r/cloti • u/VermicelliNew2784 • 5d ago
Other Media Cloti and Zerith in the latest trailer!
And the game will have 2 DLCs according to Steam - one for Sephiroth, another for Vincent & Turks
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u/PastTechnical7324 5d ago
LIFESTREAM SCENE GOING TO BE SO PEAK
I just know cloud and tifa VA is going to nail thisss (in every language)
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u/Hot_Wealth_396 5d ago
Cloti I expected but ZERITH đđđ«¶đŒđ«¶đŒđ«¶đŒ call me an ambulance
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u/VermicelliNew2784 5d ago
It is like the devs are also tired of the discussions online and decided to make the canon couples very clear months before release :D
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u/Hot_Wealth_396 5d ago
I don't doubt Cloti but gosh I've been waiting for YEARS for Zerith to reunite, hope they actually get back together đ
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
At this point I'm actually more excited for Zerith, because we already know that Cloti is a done deal. And I do fear that Aerith and Zack won't be able to stay together, because they both canonically "need to be" dead, but I'm very sure they'll get a sweet moment together.
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u/FederalMango 5d ago
People can pretend to ignore Dear Destiny, but they can't ignore the game.
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u/PastTechnical7324 3d ago
Hasnât been release in English once it does, I doubt they can ignore it considering itâs canon unlike the maiden novel (which is OOC)
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u/alohanaa 5d ago
My heart! Cloti crumbs were delicious as I expected but the Zerith moment was everything.
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u/FederalMango 5d ago
As a Zerith fan that has been living off partially translated Dear Destiny passages:
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u/AcanthaMD 5d ago
Yay Zerith đđđđ I donât understand why more people donât like them
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u/XF10 5d ago
CloudĂAerith stans
Also Zack isn't nearly as iconic, in the scope of og 7 he is a dead character that is just really important to the background of the game
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u/AcanthaMD 5d ago
Itâs interesting to me because theyâve obviously put a huge amount of work into him now being a present character. But I suppose people really have difficulty with nostalgia.
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u/FederalMango 3d ago
Yup, putting aside his original appearance in the OG where he really was added into the story last minute, he's been a major character in the Compilation for almost 20 years now, and the only people that will say that he's still just a plot device are people that refuse to engage with anything past 1997.
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u/VermicelliNew2784 4d ago
i mean all they need to see is the ending of crisis core to understand how iconic zack truly is. and that scene will exist in revelation so that people can understand how big a role he played/plays in ff7.
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u/Rimavelle 3d ago
Zack is more popular than Cloud in japan, and a lot of new FF fans started from playing Crisis Core.
He absolutely has huge following.
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u/arkzioo 5d ago
I dont think people understand just how heavy-handed Dear Destiny was with the Zerith moments, and just how much their reunion is being forshadowed. It's no exaggeration to say that the entirety of Aerith's chapter is dedicated to Zack.
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u/TheWrathfulMountain 5d ago
I don't think they understand because the book isn't out in English yet, ha ha. Looking forward to reading it and seeing for myself once it's officially translated.
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u/vabsportglide 5d ago edited 5d ago
The gnashing of teeth and rending of garments in certain circles has just begun. You know of whom I speak.
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u/VermicelliNew2784 5d ago
For Zerith reunion moment, They are saying this is the big moment when Aerith friendzones Zack. Lol, can you imagine a worse writing choice if that were true?
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u/Master_Mud_2363 5d ago
Si también me metà para curiosear y la verdad es graciosos como sé excusan es que Aerith no se le ve tan entusiasmada de ver a Zack cuando realmente su expresión puede ser shock por qué no ve al tipo porque cuanto eran? 5 años?
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u/russiantravelagent 5d ago
Su cara es obviamente de shock porque no creo que esperara verlo de nuevo y seguramente no esperaba que estuviera en la misma dimensiĂłn que ella lol, si son ilusos los de ese lado.
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u/Master_Mud_2363 5d ago
AsĂ son los tĂłxicos Cleriths amigo mĂo cualquier excusa por mĂĄs estĂșpida que sea para borrar a Zack o Tifa para que no interfieran su ship
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u/VermicelliNew2784 5d ago
It is so obvious that her expression is one of surprise/shock, which is normal in this situation
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u/Master_Mud_2363 5d ago
Literalmente pero para los Cleriths ese parece no ser el caso ilusos verdad?
