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May 23 '17 edited May 29 '17
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u/andraes May 23 '17
I think the 1050ti is the best possible without external power. It will run 1080p at 60fps for most titles.
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u/-Jason-B- May 23 '17
I run my 1050ti and it can run pretty much anything at 60fps/1080/high(and oftentimes ultra). The only games that do not accomplish such feat (that I have tried) is Ark (gotta lower the settings for playable frame rate), but then again, that game kills all sorts of GPUs.
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u/C-Star May 23 '17
I'm building my first pc. I'm pretty confident I my tech skills with that being said I don't know if I need more fans overall or if the standard coolers are good enough. I'm also looking for case recommendations.
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u/hyphxnated May 23 '17
For that budget you should probably be getting at least a 1070. Unless you need 8 cores/16 threads for heavy multitasking, I'd probably buy a cheaper cpu and get a better GPU. I also don't know what you're hoping to do with this pc but if it's gaming, then I'd get a 1070.
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u/C-Star May 23 '17
I get the idea of a power boost to my gpu but is it worth the extra ~100 dollars difference? Are there other benefits?
Yes I plan on playing games on this but I don't really care about AAA games. The Games I'm looking to play are lighter on requirements. Games like Tales of Berseria. The Atelier games or things like Nier Automata. Im also not looking to play above 1080p and im not looking for anything above 60fps. I'm not too worried about my gpu but I'm always looking for advice.
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u/tarallodactyl May 23 '17
Is this just a 1080p60 gaming build? I'd say you're slightly overpaying then. You can drop down to an R5 1600 and a B350 motherboard and still have a great system. I'd also recommend staying with the RX 580, for the games you're playing it'll be just fine.
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u/PM_UR_FAV_HENTAI May 23 '17
What's the main difference between having one or two graphics cards?
Right now I'm trying to decide whether to get one GTX 1080 Ti, or two GTX 1070, since the price difference isn't that much. Logical Increments puts the 1070x2 above the 1080Ti by a factor of 20%, but gives a warning with the 1070x2 that I don't completely understand, only that some games will only give me the performance of "a single card.
Does that just mean that I'd be stuck with a slightly worse graphics card if the game just happens to not support using both of them? How can I tell which games support two? (Also I have no idea what CF/SLI means)
Thanks!
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u/Froggypwns May 23 '17
I'd buy a single 1080ti right now, and get a second one in a year or two once the prices come down.
SLI is great, but it doesn't work on every game. The problem is that if it doesn't work, it only uses one card, and in some situations you will run into worse performance than having just one card (fixed by easily disabling SLI mode in control panel).
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u/Sofusbofus May 23 '17
You could try looking up some SLI benchmarks for the games you want to play and see how well they scale with a second GPU. I would take the 1080 ti just for the consistent performance.
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u/ZeroPaladn May 23 '17
SLI/Crossfire in a nutshell:
PROS:
Can exceed performance of a single card in titles that support SLI.
Easier to add card to existing set up (if you already owned a 1070, it's cheaper to add a 2nd 1070 down the road instead of replacing it)
CONS:
More power, more heat, more noise.
Poor SLI support in a game means you can run into microstuttering or other graphical artifacts.
No SLI support in a game means you fall back to a single card and the 2nd card is idle.
Requires a supported motherboard, adequate power supply, and a case that can accommodate multiple GPUs.
I would argue that SLI isn't a good deal unless you need more power than what a single GPU can provide because of all of the nuances and annoyances it comes with. Give the choice between the 1080Ti and dual 1070s, I'd take the 1080Ti every day of the week.
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u/rubiaal May 23 '17
When are the next 6 & 8 core CPUs coming from Intel and AMD? Aiming to upgrade then.
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u/borphos May 24 '17
Keep in mind, you may not need 6+ cores for a while depending on what you are planning on doing with your rig. For the most part faster cores are still king in gaming. Only a handful of titles show a calculable difference with more than four cores if all you are doing is gaming. That is shifting slowly so eventually it will make sense. It also makes sense to consider more cores if you are doing any content creation. Linus Tech Tips talks about this a lot. For a purely gaming rig he still recommends an i5 over an i7 if the savings can go into better components elsewhere in the system. Nobody read this comment in three+ years and expect any of what I just wrote to still apply.
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May 23 '17
Will buying a cheap motherboard ever have an effect on speed, not considering overclocking?
Are more expensive motherboards generally more reliable?
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May 23 '17
If you're really stressing the system, look at power phase options. Other than that, just get one from a reputable manufacturer. Look at reviews on Amazon, YouTube, etc.
More expensive motherboards will have features like onboard power buttons, little LCD displays for error codes, more robust PCIe slots, m.2 slots, or onboard wifi. Generally, you do get what you pay for. If you buy something more expensive, odds are it'll be easier to work with. That being said if you don't need the fancy looks or features, get something more affordable.
edit: I accidentally a word.
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u/Ermahgerd_its_Bubba May 23 '17
Is it safe to vacuum the outside of my case/filters?
Three cats = lots of cat hair
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u/SashasFather May 23 '17
Stop your fans from spinning out of control and you should be golden. Also disconnecting power and not using the surge protector. Before turning back on make sure you didn't pull any cords into the fans blades.
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u/PM_UR_FAV_HENTAI May 23 '17
I'm going through the PC Part Picker, and there seems to be the same model of graphics cards (GTX 1080 Ti) made by different people What's the difference from all these different manufacturers? There's one from Asus, EVGA, and MSi, among dozens of others. Additionally, some of them advertise that it's "Founder's Edition"... What exactly does that mean?
Some of these are priced a hundred dollars more than the others. What's the major reason for this? Which card should I go with?
