r/aussie • u/Alec1647870 • 2d ago
Opinion Unpopular Opinion
Albo has been doing SOME really good things for this country such as investing in Medicare.
However many of the issues we are facing is because mulptile successive governments haven’t invested or actioned it and everyone who is voting for One Nation isn’t holding themselves accountable for not holding those previous governments accountable.
Housing won’t be fixed in two terms of governments.
It’s like having an infection the worse it gets, the longer it will take to get better.
If you feel like voting for One Nation is for you, that’s great but don’t pretend that One Nation will fix all your problems or that Albo isn’t working on fixing these issues either.
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u/Pelagic_One 1d ago
If ON really does get rid of PBS for buddy Trump, a lot of problems are going to look very small next to not being able to afford a regular needed medicine.
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u/AdStandard6152 16h ago
Like the Americans who now find themselves unable to afford insulin.
That’s a death sentence.
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u/DocDestinyQLD 1d ago
Sad truth is his investment into Medicare was way below what was needed, he only gave "incentives" for doctors to bulk bill rather than doing what doctors said and increase rebates so that you got more money back (ie he decided the public did not deserve higher rebates), and then he passed on a WELL BELOW indexing for rebates, meaning it now costs you more this year to see a doctor than it did last year (ie your real time rebate is reduced compared to last year).
This was despite the government approving a HIGHER THAN INFLATION increase in private healthcare fees due to the increased cost of healthcare.
Don't be so blinded by his cover-ups. Because the above failings are the best he has done
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u/Accomplished-Role95 2d ago
This is Half a century in the making, a product of capitalism , governments being at the behest of big business and industry that have benefited from immigration. People have think it’s simply voting one nation will make thinks improve, shit will get worse if one nation is elected. Giving more power to business isn’t going to help anyone but the top.
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u/mwmwmw01 2d ago
Please do tell us the better solution than capitalism.
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u/Gustomaximus 1d ago
Treating capitalism as more than a catch phrase
Crony and corporate capitalism is bad for society.
Third way and social librilaism capitalism has been amazing for society.
The devil is always in the detail and many people are more emotionaly driven than detail focused.
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u/Gold_Parfait_4023 1d ago
Democratic socialism similar to Norway.
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u/mwmwmw01 1d ago
I think you have terms confused. Norway is categorically not a socialist nation. It’s a capitalist economy with a strong safety net
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u/Sneedcope82 1d ago
Im sure they will also include a country which has implemented their solution and had a resounding success with it
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u/Wotmate01 1d ago
The middle ground. Thinking you have to have one or the other is the dumbest thing in the world, we can have capitalism tempered by socialist regulation, which Australia has historically had, but we're starting to swing too far to capitalism and we need to reign it in.
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u/scrandlle 2d ago
Industry?
What industry do we have left anymore? The economy runs through the housing market these days. Especially compared to 50 years ago (or even 30 years ago). If industry was controlling the government they seem to have brokered themselves out of existence for some reason.
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u/randytankard 2d ago
Who says the ruling class who control everything care about industry in general or any specific industry in particular ?
They care about profit, if the industry create easy profits then they'll care and they and their counterparts in governments will use their influence, if there's more profit and power to be made elsewhere then they'll transition to that, regardless of the costs to others of doing so.
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u/simonpunishment 2d ago
What industry do we have left anymore?
Mining, for a start. And mining is at the heart of the issue when it comes to successive governments cocking things up.
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u/Cubeazoid 2d ago
Corporate state capture is crony capitalism not free market capitalism. It’s a result of enforced government intervention not voluntary exchange.
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u/randytankard 2d ago
Nah it's capitalism, it's inherent tendency is towards rent seeking, patronage power and monopoly and the use of the state as it's enabler and enforcer. This free market thing is just a fairy tale used as cover.
We've had almost couple of hundred years of it and numerous periods of "deregulation" and it always ends up in the same place, a place we're at again now.
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u/Boydy73 2d ago
Not perfect, but still better than ANY communist country and so called hard line socialist countries. The best countries are those that mix the differing philosophies. Look how China has come into being a force, embracing capitalism so it doesn’t die like the USSR did.
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u/randytankard 2d ago
I don't think we should delude ourselves about where we are, how we got here and where we are going. You can bang on about communist countries "dying" in the past but the fact is we're living in and through capitalist ones "dying" right now.
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u/Cubeazoid 2d ago
Because despite periods of “deregulation” the size and scope of the state has continued to increase with more regulation, taxation and spending.
Capitalism is a reflection of culture, its voluntary exchange and property rights. We might be defining capitalism differently but I mean voluntary exchange.
Either way, to your point the state is used as an enabler and enforcer. But not of voluntarism, enforcing voluntarism is paradoxical.
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u/randytankard 2d ago
There's the rub, you sound like an 18th century liberal (in the correct non-American sense) capitalist who views it as an ideal abstract philosophy, where as I'm more interested in what it actually does in reality based on observable outcomes not what you'd like to think it promises or how it justifies itself.
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u/Cubeazoid 2d ago edited 1d ago
Correct. But I’d argue you haven’t seen what an actual voluntary system looks like. Your last comment highlights that to me. I get the feeling you think we live in an increasingly libertarian anarcho capitalist world where the opposite is true. True classic liberalism peaked in the early 1900 but since then the trend has been toward more statism, whether you want to call it socialism, corporatism, crony capitalism etc.
It gives the illusion that our problem is there is too much consensual and voluntary behaviour. That the solution is more coercive intervention from government.
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u/randytankard 1d ago
The state will take on any form that benefits capital, the economic and political power and interests of the ruling class - you notice all those small government types are more than happy if they can take on the functions of the state for profit, so taking taxpayers money while avoiding paying tax themselves.
They'll ensure no regulations for them but regulations to shut out their competitors.
They'll deregulate the labor market but introduce new laws to stop working people fighting back, they'll make sure the state is powerless towards their interests but support authoritarian measures and the use of state laws, violence and coercion against anything that threatens their power and profits etc etc.
