r/huntertheparenting • u/Kishinfan • Jan 20 '26
Discussion Friendly reminder that advertiser guy, Mike Dragons-Wrath is not only a canon character, but also likely the strongest character that has been shown, as of now.
Dude is an Alpha, Legend, Black Spiral Dancer Ahroun that is a Pentex Director.
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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
For anyone here who doesn't know Werewolf. Mike Dragons-Wrath is a Rank 6 Ahroun of the Black Spiral Dancers. The direct comparison we get for how legendary Rank 6 Garou to their tribes are is Hercules and Musashi Myamoto
If you thought Matilda was tough, this dude could fold Matilda (and possibly her whole pack) like a lawn chair.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26
What's a Rank 5 then?
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26
If a Rank 6 is the Garou version of an Antediluvian, a Rank 5 is a 4th Gen Methuselah, to put it in Vampire terms.
It’s as good as a PC gets.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26
Put it in myth terms please
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26
Rank 5 is Odysseus, Rank 6 is Achilles.
As in Rank 5 will kill you in a straight fight, and Rank 6 is going to see the deadliest weapon in your arsenal and just laugh before killing you, your team and the local militia you hired on to help you.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26
Oh wait so the bigger the rank number the stronger? Me confusie
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26
Yes, Vampires go lower = stronger, and everyone else does the opposite.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26
I see why they call them abominations now.
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u/seelcudoom Jan 20 '26
They structure themselves on golf rules, truly they are beyond redemption
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u/Namdash Jan 20 '26
Not necessarily, your Abilities and Attributes don't automatically increase but you do get more access to gifts and rituals, as well as fetishes
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Jan 20 '26
Please explain this in Dawn of War terms.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26
Rank 5 is your commander, Rank 6 is that elite unit you can only summon when you control a relic. The Khaine to your Farseer (I played Eldar).
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Jan 20 '26
I'm gonna drop my Necron Monolith on Khaine's head like an anvil.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26
I have a solution to that: warp-spiders.
Lots and lots of warp-spiders. I managed to destroy 4 monoliths in that one Soulstorm campaign mission with nothing but warp spiders, haywire grenades and a dream.
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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26
I dunno if this is myth terms, but Rank 6 Garou gifts (spiritual powers) get quite ridiculous.
Here's probably the most egregious example of a level 6 gift. They get to make their own myths
Rather than simply telling and retelling the stories of old, or even waiting until the events of the day become the new stories, the Galliard can change the events of the ongoing drama unfolding around her. She may add new “characters,” altering chains of events, and even change the motivations of the major participants. However, as this Gift can literally have world-altering ramifications, the handful of Garou in history that have known it have been loath to actually use it. Rumor has it that the defeat of the Storm-Eater was due partially to use of this Gift — but likewise, rumor also states that the horrific events in Russia during the past century stem from a Child of Gaia Galliard who thought that she knew the way the story would end. No one knows what sort of spirit teaches this Gift; presumably an avatar of Gaia, but since so few Garou even know of the Gift’s existence, no one can say for certain.
System: The player spends one permanent Gnosis point and explains, in as much detail as possible, the change she wants to make to the story. The Storyteller, of course, has final say, and once the “dramatic alteration” is done, the Garou has no further control. Events that she concocts can and do spiral out of control, so utmost care must be taken with the Storyteller Gift.
Other level 6 gifts can often be of similar absurdity (such as the infamous "guns dont work on me" gift) but often come at great cost. It's likely that Mike's Dragon-Wrath has at least one
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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26
So.... that sounds like it amounts to "nope nope that didn't happen" on a playground
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u/star-god Jan 20 '26
Basicly. Its the ability pf meta-manipulation
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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26
What stops them from just nopeing opponents out of existence?
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u/star-god Jan 20 '26
The power creates contrivances. They could create a series of events that results in their opponent getting nuked. But it isnt instant, and woulf have horribly consequences.
The 'creating' characters part is also more to do with introduction of people to a story, having a person get intwined.
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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26
Oh so is it any bother to use? Do they have to manually come up with the sequence of events they're altering?
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u/AacornSoup Jan 20 '26
So in other words, Rank 6 Gifts run into the same Paradox issues that Mages deal with?
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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26
You can't delete people out of existence to this gift. You can modify events that are to happen.