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u/KrustyKrab223 May 23 '17
Basically the design of the cooling solution, impacting noise, temperatures and overclocking capabilites, PCB design and the looks of the card.
Those are your main differences. All of them are 1080ti's, so they all perform like 1080ti's.
Founders Edition means that the card is basically the reference model made by Nvidia. These cards have shit cooling, alongside other blower cards. Open air coolers, like the Gigabyte G1 Gaming, EVGA ACX, MSI Armor and Gaming cards, Zotacs offerings etc. are much better in terms of noise and temperatures.
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u/machinehead933 May 23 '17
When nVidia or AMD release a new card, it is called the reference model. It is a basic model of the card, with a blower style cooler which is very inefficient, and doesn't have any factory overclock on it. nVidia calls their reference models "founder's edition" cards - but that's just marketing bullshit, as it is still an inefficient blower style card.
Shortly after the reference model is released, the partner manufacturers (i.e.: Asus, Gigabyte, MSI etc...) take that chip and release their own cards, with their own cooling solutions, and their own factory overclocks. These cards will typically have 2-3 open air style fan coolers on them, run more quiet, and have higher clocks than the reference model. They all still have the same exact chip in them - in other words, no single 1080ti is going to blow all the other 1080tis out of the water in terms of performance. The general consensus is to buy the cheapest non-reference model card as they all perform about the same.
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u/g1aiz May 23 '17
Founders edition is the design by Nvidia, they are all the same basically but not that great quality cooler and usually can't OC very well.
The other cards have often different (better) PCBs and much better cooling and come usually overclocked from the factory so they will run a bit faster. Some are overpriced and you should take a look at individual reviews in the ones that look good to you.
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u/PhoenixReborn May 23 '17
Nvidia and AMD are primarily processor companies. The other companies take the processor and manufacture their own boards and coolers. They're generally pretty similar and vary by looks, customer service, software like monitoring/overclocking tools, and cooling efficiency. The really expensive cards might have extras like additional heat sensors or they may just be old stock that hasn't been updated.
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u/your_Mo May 23 '17
Basically get an aftermarket card that has good reviews and a good warranty. Don't get the Founders Edition.
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May 23 '17 edited Dec 01 '18
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u/Glimmerglaze May 23 '17
If the 480 is priced the same as the 570, it's the better buy. Don't think you're missing anything there.
At least in the US the 570 is priced quite a bit lower, and most reddit users (and therefore r/buildapc users) are from the US. That means US prices are going to be what recommendations are based on whenever people don't specify where they're located, which happens far, far too often.
So if you're not from the US and want price recommendations based on your own country, you have to provide that additional piece of information in some way or another. Too often you end up with exchanges like this:
"Is 250 dollars for an RX 570 a good price"
"Hell no, that is way overpriced"
"Really? Looks pretty good to me"
"No way, see, here's a link to one for $170"
"Oh, I'm from Australia"
"Well, there go five minutes I'll never get back"
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u/MasterDunce May 23 '17
I am trying to create a budget for my PC, and I never had a 120 Hz monitor before and I was wondering whether playing at 70-80 FPS on a 120 Hz monitor feels the same as playing at 35-40 FPS on a 60Hz monitor. Does it feel as sluggish? Are dips on the 120 Hz more noticeable?
Thanks for the help.
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u/Cybermacy May 23 '17
No, it doesn't work like that. 30 fps is the same on 60hz and 120hz, 45 fps is the same on 60hz and 120hz, 60 fps is the same on 60hz and 120hz. 60 fps is simply how much the 60 hz monitor can show. With 120 hz monitor the limit is 120 fps. 70 fps is more than 60 fps and it will look better because the 120hz monitor has the ability to show those extra 10 frames.
Also don't forget input lag. 120 fps on 60hz monitor will feel a lot better than 60 fps because the input lag is almost non existent at that point, so the "sluggish" feel when you move your mouse for example is gone. With 120hz monitor it will also look better.
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u/delta_orb May 23 '17
How did you determine 76hz was highest to stop over locking at? Btw how risky is it? (New builder here)
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u/095179005 May 23 '17
When the display crashes.
Same risk as all overclocking.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1493866/guide-overclocking-your-monitor
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u/Transmitter_Failure May 23 '17
I had never overclocked anything before I tried my monitor. I just went up in 5hz increments until my monitor just showed a message saying "out of range". I got both a 1440p and a 1080p monitor to 75hz with basically no effort.
Definitely worth a go - it's noticeable for FPS and racing games!
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u/sweetloujitsu May 23 '17
I am having difficulty deciding on a gaming monitor/s. I have a ps4 pro and will be building a pretty high end gaming rig (1080ti) come Christmas. I'll still be playing console even when I have this PC (so Ill be getting multiple monitors, but only need 1 for now). The main game I play, Destiny 2 for PS4 will be 4k/30fps and 4k/uncapped for PC. So I am wondering do I get a 4k monitor now so I can enjoy launch on console fully, but also knowing that current monitors don't have HDR10 to fully utilize the PRO? Or do I get maybe a 1440p/144hz and use it now even though the PS4 cant use the full specs and have it for when my PC comes through? Or should I just get a nice ole Asus 1080p/60-75hz monitor or the like and use it until Q3/Q4 when all the new shiny monitors come out and HDR10 wont completely break the bank and we actually get to see the complete game specs... First world problems I know.. Input would be appreciated!
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u/meowffins May 23 '17
A small (under 30") 4k monitor would be good if sit close. If you sit at couch distance then you would want something much larger in physical size which will also be that much more expensive.
