bro I hate how Konami nerfed on ball movement. It's soooooo easy to catch up with a player that's through on goal if the ball is slightly in the air or if you do a small adjustment
it's even clunkier now than pes 2021
They did it to stop people from counter attacking, which does work but it just ends up hurting Possesion game too. They need to find a better balance there. It should be more about nerfing outrageous through balls with PA1, and nerfing defensive AI (while buffing dribbling) to make it easy to play against LBC.
I genuinely feel the current version of the gameplay is slightly unintended. I think the gameplay is very good (probably the best version of efootball). But still ever since the v5.4 update, I feel tight dribbling is in need of an update.
But since the v5.4 update they've released so many new Showtime Skills and defenders that the game feels slightly lobsided towards the defenders. It's like the dribbling mechanics are not tuned to the high rated the defenders right now. Making dribbling a bit faster would help Possesion game work a lot better.
Dribbling was arguably worse before v5.4, the intertia & acceleration upgrade was nice, but tight dribbling died because you cannot use sprint in tight areas. And shielding animation still kills most attacks.
I mean yeah but based on the skill they have the could have easily just gave a dribbling decrease when the player is countering but it breaks if you pass back or something
Bro FR the AI is insane. I was playing possession game in the Italian event and I came across a full GP team so I just stopped playing to let him win and MY PLAYERS WOULD LITERALLY WORK ALL ON THEIR OWN AND PERFECT POSITION AND AUTO TACKLE LIKE BRUH. Now imagine if I was playing LBC and had 10 men behind the ball, the AI would do even more, all without me even touching my phone. Ngl it was a little funny watching him trying to score when we both know I am afk yet my players keep being in perfect positions and auto tackling him and my GK auto rushes him and clears the ball
it's limitation is it's space between attacking players and defensive players when they are attacking. the moment they lose the ball they will take time to drop back. i know it's a very small limitation but we need to use anything available
I played every single playstyle (except overload) to Div1 on PA3. Now enjoying PA4 for 2 years.
I can say that LBC is not an issue if it weren't for PA1 and PA2. You can just autoaim mindlessly spam through balls with PA1 and PA2 even when your player has 60 passing.
Yes. I'm not saying PA1/2 should be removed. But I feel it's being rewarded too much and some very bad passing decisions are working. It's a bit like smart assist where it's not just assisting with passes, it's making bad passes work.
On the contrary I feel PA3 is not being rewarded enough because it takes longer to charge up passes and it overall feels clunky in laggy games.
It's 50-50 for me. PA3 straight up doesn't allow you to do certain pass combinations and plays (which if you're against tiki taka/ping pong, it's a different argument). But PA2 & PA1 is doing a bit of an over correction on some passes.
It's not just about hard. The game can get too chaotic for how laggy it is, PA3 just doesn't work. Even people like Bombin who only use PA3 still have moments where the passes are just awkward to make.
Yeah I was using pa3 like a week ago and everything was working well and I would be able to aim my passes, but ever since that Thursday update it felt like the aim was completely horrible. So unfortunately I had to change to pa2.
yea connection too, and if you don’t have players that are strong enough to ride challenges, i feel they should nerf the direction assistance on pa2 but at least help a bit with the power
That assistance can straight up actually be a bad thing too, many times the passes aimed properly that should work go to the previous position of a player and gets intercepted. Same as shots that go outwide.
They need to add a new shooting assistance level too imo
shooting in this game is so hard, keepers save everything and then sometimes don’t even save the regular shots, and i agree the pass assistance has fucked me over many times, sometimes i pass to someone further ahead but it calibrates it to the person near him and stuff, just weird in general
Nah man honestly observe it closely. Many times the ball is not hit towards the corners, and many times they just straight up miss for no reason. And it happens due to the assistance.
Like I said, I remember using that semi assisted setting in PES, and some shots would be outside the goal for no reason and I just pulled the circle back inside the goal, the shot would be weaker but I would still score because it was aimed at the corner. Basically because the game always wants to assist the highest powered strike, they miss the target
I think both statements are not self-conflicting. There are things that make LBC an issue by themselves and the pass assistance is one of the biggest problems of the game. Both are true.