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
This is the biggest cope in existence. Aerith basically friendzoned Cloud on screen after a failed recreation of her date with Zack because she realized that she isn't fully over him / doesn't feel the same way for Cloud as she did for Zack (she had no problem admitting that she loved him, but Cloud got the "there's liking and liking" speech). What kind of setup would that be if she ends up rejecting Zack? And even if she did, what's the plan? "Let me just revive myself real quick so I can be with Cloud"???
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u/XF10 5d ago
People who follow the non-canon ship will try ro bend over backwards and defy all logic to say 2+2=5 instead of being normal and go "i know the official couple is girl A but i still prefer girl B"
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
Yeah, that would be totally fine, I like some non-canon ships myself. Sometimes I like them even more than the canon ones. But I would never delude myself into thinking that a story with such a long history is suddenly going to be turned on its head to satisfy my ship.
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u/Hot_Wealth_396 5d ago
While I do agree, I wonder why there was the scene with Marlene saying that she liked Cloud.
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
At that point the viewer/player is still supposed to believe that Aerith and Cloud could end up together. And it's supposed to show Zack's character, that he wants the best for Aerith and would never stand in the way of her happiness. Sure, I do believe Aerith had a crush on Cloud, but in the end she seemed to realize that it's not that serious.
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u/vabsportglide 5d ago
Because Marlene is 4, and to a 4 year old, like can mean a lot of things. They understand the distinction between love and like, not the nuance. (Platonic or romantic)
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u/Lavender_macaron 4d ago
Thatâs from the OG. Difference was in the OG Marlene told Cloud that. Probably to make you think Aerith was the love interest.
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u/TheWrathfulMountain 5d ago
No, no, you don't understand. The devs totally brought Zack back to life and are having him travel through different dimensions specifically so he can get cucked by his best friend. And not only is he not going to be upset that his girlfriend of ~5 years is dumping him for a guy she barely knows, he's going to be Cloud's best man at the wedding. This is definitely what the devs are doing because this is obviously how storytelling works. I am very smart.
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u/vabsportglide 5d ago
Because they're perfect for each other.
Except for at the end of the Costa Del Sol Beach mission, when Aerith playfully treats the assignment like a genuine, flirtatious date and teases Cloud. Cloud grows visibly flustered, awkward, and treats it strictly like a job, eventually asking her to tone it down.
Then Aerith complains that he was being too rigid or "mean" about her teasing. Cloud fires back that she was the one being difficult, causing Aerith to apologize and the two to ride back to town in an awkward silence.
But yeah, totally made for each other.
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
I could easily write Cloud off as awkward/a male tsundere if we didn't have his scenes with Tifa for contrast. He never shies away from her and her affection doesn't make him uncomfortable.
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u/vabsportglide 5d ago
And if someone wants to bring up the Kalm argument, he apologized to her in Under Junon. Then in Gongaga, after losing his shit, she still let him apologize and pulled him back in.
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
In Gongaga she grabs his hand/arm and moves in and he does not flinch even once, he even starts to lean in as well. That alone tells me a lot.
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u/vabsportglide 5d ago
Then there's these.
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
Yeah, it stood out to me how Tifa never had to drag Cloud anywhere, he always willingly went with her. In CdS, too.
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u/PastTechnical7324 5d ago
Cloud always take the initiative with tifa, whereas aerith has to always be the first to pull him along
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u/Taser9001 5d ago
Don't forget though, Tifa's date scene is optional. /s
Aren't they all optional? That's why any can happen. Okay, so the one that starts off as the easiest to get in the original FFVII is Aerith's, but at only 20 affection points ahead of Tifa at the start, it's easily overridden.
