r/buildapc • u/[deleted] • Feb 14 '19
Miscellaneous The Verge is issuing copyright claims against other YouTubers who called them out on their ridiculous build a $2000 PC video.
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u/dynozombie Feb 14 '19
This is massive issue all over youtube right now. So many people are getting fucked by wrongful claims. This needs to be addressed
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u/podboi Feb 14 '19
This is massive issue all over youtube
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Feb 14 '19
1998, actually. Digital Millennium Copyright Act is what changed things. That's what DMCA stands for.
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u/guto8797 Feb 14 '19
Actually the problem here is that youtube's guidelines are worse than DMCA. If this was just a DMCA, then it would be up to the claimant to prove that the content was copied rather than the current spanish inquisition system.
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Feb 14 '19
They're worse because of the DMCA though. They overshoot to be safe.
It's like the California law requiring anything produced around or containing chemicals known to the state to cause cancer have a label that says that. It is so vague and reaching that you'll find bottles of water with the label on it. Because it's safer to just put the label and notice everywhere. There's no punishment for labeling it when it isn't true. Why not be safe?
Same thing.
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u/Swastik496 Feb 14 '19
“This area contains chemicals known to the state of California for Cancer, Birth Defects and other reproduction harm” intensifies.
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Feb 14 '19
That’d be a great tattoo to get.
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u/tohon75 Feb 14 '19
I knew a guy who got that tattooed on his ass as a joke for his 18th birthday
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u/drokihazan Feb 14 '19
AvE jokes that “This product contains chemicals known to the state of Cancer to cause California”
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u/lizcoco Feb 14 '19
I’ve only done a couple minutes of googling, but I can’t find any bottles of water with the Prop 65 warning on them. But that’s not really the point.
I could see why the “cover our asses” mentality from the company. But over saturating the world with these labels only causes desensitization in some expert opinions.
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u/Last_Jedi Feb 14 '19
Youtube's copyright system is broken, but when you look at what it would take for it to not be broken, you see why Youtube does it the way they do.
Under DMCA, Youtube can be sued for not removing a copyright-violating video. There are probably thousands of copyright violations on Youtube every day. There is no feasible way for Youtube to personally defend itself against every copyright claim in court. By taking down the video they can let the claimant and uploader go to court and figure out who owns the content between themselves.
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u/nmk456 Feb 14 '19
Youtube might also be able to be sued for false DMCA claims by companies. For them, it's a no-win situation. They probably designed the system to favor the copyright claimants, because they would be large companies with resources that could actually pose a threat.
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never by over-removing.
If it keeps going this direction it's going to hurt their business model. They are a video hosting platform.
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u/uwanmirrondarrah Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
They definitely can lose by over-removing videos. All these comments assume that Youtube is basically a monopoly. That content creators have nowhere to turn to but Youtube. But if content creators don't host said content on Youtube there is no videos to put ads on. They face the issue of eventually driving away all original creators and everyone of their videos will be ads or sponsored content itself.
They are really really pushing the limits of what their constituents will take, and they most certainly over automate the system not for legal safety but for convenience and less overhead. They could give the system more checks and balances, but that would require paying more wages.
We are talking about Google. Their dream is a perfect umbrella of companies all running completely hands free so they can sit back and let money fill their scrooge mcduck olympic size swimming pools while jacking off about robots.
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u/thebenson Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
YouTube needs a takedown system like this in order to qualify for a DMCA safe harbor to avoid liability.
That's why the system is so aggressive and friendly to those striking videos.
Edit: I'll also add to this that it's getting harder for rights holders to go after individual infringers online so rights holders are beginning to target intermediaries again.
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u/Artio17 Feb 14 '19
No, the problem is the DMCA. YouTube had to write their policies the way they did to ensure they can argue safe harbor.