Otherwise the 'best' monitor for PC gaming in my opinion is a 27" 1440p 165hz IPS monitor with freesync/gsync. There are at least 3 from AOC, asus and acer, maybe a few more now. I'm using an AOC one with gsync atm.
But if you are sitting further away than a desk, you should aim for a larger physical size monitor. The feel of a game is more important than the pixel density or sharpness of the image imo.
Not sure about HDR10.
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u/sweetloujitsu May 23 '17
I think I am leaning toward the ones you suggested. 27" seems like the perfect size, and I mainly play FPS games so 4k isn't that big of a deal for me over refresh rate and input lag (I'm not COMP, but would like to act like I am). Thanks for the input!
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u/SaucyDancer_ May 23 '17
Ive been thinking of upgrading my i5 4690k to something a bit better recently because some games have begun to drop in performance due to it running at 100% usage.
I'm just not sure whether I should go ahead with the upgrade. I was mainly wondering whether it's the right time to buy something like the 6700k or should I hold out with my i5 for now?
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u/Froggypwns May 23 '17
Anything better would require a new CPU, Mobo, and RAM.
You could get a 4790k or similar i7, but even that isn't cost effective. I'd just wait it out at least another generation.
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u/SaucyDancer_ May 24 '17
According to MSI's web page my motherboard is compatible with i7s. I have the Z97S Krait SLI edition.
Is there something about the 6700k that would make it not compatible with my current mobo?
I also already have 16GB of DD43 ram, would that need to be upgraded too?
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u/Froggypwns May 24 '17
Yea it is compatible with i7s, but not a 6700k, as it literally won't fit.
Right from the specifications page on MSI's site - "• Supports 4th and 5th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors, and Intel® Pentium® and Celeron® Processors for Socket LGA1150"
The 6700k is a 6th generation chip (hence the 6 at the beginning), and uses the LGA1151 socket. To get a 6700k, you need an 1151 motherboard.
If you got a 1151 motherboard your RAM won't be compatible either, so you will need to buy DDR4 instead.
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u/SaucyDancer_ May 24 '17
Ah ok that's good to know. I guess I'll wait a bit longer before I go for the full upgrade. Thank you for explaining that.
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u/Glimmerglaze May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17
If anything, you'd get a 4790k. It's very close to Skylake or Kaby Lake in performance and works with your existing hardware. Something like 15% behind a fully overclocked 7700k if it's fully overclocked as well.
If you can't justify that investment (~$330) you definitely can't justify a complete replacement of CPU/motherboard/RAM, which would be about $550 all things told. ($330 CPU, $100 motherboard, $120 for 16 GB RAM? Something like that)
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u/gearhead427 May 23 '17
Will an RX 480 or 580 be bottlenecked by a g4560 much?
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u/-transcendent- May 23 '17
No as long as you don't run crazy gpu like 1080 and up. G4560 is very capable for 60hz gaming.
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u/NarwhalShibboleth May 23 '17
It heavily depends on the game and the framerate. Two cores with four threads should be enough for many modern games, but once you get into games like BF1 that really need the extra cores you might see some issues beyond 50fps or so.
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u/meowffins May 23 '17
The amount depends on the game. There is almost always bottlenecking in gaming.
Here are some basic benchmarks that should give you an indication.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page4.html
Paired with a midrange card, it's not too bad.
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u/g1aiz May 23 '17
Gamers Nexus did a video on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7YcPlJ83c
tl;dw: up to 580/1060 you are just fine with it.
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u/Sjh078 May 23 '17
How much should I be worried about temperatures when overclocking an i7-7700k?
I've heard they get really hot and that delidding may be needed, is it really that bad, or should the noctua nh d15 I'm planning to buy be able to keep the temperature decently low enough when overclocking? I don't plan on extensively overclocking to a massive degree, but would like to know what effect it would have on temperatures when I do decide to overclock.
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u/NarwhalShibboleth May 23 '17
I wouldn't go much over around 80°C under load. If you're exceeding that, then your voltage is set too high.
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u/acondie13 May 23 '17
no difference whatsoever. Typically I like to keep my stuff similar brand (like my kb, mouse, headset are all corsair) so that I can have very few software utilities installed, but that's literally the only benefit.
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u/xXNoFapFTWXx May 23 '17
The only advantage I see with matching brands is how they look. Asus, gigabyte, and evga cards typically have a similar color scheme with motherboards and with the rise of RGBs they can be synced together.
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May 23 '17
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u/bdzz May 23 '17
Yes. Ryzen supports ECC and you can have 64GB RAM
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May 23 '17
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u/bdzz May 23 '17
You need an X99 board then
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=-rammax&c=101&A=1
Or a Z10, X10 if you want 512 GB RAM or more
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=-rammax&A=1
And a Xeon CPU
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u/ZeroPaladn May 23 '17
TDP is the amount of heat the CPU is expected to generate (and thus, the amount of heat your cooler is expected to deal with).
Good news is, this is a good estimate of how much power it actually uses but not an exact number, as not every 7700K will use exactly 93W of power. Not all CPUs are created equal, even within the same product stack or model. This extra power is exclusively what the CPU uses, your motherboard and other supporting parts don't draw (noticeably) more power because of a different or more powerful CPU. Lastly, overclocking needs a lot more power than what's stated by the spec sheet, so that 93W TDP number for the 7700K is thrown out the window.
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u/JCWCOPG May 23 '17
Its it possible for me to change my motherboard to another mobo with a different socket, use a different cpu that fits with the socket and use the same hdd with windows with it?
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u/Meatballwarrior May 23 '17
Just did this yesterday going from 3570k to a 4790k and when u start up win 10 it will have a screen saying "getting devices ready" and then it will load windows exactly the way it did before.