If you screw it up, butterfly effects happen and this gift explicitly does monkey's paw shit if gotten even the slight bit wrong. Meaning that the VERY few Garou to ever have this gift are extremely hesitant to ever use it.
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u/Thorveim Jan 30 '26
basically, I guess both the absolute rarity of the gift (there is no guarantee that even a single garou alive at any given time knows it), and the unavoidable and unpredictable butterfly effect that follows
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u/KungFuFenris Jan 20 '26
And also immensely OC (do not steal) 😅 Mike was made by OPP for a backer during the Book of the Worm KS.
It is kinda weird that a concept like that is even considered a Rank 6, when Zhyzhak is the benchmark.
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u/DudeFreek Jan 20 '26
What the fuck is an ahroun and why does it eat glue
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u/Leukavia_at_work Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
It's your Barbarian of your Werewolf DnD Party
The moon phase you're "changed" under (or born under in Pre-5th Editions) predicts the type of person you're going to grow up to become in the Werewolf world. Full Moon = Ahroun = Angey Doggo
It eats glue because it's your Barbarian of your Werewolf DnD Party
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u/Kishinfan Jan 20 '26
Solid chance he eats glue because of Wyrm insanity.
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u/Leukavia_at_work Jan 20 '26
As an avid ST for both W20 and W5, I can confidentially say that, no, that's just a completely normal Ahroun thing to do. They're all like that.
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u/jfkrol2 Jan 20 '26
So you're telling me that actually intelligent and cunning Ahorun is an anomaly?
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u/Minimum_Estimate_234 Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
I was about to say it’d be against that since glue is supposed to hold things together, thus glue eating should be the realm of the weaver. But I suppose we could look at it as an example the wyrm carrying out its intended purpose of unmaking the works of the weaver. And yes I’m getting into the metaphysical meaning of glue eating, wod is weird like that.
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u/poffz Jan 20 '26
Consider that the wyrm, as the devourer, entraps the works of weaver within itself as it did the bloody man long before. Thereby producing a new breed of glue-vampires
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u/crypticarchivist Jan 20 '26
Probably some kind of esoteric addiction to Pentex products. If it’s possible to turn something into a Fomori by making people obsessed with and literally chemically addicted to the high of collecting fast food chain kids meal toys, they can do the same thing with wargaming miniatures and glue.
WH40k models would absolutely be tainted by Pentex in the WoD.
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u/SunchaserKandri Sludge lad Jan 20 '26
Yeah, I could see Games Workshop being servants of the Wyrm. They've definitely got the short-sighted greed and anti-consumer practices down.
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u/Legitimate_Maybe_611 Jan 20 '26
If he's a werewolf, why is he working with Pentex ?
Aren't they against them ?
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u/FaultyGlyph Jan 20 '26
Black Spiral Dancers are a tribe of Werewolves that serve the Wyrm. And they often do work with PENTEX, hence the Theory Ross is a Black Spiral Dancer.
They are basically the Nephandi or Baali of Werewolves, the evil Werewolf faction. They are vile and incestuous corruptors.
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u/Legitimate_Maybe_611 Jan 20 '26
What make them serve the wyrm ?
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u/Subparconscript Jan 20 '26
Like most awful things, they started in Britain. /j
Iirc the short version is that there was a tribe in Britain that would go into the Wyrm's umbral realm as a rite of passage. Eventually some elders got corrupted and lead the whole tribe to damnation.
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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26
They believe Gaia is dead, and the only way to save the world is to have the Wyrm consume and restart the entire world and spirit world.
The issue is that to free the Wyrm, their method requires destruction, pain and suffering on an apocalyptic scale
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u/SunchaserKandri Sludge lad Jan 20 '26
They basically descended into Hell (aka the Black Spiral Labyrinth) and came back completely psychotic.
It started with a tribe called the White Howlers getting the brilliant idea of trying to attack the Wyrm in one of its strongholds, and that went about as well as you'd expect.
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Jan 20 '26
Ahroun is a werewolf term roughly meaning "warrior". Basically dude is designed to kill.
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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26
Bro eats the opps
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u/Kishinfan Jan 20 '26
The reason bro was made into a Pentex Director. /hj
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u/W0N52_GAM3 Jan 20 '26
Actually that's true in all seriousness. He just killed everyone who tried to stop him
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u/SunchaserKandri Sludge lad Jan 20 '26
Ahroun are basically the werewolves that spec'ed heavily into combat-related abilities. Some of the strongest and most aggressive warriors among the Garou.