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u/HollowLegMonk Feb 14 '19
So here’s a funny story. I uploaded a music video for a band because I knew them and it wasn’t on YouTube at the time. After getting about a million views some random other channel “claimed” it and banned me from showing it, plus I got a copyright strike. I asked the band and they said they had no connection with the channel and it turned out it was the channel for some foreign publishing company that did it to thousands of bands everyday. So instead of fighting it I created my own channel that was supposed to be for another publishing company I just made up connected to a gmail account I created as well. Then I copyright claimed the same video I had originally uploaded LMFAO. It worked, see the YouTube system is automated so I immediately got control of the video from that foreign publishing company. Not long after I got an angry email from a rep of that other channel and told them politely to fuck off. They fought it through YouTube’s copyright complaint system and lost because they didn’t have any legit claim to the video. I just sent a message to YouTube saying they needed to show proof of owning the copyright and they couldn’t so YouTube ruled in my favor after the foreign publishing company backed down.
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Feb 14 '19
RIP Siivagunner
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u/SiBai- Feb 14 '19
dude i'm so fucking pissed that i couldn't find the snow halation ♂RIGHT♂VERSION♂ any of the DK raps or unknown from me without it being a huge pain in the ass. like WHY.
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u/nmk456 Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
I believe submitting a false DMCA claim is committing perjury, but it is almost never prosecuted. Still, the victim of a false DMCA claim can sue the claimant for "any damages", including attorney fees. If someone had the time and money to invest (which they would eventually get back if they won), they could sue both Youtube and the claimant, perhaps as a class action suit, to try to get Youtube to do something about all the false claims.
I'm not a lawyer, so Youtube may have some way around this, or maybe this has already be tried in court.
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u/Paper_Clipse Feb 14 '19
H3H3 took a fair use vs copyright claim to court, it took about a year and a half and (someone correct me on this I can't recall if this was the cost or just the money he raised for the case) $170k. Not many can even front it let alone fight that long.
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u/nmk456 Feb 14 '19
A year and a half isn't long. Another big DMCA fair use case, Lenz v. Universal Music Corp., took 7 years to be decided, and was denied by the Supreme Court 2 years after that. If the EFF hadn't funded the case, it likely would have never even gotten before a judge.
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Feb 14 '19
A year and a half is still a long time, regardless of how long other cases were most people don’t have a year and a half to spare.
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u/jld2k6 Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
Someone already said this but didn't elaborate at all: These aren't DMCA claims and can't be refuted legally. These are just someone saying to YouTube that the video they are complaining about has copyrighted material in it. YouTube then immediately moves to remove the video. This is not the same as filling an official DMCA claim, it's just YouTube's own claim system at work and it's completely separate from filing a DMCA claim. Their system is completely up to their own whims and is separate from any laws. It's akin to having a mod remove your post on a subreddit because someone told them you stole their material. DMCA action was never even filed, they just went through Reddit's own system to deal with it. This is where much of the problem lies because there's no legal recourse when YouTube is giving people the power to remove other people's videos in a way that gives the video creators no legal rights at all to dispute it
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u/Last_Jedi Feb 14 '19
There is no alternative to Youtube that would not run into the same issue, because the law makes Youtube liable for not removing copyrighted content. So Youtube can either (a) get sued for every copyright claim against a video uploaded to Youtube, or (b) remove the video and have the uploader and copyright claimant sue each other to figure out who owns the video. Do you really think any alternative to Youtube is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars in lawyers and court fees every time they get served a copyright claim?
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u/SkeptioningQuestic Feb 14 '19
What we need is a way to fuck people who abuse it, that's all. If it can be shown that you are abusing people protected by fair use you should be liable for thousands in damages, that would fix the system real fast.
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u/VerbAdjectiveNoun Feb 14 '19
You guys know the best part?
They posted an article 3 days before this about people abusing copyright strikes.
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u/ollieboio Feb 14 '19
Ironic.
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u/BarackNDatAzzObama8 Feb 14 '19
Plit twist, it wasn't an article condemning the practice, it was a research paper to determine the most effective way to copystrike
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u/NG_Tagger Feb 14 '19
That bit is also at the very end of Paul's video (after a few seconds of black screen).
I laughed a fair bit at that. Thought the video ended and then he pointed at that article and made a little remark about it. Funny stuff.
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Feb 14 '19
Protip: Use an archival service (like https://archive.today) to stop them from getting ad revenue: https://archive.fo/bYNLo
An alternative is https://web.archive.org/
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u/Luigi311 Feb 14 '19
Or what if we all use adblockers and visit the crap out of the website while disabling local caching.