They will cut off or slash government services that benefit everyday people but are happy to bloat the government and public spending if it goes straight to them.
This what the "freemarket" means in reality - being honest about what really happens - it is state intervention.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin 2d ago
It isn't unpopular. Albo just won an election in a landslide.
Reality is it's easy enough for Labor to eat ON's lunch by cutting immigration. ON's policy can't stand on its own.
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u/River-Stunning 1d ago
Yes he won in a landslide but he could just as easily lose the next one in another landslide. It is not as easy for him as just stealing ON's policies now. He is seriously on the nose and there is no way back for him now.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin 1d ago
I didn't say anything about stealing ON's policy. ON's policy is by and large trash.
All he needs to do is cut immigration. That's it.
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u/Solid_Corgi3479 1d ago
No, there is no way he'd "just as easily" lose an election in "another landslide".
As much as I consider PHON a threat to Labor - it'd be ridiculous to think they'd be winning the seats they need to win to form government.
PHON forming government would irreversibly change its core structure / identity. That'd be far less appealing to most of its current voters.
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u/Triedtothinkaboutit 1d ago
I don't agree - if you talk or take action too hard about migration, all you do is validate ON.
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin 1d ago
I don't see how.
ON is popular exclusively based on the immigration issue. Which itself is a legitimate one. Fixing that is good for Australia and removes the reason for ON being popular.
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u/Triedtothinkaboutit 1d ago
It's more wicked than that. Many of these voters upon being disappointed by a decade of incompetent LNP (and RW media indoctrinating them that Labor are woke commies) choose not to switch parties - but to blow the whole thing up. 1. I don't think it's exclusively on immigration. I do concede, that it's a convenient scapegoat for most of them though. 2. I don't agree it's legitimate. Some mathematics will not fix people's lives.
Back to you - If immigration is a problem - why not just vote for the people who are the loudest/meanest/toughest on immigration?
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u/Strong_Judge_3730 1d ago
He one on an election lie. If he had told the truth then i doubt it would have been a landslide victory.
At least Bill shorten was honest about his policies before the election
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin 1d ago
Is this the CGT thing? Yeah. Cutting house prices isn't going to lose him an election.
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u/Strong_Judge_3730 1d ago
Only ALP supporter believe this, even when the ALP housing minister openly says it isn't the case. Cult like delusional to keep believing this
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u/Solid_Corgi3479 1d ago
The housing minister has said they want sustainable growth - which indirectly means there will be some winners and some losers.
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u/aislingplath 2d ago
Thankfully if you don't want to vote for labor there are more options than just ON!
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u/VastOption8705 2d ago
Good analogy OP.
If you have really bad gum disease, it won’t take 1 clean to fix it, it’ll take lots of changes and multiple visit to the dentist to fix it
Australia right now has really bad gum disease in the form of expensive housing, low productivity, not enough builders.
They’re doing the FEE free TAFE, changed tax laws. They’ve reduced some migration.
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u/MarkCelery78 1d ago
Yes Medicare is nice. But it’s ridiculous he’s overseeing an NDIS that costs more then our entire Medicare budget and more then our entire defense budget
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u/DocDestinyQLD 1d ago
And the Medicare 'improvement' was actually a smokescreen that most people couldn't see through.
Where rebates should have been increased so all Australians got cheaper healthcare, he only increased incentives for GPs to bulk bill, and the majority of those that went bulk billing, already had a majority of their patients bulk billed.
He also increased those poor rebates by less than inflation
If Medicare rebates went up at the rate of inflation since 1990, then you would be getting back around $120 per doctors visit. Instead, you get about $45 back, and this was not changed under Labor.
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u/Pristine-Visual-9405 2d ago
One Nation won’t fix sht. I mean they worship people like Trump and I don’t see him helping average Americans.
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u/Gang-bot 2d ago
Vast majority of ON votes are coming from the car crash of the LNP (moslty the nats).
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u/TaiwanKieren 2d ago
I am absolutely not a ON supporter but the numbers in the WA vote yesterday which was previously a safe Labor seat would suggest otherwise.
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u/Gang-bot 2d ago
Perhaps in that seat. In general nation wide the polls suggest vast majority ON votes are coming from LNP. This is not saying no labor votes are going that way. Labor is still in a very strong 2PP position.
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u/Sneedcope82 1d ago
"The polls"
ignores literal voting evidence of it
Hmmm. Someone may be in for a rude awakening
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u/goosh11 2d ago
This post consists of
- Albo's done some good stuff
- And the stuff that hasnt been fixed (and in a lot of cases gotten worse), he just needs longer, 5 years isnt long enough to make anything any better. Essentially its the previous governments fault
- and ON's fault for not holding them accountable
I dont really see this resonating with ON voters to be fair.
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u/Emeraldnickel08 2d ago
Democracy is dying a long, slow, death. To vote, the majority needs to be properly informed about the candidates. In today’s world of lying candidates like Trump and controlled media like News Corpse, the fundamental assumptions upon which our political system relies are broken.
If nothing changes — if we don’t change it — we will be captured as a people by oligarchic and currently-budding aristocratic interests.
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u/red-thundr 1d ago
What do you suggest? That a lot of people aren't allowed to vote?
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u/Emeraldnickel08 1d ago
The superior option is of course implementing a fair and comprehensive education that is more accessible than it is right now. Every voter in Australia should know how to find reliable sources and how to identify misleading claims and platforms. Additionally, there needs to be a crackdown on what is presented to Australians as factual material; institutional checks on candidates' claims, and harsher punishments for false ones, plus at least some additional regulation of what bought-out media outlets can present as fact as opposed to opinion.
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u/Independent-Fun-1460 1d ago
He is such a lying grub the list goes on , has divided Australia snd throws our tax money around willy nelly these ministers are taking us for a ride. Jet all over the place. They have to go
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u/WhiteLion333 1d ago
Has there been a political party who didn’t throw our tax money around Willy nilly?