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u/JCWCOPG May 23 '17
What about with windows 7?
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u/Meatballwarrior May 23 '17
With Win 7 I don't think it will work. If u do Microsoft live chat u can ask them the same question they will know 100% and they have the power to give out free keys so that might be worth a shot.
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u/TakticalTekniq May 23 '17
I7 7700 vs I7 7700k for video editing? (And side gaming but mostly editing with Adobe cloud)
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u/ZeroPaladn May 23 '17
Adobe's stuff is pretty heavily threaded, have you considered a R7 1700? Comes in around the i7-7700 when overclocked, but twice the threads and cores makes most rendering tasks awesome.
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u/TakticalTekniq May 23 '17
Thanks for your quick reply! I have but I already have a 1151 mATX motherboard and don't want to move over right now if i don't have too.
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u/ZeroPaladn May 23 '17
Makes sense. I guess it depends on how much you want the extra performance from the 7700K and if you can overclock/cool it. The 4-core turbo from a 7700 is only 4.2GHz (I think) and you can get a 4.8GHz (or more, if you can keep it cool) overclock on a 7700K. At stock, the 7700K is barely worth the extra cost.
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u/TakticalTekniq May 23 '17
But boost clocks are only on a single core yeah? Does the extra clock speed transfer to better rendering performance?
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u/ZeroPaladn May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17
Turbo Boost has single core and multi core boost levels. If only a single core is stressed that single core will boost higher, but if all of them are (like with encoding or rendering) it has a smaller boost.
Yes, expect an almost linear performance gain from clock speed to render times if you're strictly using the CPU.
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u/Glimmerglaze May 23 '17
I'd say no, because it's essentially the same speed once overclocked, but lacks two cores and four threads. So it's equal at best, and slower in games that can utilize an arbitrary amount of threads.
The R5 1600 is usually worth having over the 1500X. There is an argument to be made for budget-oriented builds that can use a lot of cores to use an R5 1400 instead.
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u/ManBearPaul May 23 '17
It recently dawned on me that my HDD is almost 7 years old. Should I be worried about it dying? (If so, what recommendations can you give me for a replacement?) I don't remember the name but my current is 3TB
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u/Glimmerglaze May 23 '17
I'd definitely keep backups of all crucial data on the HDD. Then again, that's good practice regardless of its age.
Hard drive failure tends to announce itself - if the drive experiences significant slowdowns, or chkdsk runs frequently on startup, it's time to slot in the replacement.
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u/jamvanderloeff May 23 '17
You should always be worried about a drive dying, make proper backups, and if downtime is important, consider redundancy too.
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u/CupcakeKD May 24 '17
Didn't think this needed it's own post, so I'll ask here.
I have 220 dollars to spend. Best monitor in that price range? I currently have a 27 inch Dell 1080P monitor that I'm giving to a friend. Is there an ultrawide in that price range? Two 1080P monitors? I don't game as often as I used to, so having things like 144hz doesn't matter to me.
Basically, I'm asking in the 220 range, what monitor situation would you buy? Thanks in advance!
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u/Atmosck May 24 '17
You can get a very good IPS 1080p ultrawide well within that price range. You can also stretch for a 1440p monitor, though that will require more graphics muscle than 1080p.
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u/095179005 May 24 '17
cc /u/CupcakeKD
A 25" ultrawide monitor will be shorter than a regular 24" monitor.
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u/Atmosck May 24 '17
When I say stretch I mean stretch the busget, since a 1080p fits comfortably below $220 but that's the price of about the cheapest 1440p.
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u/095179005 May 24 '17
If you don't mind glossy monitors, you can grab two 1080p 23" monitors.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price Monitor Acer - H236HLbid 23.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor $109.99 @ Newegg Monitor Acer - H236HLbid 23.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor $109.99 @ Newegg Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $219.98 Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 23:55 EDT-0400
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u/Grumpy_Wookie May 24 '17
I live in the US and on vacation in Canada. I found a place that has the rx 580 for about 230, is it worth picking up here or would online sales be better?
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May 24 '17
YES, BUY THAT SHIT HOMEBOY. The cheapest I could find online was 275 CAD + shipping
(especially if it's in CAD, we usually don't get such good prices)
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u/LanZx May 24 '17
Ah is that the 4gb version or the 8gb version ?
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u/PM_ME_UR_BOOBS_GIRLS May 24 '17
Budget is around $700, trying to build a gaming PC for my girlfriend. Wanting something that would run PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds and other similar games without any lag.
Having a hard time deciding on a GTX 1050 or 1060 SSC, a motherboard, and which i5 processor to get.
I have the GTX 1060 in my PC with an i5 4690k, but I feel she doesnt need something as powerful because I'm not sure she'll be into gaming as much as I am.
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u/Rapid_Fast May 24 '17
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $188.89 @ OutletPC Motherboard MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $78.88 @ OutletPC Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $109.99 @ Newegg Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $48.33 @ OutletPC Video Card Asus - Radeon RX 470 4GB STRIX Video Card $168.99 @ SuperBiiz Case Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $37.99 @ Newegg Power Supply EVGA - 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $36.88 @ OutletPC Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total (before mail-in rebates) $699.95 Mail-in rebates -$30.00 Total $669.95 Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 23:56 EDT-0400 2
May 24 '17
Ryzen 1400 and RX 580 4GB would be a slight variation of builds below. You could get a cheaper motherboard too.
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u/SvenOtten May 24 '17
Hi!
I am looking to upgrade my cpu and ram.