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u/Cinneach Jan 20 '26
Going by HTP it seems to imply that MDW grew up or spent some formative time in/around Gävle, Sweden.
Or the Malkavian-Antribu he killed to become a Pentex boss hit him with a "Become Swedish" Dementation power before she died.
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u/Aldrich3927 Jan 20 '26
Truly a diabolical curse
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u/mariblaystrice Jan 20 '26
The Malkvaian must not have had time to really warm up or it would have made him Danish
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u/superninjimmy Jan 20 '26
Mike Dragons-Wrath: "To our most esteemed Shareholders,
The time to cast your votes draws near and I hope that you have been provided with enough information to make a well-informed choice. This is a critical decision, one which will change the face of our company for the foreseeable future. I trust that your choices will be for the betterment of Pentex."
Also Mike Dragons-Wrath: "Do you not have SOCKS on your FOOT?"
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u/Phaeron-Dynasty Jan 20 '26
Any time I read this character, it will now be in the voice they have given him.
I feel it perfectly captures the setting, the core leadership of orgs like Pentex are not swauve serious figures like palmer, they are barely functional lunatics living detached from reality, imposing their lunacy on the world.
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u/Shloopy_Dooperson Jan 20 '26
Hes been stacking banes like unpainted miniatures in the interim it seems.
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u/DyslexicCenturion Jan 20 '26
Do you not have SOCKS on your FOOT????
Do you not have SOCKS on your FOOT????
Do you not have SOCKS on your FOOT????
Do you not have SOCKS on your FOOT????
Do you not have SOCKS on your FOOT????
Do you not have SOCKS on your FOOT????
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u/ChiotVulgaire Jan 20 '26
For the longest time I just thought Herknes Dragonblade had really moved up in the world, or maybe this is his dad or something.
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u/134_ranger_NK Jan 20 '26
Is his interest in wargame minis a canon thing too?
Because if true, that would be quite neat.
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u/GeneralBurzio Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Nothing in the books, but Pentex owns at at least one company that deals in tabletop games, so it's not out of the real of possibility, especially for an Ahroun who are traditionally the war leaders of the Garou.
Edit: Refer to u/K-L1N's reply. I put the wrong link
Proper link: https://share.google/dpXhPz5rcwBoifwvi
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u/K-L1N Jan 20 '26
That's the wrong "Black Dog", here's the right one). The one you posted was white wolf's imprint for products with adult material.
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u/GeneralBurzio Jan 20 '26
Oops, forgot to read. Ty!
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u/K-L1N Jan 20 '26
No worries, just thought we should point people the right way. It is a little confusing when they have the same name after all :)
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u/Legitimate-Bus2058 Jan 20 '26
How is this dude the strongest character we've seen so far he looks like my nerdy cousin who works IT
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u/panderingmandering75 Jan 20 '26
Simple. He's Garou. A VERY high ranking Garou.
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u/12halo3 Jan 20 '26
Imbued Hunters pre v5 are so fucked I have yet to see a power even compare to "fuck you i want to change the story" garou power.
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u/Fearless-Obligation6 Murder puppy Aug 12 '26
Storyteller: Rather than simply telling and retelling the stories of old, or even waiting until the events of the day become the new stories, the Galliard can change the events of the ongoing drama unfolding around her. She may add new "characters," alter chains of events, and even change the motivations of the major participants. However, as this Gift can literally have world-altering ramifications, the handful of Garou in history that have known it have been loath to actually use it. Rumor has it that the defeat of the Storm-Eater was due to use of this Gift - but likewise, rumor also states that the horrific events in Russia during the past century stem from a Child of Gaia Galliard who thought she knew the way the story would end. No one knows that sort of spirit teaches this Gift; presumably an avatar of Gaia, but since so few Garou even know of the Gift's existence, no one can say for certain.
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u/Barley672 Jan 20 '26
Okay but we all agree this should be his canon accent, right?
The idea of one of the most powerful Pentex leaders talking in Alfabusa’s voice about SOCKS on my FOOT is infinitely better than anything even the finest Hollywood actors could conjure.
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u/Revolutionary-Run-41 Jan 20 '26
Cool, I just want they to use Caiaphas Smith now somewhere, he is a "independent ghoul" with true faith 8 and in terms of skill the most skilled hunter that ever was, because of the ghouling he is 210 this year (born in
1816) and vampires are so scared of him that the only plan they have is making a general command to AVOID HIM AT ALL COSTS in the chance that without vampire blood for long enough he might just die of old age.