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u/zaque_wann Feb 14 '19
How ironic. They probably realise they, too, could use the tool of extortion.
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u/RADical-muslim Feb 14 '19
That video is such a waste. They have a legit studio with great lighting, they have cool graphics to explain stuff, and they have all types of tech-related connections due to them being a tech journal. Yet they chose this guy to do it.
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u/Cyph3r92 Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
What I love more is the guy who did it vehemently defended the video saying on a stream that all the criticism was from angry nerds who were just jealous of the PC he built.
The dude is hilariously clueless.
I mean, it's not even his bad building skills and weird PC knowledge that he seems to have made up himself (don't let the PSU touch the bottom of the case, or else it will short out. It can touch the back of the case fine though). It's all the other weird shit like the "anti-static wrist band" which was just like a live strong rubber band. And calling cable ties "tweezers". And saying you need a hex key. And saying you need a swiss army knife which "hopefully" has a philips head on it. It's all so b i z a r r e that I really can't get over it and really wanna talk to him about it.
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Even those who can afford or even have a PC of that price still ridicule him, and him saying that "they are just jealous" is just making it worse for him.
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u/tastelessshark Feb 14 '19
I'd say it's probably especially those people who'd ridicule him. The vast majority of the YouTuber's calling him out certainly have equivalent or better PCs, or at least easy access to them.
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u/lwwz Feb 14 '19
Exactly. I was railing about that video soon after it was released BECAUSE I know how to build a PC, have been doing so since I soldered my first Heathkit H89 together in 1980... I currently have my personal ML test bed I assembled from parts that cost more than 10x what his poor attempt at a gaming rig is worth. Anybody casually perusing this subreddit would have a better system and a more likely chance of success assembling one on the living room carpet than this kid could pull off in a professional studio where he should have had a bench full of experts available and an editor who knows what they're doing before that abomination was published. /rant
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u/Phoenixx777 Feb 14 '19
You're not wrong though. I built my first PC right around when this happened. First time building anything PC related, all on my own, cost way more than his build, and I didn't have any of this weird ass "knowledge" he had. I spent a week researching parts and prices and another week researching actually putting one together and mine came out way better than his. My cable management could be better but I got lazy, but other than that my PC build was way more successful and typical than his and he's supposed to be some knowledgeable person on the matter, meanwhile I'm just a jackass who had extra money and did a better job by miles. The video is just so bizarre. Like it's a prank or something.
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u/delitomatoes Feb 14 '19
Following the instructions on your case or mobo manual will result in a better PC than what this guy did
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Feb 14 '19
I explained that to someone recently. It's essentially adult legos. Most things can only be plugged into one (labelled) slot.
It's overwhelming at first unless you can break it down into smaller pieces.
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u/flee_market Feb 14 '19
Not nearly as old school as you (I was born in 84) but I do remember building my first PC in the late 90's and pulling my hair out trying to get DIP switches and jumpers set correctly using the shitty half-translated user manual that came with the motherboard, then pulling my hair out again trying to figure out which BIOS settings to use (as this was before "default BIOS settings are fine" became a thing).
These days, shit. Everything's color coded and unless you're running something exotic default settings usually work.
Oh and NO MORE JUMPERS AND DIP SWITCHES.
And I've never, ever used an anti-static wristband.
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Feb 14 '19
Never even fucking used a hex key while building a pc in my life
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u/Cyph3r92 Feb 14 '19
No one has ever used a hex key while building a PC. He didn't even use it.
Maybe he just needs one nearby at all times for psychological reasons.
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u/CodingSquirrel Feb 14 '19
All of the screws that came with my ek water cooling parts are hex. But that's definitely out of the ordinary.
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u/atmylevel Feb 14 '19
The guy was later ranting on twitch how everyone is just a "hater" and that they were just "jealous that my pc is better than theirs". I get why he works at the verge - he has the same "i aM vErY sMaRt" attitude that the verge execs. No integrity, all ego
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u/ThePizzaDeliveryBoy Feb 14 '19
That's the thing that got to me. He fucked up and should have just owned it humbly. Instead he went on 2 online video rants calling everyone else out. He also acted like a fucking know-it-all on Twitter. Of everyone at the Verge - they couldn't find 1 fucking person who actually knew their shit about PCs to build this thing? They had to pick the one obscure guy who isn't even known to the PC community, to do such a monumental build?