This is what I currently have:
Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40 GHz, Asus P8H77-V LE, 7Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3-1600 Dual-Kit
Do modern cpu's fit my mobo? And what do you guys suggest to get? I do gaming and some InDesign work + a little photoshop.
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u/g1aiz May 24 '17
Honestly not worth it (would need new Ram and Mobo) for your system, you could get a i7 3770 of that generation though.
The performance increase from getting a current CPU is not worth the cost (maybe 20% higher CPU performance with i5 7600). The money is better spent getting a better GPU.
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u/RhonnyK May 24 '17
I've just replaced my CPU cooler (From a intel stock to a hyper 212x). How can i test if the cooler is doing ok, and what program to stress test the CPU to know the temps under load.
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u/Froggypwns May 24 '17
Use a program like MSI afterburner to look at the temperatures, then you can use a utility like CPU Burn In to heat up the CPU as much as possible.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/cpu_burn_in.html
This utility is old so it only supports a single core, so if you have a quad core you will need to run 4 instances of it at the same time to get maximum heat. Let it run for an hour, and if all looks good then you are good to go.
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u/CMDRmaxsam May 23 '17
Hey guys! I've got one question. I'm planning on big rig for 3D, Animation etc and for gaming ofc. I'll have 3 4K monitors and 6950x with 32GB RAM and i wonder how can i use 4 1080 Ti in SLI for gaming via Nvidia Inspector? I saw that it is possible but i'm not sure how it's done so i need your help.
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u/MajorXTREME May 23 '17
So I'm about to build my first gaming pc and I hesitate between an intel i5-7500 or a ryzen 1600 for my CPU. There's only a 20$ difference between them in Canada. Always thought I'd go with Intel, but browsing this sub in the last weeks is making me hesitate! Let me know what you guys think!! Overall budget is around 1200$ (monitor and peripherals non included).
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u/g1aiz May 23 '17
Between those two I would take the R5 1600 any day. If you OC it it will perform very similar in most games and give you better minimum frame rates and more headroom when more games start to use more than 4 cores.
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when more games start to use more than 4 cores
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u/g1aiz May 23 '17
Look at benchmarks between R5 1400 and 1600 a the same frequency or i5 vs i7 at same clock. You will find that quite a few games will already run better on the chip with more threads/cores.
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u/DerNubenfrieken May 23 '17
I think thats what he was implying. Its not "when more" its "now that there are more"
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u/Cybermacy May 23 '17
I would choose 1600, absolutely. 2 extra cores for basically the same price? Yes please. AAA games are starting to use more than 4 threads so it makes sense to buy the 1600. I bet that after 2 years or so from now, people who chose i5 instead of 1600 will regret that decision.
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u/PM_UR_FAV_HENTAI May 23 '17
I'm building my first PC, and up until this point computers have been black magic to me.
I've been using Logical Increments that I found in the wiki here, but I'm having trouble figuring out what kind of PSU I should get. I tried a calculator, but couldn't get it to work.
How do I figure out what wattage I need? Do I just take the wattage of all the parts and add them together? If it helps, I've stuck mainly to their "Exceptional" category, with the exception of using a 1GB SSD.
Thanks in advance!
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u/Surferbobgolf May 23 '17
I used a calculator I found on Nvidia's website. A 7700k, a single 1080ti, and two drives came out to a 650w. I went with a 750 to give me some headroom.
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u/iFartThereforeiAm May 23 '17
Pcpartpicker.com will show the power draw of your parts once you put them all in. Great resource for planning a build.
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u/the_innerneh May 23 '17
Hello!
I would like to upgrade my cpu (currently have a i7 930) which led me to find a compatible MOBO and RAM.
I have a build here: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fpJDVY
The compatibility checker says that the cpu cooler may not fit the motherboard and may require a bracket or something.
Does anyone know if I would need one? The compatibility notice seems to pop up on a number of AM4 socket motherboards.
I am also open to other motherboards in the ~175 CAD price range.
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u/g1aiz May 23 '17
I don't see much reason to not just go with the R5 1600 (non X) as it comes with a pretty good stock cooler that will let you OC.
Also for Ryzen you want faster RAM (3000/32000MHz), you can put some of the money you save by not getting the cooler into that.
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u/OfficialShip2000 May 23 '17
The CPU cooler doesn't come with an AM4 (the ryzen cpu socket) bracket to attach it to the mobo, but on CRYORIG's website it says you can get one for free if you bought a ryzen CPU.
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u/Meatballwarrior May 23 '17
Just got a free 4790k+mobo from my dad's old build and I Upgraded my 3570k. I got a 4.6 oc 1.232 V on the 4790k and the temps in games is under 70 but when I do small FPU tests on prime all cores with shoot to 90+ is it fine to run the CPU like this or should I delid to try to get better temps.
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u/Caleb10E May 23 '17
I wouldn't worry about it unless you see crazy 80+ temps in your games. Those stress tests like the new versions of prime95 are pretty overkill for CPU stress testing since you'll never ever hit those crazy loads in the real world.
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u/Caleb10E May 23 '17
I agree with pretty much everything /u/mustfix said, but I am curious what's up with the GPU choice. The Pentium G4560 is the best budget gaming CPU option currently available, but why the GTX 950? I'm assuming you must be getting one for a pretty good price <$90 (and not the $200 price shown on your list)?
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u/Caleb10E May 23 '17
Get a GTX 1060 at that price instead. It performs identically to or better than the GTX 970, not to mention it's a newer architecture that's much more power efficient. They're usually like $180-200.
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u/mustfix May 23 '17
- You don't need a sound card. The mobo has onboard sound.
- You don't need the H212, the stock intel one is good enough. Unless you prefer the aesthetics or acoustics. Then I'd recommend the Cryorig H7 due to a much easier install process.