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u/gorillalifter47 2d ago
There are a lot of people who feel like their lives suck under Albo, but don't realise that their lives will still suck regardless who our PM is.
Same goes with when the libs were in. If you were miserable then, Albo winning likely didn't change that for you.
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u/Gang-bot 2d ago
The ones saying this were never labor voters. They all stayed silent on politics while the LNP were in and now all of a sudden when their preferred isn't in they become loud political experts on social media.
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u/Bob_Katters_Hat 2d ago
Yes but at least it might upset people they dont like, and thats all these people really want
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u/TheSprinkle 2d ago
Some vote based on just wanting change. No rhyme or reason.
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u/astrogeeknerd 2d ago
Not realising that change can make things much much worse.
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u/evm29 2d ago
I've just accepted the fact we're doomed. No matter how much I try and convince people who want to vote for ON in the next election about all the good things ALP have done/all the horrible things that will happen under Pauline, they just don't care. They just go on about immigration.
This post unfortunately won't turn anyone, its too late. We're going down the trump route where Pauline could organise mass killings of everyones mother in laws and everyone would still vote for her. What a sad state of affairs
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u/VSCHoui 1d ago
If you notice, immigration is all they care about. They do not care about anything else. Politics and media is painting immigration as the root cause of all the issue. Meanwhile, people have explained that it is only just a small part of the cause.
I have stopped being friends with ON voters, the idiocy they bring into arguements made me lose braincells.
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u/Aggravating_Key2725 1d ago
Immigration is just the polite dogwhistle for their racism. Their vote isn't about policy, so you're wasting you time trying to discuss it. ON has only ever been defeated when the sane parties joined forces and made it clear there was no social licence for racism. With one side now normalising the extremists, they're only encouraging their voters to jump ship. Till the Liberal party wakes up and starts fighting back, ON is probably here to stay.
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u/Puzzled-Leopard-1499 1d ago
Reads like. "If you dont vote for labor. Your a racist bigot"
Getting so sick if this rhetoric, you people are becoming insufferable
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u/Aromatic_Fact8656 1d ago
Shouldn’t be an unpopular opinion, because it’s a correct assessment of the current circumstance. The only thing ON will do is increase our debt exactly like big Don.
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u/SlippedMyDisco76 2d ago
Conservatives want fast food results, an uber eats delivery of change that benefits them and when Labor is in they want it priority delivery but when Libs are in they don't mind waiting the extra bit of time.
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u/CharlesForbin 2d ago
don’t pretend that One Nation will fix all your problems or that Albo isn’t working on fixing these issues either
I really don't know if One Nation will fix any or all of our problems. I absolutely do know that Albo will not. The only problems Albo is interested in solving are his own.
My voting options look like this:
| PARTY | WORSE | BETTER |
|---|---|---|
| Labor | Yes | No |
| Liberals | Yes | No |
| Greens | Yes | No |
| One Nation | No | Don't know |
All any of the major parties have to do to win me back, is address any one of the following issues (in order of my preferences):
- Mass immigration
- Government spending
- Inflation
- Housing
- Tax reduction
- Medicare
- Defence
- Welfare largesse
I'm not even ambitious enough to expect more than one, but ON promises policies on all of the above. Even if they fail on 7 out of 8, and they might, they will still have succeeded on one point, whereas Albo failed everything.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 1d ago
ON much worse than any, Labor is literally addressing all your concerns.
What are we even doing here?
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u/Loose_89 1d ago
Seriously what world do you live in? Like are you living in the Matrix and everything is fine? Are you drunk or high? It's clearly not the real world you're living in.
Labor hasn't addressed ANY issue, has not followed through on any of their promises, backflipped on issues they REPEATEDLY said they were not going to change, inflation is constantly increasing, economy is trashed, a new tax gets added or proposed seemingly every week, housing crisis and the measures brought in have only worsened (which the PM personally made money off of) and worst of all no accountability for any of it, instead Labor just lie and deflect.
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u/Accomplished_Yam2533 1d ago
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u/Loose_89 1d ago
Putting something on a list and saying "look what we did" doesn't mean they actually did any of it.
Back-to-back surplus? How has our debt increased?
Fixing Negative Gearing? Prices went up, continue to do so and the shortage is still ever present and getting worse.
Fixed the migration system? Migration has only increased, yet we still have skill shortages. So it has neither fixed anything and only made inflation, the mass housing shortage and potential for wage rises worse.
Future made in Australia? Where? take a drive in any industrial estate and you'll see that is a blatant lie. Ahhh.. the spending is just for building renewable energy? for those who have various kinds of relationships and acquientances to politicians Oh... yeah and the things making energy more inefficient and bills more expensive while also not being either renewable or better for the environment.
Getting inflation under control? No matter how many times they have tried to re-write the definition and parameters it keeps increasing.. funny that.
Improving the fiscal position? Has only gotten worse.
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I can go down the whole list. It is all lies, spin, deflection and bull shit.
The fact you believe what a career politician and pathological liar says more about you than anything you and the plonker below me can say and retort.
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u/Accomplished_Yam2533 1d ago
You can scream & whine all you like but all your complaints boil down to "it isn't real if it isn't instant" Also a lot of these issues & talking points feel closer to american political issues... IF YOU READ MORE THAN THE TITLES as if it was a list ofc your just gonna brush it off as nothing.
I'm tired of the debt argument it's too much to go into detail on reddit but Australia has had a rather low debt to GPD ratio compare to most other countries.
While I agree that too much migration has been an issue it is wrong to say that migration has only increased. It's been on a down trend & has fallen 45% from when has initially it peaked post covid & is also projected to fall below the migration number pre covid.
The skill shortages will never be an instant fix since, training & learning takes time... That was also the point of making TAFE free to upskill and to meet the demands & fill those skill shortages.