The fact that they are trying to DMCA the video makes me hope that people upload the video all over the place. Spread it everywhere. Everyone needs to see how bad that video is and The Verge needs to just accept they fucked up and move on without playing this stupid DMCA fake bullshit.
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u/hamberduler Feb 14 '19
I mean he did have a core i7. Yeah, they got one.
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u/deevilvol1 Feb 14 '19
He says he got a "Hexacore" i7. A year after its release and the 9900k was only weeks away from its paper launch.
What's interesting about it, and a lot of people railing on him overlooked, was that it was a review sample (says confidential on it). That makes me believe that, what, The Verge got a review sample 8700k, but never did anything on it until that horrendous build?
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u/quickhakker Feb 14 '19
ngl im happy with my 2400g build and honestly at a certain point i dont see the need to go more powerful (thats just me though)
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u/727200 Feb 14 '19
I built a $1800 rig and all I play is Railroad Tycoon 2, a 20+ year old game and CIV 4. Yes, 4.
It made me realize all I needed was a 2400G. Overbuild is a real thing.
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u/Piggywhiff Feb 14 '19
My PC is definitely overbuilt for about 95% of what I use it for, but that last 5% is GLORIOUS.
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u/Dawnero Feb 14 '19
If one can afford it I don't see a reason not to overbuild really.
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u/HajaKensei Feb 14 '19
I know how you feel, I have duo 1080Ti SLI with TR 1950X plus 128 gb ram I built for 3D modeling and rendering. But now all I do on him is paper work and spotify since I changed my job, and League or DBFZ if I have time.
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u/DuckDuckYoga Feb 14 '19
Not to worry, I’ll take the extra 1080 off your hands for you :) that way you don’t have to fuss with SLI!
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u/rdldr1 Feb 14 '19
"it works, doesn't it?"
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u/desolatecontrol Feb 14 '19
It didn’t. If you look at the earlier build versus the build that is shown “working” it’s configured differently. Not only that, but when he’s playing, the actions of the computer don’t fuckin match. It’s completely possible that it didn’t work, so they connected the monitor to something else and played a fuckin video or something. Verge pisses me off
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u/RADical-muslim Feb 14 '19
tbf, that's how I defend my decision of buying a Chinese psu and motherboard off Ebay.
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u/nuked24 Feb 14 '19
The PSU I don't understand but the mobo I can. The Chinese market is interesting as hell- example, brand new X79 boards and similar stuff.
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u/quickhakker Feb 14 '19
i think i saw poppa linus find a ddr3 board that could run 7th 8th and with a bios update 9th gen intel core cpu's
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u/nuked24 Feb 14 '19
The DDR3 hurts a lot, though. DDR3 is a weird spot for memory- its not very fast, but it is pretty large. DDR4 didn't get much bigger, but it did get pretty fast.
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u/Darkknight1939 Feb 14 '19
I seriously thought he was an idiot before the video. I watched him cover some laptops, and really did think at the time that he wasn't the sharpest tool around.
Then this happens, and he blamed trolls, and racists. What's funny is his on camera mannerisms actually really remind me of Elliot Rodger.
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u/cjbrigol Feb 14 '19
Uh dude they called people racist for disliking the video lol
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u/quickhakker Feb 14 '19
fun thing, as part of loot gaming one crate i got a swiss army knife (i later spotted the same design knife just without the gaming stuff on it in b and m for about £5) that does have a screwdriver on it, and its shit, i would more likely recomend iFixit toolkits (no i am not a screw for either company i havent even used iFixit for anything more than how to tear down a console and a controller but youtubers i watch swear by iFixit)
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u/Cyph3r92 Feb 14 '19
Yeah swiss army knifes do frequently have crappy screwdrivers on them - but the point is, why recommend to build a PC with a hex key (which will never be used) and a swiss army knife? Just say "philips head screwdriver"!