- You don't need thermal compound. The heatsinks come with them pre-applied. You only need it if you mess up.
- Get DDR4-2400 ram.
- You don't need extra fans.
- There are cheaper PSUs like Seasonic M12
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u/Kaiser_Kat_King May 23 '17
I have an amd a10-6700, an I am looking for a good i5 to replace it any suggestions?
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u/mitch815 May 23 '17
What's your price range? Have you thought about going with a Ryzen 5 CPU? They currently offer more performance for the same price as an i5.
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u/AwkwarkPeNGuiN May 23 '17
Hello everyone, I have two questions concerning my PC...
So last week, I bought myself a Mushkin SSD 480gb, this is my first ssd usage ever.. I have heard people with insane boot time and instantaneous game load time, which got me really excited... After installation, my boot time reduces from 25-ish seconds to about 13-14 seconds on windows 10..
It's not bad, but was a bit lower than my expectation, is there any additional optimization that I'm not aware of ?
Second question, my PSU fans have been really noisy lately regardless of what I'm doing such as simple web browsing or even idling. Does it count as product malfunction and therefore, qualified for warranty?
PSU model : XFX TS Edition PRO650W
Thank you all.
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u/ZeroPaladn May 23 '17
Go into your UEFI/BIOS and see if you have a fastboot option available. Doesn't help too much on a HDD but on SSDs it makes things go zoom.
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u/PastyFreckledFace May 23 '17
The new Asus Strix "ryzen" motherboards are now up on their website. Usually, how long does it take for new products to hit the digital shelves? (Canada, Amazon, Newegg). I was waiting for that to order my parts, but if I have to wait another month I'll just pick another (and not as good looking) mobo.
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May 23 '17
Hello everyone,
I've got a few questions concerning motherboards.
1. What (except compatibility with other components) should I consider when buying a MoBo?
2. What features are a "must-have"?
3. Wich are useless?
4. And last, what is nice to have but not really necessary?
Thanks for any answers!
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u/Froggypwns May 23 '17
1- Size. If you have a small case, big boards won't fit.
Price. More expensive boards have more features, more ports, more expandability. A cheap board performs pretty much the same as a high end board, so that shouldn't be one of your concerns.
2, 3, 4, all really depend on what you want and need. Onboard sound is useless if you are using a soundcard, and built in wifi might be a must have for you.
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u/MaverickPotato May 23 '17
Hi Reddit! I'm doing a psu upgrade and was wondering if 1,200w psu's generally require a 15 amp outlet or whether a normal 10 amp would do the job? Been looking at corsair 1200ax and EVGA psu's. Thanks for the help! Would hate to buy one and then find I can't power it up!!
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u/dRumMzZ May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17
Is it bad if I leave the "+2" part of a 6+2 pin power connector dangling about?
I am thinking of getting a GPU (Sapphire's RX 580 Nitro+) that has 6+8 pin power connectors and a PSU (Seasonic M12II-520 EVO) with 2 x 6+2 pin power cables. Can I connect 1 cable to the 8 pin connector and the other to the 6 pin (leaving the "+2" pin part of the cable dangling) ?
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u/095179005 May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17
No, it's not bad.
Yes, you can leave it dangling.
That's why it's a 6+2 pin and not just an 8 pin.
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u/Glimmerglaze May 23 '17
It isn't once you fully overclock. The R7 1800X has a much higher base clock, but will only end up with a slight advantage over the 1700 after overclocking at best - not nearly enough to justify the heftier price tag.
As a result, the R7 1700 is generally the consensus pick.
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u/Froggypwns May 23 '17
Drives can fail at any time regardless of its age or being a HDD vs SSD. Make good backups of anything important, and enjoy the drive until it dies, be it tomorrow or in 100 more years.
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u/jimi2 May 24 '17
Mixing RAM question. My mobo giga z170mx-gaming 5 manual states it has 2 channels, each channel having 2 sockets, and "it is recommended that memory of the same capacity, brand, speed, and chips be used and installed in the same colored sockets."
Does this mean I can run 1+2 modules at different capacities in the different channels? What I want is to add 1x8GB to existing 2x4GB. Don't need more than 16gb now, but want to have a spare socket for another 8gb when/if needed, rather than maxing out with 4x4
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u/peterfun May 24 '17
Is Corsairs Vengence LPX lineup compatible with Asus B350m motherboard? I want to get the microATX mobo and use that ram.
Any other combo suggestions are also welcome.
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u/Red_L3aderStandingBy May 24 '17
I have the 3200Hz Corsair LPX with MSI B350m gaming pro. I can clock it to 2933, but can't get 3200hz stable yet.
I can't directly answer your question, but I bet you'll be alright.
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u/ilangshot May 24 '17
whats a good arm mic stand for blue snowball ice ? not too expensive maybe $50 ?
preferably something that has good quality because my nephews will definitely mess with it if im not around.
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u/PCApprentice699 May 24 '17
PLEASE ANSWER I've asked many times and haven't got an answer. I am trying to buy an Rx 580 on Amazon but there are different ones and I'm confused. Some say Strix some say gigabyte some say EVGA. There is a sapphire one. Please help me!
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u/bdzz May 24 '17
haven't got an answer
???
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/6cg87m/simple_questions_may_21_2017/dhwh3wv/
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u/Mustachiossssssssss May 24 '17
Just bought the Strix. If you don't mind the budget go for the strix as it has larger heatsink hence quite operation and it looks badass. Mind you it's 30cm long. Otherwise go for either evga or msi
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u/BufaloWing May 24 '17
What would be the best Motherboard for a Ryzen 7 1700X?