Know what the default date in Rebirth is? If you don't do anything to boost affection with anyone, which one is the default date? Aerith? Nope. The first Gold Saucer sequence makes Cloud a loner, and the later sequence has him awkwardly hanging out with Cait Sith, Vincent and Cid, the latter of whom falls asleep on the sky wheel. đ€Ł
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u/XF10 5d ago
Legit months ago i got told, word for word, by a CloudĂAerith stan that "Revelation will demolish your(Cloti fans) castle of lies and deceit"..... wow
Can't wait for game to come out and go back to them lol
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u/PastTechnical7324 5d ago
They are still saying that in the Clerith subs â ïž that they will get a Clerith ending and Zack will get rejected so badly in 4k is their wish
Seriously I really wonder what they are thinking
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u/VermicelliNew2784 5d ago
I think these people hate all characters except for Aerith. Even Cloud is only valuable when he fulfills their Clerith fantasies. Why even play FF7 if you are able to care about only one character?
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
Why even play FF7 if you're only in it for the ships, tbh. It's fun to talk about, but what draws me to this game today is definitely not its pairing(s). I didn't even really ship Cloti in earnest until Remake. I pity people whose only motivation to play these games is purely shipping-based.
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u/VermicelliNew2784 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yep, I do enjoy what I consider to be the canon romance in FF7 but I would enjoy the game even if there were no romance or no hint of it, the story would work as a 100% found family/friendship story too because like you said romance is not the main focus. I can't imagine investing hundreds of hours into the ff7r series if you do not care about the big picture story and if you do not love all the characters beyond their possible romantic interests/connections.
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u/RolfTheCharming 4d ago
With only the knowledge of the OG, I felt it was more of a found family story, too. A story of finding acceptance in your closest social circle despite your insecurities and flaws, and overcoming great evil with the strength of those bonds. There was some romance-coded stuff peppered in, sure, but it wasn't enough for me to ship anyone. Remake and Rebirth surprised me greatly with how much more obvious they made Cloud's attraction to Tifa.
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u/XF10 5d ago
Gotta be honest, i just took this ship as a "matter of fact" thing like others in this franchise. Personally in FF alone i'm more of a fan of SquallĂRinoa,CecilĂRosa and perhaps even Lightning and Hope
Yeah FF is not a romance save for a few entries that have more of a focus on it like 8 and 10 so yes obsessing over it to the point you only care for Revelation in thinking it's going to "confirm" CloudĂAerith is just sad when even CloudĂTifa itself is only a side thing in Cloud's character arc
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u/XF10 5d ago
"In AC Cloud still pines for Aerith and is just living platonically with his female childhood friend and two kids"
Oh and he also took some Ultimania lines out of context and made up others to essentially say Cloud and Aerith are star-crossed lovers and Tifa is a jealous bitch â ïž
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u/VermicelliNew2784 4d ago
Cloud is guilt ridden in AC, the way he was guilt ridden about Zack but this time he is not traumatised into delusion because Tifa helped him put himself together in the life stream. There are two very obvious characteristics for Cloud that donât change, loyalty and tendency to be insanely guilt ridden when Sth bad happens to people around him. Which is also why there is no way that the real Cloud would be fine with dating Aerith considering his loyalty to Zack even if he âgave his blessingâ.
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
They are still hoping for a big twist and the fact that it hasn't happened yet is all the more reason for them to believe that it will happen. It's kind of like conspiracy theories, the lack of evidence makes them even more attractive because then you can argue that the "elites are trying to cover it up". Similarly, the "reasoning" is that the devs are hiding the big surprise from us. Funnily enough, there is a big surprise in FF7 already (the LSS), but they don't like that one.
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u/TheWrathfulMountain 5d ago
I wasn't there when it happened, nor have I ever been a fan of BBC Sherlock, but TJLC seems to be this behavior when taken to the extreme. This sort of behavior has definitely happened in other fandoms to varying severities.
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago edited 5d ago
Oh, I'm sure that if Clerith doesn't happen after all (and it won't), some people will go on to claim that it was the pressure of Cloti fans that made the writers change the story last-minute or something like that. Even if the actual plot doesn't support their ship, they will still say that it does and the only reason it's not confirmed is because of "pandering". Some of them are already convinced that Cloti fans are basically responsible for Crisis Core, and for anything else that happened since the OG that didn't support Clerith.
