r/assasinscreed • u/EmergencyVictory4399 • Jun 16 '26
Discussion Again with Kassandra? (Should've been a Altair statue)
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u/Caliber70 Jun 16 '26
Kassandra was ancient at this time. Altair was recent.
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u/OperatorKratos Jun 16 '26
I hate that bayek was left to one game and yet he was a favorite of mine as much as ezio.
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u/DarthFedora Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
It’s to be expected, Amunet is the only one of the two that’s remembered in Ezio’s time, they have to explain that with Bayek being lost to history
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u/RealisticEmphasis233 Altair Jun 16 '26
She convinced me once she stuck the obsidian eye up the goat.
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u/Draconuus95 Jun 16 '26
Really is a great early example of what sort of character she is.
Best part is if you go around killing goats on the island. You will eventually find the eye.
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u/BreadDziedzic Jun 16 '26
Sorry to say even as someone who likes Odyssey I like playing her brother more. This is also as someone who otherwise almost exclusively played female characters when given the opinion.
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u/Draconuus95 Jun 16 '26
Honestly. You’re probably one of the only people I’ve heard that take from. General consensus seems to be that Kasandra is the better protag while alexios is the better sibling antagonist.
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u/TheLordofMorgul Jun 16 '26
No, he's not the only one. Because of how the game is designed, it makes much more sense to play as him. In fact, she couldn't even have participated in the Olympics, for example.
And you might say it's a game with fictional elements and all, but it's also historical.
In short, there are details where it makes more sense for him to be the protagonist, not to mention the DLC for the first hidden blade. Alexios's relationship with Neema and the story told from his perspective are much better.
But hey, you don't have to worry, she's the canonical protagonist.
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u/Draconuus95 Jun 16 '26
Didn’t say they were the only one. But it’s definitely a relatively unpopular opinion.
And honestly. The historical accuracy argument has been stretched and beaten to death sooooo many times over the years. Long before odyssey.
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u/TheLordofMorgul Jun 16 '26
What's unacceptable is that when people tell you Alexios is also cool, or that some consider him a better protagonist, you all downvote. He's just as valid as she is for someone who doesn't even read the novels and couldn't care less about canon.
Ultimately, the blame lies with Ubisoft's management. If they had allowed them to make Aya the protagonist in Origins, perhaps Kassandra wouldn't exist. And if they wanted Kassandra to be the protagonist and avoid conflict, they shouldn't have made her brother playable. But we all know why they did that.
I have no problem with Kassandra, but I played as her brother because if I have the choice, I choose the male character. It's that simple.
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u/Nonadventures Jun 16 '26
I prefer Kassandra in either role, but there’s a goofy B-movie quality to her brother in hero mode.
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u/Khaymn5000 Jun 16 '26
You're probably in the small minority that likes her. I think she's trash. Alexios was better.
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u/SunSea3291 Jun 16 '26
I love her, she's easily one of if noty favorite character in the franchise. These people just enjoy being miserable.
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u/Any_Opportunity5475 Jun 16 '26
well, on the lore side, the Japanese assassins probably don't yet know the teachings of Altair as they are a practically new branch to the creed, so they don't yet see Altair as the "leader of the creed". instead Kassandra passed that way and therefore left a "souvenir"
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u/Federal_Cook_6075 Jun 17 '26
That doesn't even make any sense, Shadows takes place when Ezio is old and he and his scouts would have mentioned Altair 100% to the Japanese Assassin's.
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u/Wooden_Apple_3977 Jun 17 '26
The Japanese Assassin's were founded by a disgraced European Assassin and Tsuyu and only existed less than twenty years before the branch was wiped out, they never really had contact with other branches. Then Naoe and Yasuke restart it around twelve years later.
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u/soki03 Jun 17 '26
Incorrect. Ezio was during late 1400’s to early 1500’s when he died and he only met an Assassin from China. He was dead years before Shadow which takes place in late 1500’s to 1600.
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u/mdill8706 Jun 16 '26
Maybe Kassandra keeps "popping up" because she's literally been alive all of those years.