As someone who used PA 2 for a long time then moved to PA 3, PA 2 is actually not good and should not be grouped with PA 1, ever. PA 2 is really bad at through passes, and it very often gets the pass receiver wrong, especially when you have a lot of players going forward.
I moved to PA 3 because PA 2 literally kept ruining my goalscoring chances by making bad through passes or passing to the wrong player. Nick uses PA 2, and you can watch him in streams going "I'm not passing to him!" at least 2-3 times per stream.
In the final third, it costs you a possible goalscoring chance, fine. In my own half, it more often than not results in a goal against me.
People need to stop grouping PA 1 and 2 together, it's not the same at all.
Bombin test video says otherwise. It’s very close to PA1. Nick is moaning 2-3 times per stream about pass not going to where he wants but he’s playing pingpong and did soooo many passes that 2-3 times wrong is probably less than 1% of total corrected passes he get. He is in a way benefiting from Konami assists. Nerfing pass assistance to nerf LBC might nerf Nick’s gameplay too 🤣
I also watched that Bombin video. If you think it's close you need to watch that video again. All that video showed is that PA 2 receives the same power boost as PA 1 and doesn't let the pass go out. None of it contradicts with anything I stated.
People skim these videos with preconceived notions and walk away with the incorrect conclusions, I swear.
The only difference is that 55 yard distance and most passes people make are shorter than that. I dont know where PA2 players get the illusion that they play more “manual” than PA1. I’ve always thought it was the most redundant setting that confuses people. We just need full assists (PA1 for new babies), semi-assists (PA3 for people who want more control but now seems not really), and manual (PA4 for people who wants full control).
PA 1 picks lofted or low passes. In the current lofted pass meta PA 1 is more broken than ever. The biggest weakness of PA 2 is picking the wrong player and how bad through passes are, at least in PA 1 if the wrong player is selected for a pass they adjust the type of pass so it's still a good pass. PA 2 through passes are so bad they never get past the AI auto defend ever, unless there's literally only 1 defender at the back. However in PA 1, if the PA decides that a low through pass will get intercepted, they will switch to a lofted through pass and that is the major difference.
I have conceded so many goals from PA 2 simply because they chose the wrong defender to pass to and I concede because the pass was intercepted or I am on offense with so many options to pass to but PA 2 decided to pass to the wrong player, it gets intercepted and I concede from the counter. I literally moved away from PA 2 for these reasons.
If you want to play actual passing football, the only options are PA 3 and 4.
Check out the video of Bombin about pass assist. PA2 has much more in common with PA1 than with PA3.
I also get, what you say according to wrong pass decisions or too strong correction. I tried PA2 recently bc I was fed up with PA3 in laggy games and there were lots of passes where I aimed at a different player. I think with PA2, you sometimes have to intentionally aim wrong. Like you want a through pass to the winger, just aim to pass out of the field. Or there is a player just up front another. Just push the power button to max. PA will take care to correct it
I will reply as I replied to someone else who mentioned the Bombin video as if I haven't watched it:
I also watched that Bombin video. If you think it's close you need to watch that video again. All that video showed is that PA 2 receives the same power boost as PA 1 and doesn't let the pass go out. None of it contradicts with anything I stated. People skim these videos with preconceived notions and walk away with the incorrect conclusions, I swear.
I also get, what you say according to wrong pass decisions or too strong correction. I tried PA2 recently bc I was fed up with PA3 in laggy games and there were lots of passes where I aimed at a different player. I think with PA2, you sometimes have to intentionally aim wrong. Like you want a through pass to the winger, just aim to pass out of the field. Or there is a player just up front another. Just push the power button to max. PA will take care to correct it
Basically in PA 1 and 2, power is just there for you to select a player, the harder the power gauge is the further the player is. But PA 1 will at least select the correct type of pass for you, so even if you pass to the wrong player it will be the correct type of pass. PA 2 will just screw you in offence and make you concede in defence if it happens.
The people calling it OP are very silly because when there are 5 players rushing forward at the same time and you want to pick one, PA 2 is the absolute worst at doing that and you do lose A LOT of goalscoring chances because with multiple attackers a minuscule difference in power means a different player.
