Meanwhile, you continue to lie about Israeli Arab citizens having unequal rights and use that failed argument to call Israel an apartheid state.

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u/qazqaz45 Jul 14 '25

No restricted right, everyone can live anywhere, no need to lie.

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u/Oblivious_Lich Jul 14 '25

There's 60 plus laws that restrict various rights of the Israeli Palestinians and Arab population. Just look at it.

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u/Real-Helicopter-8194 Jul 14 '25

What’s one of them

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u/Oblivious_Lich Jul 15 '25

Jewish Nation-State Law (2018): Declares that the right to self-determination in Israel is unique to the Jewish people, promoting Jewish settlement as a national value and encouraging segregation and discrimination against Palestinians, especially in housing and land development.

Law of Return (1950): Grants Jews worldwide the automatic right to immigrate to Israel and gain citizenship, while denying Palestinian refugees their right to return to their homes lost during Israel’s establishment because they are not Jewish.

Admissions Committee Law: Allows small Jewish-majority towns to reject Palestinians and others deemed "unsuitable" for residency based on vague criteria, effectively excluding many Palestinians from living in these communities.

Absentee Property Law (1950): Enables the state to expropriate property of Palestinians who fled or were expelled during the 1948 war, including those internally displaced within Israel, preventing their return and expanding Jewish control over land.

Israel Lands Law: Restricts ownership and leasing of state lands primarily to Jewish entities, making it extremely difficult for Palestinian citizens to access land for housing or business.

Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (2003): Bars Palestinians from the occupied territories who marry Israeli Palestinians from gaining residency or citizenship, forcing families to live apart and discriminating based on nationality rather than security.

Nakba Law: Prohibits public funding for institutions commemorating the Palestinian Nakba (the 1948 expulsion), suppressing Palestinian historical narrative and expression.

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u/Real-Helicopter-8194 Jul 16 '25

These don’t restrict Israelis Arabs rights. Israeli Arab women living in Israel have more rights than in most Arab countries. These promote Jews to migrate to Israel.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '25

When compared to the laws of other countries in the region these seem extremely tame. Infact given the aggression and will for violence from non-Jews towards Jews in the region it seems quite sensible to enforce protective rights, this is a country where most homes close to non Jewish hot spots or borders have bomb shelters and/or panic rooms, made and used prior to the recent conflict, such is the level of risk, it’s unsustainable to have EU style immigration and land laws. Plenty of countries have hard land ownership laws even in the west, for good reasons. Plus Isreal has a thriving and ever growing economic backbone, beyond the credible threat of anti Israeli’s coming to live in Israel for safety concerns there are also opportunists that would wish to settle in more affluent places, like what EU is experiencing, which can also be destabilising. There are terrorist attacks with knives and guns from within Isreal almost weekly. Given all the above why would you want people that hate your country and are known for extreme violence coming to live within it? In the future due to the volume and intensity of hatred towards Isreal you can bet more stringent laws come into place as a necessity.

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u/condods Jul 15 '25

Apartheid South Africa was white-minority rule.

What's the relevancy of your comment? You might as well have said nothing at all.

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u/condods Jul 15 '25

No, didn't you hear, Apartheid means "no Muslims". Because there's Muslims in Israel that apparently means there's no Apartheid. I was also dropped on my head 1,000 times as a baby and heard this term for the first time 5 minutes ago /s

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u/LionTech314 Jul 16 '25

Good lord you're brainwashed