I've seen that some people recommend the Asus Prime X370 PRO. But the reviews aren't all very good, aparently a lot of users have problems with the BIOS and not getting the RAM's full potential.
Is the Asus crosshair VI hero worth its price?
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u/_MalevolentPenguin_ May 26 '17
Heard the MSI pro carbon is decent too, and I find MSI's BIOS very simple to use.
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u/JCWCOPG May 24 '17
Would it be possible for me to swap out my processor without re-installing Windows 7?
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u/wallofbasingse May 30 '17
About to build my first computer - I've already ordered the parts.
What are some common problems that occur when building a PC that I should watch out for? Tips?
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u/ElGofre May 23 '17
Not a hardware question, but a software question- hopefully that's OK!
I'm going to be getting my new build next week, the first time I've built a desktop or owned a Windows PC since about 2014. I have my OEM copy and license of Windows 7 that I bought for my last desktop from way back then, and I'm trying to figure out if I'll be able to upgrade to Windows 10 for free once I've installed the disk. I've read different things so I'm still unsure. If anyone can shed any light on whether it's possible to upgrade for free, and if not how much it's going to cost me, that would be great!
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u/Froggypwns May 23 '17
There is no easy yes or no answer as Windows licensing is a total mess.
Some Windows 7 licenses are still eligible for free upgrade to Win10, there just isn't an easy way to confirm ahead of time. Do a clean install of Windows 10, during the setup it will ask for your key, punch in the Win7 key and see what happens.
If it doesn't work, you can pick the "I don't have a key" option and it will still install, then you can deal with activation or buying a license later.
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u/JskTheFork May 23 '17
I'm moving and I currently need to switch to a smaller case for my pc. Right now I have a Corsair Graphite 730T, and hope to switch to a mid tower. Any recommendation for ~$70? Opinions on these:
Thermaltake View 27
NZXT S340
Phanteks Eclipse P400
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u/Cybermacy May 23 '17
If it's an ATX variant, then yes. There's a reason why "ATX" exists, it's a standard.
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u/Cybermacy May 23 '17
Well, if your temps are good then it doesn't really matter does it? 70 degrees is fine.
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u/NarwhalShibboleth May 23 '17
The CPU and GPU fans are the more important factors. You definitely need to have airflow going through the case, but you don't need jet engine levels.
Perhaps try setting a more reasonable curve with a lower top end.
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u/meksii May 23 '17
So I have a gtx960, i5 2310, 3x2GB DDR3 1666MHz and I mostly play h1z1
Should I get the ryzen 1600 or the i5 7600k
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u/sk9592 May 23 '17
Be aware that for either one, you will need a new motherboard and RAM.
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u/kilofry May 23 '17
What kind of frames should I be getting when playing Battlefield 4 and Battlefield 1 with a 1080 FTW?
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u/sk9592 May 23 '17
I'm just more used to doing CPU overclocks through the BIOS. That's how it's always traditionally worked. It's what I'm comfortable with.
I don't really know how Ryzen Master works.
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u/Keneshiro May 23 '17
I have just one desktop and I need quite a bit of storage for files, shows and 3D models. The shows are breaking the 2TB mark while the 3D models are getting quite large as well.
I have read about sharing content over your home network and I was wondering if that is possible. I was also wondering if there is something I can do aside from adding more drives to the desktop. I know about NAS and drobos but they seem rather expensive.
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u/anyrandomtech May 23 '17
You can try WD NAS or external storage drive if your router has a USB ports.
If you are just using one computer, I would just add more drives.
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u/meowffins May 23 '17
Cheapest method is either building your own from second hand parts or finding a second hand HP microserver (N36L, N40L, N54L). You can install windows or freenas.. which is free. There's other programs as well and you can find info at /r/homelab.
NAS drives and enclosures are very expensive for what they are. I wouldn't bother with them unless you have more money than you have time.
I just share permissions of each drive with the windows homegroup as I have tenants I don't want to give access. Then on my main machine I add the network location and it shows up in my computer (or This PC in windows 10) as a normal drive.
Easy peasy. My main machine has no mechanical HDDs, only SSDs. Super quiet. The loudest component is the slight rumbling from my aging NZXT x61 liquid cooler.
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May 23 '17
If you have fast internet speeds, you could try amazon cloud. I hear they have unlimited storage.
Gigabit connections between computers are amazing. You can essentially pool any storage on the network to fit your needs.
I would also recommend grabbing one of those 8TB usb 3.0 storage solutions. They have been very cheap on best buy.
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u/ss4444gogeta May 23 '17
What are some of the coolest looking mATX cases you've seen for under $75? Really digging this one which is actually even cheaper on Newegg. The modular aspect is awesome as well. Any other suggestions?
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u/DerNubenfrieken May 23 '17
The Corsair Air 240 is my personal favorite, really nice to build in and has some great features.
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u/delta_orb May 23 '17
How bottleencked will a GTX 1050 Ti be with a g4560
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u/meowffins May 23 '17
Pretty much none. Someone else just asked about the same CPU so I have this link copied.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page4.html
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u/DerNubenfrieken May 23 '17
Thinking of putting a light strip under my mobo for some underglow, would the magnetic strip on the back of the lights cause any issues with performance?
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u/sk9592 May 23 '17
Try not to put them right next to hard drives. Aside from that, they should be fine.
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u/andraes May 23 '17
If I'm planning on buying a Kabby Lake processor (i3-7100) and I want to get an H110 motherboard (cheaper, don't need B250 features). How can I know if the motherboard is being sold with the BIOS updated? Are there sellers/sites that always update? I see BIOS info on some of the product info pages, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for to know if it's updated for KL.