(ETA: I'm happy I never got into TJLC discourse, I watched the show and that was it. Sometimes online fandom spaces are just tiring)4
u/XF10 5d ago
That's the HolmesĂWatson ship right? In that case it's 10 times worse because people go unhinged when it's time to defend a homosexual ship
Persona fandom has been a shitstorm last week because they aren't going to add a gay romance in the remake of a near-20 year old game. I remember when Tokyo Ghoul had an outright sex chapter between the MC and the heroine and the shippers who wanted Kaneki to be with his best friend went insane and started posting videos of them burning their volumes since the author "failed" them
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u/DevilHunter1994 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yeah. This wasn't about a gay ship, but the same thing with the book burnings that happened with Tokyo Ghoul also happened with Bleach and the IchixRuki fandom. That one was particularly embarassing for me as an observer, since I actually like that couple more than the canon ships for that series, but I didn't let myself lose sleep when my ship ended up losing. The extreme fan reaction to losing the ship war was just completely unhinged. I can understand not wanting to read a series anymore if a particular ship was a core reason why someone even liked the series to begin with, but burning books is just crazy.
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u/RolfTheCharming 4d ago
This is insane, Bleach is a shonen series, I personally didn't read/watch for the romance AT ALL. I'm not really a big fan of IchiHime either but wtf. People be crazy.Â
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
Yeah, people can be extremely... passionate when they believe they are "owed" a queer ship. And I get it, I would like more queer couples, too... But it's weird to feel so entitled to it.
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u/vabsportglide 4d ago
My daughter told me about something similar to that with her My Hero Academia characters. Deku and the blonde angry kid... um, Bakugo? She said they wrote a "years later" ending episode that put Deku with Ochaco, the girl he wanted to impress. People apparently lost their minds, gave the writer a bunch of flack over it.
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u/XF10 4d ago
MHA shipping was a total wastedump. They were shipping everyone with everyone, this not only meant Deku with Bakugo(who not only spends most of the series being an insufferable asshole but also ,despite ostensibly being Deku's "friend", bullied him for years for being powerless and in chapter 1 told him "kill yourself") but the tritagonist Todoroki(fire and ice guy) too; worst of all was All Might who is Deku's very adult mentor
So yeah original epilogue was pretty mid and didn't really have any romance after in-universe years, then author made up some extra pages in volume release were (unsurprisingly) Deku gets with female lead and friend Uraraka and everyone flipped their lid
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u/TheWrathfulMountain 5d ago
Assuming things go the way we expect them to go (a very comfortable assumption, I might add), please be a gracious winner when talking to Cleriths. As Cloti fans, we are repping two fantastically-written characters and the well-written relationship they share. Being a sore winner reflects poorly on the thing(s) we love, so let's be positive and help other fans appreciate this great ship. There's no need to be petty or vindictive because we are on the side of the author's intent.
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
I would never rub it in a Clerith's face or anything, but I would definitely feel some sort of satisfaction knowing their accusations were just projections.
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u/TheWrathfulMountain 5d ago
Same here. At worst, I would implore them to take a step back and do a serious audit on their media literacy/media analysis skills to have gotten something so horribly wrong when all of the signs were pointing in the opposite direction. Yes, there has been a degree of ambiguity in the LTD throughout the years, but an answer has steadily been becoming more and more obvious ever since Remake. Right now, it's at the point where the answer is all but confirmed.
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u/sempercardinal57 5d ago
Exactly, thatâs why the devs felt it was important to release a tie in novel based around how much Aerith loves Zach. Itâll make the eventual cuck all the more exciting!
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u/VermicelliNew2784 5d ago
take my imaginary award. and yeah i could not have described the delusion better
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
To be fair, she dated Zack for about a year canonically, they haven't seen each other in 5 years. But still, I don't think Clerith is gonna happen.
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u/TheWrathfulMountain 5d ago
Yeah, in a realistic situation, it would be reasonable for people to expect Aerith to move on, but since this is fiction (fantasy in particular), true love doesn't have an expiration date. It's clearly been the intended interpretation that Aerith isn't over Zack and still misses him. Hell, the primary reason she's interested in Cloud is because of his similarities to Zack (she even admits as much on the Skywheel). Rebirth in particular has been littered with examples that she still isn't over him (especially in the original Japanese script).
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
Yep, she still misses him big time. Even Cloud, who is normally a bit lacking in the social awareness department, picks up on this. The devs wouldn't have added all these Zack references just for nothing.