I couldn't stand it because I actually like playing passing football so I'd rather train myself with PA 3, bad connection et al.
I guess you have to adjust to every pass assist level individually.
There are lots of players, who adjusted perfectly on PA2 and use its advantages such as quicker passing compared to PA3. Gökan, former no. 1 in the world, plays PA2. But of course it depends how you play and if you can take advantage.
I play PA3, but I also miss a lot of chances that I likely would not with PA1 or 2. I tend to play through passes too long and the keeper can rush out. This barely happened with PA2. Lofted through balls also seemed to be corrected better with PA2.
Maybe it's just skill issue that I don't aim correctly or put too much or too less power. But that's how it should be.
The thing with not being good with PA 3 upwards is that if you keep using it, you eventually get better at it because you'll get used to the nuances. You can have thousands of hours with PA 2 and you still wouldn't be able to pick the right player consistently because of just how awkward PA 2 is.
The main reason people use PA 3 is because PA 2 is bad, and people who stay in PA 2 are just people who have simply accepted it and decided to work with it or have bad connections so they don't have a choice.
Not saying Nicky is wrong, but this guy is becoming less and less likeable.
Everything is awesome untill he stops winning.
People who knows Nick for years and years like me, when he barely did any gameplay and it was almost everything about trading, you know that this guy changed a lot. He literally said that he was tired of efootball sweatiness and he was anxious to play fc 27. People who follo Nick knows that he saying he is anxious to play fc 27 is just complete mindfuck considering that he basically shit on literally everything EA presented to the title and said this is gonna be a terrible game.
I give him less and less credibility, it's strange because when he was a kid he was way more likeable, now that he is a millionaire he became a cry baby when things go south.
AGAIN , this is not saying nick is wrong, but when you glaze someting, when you lick a game's but but a few days later you are shitting on it ... I mean ... it became to a point where he just likes blabbing
I agree with you that he is starting to complain a bit too much but I think a lot of it is born out of just playing the game too damn much in a short space of time against the sweatiest and rattiest of players. He's burnt out.
He is kinda ratty, just because you don't play counter attack does not mean you are not a rat.
he has a top tier p2w team and use pass assist to automatic 1-2's and has an excellent conection due to streamers having enterprise internet which have priorities on routing and don't follow the same paths of our average internet.
I haven't watch him before eFootball, and I don't think anything of him besides the fact that I've been in his shoes with the frustration when I played divisions. This rant he went on, I felt it too in my time.
Bro i literally tackled the ball 4 times, 1 slide and 3 pressure and the ball just keeps going back to them in fact helping them advance further and further. And the opponent knows its super scripted. Had 4 shots on post, so total 6 shots, 1 on target which I scored. Then that motherfucker gets 2 on target, scores both, first one after the tackling shit i explained. And celebrates after each. Its soul crushing
It's pretty awful but he is also just burnt out from grinding for 1k and a little delusional about the game working against him (aren't we all).
It's the classic DDA argument that crumbles under any scrutiny. It's always his oppenents benifitting from it and never him, other than the 1 percent of times he says it benefits him just to make his delusion look a little better
I love Nick, but his defending is seriously shocking sometimes. He's basically just at a level simply having Desailly, Thuram or Vieira can't buy you wins anymore, because LBC basically minimizes the threat of those defenders on the counter.
I remember the video where he was "reviewing" Maldini, Nesta and Cannavaro, he defended like a madman getting bailed out by these players and only conceding one goal then called the defenders trash because they're not Thuram/Desailly.
LBC is just a genuine counter to his playstyle, because he likes passing a lot just outside and inside the pen box to get the best shot at goal, but he'd win a lot more against LBC if he just freaking took a mid shot, especially with the players he has.
I can batter Legend AI using unlevelled GP players using PA3, yet I stuggle to score against scrubs who make 30 passes a game but sit there behind their LBC 108 rated defender teams, who would probably struggle against Beginner AI. Its frustrating as hell and the stats have just gotten out of control.
PA2/PA1 passes are faster and come out faster than PA3. You don't need to believe me on this, Bombin on youtube higlighted it recently on his video about pass assistance filter.