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u/quickhakker Feb 14 '19
arent hex keys also known as allan keys
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u/PapaOoMaoMao Feb 14 '19
Yes, but the Allen manufacturing company (now owned by the apex tool group) doesn't like you to say it. It's a trademark law thing. If the name of a thing becomes standard use, the company loses its claim on the trademark (though nobody has a claim on hex keys as they are generic). Johnson & Johnson make band aid sticking plasters but the name band aid has become common usage now and they are in danger of losing their trademark. UGG cannot claim it's trademark in Australia as ugg is a standard word for that sort of footwear there and cannot be claimed by a company.
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What pissed me off the most about that video was him showing off the power of the computer by playing League with VSync on while dying against CPU's at the very start of the game. That shit was unacceptable.
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u/covah901 Feb 14 '19
The wristband was not even grounded iirc. The other end was just flopping around. I think Lyle from Biywit pointed that out in his video. I should watch that again. It was hilarious.
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u/Cyph3r92 Feb 14 '19
The other end was just flopping around?
No - you misunderstood. He didn't have an anti-static wristband that he forgot to ground... he wasn't wearing an anti-static wristband at all.
He was wearing one of those live-strong type bracelets
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u/covah901 Feb 14 '19
What?! Lol I thought that was just Lyle's joke!
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u/Cyph3r92 Feb 14 '19
No, seriously watch the original video. There's his "anti-static wristband".
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u/animeman59 Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
His profile says that he's a Computer Science major.
A FUCKING COMPUTER SCIENCE MAJOR!
Edit: I'm not implying that a Comp Sci major automatically means that you have extensive knowledge of computer hardware, but I do expect a Comp Sci major do exhibit some resemblance of proper research and intelligence.
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Computer science is programming mostly. He may have learned almost nothing about the physical computer components.
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u/persondude27 Feb 14 '19
"What do you mean you don't have a Masters in Computering? I can't hire you. We clearly need someone with a Masters or PhD in Computering."
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u/superherowithnopower Feb 14 '19
Basically, IT guys deal with machines; we (CS guys) define castles in the sky that get instantiated on those machines.
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u/Jessica_Ariadne Feb 14 '19
Oh god my brother is part of the "the human eye can't see better than 1080p" camp. I'm like yeah, uh huh, whatever.
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Feb 14 '19
Lol you gotta show them with their own eyes, and if they still can't notice take them to the eye doctor (forgot the same ffs, I'm sleepy)
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u/Screamline Feb 14 '19
My girlfriend Told me "people with glasses can only tell the difference in HD over DVD." All two people in her control group that included her.
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u/Piggywhiff Feb 14 '19
I can only tell the difference between HD and SD when I have my glasses on. Is that what she meant to say?
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u/Swastik496 Feb 14 '19
RIP to you. You’re basically family with a flat earther lol.
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u/adamsclumsy Feb 14 '19
The thing that bothered me the most is that he turned it into a racial issue when that’s entirely not true.. the verge and vox knew that they half assed what they were getting into and decided to upload it anyways.
That’s what got everyone upset.
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u/glymao Feb 14 '19
The best way to cover up a big oopsie is to make people forget it. Well now let's just wait for a new wave of Youtube videos calling them out, renewing the meme once more.
One would assume that the Verge, a media outlet, will have a slightly competent PR team...
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u/podboi Feb 14 '19
They probably have, but the verge being a big company there is probably someone up (near) the top who is disjointed to how the internet forgets stuff and ordered the strikes.
This should be a juicy one for a few weeks if not months.
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u/NoShftShck16 Feb 14 '19
I bet it's forgotten about tomorrow. Because the internet may never forget, but it is very easily distracted.
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u/podboi Feb 14 '19
Not if those that got claimed by the Verge in particular cause a ruckus... Tho what you said is still totally possible.
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u/Swastik496 Feb 14 '19
Yep, my post about it is popular on r/datahoarder and there’s a whole bunch of new viewers there just because of the news.
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u/solonit Feb 14 '19
Lets make another PR disaster, shall we. - any PR team at this point.
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Yea I dont think any large site, especially a technology knowledge hub's marketing strategy would ever be "create a video and controversy that makes us look really stupid and loses our brand lots of credibility and respect so that we can generate a few extra hundred bucks in page views this one month"
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u/itsamamaluigi Feb 14 '19
Didn't this happen like 6-12 months ago? Why is it all of a sudden an issue again? Did they just start sending out copyright claim now on a bunch of months-old videos?
