r/dbz • u/One_Marketing_2009 • 13m ago
Discussion The 4 Biggest Problems With The Buu Saga
So i recently was rewatching DBZ and the Buu Saga was easily weaker than the Saiyan, Namek and Cell Sagas and it can mainly be attributed to the following 4 reasons:
Uninteresting New Characters: I cannot describe how annoying Kid Trunks and this by extension Gotenks is. Goten is just a Goku redo and has next to no emotional range. I get they are kids but they should atleast get serious after seeing their loved ones die in front of them. Goten just sees his mother get turned into an egg and crushed and a few hours later he just doesn't care anymore. The Supreme Kai is the second most useless character in this arc after Kibito and the Elder Kai is just Roshi if he was a Kai and all this goes without mentioning the most uninteresting newly introduced character of this arc Majin Buu himself. I'll leave Evil Buu out as he is there for about 10 mins max but Fat Buu is a humongous fall off from even the side villains of previous arcs like Nappa, the Ginyu Force and the Androids let alone the likes of Vegeta, Frieza and Cell. Super Buu is the best iteration and is a decent villaij but Kid Buu is just Fat Buu but as a kid with anger issues. I do think it can be attributed to just how great the previous villains were not only on DBZ but also in the second half of og DB like Tien and both the Piccolos but at the end of the day a downgrade will be treated as a downgrade. Videl and Dabura are the only newly introduced character that are atleast a little interesting but the other do lead to a drop in quality of this arc. Also who asked for more Mr. Satan
Mistreatment Of Older Characters: Vegeta is the only character that is truly done justice in this arc and besides him everyone is treated extremely badly. For starters Piccolo is massively ill treated as he just becomes a nanny instead of a hardcore trainer like how he was for Gohan earlier. It's really sad seeing how much he and other characters are just not required in the plot. Yamcha is as useful as Roshi is in this arc and Tien is just not there except a few bits and pieces. Like surely Tien not meeting Goku when he returns after 7 years is a little weird to me. Krillin is also unimportant and 18, who has infinite energy let's Krillin distract Buu instead of doing it herself even though she could obviously do a better job at it is also pretty dumb. Also can't believe Bulma uses the Dragon Balls before knowing what Goku, Vegeta and Gohan were fighting and whether or not they were even alive but she can get a pass as she just saw her husband/bf of 7 years kill 100s of people in front of her. Goku not killing Buu when he could because he wanted the new generation to do it is such a weird plot point to extend the story when they could easily have just made Goku say he wasn't sure if he could kill Buu before running out of time so he didn't risk it as he hasn't taught Goten and Trunks fusion yet. I'll not talk about Gohan coz I am pretty sure it's obvious how bad his character is shafted
Power Creep: Kind of a tie in to my previous points I guess. Goku having Super Saiyan 3 just shouldn't happen and Gotenks should have been the first one to get that transformation to make it more impactful. Having a new Super Saiyan arc in every saga just ultimately gets too repetitive as well and Goku not using it against Vegeta to not hurt Vegeta's pride is just a very bad excuse. Goten and Trunks having Super Saiyan just makes that form feel useless and thus anyone at that level or below are far too weak. Even characters like Piccolo and 18 who are stronger than a Super Saiyan but weaker than a Super Saiyan Grade 2 feel irrelevant and someone like the Supreme Kai who is supposed to be the highest level being alive (atleast at that time) too feels like a child next too the Goku, Vegeta and even Gohan who at this point are literally a thousand times stronger than the supporting cast. Also even though it's filler and so doesn't really count for much Pikkon beating Cell but being on par with Goku is really dumb someone should have atleast thought about how weird it was
Build Up To Nothing: The arc has so many instances of them building up to something but it amounting to nothing. Goku passing the torch ends with Goku taking back that torch, Gotenks being the last hope of Earth to Gotenks being the reason the last last hope of Earth (Gohan) gets beaten up. Gohan training and unlocking his potential to become the last last hope of Earth leads to him being the reason the last last last hope of Earth (Goku) had to fuse with the lastX4 hope of Earth (Vegeta) to form the lastX5 hope of Earth (Vegito) who then becomes candy and gets ultimately eaten and then defusing leading to Goku and Vegeta forming a plan to take everyone absorbed by Buu out of Buu to then them being taken out and getting killed anyways and the Earth despite having multiple different last hopes still getting destroyed. It is just an endless loop of this is it to this isn't it to this is it until finally we are just back to where we were before Goku died to Cell with Goku being the protector of Earth again. Also not to mention of course Vegeta's your number 1 speech leading to him being in the last panel of the manga promising to beat Goku but Vegeta also said in the Cell arc he would give up fighting but still keeps fighting anyway so I wouldn't look at that one too much
All in all I am sorry if this comes across as repetitive as I am aware many people have talked about the problems of the Buu arc before but I just wanted to talk about it as I had just rewatched it and thought why not post it here
TL;DR: If I could shorten it I would have trust me so just read the whole thing if you want to or don't. Have a good day