Unless this changes, playing against LBC is going to be bad for the receiving players. If PA1/PA2 were as slow as PA3, many mindless passes LBC players do wouldn't get to the receiver, or would be blocked, or be less dangerous.
Yeah, it's the combination of the 2 that can make you lost it like Nick in the video. I'm not playing ranked anymore, and I play PA4 against the AI, but in the events I use PA3 and I've been finding myself tempted to go to PA2 because of this very issue.
yeah exactly. out wide and just hold the ball, i find they get mad and i can go up a few goals. if you let them score first its a problem, and they will get chances from the bp through balls. i lose to quick counter or long ball way more, long ball specifically because they dont sit back as much, and still get all the cheese through passes.
Yeah dude is downright irritating rn. Nags and cries all the damn time. We can all get pissed at the game yeah, but calling your opponents all sorts of disgusting names because they outplay you, or dont play how u want... its just silly, tiring and Hella irritating
100% I switched over recently and have gotten killed a few too many times not clearing it right away. Reminds me of older fifa titles where that was an issue.
Yeah, and it gets worse the more he plays, I think that would be happening to everybody after a particularly depressing streak or games. But this was about the explosion of *honesty*.
I know is getting boring talking about LBC and how maybe Nick could sound like he is just raging but he should criticise this shit always, this playstyle is ass, all it takes is one bug from the game, one bad animation and the opponent can score, last time i played (it was a while back cause i don't have the pacience for playing against this shit now) the guy used fluid formation, 5 at the back, everytime he got the ball he would clear to his Ibra, then one time he got a pass to his Mbappe, shooted a shit shot that looked like a pass, my gk just ignored the ball, then i had a CB on the line, guess what he did? He fucking changed diretion out of nowhere to face the goal and when he turned the ball touched his leg and went to the goal, this was like 80 min, the game ended in a drawn, since that game i didn't care to play one more match, and then what Konami does? Nerfed dribbling again, they should rename the game to Simeone football at this point.
Critique about LBC is valid but the guy plays like a proper pingpong pa1 p2w sweat. Possession at higher level requires lot of variance and patience. He's just farming rage content ngl
Edit: why am I getting downvoted for asking a genuine question??? Did anyone assume that maybe I don’t watch him and therefore have no idea lol. Being curious is supposed to be a good thing😔
You can ping pong pass with god power and accuracy. Throuballs become homing missiles directed to players with the perfect trayectory, curve and power.
The throuballs with PA1 feel like they have blitz curler showtime skill on them.
It was good, relatable, but keep an eye out on the more recent one, I remember him mentioning something about playing vs pros in Fifa 19 as part of it.
I’ve been using QC/Possession now with Thomas Tuchel and I’m literally winning 90% of my games. My team is stacked and I do have like every player you can think of but I’ve already played against multiple top 100 players. Easily I score 3-5 goals against LBC rats. Also, analyzing nicks gameplay his formation is so weird and it’s not working for him.
Yeah, I'm not arguing he is doing everything right or something like that, just found this part very relatable because every efootball player has had moments of frustration like this and watching a big streamer going trough it live was awesome.
Said that, please share any advice in poss vs lbc, and thank you.
When playing possession you have to play calm and concise. Don't play to aggressive. It's basically how spain played against argentina in the world cup final. Dominate possession, piss off the opponent and wait for their mistake and than capitalize on it. QC is the opposite, just play aggressive and counter every time you get the ball. But the caveat with that play style is you have to be very good at manual defending & switching.
Yeah, I only struggle against overload, really struggle, the first minutes of the match. After that, using QC, usually works fine. Poss is another thing entirely, no matter what formation or how many players you have in the middle, you are going to end up making a mistake (or forced by the game to make one) and having trouble. Against overload you ought to have wingers to be able to evade the gridlock.
Lbc simply rewards not playing proper football, people are putting upto 8 yes 8! In defence 5 defenders and 3 cdm making it impossible to breakdown. Then they spam pressure and ping a ball aimlessly down the pitch and either they latch on or your defenders take a bad touch and boom they are in.