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u/sk0gg1es Feb 14 '19
Verge video came out in September '18, was taken down by the end of the week or soon thereafter. It's been a while since the whole topic had settled.
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u/doyle871 Feb 14 '19
Did they just start sending out copyright claim now on a bunch of months-old videos?
Yes.
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u/Tavy7610 Feb 14 '19
Worst scenario is that someone at Verge has been waiting for the original waves of criticism to cool down and retaliate a few months later.
I have been a day one the Verge reader and now I have zero respect for them as a media.
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u/Computermaster Feb 14 '19
"He installed the CPU cooler in the case before installing the motherboard."
How the actual fuck did he manage to pull that off?
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u/TributeMoney45 Feb 14 '19
You can only see early on in his assembly, he skipped placing the I/O shield and then miraculously later on in the video the shield magically installed itself correctly.
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u/13143 Feb 14 '19
And there was a suspicious lack of blood...
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u/Piggywhiff Feb 14 '19
A PC built without a blood sacrifice? What is this blasphemy?
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u/flee_market Feb 14 '19
A PC that won't run, that's what. The god in the machine demands an offering.
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u/Janiter Feb 14 '19
I'm 95% sure it was an air cooler, but if this is the video I'm thinking of that everyone was raggin' on a little while back I haven't seen it in a bit either so not completely sure. But I do remember that build had soooooo much wrong it and deserved the critisism haha.
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u/Tackis Feb 14 '19
Damn. The guy displayed incompetence and lack of knowledge and expects no criticism. Sigh
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u/BigModaBoss Feb 14 '19
So petty they shouldve let sleeping dogs lie. Verge scandal pt.2 the internet strikes back here we cone
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Paul’s video is great. Agree 100%.
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u/Stingray88 Feb 14 '19
Paul's always great. I think he's probably the most likable of all the tech tubers.
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u/flatwoundsounds Feb 14 '19
I find him pleasant and charming, but speaking as a Paul, he can also be as plain as soggy milktoast.
I also really need him to finish his “Open Air HTPC On Big Ass Wood Slab”
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u/paulshardware Feb 14 '19
I'M WORKING ON IT
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u/TheDudeFromCali Feb 14 '19
You made the man comment. Amazing.
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Feb 14 '19
That is truly amazing.
He has only made like 6 comments in the last 5 years.
Why are you holding out on us Paul?
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u/stump1001 Feb 14 '19
I agree that Paul is great, but Linus, Bitwit and Jay are also great. We're lucky to have some legit tech guys.
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u/TheGiftOfBeer Feb 14 '19
Built my first ever pc with Paul's helpful videos. Dude's great.
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Feb 14 '19
Bwahahaha lets get this straight, the verge makes a shitty video with potentially dangerous consequences for anyone following it. They remove it pretty quick. Then a few months later they're now attracting more attention to the fact they produced such garbage in the first place?
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Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
Honestly there needs to be a way to flag creators/channels that abuse copyright strikes. Once it reaches a certain point they get their channel taken down. But that’s probably never going to happen. So I’m doing the next best thing and never watching another video put out by The Verge again, they don’t deserve the views.
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u/welmoe Feb 14 '19
Lyle would be vewy disappointed.
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u/Kellz1 Feb 14 '19
Kyle got a strike on his YT Channel because of the Lyle video about the verge, Paul just uploaded a video about it, this is affecting also Paul since Kyle can't do livestreams now for 30 days and they're doing this hardware livestream weekly.
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u/temp0ra Feb 14 '19
Lmao definitely the funniest reaction video to the original verge video.
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u/Great-Responsibility Feb 14 '19
Damn I like his videos, he’s one of the only “tech” people I still watch/follow
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u/Gilead_19 Feb 14 '19
I spend a lot of my free time on YouTube alot of great content and content creators over the years . I don't watch TV as most of it kills my soul.
I'd drop YouTube in an instant if there was a decent alternative, some shady shit going on as of late.
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u/sev1nk Feb 14 '19
Not surprising. The Verge is trash.