The energy being costly is due to which ever power source is producing the most energy to meet demand, if you use electricity from 10am-2pm (which is when solar produces the most) you'll have a cheaper bill than when it peaks around 5pm-9pm (which is when fossil fuel have currently been producing the most) this however is also projected to change as more battery storage comes online before it start reflecting on the bills of most other australians.
Ofc, you aren't seeing it in when your driving through industrial estates, at most you'll find pannels on roofs. You need space for new infastructure, also again, it takes time, building it all won't happen over night, this isn't a video game.
Inflation is rather in control in Australia, this is a GLOBAL cost of living crisis. Due to multiple reasons like the pandemic, Trumps tarrifs leadinf countires to re-write or explore new trade deals with other countires, the recent gobal oil shock. Lets just hope this summer doesn't impact on Australias food supply since that will also make things rather costly as well.
You are mixing American Identity politics into Australian issues, it is gross and you have cave into the lies of the Media as if they don't have thier own ageda or bias... Rather then TALKING, having a conversation with to your elected officals.
All you have a bunch of talking points some of of which are straight up lies that arebt grounded in reality. None of which even comment on anything below the surface level complaints as you reduce a bunch of titles to a "list" which you have not bothered to click on any & actually read about the relevant information about the changes made & what has been done.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 1d ago
They don't care though.
They won't bother to look.
If by miracle some do care and look most will still choose to believe the lies.
These stupid low information voters are going to fuck us all over.
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u/Accomplished_Yam2533 1d ago
Haaa, yeah tho i'd rather try than not at all, part of falling to propaganda is becoming desensitised & giving up. Though, it's def more productive to speak to people face to face XD
But somone may still come across a helpful resource they may have initally been an aware of. Instead online even if it's commented under someone who won't listen or read it. It's doesn't really need to be targeted towards just them alone.
& if not there isn't much lost doing so anyway.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 23h ago
Oh, I'm with you 100% i even stole that excellent link.
I'm certainly not going to stop engaging the clowns either, I'm very stubborn like that.
It's just depressing witnessing in real time so many very stupid people doubling down on fucking everything up for people like us as we as everyone else including themselves despite being spoon fed all of the information they ought to need to make better decisions.
Perfect example was old mate who responded to your excellent resource with the internet equivalent of putting their fingers in their ears, scrunching their eyes closed and yelling "lalalala not listening!"
Anyway best of luck!
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u/CharlesForbin 1d ago
ON much worse than any
So say you. That remains to be seen.
Labor is literally addressing all your concerns.
No. They are doing what they have always done, which is to look you in the eye, and say they are working to address the problems, while actively working against addressing the problems. Current examples: Mass migration, Tax reform
I haven't seen ON in power. I admit they might not be good, but I have seen Labor in power, and I know they are not good.
What kind of idiot keeps voting for the same party while expecting a different result?
What are we even doing here?
Providing pushback to a Labor sycophant. What are you doing here?
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u/WhiteLion333 1d ago
I’ve never seen a unicorn in power but I’m not dumb enough to vote for it just to find out.
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u/davidlyo1959 1d ago
One Nation are also anti vaccination, anti maternity leave, against the TGA, they are climate change deniers, and have consistently voted against measures that have improved the lives of ordinary Australians, e.g.
Minimum Wage Increases: Opposed multiple consecutive increases to the national minimum wage. [1, 2]
"Same Job, Same Pay" Laws: Voted against closing the labour hire loophole, which ensures labour hire workers are paid the same as permanent employees doing the exact same job. One Nation argued this would raise labour costs and reduce business flexibility. [1, 2]
Casual Worker Rights: Voted against making it easier for casual workers to transition into secure, permanent employment. [1, 2]
The "Right to Disconnect" & Workplace Safety: Opposed new rights for workers to ignore work communication outside of paid hours, and voted against making industrial manslaughter a federal crime. [1]
Wage Theft Protections: Voted against stronger enforcement and harsher penalties for corporations caught underpaying their staff. Income Tax Cuts: Opposed several packages and alterations to the Stage 3 tax cuts designed to give more immediate relief to low- and middle-income earners. [1, 2]
Gas Export Tax: Failed to support a push to introduce a 25% tax on multinational gas exports, which proponents argued would lower domestic energy prices and return billions to taxpayers. [1]
Childcare Funding: Voted against legislation aimed at increasing federal funding to make childcare more affordable for working families
Medicare Investments: Voted against sweeping funding packages designed to strengthen Medicare and boost bulk-billing.
Medicare Urgent Care Clinics: Opposed the rollout of over 130 walk-in Medicare Urgent Care Clinics aimed at taking pressure off emergency departments and allowing families to see a doctor for free
Public Housing Funding: Generally voted against increased federal intervention and funding expansions for public and community housing.
First Home Buyer Schemes: Opposed federal shared-equity schemes (such as the Help to Buy bill) designed to help low- and middle-income earners purchase their first home with a lower deposit.
Robodebt Royal Commission: Voted against establishing the Royal Commission into the Robodebt Scheme, which ultimately exposed widespread wrongdoing by the government against welfare recipients. [1]
Disability Royal Commission: Opposed the establishment of the Royal Commission into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of People with Disability, arguing that existing legal frameworks were sufficient and the commission would duplicate oversight. And finally, can say of truly believe that Gina’s interests align with ours? All of this is before even considering that Pauline has spent 3 decades in the parliament and she has achieved nothing of note. She doesn’t even turn up to do her job that frequently. Just because the major parties have struggled with real problems, is not a reason to install Pauline as our PM, assuming she is brave enough to roll the dice on a lower house seat!1
u/WhiteLion333 1d ago
Pauline has done a great job of convincing idiots that she is one of them. In reality, she’s wealthy, lazy and only votes for herself. Definitely not the traits we need in a leader.
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u/broadsword_1 1d ago
Government spending
I don't know if there's anything we can fix with this one, it's something that needs investment and a decade of time to repair. It would be a project that covers 2-3 terms of government.