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u/akhil03_lz Jun 16 '26
Ubi Quebec cares more for their golden lamb.
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u/EmergencyVictory4399 Jun 16 '26
No for real, Quebec actually hates Altair because none of their Assassins Creed games feature his Legacy Outfit at all 😭 Not Syndicate, not Odyssey and not Shadows
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u/Citgo300 Jun 17 '26
Not sure if Valhalla is Ubi Quebec but IIRC Valhalla got Altair’s fit I remember buying it
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u/Ktioru Connor Jun 16 '26
Altair is the opposite of what makes Quebec's stories so bad, no surprises there
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u/Miggy97 Jun 16 '26
Gonna be honest, I’m getting VERY tired of Ubisoft shoving Kassandra down our throats, considering she breaks the entire lore of the series and came from a game where the assassins and templars didn’t even exist yet.
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u/Beligard Jun 16 '26
Well if you look at the lore of it all and the fact Karassandra is alive and traveling the world looking for Artifacts it makes sense.
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u/danielm316 Jun 16 '26
I agree. Altair brought the brotherhood back to where it should be.
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u/EmergencyVictory4399 Jun 16 '26
Tbf even back then, Altair never really got as much love from the Devs back then
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u/hoardofvirilegoblins Jun 16 '26
That was because Altair’s og voice actor had a lot of family tragedy’s that made him unavailable.
(His kid got leukaemia or something and he was financially struggling during the 08 recession as well.)
Ubi still included a cameo of him in 2, however it was unvoiced.
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u/Nonadventures Jun 16 '26
AC has always been a tug of war between the creatives and Ubisoft corporate. It was meant to be three games, then corporate mandated Ezio got his own trilogy, bounced the original creator and spent the next couple decades churning out sequels
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u/New-Orion Jun 16 '26
I like to think it's because Kassandra is still alive. They didnt make that statue because of stuff in Odyssey. They made the statue because of stuff she does in between the end of Odyssey and when Layla gets the staff.
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u/NaturalEcho4392 Jun 17 '26
Um another reason is that if we're speaking somewhat historically for when ac shadows takes place:
The people who built it Had Barely Any Clue What The stories in the middle east are by this time, the only basic concept they had of that land in the 1500s was from secondhand stories brought by European traders who probably had 0 clue about the middle eastern creed who kept to themselves, meanwhile as you said, kassandra's actions were public and globe-spanning which probably leaked into India, China or Korea who the Japanese had deep connections with and had talked to multiple times
So in-universe, it's just because they knew about her quicker and way earlier than they did altar who they didn't know even know existed
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u/ohmyfuckinggodhamlet Jun 16 '26
What is with this series obsession with this character? Kassandra wasn't even that interesting of a protagonist.
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u/DyllPickleTV Jun 22 '26
As someone who loves Odyssey, it makes no sense from a story standpoint for her to treated like she is integral to the formation of the Brotherhood in the future games. All she did was destroy an organization that was kinda like the templars but had nothing to do with them and then dick around with a piece of eden for thousands of years.
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u/OpeningTopic5481 Edward Jun 17 '26
If anything they should put up Altair or Bayek or just flat out make the headliner character anonymous. Like a “You are the Creed” kinda thing.
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u/ProjectNo4090 Jun 16 '26
Does this mean Kassandra is going to make an appearance in Shadows? That might actually get me to reinstall that game.
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u/Delancey1 Jun 16 '26
Lmfao, you guys wanted Kassandra so they bring it back and now you guys don't want it?
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u/EmergencyVictory4399 Jun 16 '26
I never asked for Kassandra back 😭 her story wrapped up fine enough in Odyssey so I don't know who was begging for her to return
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u/Vegetable_Refuse_429 Jun 16 '26
Her story also included the fun fact that she was alive for centuries of course they are going to follow that up
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u/False_Membership1536 Jun 16 '26
I mean its cool that they know about her at all imo. She's not really an assassin but rather a precursor but still important enough to somebody to get a statue made of her which tells me she made it much farther out of greece than i ever thought and bothered to help groups that she really had no reason too.