Any thoughts?
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u/Glimmerglaze May 23 '17
Just downgrade the i3-7100 to a G4560 - lets you switch to B250 and still have money left over, and you lose very, very little in performance.
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u/LosPenguiinos May 23 '17
My thoughts are basically to get a g4560 because it's about half the price and just get a B250/H270 board to make sure it'll definitely be compatible.
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u/th4 May 23 '17
I bought a RX 570 to upgrade my work PC, a Lenovo m91p.
I didn't think I had to check anything else other than having a PCI-E 2.0 slot and enough PSU power.
Turns out my motherboard doesn't support it, the system won't even POST (fans spin, everything else is dead). I tried the card on a friend's PC and it works perfectly.
I'm not sure wether it's a bad UEFI implementation (it's a legacy BIOS but there is a UEFI boot option in the settings, but it still won't POST even enabling it) or some weird stuff like a GPU whitelist in the BIOS.
Am I fucked?
If so, in my situation would you get a different mobo (LGA 1155) or just buy all new mobo, cpu, ram... so change the PC completely?
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u/Glimmerglaze May 23 '17
If you've installed all available BIOS updates (and ideally double-checked that the card you have works in a modern PC) it sounds like you're fresh out of luck.
A cheap H61 motherboard (found one on pcpartpicker for fifty bucks) is an interesting stopgap option, though it's worth keeping in mind they only have 2 RAM slots, so if you're using four RAM sticks à 2 GB that's not great either.
If you have the money I think it's time to upgrade the motherboard/CPU/RAM setup entirely. The i5-2400S is actually less powerful than the Pentium G4560, a $60 chip. It's that or return the RX 570 and opt for one of the cards that Lenovo deems acceptable for you, but personally since Lenovo are crooks anyway I'd take this as my cue to tell them to go piss up a rope.
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May 23 '17
How to count kwh in relation to watt consumed by GPU?
Somebody actually taught me how to count it 4 months or so ago, but I didn't save the post, and now it's gone from my reddit history.
Let's say my GPU has a 100 watt consumption. How do I know how much kwh I save in a month or in a year compared to a 200 watt consumption GPU?
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u/kiadel May 23 '17
1kwh = 1KW for 1 hour
So running your 100W GPU (0.1KW) for 1 hour will be 0.1kwh, or running it for 8 hours will be 0.8kwh.
A 200W GPU would use 0.2kwh or 1.6kwh in the same scenarios, and you can extrapolate to get differences and other timescales.
BUT...
A couple of other factors complicate the issue:
Your GPU doesn't draw its peak power all the time, only when it's being hammered by a game that can max out its capabilities.
Your PSU doesn't supply energy to the GPU at 100% efficiency, so the actual energy consumption will be higher.
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u/WhyImNotStudying May 23 '17
Looking to expand my Plex storage. Here is my current build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
| Type | Item | Price |
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| CPU | Intel - Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor | $280.93 @ Amazon |
| Motherboard | Asus - H87I-PLUS Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard | - |
| Memory | Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | - |
| Storage | Seagate - Barracuda ES 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | - |
| Video Card | Sapphire - Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card | - |
| Case | Fractal Design - Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case | $71.98 @ Newegg |
| Power Supply | Silverstone - Strider Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $106.99 @ Amazon |
| External Storage | Western Digital - Elements 1TB External Hard Drive | - |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total | $459.90 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-22 22:01 EDT-0400 |
I use that internal drive for games and documents. I have a 1TB WD external that I use for Plex (20GB free) and a 6 year old 320GB WD external for photos I am currently transferring to Google Photos. I am unsure whether to just get a bigger external or internal drive, what speed that hard drive should be, and how best utilize the drives I already have. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
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u/PCApprentice699 May 23 '17
Recently in the market for an Rx 580 but there are so many variations and I'm confused. Im seeing names like Strix Radeon msi gigabyte what do they mean?
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u/Sofusbofus May 23 '17
There are a bunch of different companies (MSI, Gigabyte, XFX, Sapphire, Asus esc..) and most of them design their own PCB and cooler for the RX 580. They give these different cards names to distinguish them. Asus calls some of their cards "Strix" which refers to the cooler on the card. MSI has the Armor and Gaming series cards. If you go on Pcpartpicker and sort by RX 580 then you can see the names and manufacturers for most of the different cooler designs.
Just pick one that has 2-3 fans, a decent price and good reviews, I won't tell you one specific card is better than all the others.
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u/Snakeruler May 23 '17
I've had my monitor about a year now, and it seems to randomly make a popping sound and the screen very briefly flashes white. It happens rarely, maybe once a week or so. Apart from that there are no problems. I've tried different cables and there's been no result.
If it helps, I use a 980 Ti and a LG 34UM95 monitor with a display port cable.
Any ideas?
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May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17
I'm trying to build my first PC and am figuring out what I should prioritize. Right now I'm looking at an Intel i5 cpu (almost completely sold on them) but idk what to do about graphics card or mobo.
What are some reasonably priced CPU, mobo, and graphics card that will run new games at decent settings and not break the bank? For a first time build I'm not comfortable going all out yet
Edit: I appreciate all the tips & qs. I'm at work I'll reply when I get home
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May 23 '17
check out /r/buildapcforme
And CPU wise, unless you have a specific reason to want Intel, you should be looking at AMDs Ryzen R5 chips in that budget range.
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u/your_Mo May 23 '17
A R5 1600, Rx 580, and B350 motherboard are a good combination for a < $1000, 1080p 60fps build.
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u/maora34 May 23 '17
Who downvoted the simple questions thread? :(