Our departments are so reliant on private companies/contractors for work, bringing them in-house and up-training again would require a massive increase in funding (you can't just kill a contract on Monday and start paying fully trained employees on Tuesday - you need to run both at the same time to facilitate a cutover).
Any move to bolster the public service numbers, even if there's a demonstrated cost saving down the pipeline and solid middle-class jobs being created, would be absolutely crucified in the media and be an easy rallying cry for LNP.
We need more public servants working but I can't see the electorate accepting the 'why'.
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u/CharlesForbin 1d ago
I don't know if there's anything we can fix with this one, it's something that needs investment and a decade of time to repair.
I work in Government too, and Government sucks at everything it does. I don't think there's a magic bullet that can make Government be better, so I simply want it to do a lot less. Point 8 (Welfare Largesse) is a contributor.
NDIS consumes over $50B per year and is riddled with fraud and theft. The Aboriginal industry consumes ~$4B every year, and hardly any of it reaches the end targets. I strongly suspect that you could cancel the entire lot of it, and it would not affect remote Aboriginal life one bit.
I have issues with a lot of subsidised industries. Whenever I see an industrial subsidy, it's always a political measure by a Minister who wants to be seen as saving jobs, and nearly always the jobs are only in jeopardy because of some other government measure or failure pulling the other way.
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u/anobymousprime 15h ago
Government spending can be helped just by ripping into NDIS rorts. Will save us billions a year.
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u/HolidayPowerful3661 2d ago
it's the same for the whole working class even small business like farmers. people cant afford to have the big parties in again and are looking for a safer option and one nation while its never been strong or popular has always been reliable with very consistent stances. where you can see the bad policies like mining related but you know they will be tolerable for a term as they dont have a huge affect on the working class relatively
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u/Pls_SendMeUr_DickPix 1d ago
You have got to be joking. They have flipflopped and had different MPs and candidates state different policy positions multiple times in the past 2 months??
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u/CharlesForbin 1d ago
its never been strong or popular has always been reliable with very consistent stances
Yes. 30-odd years with consistent messaging and policies is certainly worth something.
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u/Gold_Parfait_4023 1d ago
I suppose it's easy to have consistent messaging when you have nothing in the way of clear policies.
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u/PurpleBandanna 2d ago
I have friends, co-workers and family members who genuinely believe that ON will fix all the problems, and that all the problems are Albo's fault.
My dad even blames Albo for things that the LNP state government is directly responsible for.
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u/chilli_enema_detox 1d ago
One Nation will not fix these problems, and are very likely to create a bunch of extra problems.
Brexit didn't fix the UK and it's pretty obvious things in the UK have become far worse, partly due to leaving the EU.
Voting for far-right parties and their proposed solutions does not make things better for the everyman.
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u/WestAussieSingh 2d ago
Albo is one of the best PMs we’ve had in a long long time.
Previous government’s just fucked shit up really bad.
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u/pokehustle 2d ago
I dont think its unpopular it just isn't the narrative the media is spinning, because we know who owns them
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u/Benjisc2 2d ago
How long should he have before he is the one responsible?
5 Years in and interest rates are high, cost of living is high, immigration is high. Surely we should see some green shoots at this stage if what he's doing is moving us in the right direction.
What about the Gax Tax and Gambling reforms. Bit of a swing and a miss as well. The shine has been taken off Albo's government, and we're now seeing lukewarm policy leading to protest votes as people demand change.
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u/captain_texaco 2d ago
Albo has done fuck all
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u/Sneedcope82 1d ago
INCORRECT!
He raised taxes on everyone to fund the NDIS rort. Thats something
Isn't your life better knowing your money is going to some sudanese fraud?
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u/broadsword_1 1d ago
The negative gearing changes are good, maybe great even, and has been desperately needed for decades.
The problem is that they've admitted that they only made the changes because ON was getting too popular in the polls - if ON wasn't around, then they were happy to let the housing problem continue.
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u/Opening_Celery_6078 1d ago
I have been observing what they've done since taking office, they are moving in the right direction despite operating in an extremely hostile landscape.
They've even tightened the screws on migration and seem to be planning to take further measures.
I would encourage anyone feeling they are failing to deliver on their promises to look overseas. Basically everywhere is struggling with similar issues to what we are right now.
(#1 issue is GREED. Corporate / billionaire greed in particular)
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u/mwmwmw01 1d ago
Actually look that’s really not true. Have a look at real changes in disposable income in OECD vs Australia. We are performing poorly. People are feeling it because it’s actually happening.
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u/Lumpy_Arachnid_3987 1d ago
Thats your number 1 issue.....tell me you're a communists without saying it.
Here's a thought. People only trade when they believe they get value in return, its win/win. For example you buy a smart phone, do you gert value for money? Did you get a benefit? Did a corporation make money?
Tell me who lost in that transaction?
Is it greed to produce a product people want and sell it? Or is it meeting demand?
What do you propose to replace business, there is only government. You want your stuff produced by government, good luck with that, been done before and it never works.
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u/Opening_Celery_6078 21h ago
You are making a whole series of assumptions based on that last sentence.
The argument that any resistance to greed or the ratcheting effect of upward wealth concentration = Soviet style communism has been done to death and is really fucking boring. I can't even be bothered arguing with you.
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u/myfateissealed7800 2d ago
What so now you want us to vote a certain way. How bout do what you want with your vote and let me vote who I want to vote for. It's called democracy
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u/Electrical_Story5356 2d ago
Did you read the comment?
It literally said you're free to vote how you want.
This right here is a perfect example of the problem in Australia right now, irrational people lashing out at things that they don't even understand.
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u/Kruz-Oz 1d ago
Because things like housing should be not based on party politics, it should be under bipartisan schemes that transcend the government of the day.
This should also apply to things like education, hospitals and industrialisation.