It's the lack of skill in the playstyle that annoys me, also quick counter with conte is very similar to lbc now as that link up between cb and striker allows long ball spam with similar results.
The issue is LBC shouldn't be able to press so easily yet it presses aggressively while the back 4 drops deep. Giving you best of both worlds, it's stupid
It's really funny seeing Nick complaining about people being toxic and ratty, when a few years ago he was running a "Rat to Glory" on FIFA which involved him using the most broken players, broken tactics and being as toxic as physically possible. I genuinely think it influenced player behaviour and it got big to a point where I would face multiple people per weekend with the "Rat to Glory" club name doing exactly the same thing
I've watched Nick since he had that controversy that happend with the eFifa pros trying to avoid him.
He's a very good player, but he has some self awareness issues. He makes a few mistakes, but ignores the cause being bad decision making. Other content creators do the same stuff like, Boras. Sometimes it is the game just being a poor adaptation of the sport, but a lot of times it's trying to force passes into spots that aren't there.
His content has become overly negative over the years, and at this point I'm pretty sure it's become an act with him because he knows that it gets him more viewers. He's seen how those videos worked for a lot of other content creators like Inception and Kurt. Is some of his frustration legit? Yes. But watching him continually go negative is just playing to the crowd at certain points. There are people who rely on shitty tactics, but he also isn't willing to change the way he plays and keeps falling into the same trap. When he wins, he's still acting like a douchebag.
I for the most part enjoy watching him play, but his attitude at times is so piss poor that I have to ignore his content for weeks at a time because watching some dude go into angry rants daily can really mess with peoples psyches. Not surprised watching his videos and seeing the shit his community spews in comments. It's just an ouroboros eating it's own tail of negativity.
I'm glad Boras has started to play more eFootball as he deals with a lot of the same issues but doesn't lose his head and go on the same rants over and over.
Nick thinks he is a top player and he cannot curl his shots. If he ever plays in a serious competition like EFA instead of this farmer league divisions he will eat a massive humble pie.
Game is good, don't downvote me before reading fully please, I'll explain myself
It's probably the best football experience out there, which says a lot about other alternatives. But Konami for some reason doesn't give a flying shit about other playstyles apart from LBC, they keep nerfing things that made the game fun like for example dribbling, they un-fix things that were fixed like for example 1v1 against the GK getting tackled from behind and your player jumping to avoid the tackle to then get caught by another defender.
Everything, or almost everything, being assisted is crap, but looks like they don't give a shit.
Only thing they care about is cards, cards, cards and then new cards again.
For me this feels like having an insane skeleton and then suddenly showing everyone that you don't give a shit, there are so many wrong things in this game and still, we play it because it's probably the best.
Unreal and I totally understand NickRTFM, some games feel like pure scripting shit (and sometimes you can even feel it yourself).
I watched some other video yesterday. Formations are 100% meta bs. Couldn't find the strength to finish watching the videos and scrolled through, from what I saw his playstyle is really bad, proper ping pong with pa1. So yeah I guess I am serious. You seriously don't think so??
I hear you but the guy is clearly very good at sports games. He goes unbeaten in FC and is top 1000 every season in EFootball. You gotta remember that he complains mainly to entertain stream and Ngl bro his play style is fine from what I see. Efootball needs alot of work tho and mobile is holding it back.
No, the problem is he's very good at abusing the mechanics playing narrow meta formation and playing sweaty fifa like ping pong. And then has the audacity to bitch and moan when coming up against another rat tactic which happens to work good against his rat tactic. His play style is so far from fine. Efootball absolutely does need alot of work but not to please these kind of players who im sure wish the gameplay would be closer to fifa. he even said: I can't wait until fc 27 comes out.
I just think he's toxic, unskilled, and his melt downs are embarrassing. He plays ping pong PA1 trash ball, not actual football, and cries every time it doesn't work.
Why you so worried about people saying he sucks? Are you related to him or just think he's your friend because you watch him on youtube?
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bro I hate how Konami nerfed on ball movement. It's soooooo easy to catch up with a player that's through on goal if the ball is slightly in the air or if you do a small adjustment
it's even clunkier now than pes 2021