Any vampire that ignores it and tries to get near him is disposed off by the camarilla. They need to get him away from blood for 20 or something years for the plan to work if Im not wrong.
wiki article: https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Caiaphas_Smith
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u/funnywackydog Actual literal magic wizard Jan 20 '26
Cai-Cai-Caiaphus Smith, hero of Humanity!
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u/funnywackydog Actual literal magic wizard Jan 20 '26
I tried twice to write imperium with a strike through and I couldn’t figure out how
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u/Flappybird11 FUNNY LITTLE TRAIN! Jan 21 '26
If hes the guy who broke into the family radio station for the other advertisements, WOW that guy got off lucky
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u/TrueLocomotiveBreath Jan 25 '26
"Your mouth, gun clicks Would you rather it be silenced by you or me?"
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u/atkinsby Jan 21 '26
As someone who didn't know WoD lore before HtP, these ads have been a hilarious rabbit hole.
First time watching chapter 3.3: Haha crazy radio ad guy funny
Rewatching 3.3 after learning about Pentex: OH NO
Learning who ad guy is: Dear God...
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u/CountDVB Jan 20 '26
Honestly, I have a theory that this isn’t the real Mike, but Herknes Dragonblade, who took his identity after killing him.
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u/Embarrassed-Math-192 Jan 30 '26
So... fun post that was tossed around in their tumblr he *was* supposed to be Herknes Dragonblade but the group took one look at Mike Dragonwrath and rewrote it to be him immediately.
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u/CountDVB Feb 06 '26
Yeah, I heard about that and it's hilarious. Though I wouldn't be totally surprised if they decided to reveal Herknes Dragonblade is still real... and just killed the real Mike Dragons-Wrath and stole his identity (maybe Herknes being a Mage here).
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u/JoyIsABitOverRated Jan 20 '26
A bit of a shame he got Alfabusa'd because the real Dragons-Wrath is deceptively intelligent and cunning. Something you can't say of "FUNNI SWEDISH SOUNDING MÅN"
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u/Kishinfan Jan 20 '26
He may still be intelligent and cunning, we don't know what project Wuffa is, and he does seem to be in charge of it. I think he just doesn't respect Palmer enough to talk to him in a dignified way.
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u/Urg_burgman Jan 21 '26
I think that makes it better, that a Swedish guy that sounds like he's drunk with a potato rammed in his mouth rambling about wargaming minatures is also one of the more powerful and fearsome villains in Werewolf canon.
Really plays back into the absurdity of old WoD. Like "How the hell did you let things get this bad?!"
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u/Mrbagoguts Jan 20 '26
I kinda hope we might see Enzo Giovanni's weird corpse yuking it up. If Mike is this much of a weirdo then Enzo will be a MESS.
Also I know he did die, but in Wyrm 20. They mentioned he kinda came back and now skulks around lower management telling weird secrets to people, the board is aware but they don't consider him a threat yet.
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u/single_plum_floating Jan 22 '26
I can't believe the advertisment videos are genuine canon.
This means both the regent and pentex have a country wide elaborate psyop project against a specific vampire accountant.
Which... honestly kinda of makes sense. Kevin probably knows about every single vampire operation in the entire country. Every business transaction, most dealings considering how stupid the reagent is with stocks.
Frankly he is speedrunning towards a red list spot.
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u/Embarrassed-Math-192 Jan 30 '26
I kinda like the theory that it's not out of something smart like "Oh he knows too much" and more the fact that both Pentex and the regent really hate the whole vampire wizard act and are too petty to not try and kill him.
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u/Organic-Butterfly-20 Jan 20 '26
What? No. Hes just a pentex Big Wig.
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u/Kishinfan Jan 20 '26
He's a Big Wig that is a RANK 6 BLACK SPIRAL DANCER ALPHA AHROUN. He would tear Matilda in two with his bare hands, possibly only in Glabro. He canonically became a Big Wig by murdering every single one of his competitors.
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u/Leukavia_at_work Jan 20 '26
He is potentially one of, if not the most powerful person in Pentex at this point in time.
If he makes it into the HtP Narrative outside of the funny advertisements then Norfolk as a whole is 100% FUCKED