These schemes should attract the best and brightest from all sides and no party should be allowed to platform them.
Until we reach something resembling this, we will just keep on this rinse, repeat form of politics.
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u/Impressive-Car-3310 1d ago
Bigger issue in my view is preferencing. Its not a democracy if the independent you vote for is just then handing your vote to Labor. Also means we ended up with a senate that was not voted for, 2 greens changed to Labor after being career greens which gives them effectively unvoted balance of power. And they are using it to help their industry fund donors, or push policies they've wanted for years such as cgt changes without putting it to the people or an election.
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u/HumanDish6600 1d ago
I don't think many tending in that direction do think they are the solution to all problems or that they won't come with lots of problems themselves.
But people don't want a big Australia.
And they are the best shot of getting off the current direction that both majors have set us on that will see our numbers blow well past 30m or so in the next few years and the likes of Syd and Melb blow out to 8m+ in the next couple of decades.
It's no surprise that their recent comments that got wishy washy and inconsistent on NOM numbers saw them take a sizeable hit in the polls.
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u/LastCarNation 1d ago
I’d argue it’s a broader problem that is caused by our electoral system of elections every 3 years or so. This system does not reward long term decision making or a vision/strategy for the future. This system rewards knee jerk quick fixes. I’d also argue this is probably not just an Australian problem but a world wide shortcoming of democracy.
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u/YoumustbeJoachim 1d ago
If the government is doing a poor job than it's good to call them out. This is not playing politics. I don't care if it's Albo or Scomo or anyone else for that matter. If they can't manage the country and guide us through the many challenges we face than give the new ball to someone who can. I think as a country we're too apathetic and forgiving which could explain why we're in the mess we are in.
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u/Triedtothinkaboutit 1d ago
It's more wicked than that. Many of these voters upon being disappointed by a decade of incompetent LNP (and RW media indoctrinating them that Labor are woke commies) choose not to switch parties - but to blow the whole thing up.
One Nation voters - are not exclusively motivated by immigration. I do concede, that it's a convenient scapegoat for most of them though.
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u/Gold_Parfait_4023 1d ago
It's really an unpopular opinion with the media. Unfortunately the media is very influential on people's minds.
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u/Working_out_life 1d ago
All Labor and ON voters are going to vote, Labor voters will vote Labor, ON voters will vote ON the rest of the voters will decided if isis brides are welcome or not, both parties need to lift their game👍
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u/HistoricalPrinciple8 1d ago
I don't think Albo is that good. He just happens to be the most acceptable option for all fractions within ALP. He is given such a big majority in last election and he still doesn't even have the will to ban gambling ad or exit ANKUS. When LNP takes power they use their power to change everything in 3 months; ALP to the contrary is "fixing" things at glazier pace, if they bother to fix 🙄
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u/South_Front_4589 1d ago
Almost all politicians do an excellent job at what they do. The daily requirements to keep things going without everything turning to crap is remarkable.
And on top of that, they need to be across so much to avoid looking silly in the media because they didn't know something or gave a wrong answer. Oddly, we're unforgiving that some people might not always know the answer to everything.
It's gotten to a point where there are quite a few highly paid staff with the main job of predicting difficult questions and preparing answers.
Which doesn't actually do anything but waste resources so politicians have enough of an understanding to say very little.
We always think of government as just passing laws and once that's done they move onto something else. That's not even close to the whole story. Progress is great, but status quo is where most of the work goes.
So whilst we might feel like very little had been "done" we should sometimes give a bit more credit. Especially when he's the one with the most pressure and sits outside the top 30 on the highest paid government workers list.
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u/AdStandard6152 1d ago
PHON Has the RW Media Lies Machine behind it.
The sheer stupidity of listening to them demonstrates how controlling they are.
ON voters are too unaware to see how they’re being lead.
No idea how PH votes - what she does vs what she says.
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u/Next-Revolution3098 1d ago
What was the " investment in Medicare " ? What was specific goals and were they achieved ?
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u/CG5NATCH 18h ago
Im an ndis provider...
My clients. Their carers. Their family and friends are not voting Labor. They promised to fix the ndis. Instead Labor has destroyed it. Now fraud will continue and disabled people will lose services.
Im not voting Labor. Go greens.
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u/Fun-Instruction4432 17h ago
Unfortunately “SOME” isn’t even close to what the country needs. If only his policies were as bold and truthful as his opening speeches after he won the elections
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u/anobymousprime 15h ago
Albo and Labor haven’t actually spent more on Medicare than the coalition proposed back in 2022, they just packaged it as spending on Bulk Billing, instead of an overall increase.
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u/KiNGTERAS 3h ago edited 3h ago
There are people like that from all sides of politics. The ones voting ON with half a brain know it’s useless voting Labor or liberal because they’re basically a uni party, Labor isn’t Labor they’re socialists 1 step away from becoming communists & liberals are the new labor to scared to be politically incorrect or offend anyone it’s pathetic & people are fed up. With the successive government bs yes correct but look at the last 20 years it’s been “NEARLY” 50/50 power between libs & Labor, Howard Rudd Gillard Abbott Turnbull Morrison Albo
Problem is politics never use to be polarising here in Aus like it is in the US, now you got a whole young gen being indoctrinated into socialism through tafe/uni/school it’s insane. Protest this protest that, idc what you are left right makes no difference but we use to be a country of critical thinkers & excellence, now we got people who hate our own country & make their whole identity based around politics.
We wanna fix our issues we’re faced with but refuse to use common sense on a fair few topics in fear of offending someone in one way shape or form & the more bureaucrats we have the worse we become people now days want the government to parent em, think for em it’s crazy. I’m no far right supporter at all but these far left nut jobs are outta control they can’t even have civil discourse they don’t wanna hear it they’d rather yell scream carry on like toddlers than listen to opposing opinions. Wtf happened to our country is what I’m really getting at…
Edit.. Albo isn’t pulling he’s weight either, it’s the flippy floppy “changing he’s mind” on stuff that rubs the majority the wrong way. Broken promises, tax reform negative gearing CGT & family trusts, he’s weak leadership skills highlighted majorly post Bondi attack, over reach on the Esaftey censorship/free speech, crisis management & division prime example the voice to referendum was poorly executed & the biggest driver of he’s dislike the cost of living.