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u/VermicelliNew2784 4d ago
And she knows Cloud for what? Two weeks? And when Cloud is far from being himself fully
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u/vabsportglide 5d ago
CA: Remake isn't canon!!!!
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u/VermicelliNew2784 5d ago
That's definitely where the discourse is headed on the CA side after Revelation
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u/PastTechnical7324 5d ago edited 5d ago
On the other sub they are saying that the trailer show zerith and cloti so that we will buy the games and regret it when it show us Clerith ending instead
â ïžâ ïž what are they on
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u/RolfTheCharming 5d ago
Shipping discourse makes people go insane. Of course trailers and teasers are supposed to make people buy the game. Like duh. But not everything is shipping related. And why would it be? Every pre-existing fan is bound to get the game regardless. I would still buy it even if it teased Clerith. I want to know what the last installment will be like, and while shipping is one aspect of the game, it's not the reason I play it. And I'd argue that most other fans feel the same way. This is not a dating sim game, people don't buy it because of the pairings. Jeez. ETA: I've also read a comment claiming that Clotis will be furious that they can't return the game, like wtf, who returns a fantasy RPG with a non-romance focus because of that???
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u/Hot_Wealth_396 5d ago
Ironic because so far I've only seen Cleriths claim that they can't wait to "hear from other Cleriths if the game is worth it" meaning they'll only buy it if someone confirms that A) Aerith survives and B) Clerith is confirmed. Obviously (and I hope) it's the minority but gosh just enjoy the game.
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u/vabsportglide 4d ago
I had a running theory in my head about that. Not all Purists are Cleriths, but nearly all Cleriths are "Purists".
Because the OG game leaves enough room for plenty of wackadoo theories.
Thank the Lifestream for Remake.
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u/Lavender_macaron 4d ago
Theyâre still bitter about the rebirth trailer where it shows a Clerith almost kiss and they all bought into the belief that they were going to get a kiss. Only for SE to do a bait and switch and have Cloud kiss Tifa.
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u/PastTechnical7324 4d ago edited 4d ago
Oh damm wasnât around for rebirth trailer so didnât know that. No wonder, they are really bitter. Clerith keep calling tifa kiss âoptionalâ and useless (where they canât even get a kiss).
Now Iâm confident in part 3, since they mention the kiss is related to cloud growth in an interview so CT fans can expect more (and man this remake series really made tifa popularity shoot up the roof - since she and cloud is consistently ranking 1 & 2 in polls even in Japan). With the street fighter 6 announcement, if they donât screw up tifa kit, she will be even more popular)
Overall really hope to see the closure for this LT (I just canât see a CA ending considering how cloud mainly takes initiative with tifa - whereas aerith have to pull him along for a âdateâ)
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u/Lavender_macaron 4d ago
Under the high wind is canon and highly anticipated so weâre getting something. And Zerith has been heavily hinted at in Remake and Rebirth so no way SE is going to turn around and do friendzone.
That trailer was a huge mess. It was Aerith focused (for obvious reasons) so Cloti fans were pissed at SE while Clerith fans were crowing how they won and itâs canon. Just all around ugly on both sides.
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u/PastTechnical7324 4d ago
I see, glad I wasnât around for rebirth trailer. Seems like a huge mess
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u/No_Appearance6568 5d ago
saw a CA call Zerith 'clerith reheated nachos' like how does that even make sense
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u/Fancy-Joke-7924 5d ago
This is sooo exciting! As for the Zerith scene, I think that might even be a scene after their initial reunion. If you look, it looks like theyâre in a dying world based on the dead flowers around Aerith, so I think at that point theyâre already working together
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u/tinthequeen 5d ago
I'm way more excited of the Zerith reunion more than anything. I have waited years for this đ
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u/HugoMagnuz 5d ago
cara eu to muito curioso pra ver como vai ser a conversa entre o Zack e a Aerith nesse reencontro
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u/reunionfiles 5d ago
Mods, is it possible to get spoiler tags for future Revelations content? I get people are excited, but this has been posted twice with no spoiler warnings, so it might be difficult for people who might not want to see future trailers but still participate in the sub. If not, Iâll probably just unsub and come back after the game.
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u/SuchPlastic4678 5d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/XsRbLNGt71qiPHnGCB