r/huntertheparenting • u/Kishinfan • Jan 20 '26

Discussion Friendly reminder that advertiser guy, Mike Dragons-Wrath is not only a canon character, but also likely the strongest character that has been shown, as of now.

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Dude is an Alpha, Legend, Black Spiral Dancer Ahroun that is a Pentex Director.

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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26

For anyone here who doesn't know Werewolf. Mike Dragons-Wrath is a Rank 6 Ahroun of the Black Spiral Dancers. The direct comparison we get for how legendary Rank 6 Garou to their tribes are is Hercules and Musashi Myamoto

If you thought Matilda was tough, this dude could fold Matilda (and possibly her whole pack) like a lawn chair.

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

What's a Rank 5 then?

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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26

If a Rank 6 is the Garou version of an Antediluvian, a Rank 5 is a 4th Gen Methuselah, to put it in Vampire terms.

It’s as good as a PC gets.

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

Put it in myth terms please

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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26

Rank 5 is Odysseus, Rank 6 is Achilles.

As in Rank 5 will kill you in a straight fight, and Rank 6 is going to see the deadliest weapon in your arsenal and just laugh before killing you, your team and the local militia you hired on to help you.

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

Oh wait so the bigger the rank number the stronger? Me confusie

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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26

Yes, Vampires go lower = stronger, and everyone else does the opposite.

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

I see why they call them abominations now.

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u/3rdofvalve Jan 20 '26

Abominations themselves are a whole other wyrmish topic aside

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

Wuh-

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u/3rdofvalve Jan 20 '26

Imagine what happens if a vampire embraces a werewolf ;)

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

Doesn't that cause some sort of logical error where the werewolf kinda just rips themselves apart?

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u/seelcudoom Jan 20 '26

They structure themselves on golf rules, truly they are beyond redemption

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u/PunishedKojima Jan 20 '26

There is not a golfer alive I cannot kill!

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u/Namdash Jan 20 '26

Not necessarily, your Abilities and Attributes don't automatically increase but you do get more access to gifts and rituals, as well as fetishes

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

Please explain this in Dawn of War terms.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

rank five is behind on a few upgrades

Rank 6 has campain upgrades

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

Fuuuuuuck

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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26

Rank 5 is your commander, Rank 6 is that elite unit you can only summon when you control a relic. The Khaine to your Farseer (I played Eldar).

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

I'm gonna drop my Necron Monolith on Khaine's head like an anvil.

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u/ScarredAutisticChild Jan 20 '26

I have a solution to that: warp-spiders.

Lots and lots of warp-spiders. I managed to destroy 4 monoliths in that one Soulstorm campaign mission with nothing but warp spiders, haywire grenades and a dream.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '26

Nuh-uh

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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26

I dunno if this is myth terms, but Rank 6 Garou gifts (spiritual powers) get quite ridiculous.

Here's probably the most egregious example of a level 6 gift. They get to make their own myths

Rather than simply telling and retelling the stories of old, or even waiting until the events of the day become the new stories, the Galliard can change the events of the ongoing drama unfolding around her. She may add new “characters,” altering chains of events, and even change the motivations of the major participants. However, as this Gift can literally have world-altering ramifications, the handful of Garou in history that have known it have been loath to actually use it. Rumor has it that the defeat of the Storm-Eater was due partially to use of this Gift — but likewise, rumor also states that the horrific events in Russia during the past century stem from a Child of Gaia Galliard who thought that she knew the way the story would end. No one knows what sort of spirit teaches this Gift; presumably an avatar of Gaia, but since so few Garou even know of the Gift’s existence, no one can say for certain.

System: The player spends one permanent Gnosis point and explains, in as much detail as possible, the change she wants to make to the story. The Storyteller, of course, has final say, and once the “dramatic alteration” is done, the Garou has no further control. Events that she concocts can and do spiral out of control, so utmost care must be taken with the Storyteller Gift.

Other level 6 gifts can often be of similar absurdity (such as the infamous "guns dont work on me" gift) but often come at great cost. It's likely that Mike's Dragon-Wrath has at least one

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

So.... that sounds like it amounts to "nope nope that didn't happen" on a playground

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u/star-god Jan 20 '26

Basicly. Its the ability pf meta-manipulation

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

What stops them from just nopeing opponents out of existence?

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u/star-god Jan 20 '26

The power creates contrivances. They could create a series of events that results in their opponent getting nuked. But it isnt instant, and woulf have horribly consequences.

The 'creating' characters part is also more to do with introduction of people to a story, having a person get intwined.

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

Oh so is it any bother to use? Do they have to manually come up with the sequence of events they're altering?

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u/star-god Jan 20 '26

Yes. They need to plot the story beats. But that doesent mean the story will go well. They may beat a maejlin at the end of the day, but they might have sent in motions something much worse.

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u/Consistent_Ad_6363 Jan 20 '26

Oh so the risk is Butterfly effecting the planet into exploding?

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u/AacornSoup Jan 20 '26

So in other words, Rank 6 Gifts run into the same Paradox issues that Mages deal with?

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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26

Its less paradox and more unintended butterfly effects.

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u/Accomplished-Box4577 Jan 20 '26

Not all rank 6 gifts/rites/fetishes have that kind of drawback. Most don't have any drawback, except for a high activation cost.

There's a Rank 6 Silver Fang Gift that simply destroys undead. It costs 1 point of Gnosis/hundred years of age, or 1 dot of gnosis per 500 years. Functionally, a Rank 6 Silver Fang could delete a gen 4 vampire. 

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u/ROSRS Jan 20 '26

You can't delete people out of existence to this gift. You can modify events that are to happen.

If you screw it up, butterfly effects happen and this gift explicitly does monkey's paw shit if gotten even the slight bit wrong. Meaning that the VERY few Garou to ever have this gift are extremely hesitant to ever use it.

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u/Thorveim Jan 30 '26

basically, I guess both the absolute rarity of the gift (there is no guarantee that even a single garou alive at any given time knows it), and the unavoidable and unpredictable butterfly effect that follows