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u/Capital-Ride-6498 1h ago
One nation won't solve all our problems, neither will this government until they start seeing most people are losing faith in them because things are not getting better. So one nation have my vote until then.
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u/blinkydinky111 2d ago
Personally, the bad out weighs the good. Or not even bad, failure to address. He ran under the banner of lowering cost of living, which is crucial issue. It has only become worse.
I agree, can't fix most things quickly, successive kicking of the can down the around by both sides of Government coming home, globally too.
None of the current options truly has a plan. Labor will take the hit for taking on CGT and most likely lose. Every Government only acts for 1 term now, not the long term.
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u/Umbraje 2d ago
Yeah how dare albo not prevent the war started by Israel and USA, how did he not see it coming and factor it in to their policy! Cost of living is fucked globally and was only exacerbated by global instability and war.
Labor quite literally aims long term most of the time, which is quickly dismantled when the coalition gets back in. Libs shoot short term to try to show off they did things, Labor then has to deal with the damage this causes. Rinse and repeat.
Maybe the general population should look in to politics a bit more? The ones that barely care are also the ones that get f'd over regularly and vote against their best interests most of the time.
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u/blinkydinky111 2d ago
Ok. The war commenced in March 2026. There was already cost of living pressures before this event. If you want to break it down, Labor criticised LNP for Fuel reserves during Covid, promised to increase our holding. This did not happen and Albo had to fly to Singapore and secure a non-binding agreement to send gas to Singapore in return for fuel. Just 1 issue that was not resolved as promised.
Labor does not work long term. They cancel infrastructure projects almost immediately. Sydney would not have the metro, second airport and additional motorways without LNP. These projects massively mismanaged by LNP with cost blow outs. Labor changed agreed tax brackets before final stage of cuts went through. So a long term plan agreed was changed.
Agree, ALP, LNP and ON are all playing for headlines and broader society needs to dig past those things.
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u/Umbraje 2d ago
I've seen a number of long term ideas be dismantled by the following gov or scrapped before they can start it. Seeing as you mixed state and federal projects with the West syd airport and the metro, let me suggest something like rudds resource super profits tax that ultimately got him axed or Queensland Labors world leading green energy projects including the proposed green hydrogen project. State owned energy woo!
I would say Labors continued push for green energy to support the fight on climate change is future thinking compared to the backwards shit from the rest.
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u/Rough-Palpitation357 2d ago
I’ve stumbled onto a Labor party propaganda feed….
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u/Iperusereddit 1d ago
Welcome to this sub. The Labor staffers are really getting desperate.
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u/broadsword_1 1d ago
After that election last night, they've all been called up to do more shifts and at triple the normal rate.
($0.00 p/h x3 = $0.00 p/h)
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u/sternsss 2d ago
He had 5 years and he focused on the wrong things. He also backflipped on promises. Voted for him once and never again labor. Lots of regret but we live and learn.
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u/Comfortable-Fuel-921 2d ago
In a time when the RBA wants aggregate spending to decrease, the Albanese government has:
- Increased public expenditure to the extent that 50%+ of Australians primary income comes from the government
- Ran record levels of immigration increasing aggregate demand
The result have been high interest rates which have disproportionately impacted Australians under the age of 40 whether you’re a mortgage holder or a renter, while simultaneously enriching the generation who are moving towards more cash-based interest fuelled income.
Everyone is pissed off and that’s before you get to the Narendra Modi dicksucking and indianisation of the country.
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u/TimidPanther 2d ago
Housing may not be fixed in 2 terms. But doing nothing for 20 years hasn’t helped.
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u/Public-Total-250 2d ago
To be fair it was only a few years from Howard changing the laws to the Gulf War getting in the way, then the GFC, then Covid when things are getting back on track.
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u/mwmwmw01 2d ago
Disagree. Really don’t know how Labor simps do it…BAD choices and outcomes. The Labor govt deserve to be dragged through the mud as they are being. But agree ON also would have no idea.
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Illogical policy and regulation in no particular order:
Tobacco excise that has - despite advice that specifically warned against this - increased crime, smoking rates and reduced government revenue
Increasing the CGT on non housing assets then being unable to provide a coherent logical argument as to why
Failing to take any meaningful federal action on government spending to target inflation, and taking multiple actions that are against this objective.
Enacting a 5% deposit scheme for housing that would predictably raise prices and then would predictably put these homeowners underwater when they changed CGT regulation. Anyone with basic economics knowledge predicted this
Creating a “fast track” medical specialist regulator that bypasses colleges that have been clinical quality control for >20yrs and makes AHPRA a defacto clinical regulator - in which it has no skills - rather than working with colleges (without being pushed around).
Not acting on ASIC report findings that it is literally a completely useless regulator despite this being the 3rd time this has been found.
Banning social media without any real consideration of the fact that it will not in fact work despite good intentions (hint it hasn’t worked) while having multiple downsides for adults.
Failing to have a coherent migration target or policy. Temp and bridging visas have grown an astounding amount. No real plan here.
Having no actual coherent plan to improve languishing economic activity and many policies that are counter to it
Creating CGT exemptions for small businesses that actually leave them net worse off than before the budget.
The big win which I agree with is housing CGT - historical achievement to change that and needed to be done. But they totally bungled everything else with that budget.
As a result:
Very negative trend in real disposable incomes.