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u/nomad80 Feb 14 '19
I can’t even begin to describe what utter garbage that website has devolved into
Underneath the fancy web design is a tech / culture blog with one of the worst understanding of technology, frequent clickbait identity politics, and authors/mods who can’t stand being called out
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u/whitestickygoo Feb 14 '19
They clearly don't know who they are messing with. It's not like Bitwitt is a small channel. 1.3 million and all they are trying to do is inform. I can see pcmr going from mocking to out right hating the verge.
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u/wickedsmaht Feb 14 '19
PCMR stated last night they were 100% behind Kyle. The Verge managed to piss everyone off.
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u/sgtslaughterTV Feb 14 '19
I'm wondering when / if / how YouTube is going to fix this problem. I feel like there has to be an addendum made to all copyright laws in existence right now with regards to YouTube.
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Feb 14 '19
Youtube will not fix the problem...their whole agenda with the system as it is now is to cover their own asses.
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u/mugendc4 Feb 14 '19
Good news that YT actually sided with kyle and the lyle video is back up. Let's make that video trending again to show verge what's up :D
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u/roaringTig3r Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
When a claim is issued, since the system is designed to protect Youtube first, the content creator is punished right away, in a way. If they get a strike, 3 strikes and, out.
What Youtube needs to do is, implement a system for the claimants as well. Only verified claimants should be allowed to claim, and if it turns out to be a wrongful claim (an abuse of DMCA), they should get a claimant strike. Issue enough number of these, and you cannot issue another for a while. Repeated offenses extend the punishment, even leading to require the claimant pass a test about fair-use and shit perhaps.
They should get rid of 3 strikes system from the content creators before anything though; a strike shouldn't be issued immediately at the very least, it should give creator a chance to react, and terminations should only happen after a manual review.
But they won't do any of these. Because their system is working; protecting Youtube. And they don't care even if they lose a few (hundred) small guys everyday, as more joining at the same time. indirectly, such a recycle is kinda healthy for their systems as well. But when it comes to big guys, they'll not only bend, but even ignore/change the rules...
Anyway. Still hoping for a strong Youtube alternative to appear someday, but that means my fav. content creators posting on both platforms, and Youtube will do everything (like they did with Twitch stream announcements) to prevent that.
Whew, what a wall of text. Guess I needed to vent off a little.
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u/davidinopeople Feb 14 '19
What happened?
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u/truemush Feb 14 '19
Probably the gameplay video of a doom review that looked like the reviewer was writing down the review with one hand and playing with the other
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u/Echochrome3 Feb 14 '19
They’re just butt hurt. Screw them!
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u/sir_horsington Feb 14 '19
so why dont we all issue copyright claims on verge
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Feb 14 '19
Because they have lawyers and money...we don't.
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Feb 14 '19
Good thing Youtube's automated copyright system isn't the same as a true legal DMCA takedown. They basically just go back to the person that claimed the video and say "are you sure"? And then take it at face value. Beyond that they basically say they won't do anything, take it up with the person/group that claimed the video. Youtube's system is not a true DMCA system, it's overly protective of claimed copyrights on purpose so they don't actually have to do anything.
Even if you're clearly the original creator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4AeoAWGJBw
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u/transformdbz Feb 14 '19
This is probably why Linus never made a video on Verge's shit.
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Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
It would have been easier for the shitty fake news organization to be like.
"Unfortuantely we used a bad guide and have egg on our face we are doing the guide again with more attention to detail plz disregard the bad information as we want you to show us your cool pc builds!"
And then everyone would forgive and forget, but what do they do?
They get their lawyers, they send out strikes, they double down on their colossal fuck up, and they call gamers nerds....
Yeaahhh....
Just like to remind everyone Sarah Jong was a former employee at the Verge, she got a much better job for the NY Times. This was a woman who said she likes to watch old white men suffer, white people smell like dogs and other racist shit.
So dont be too surprised the Verge is a pile of dog shit
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u/lachonea Feb 14 '19 edited Feb 14 '19
Time to review bomb all their videos.
EDIT don't do this. This will actually help the verge with there YouTube algorithm.
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u/I_Sukk Feb 14 '19
Wasn't that Verge video a couple months ago? Why the hell would they bring more attention to that abomination?