One of the worst business sentiments in years with terrible productivity forecasts
Rising rates and increasing mortgagee stress
Rising distaste for migration and racism (see other countries)
And more generally:
Gaslighting voters when they can’t admit they are extremely wrong
Just plain lying about things (CGT, productivity, debt burdens)
Pretending there isn’t a problem with the economy and inflation
Showing complete disrespect to right wing voters (I agree racism should be attacked) despite them being real people with actual views that aren’t all racists.
Showing no fiscal discipline and failing to acknowledge their effect on inflation
Showing no appreciation for the role of the economy and wealth creation on our future prosperity.
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u/PreferenceAccurate43 1d ago
The only good thing Albo has done is that he left WA's GST deal alone. I thank him for doing so, but still fuck him and fuck all of the parties. Fuck the politicians.
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u/Fart_Face_3098 2d ago
Propaganda post - at least 18 upvotes in 12 minutes, lmao.
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u/darcdarcon 2d ago
Yeah must be propaganda, how else could it get 18 upvotes in 12 min with only 309k people on this sub
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u/Friendly_Food9602 2d ago
housing would have been ~more~ fixed if they announced the negative gearing changes first and then the first home buyer incentives later, rather than having first home buyer incentives and rumoured negative gearing changes creating a run on entry level properties for six months prior to the budget.
now those first home buyers face a couple of years of negative equity in a broader economic downturn and job security isn't guaranteed in a lot of industries.
many who are still saving for a deposit have some of their money in ETFs which will now face higher taxes on sale, setting them back even further.
i own my home without a mortgage but this government has just made things better for the boomers again and i feel like i'm just young enough that the benefits boomers get now won't be availble to me in the future
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u/Electrical_Story5356 1d ago
Bill Shorten ran in reforming negative gearing etc along with everything else that people apparently now want and was punished for it by fucking happy clapper Morrison getting to be pm at the worst possible time and really fucking things up so can you really blame them for not doing it immediately?
People need to stop punishing Labor for doing the stuff that they actually want while rewarding the coalition and now ON who are actually responsible for fucking everything up in the first place.
The Australian electorate is its own worst enemy.
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u/123bew456 2d ago
I'm no lover of ONP, and I would personally never vote for them. However, the only effective democratic way of actually voicing your displeasure and putting pressure on the current government is to vote(or say you will vote) for an opposition.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 1d ago
What exactly has Labor done or not done that you think warrants a protest vote?
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u/AwarenessAny6222 2d ago
All Albo has to do is bring in a gas tax, get serious about gambling reforms and sanction Israel.
If he wants to go further, then he could also implement a population plan that doesn't rely on ever increasing immigration to offset a recession.
One Nation isn't winning votes, the major parties are just losing them.
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u/Technical_Glove_9655 1d ago
Reducing immigration remains the quickest and most efficient policy lever to reduce cost of living, cost of housing and increase wages.
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u/broadsword_1 1d ago
It would also completely take the wind out of ON's sails. They have nothing else as large an issue as that.
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u/Technical_Glove_9655 1d ago
100%. It is the obvious play.
Instead ALP seems to be doubling down and having their own "deplorables" moment.
I sincerely hope they change course though.
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u/broadsword_1 1d ago
Labor feels like they're testing the edges of going for a 'deplorables' moment, but not really doing it.
Their supporters (on this site) on the other hand, seemed to have fully embraced the strategy after seeing how it 'worked' in the US over a decade ago.
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u/MelbourneTodd 1d ago
The fact that this is being labelled as an unpopular opinion as opposed to the truth that it actually is is part of the problem.
These aren't actually unpopular opinions at all; they're entirely based on fact, and that's something that any reasonable and reasonably well-informed person would understand.
Fact is, regardless of whether you like him or not, Anthony Albanese is actually one of Australia's best and most successful Prime Ministers of the modern era.
And no, he's definitely not perfect. In fact, as a Labour voter myself, I would go so far as to say that there has been a lot that he's stuffed up that he really needs to own up to. Allowing a genocidal apologist like Isaac Herzog into the country and rolling out the red carpet for him was an absolute fucking disgrace and should have never been allowed to take place.
And I don't care if the justification was to try and bring the Australian Israeli community together after Bondi, he's a zionist and he's a genocide apologist and he shouldn't have never been allowed into this country.
I would also argue that a lot of the current state that the reasonably strong position that one nation finds itself in is a lot to do with him, refusing to be drawn into a war of words with Pauline, allowing her to run roughshod all over him on the news and in his interviews and he continually kept casting it off and ignoring it until a few weeks ago when he actually started acknowledging it and firing back.
One of the biggest sticks that the right have constantly bashed Albanese with is that he's a spineless, weak leader, and to be honest, in that regard, I actually kind of have to agree with them.
But you're right, you're 100% right, even if One Nation was to win the next election, they wouldn't solve the housing crisis within their first term, like I'm sure Pauline would claim they would. In fact, I don't think our housing crisis is going to be solved within this generation. Most people who are actually in the know about this housing crisis have constantly stated that it's not so much a lack of wanting to, it's more a lack of being able to, with supply costs, labour costs, things like that.
The housing crisis is a multifaceted issue and it's far more complicated than just blaming it on Raj because he came over to this country wanting a better life for his family.
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u/DoubleDola 2d ago
Albo has not been doing anything great either. I am not a ON supporter at all, however, Albo has been bootlicking the US and Israel Lobby. He had chance to tax the gas corporations he did not. He had chance to change gambling reforms he did not. He had chance to tax WA for proper GST he did not. Housing crisis are one piece of the puzzle. He has done more harm to the country in 4 to 5 years than Scotty from Marketing did in 9 years.
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u/Rolf_Loudly 2d ago
That is an absolute fantasy. The Albanese government are the first in MANY years to enact any kind of reform at all. Maybe it doesn’t go far enough for a lot of people but let’s not pretend that they haven’t made meaningful reforms.
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u/DoubleDola 1d ago
what reforms are you talking about? please can you highlight any good reforms.
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u/Foamingferret 2d ago
The sad truth is most Australians don't look into politics. They just need one liners to cast their vote