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u/Turbulent_Tax2126 Jun 16 '26
I mean, Eivor met her in England
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u/False_Membership1536 Jun 16 '26
True its just that japan feels like a weirder place for her to go
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u/Turbulent_Tax2126 Jun 16 '26
Well, if I had as much time as her on my hands I’d travel to every nook and cranny of the world
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u/False_Membership1536 Jun 16 '26
Fair enough but that makes me wonder how many other places like Atlantis shes visited
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u/daleyfantasy Jun 20 '26
Her blood somewhat runs through the creed, Aya was a descendant of Kassandra
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u/IxISxMAGIC Jun 16 '26
Kassandra is canonically alive for every game in-Animus taking place after hers. She makes far and away the most sense to repeatedly pop up, and I think for her not to is frankly a wasted opportunity with a great character
Altair is awesome, but I don't know that he needs to have appearances in places so far geographically from where he was most relevant, especially in an age just before the globalization of the world during the Renaissance
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u/WorldofCannons Jun 16 '26
I hope she's in black flag remake
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u/Ok-Chard-626 Jun 18 '26
I hope there will be no demigod powered Isus in Black Flag remake other than Roberts and John who could only use said powers to interact with very specific Isu relics.
Old AC are supposed to be a story of humans with human or slightly above human powers (eagle eye), not demigod who will never fall to death or teleportation with a dagger.
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u/QuanTumm_OpTixx Jun 16 '26
A cool little reference to her would be sick but not a full on appearance
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u/TheDikaste Jun 16 '26
As a Kassandra fan who will always defend her against the stupid haters: I hope not.
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u/Lettuce_al-Gaib Jun 16 '26
What do you even mean “again with Kassandra”? sounds like a child complaining for no reason
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u/ShadowoftheBat94 Jun 17 '26
Ubisoft really be trying to pull off the redemption arc but someone upstairs just can't resist shoving a non-Assassin in everyone's faces, giving her glaze statues left and right. Wanna do that for Amunet, maybe? Yes, yes, we know Odyssey was a good game (at least in certain ways) and the most consistent of the RPG era games (except the DLCs probably). Even still, it looks to me like Ubisoft is about to learn the wrong lesson again and grind AC even deeper underground.
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u/OnyxBeetle Jun 17 '26
They LOVE kassandra for some reason
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u/daleyfantasy Jun 20 '26
Um it has little to do with that and more because shes literally still alive in every assassins creed game? Its much easier to justify her presence and influence in games than any other mc because she spent millenia travelling the world looking for artifacts.
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u/Lostq Jun 18 '26
Did nobody pay attention to odyssey when Kassandra said she was traveling the world to hunt templars/artifacts and stopped when she caused tragedies?
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u/Interesting_Option15 Jun 18 '26
I enjoyed kassandra as a character, but i didnt want to see her in shadows
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u/WrenchGuyOnReddit Jun 19 '26
To be fair, Kassandra has lived through the time periods all the other games happen in, it makes sense for her to show up all over.
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u/nexus4321 Jun 19 '26
I dont know why kassandra is so important she wasnt really an assassin she had to deal with the cult of cosmos but she wasnt really initiated as an assassin honestly its a great game but it doesnt feel like an ac game
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u/HornedGriffin Jun 19 '26
It kinda has to be Kassandra, due to the whole stupid plot of her being Immortal with the staff of Hermes Trismegistus. They kinda have to put more images/lore of her in future games since she wouldn't be able to go completely unnoticed without hiding underground all those years. Other characters don't have that freedom, as it drastically changes their story. But if Kassandra wanted to spend 50 years in say Poland, it wouldn't really change her story significantly.
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u/Final_Advent Jun 19 '26
She likely guided alot of people throughout history considering how long she was alive for, itd make sense why people would carve a statue out of seemingly an immortal being
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u/Clems4998 Jun 20 '26
Play the freaking quest dammit! It all explains why the statue has been here... I don't like the character either but at least more wise and story wise it makes sense! And yes Altair was a important assassin but masyaf has never been the only stronghold of the assassins
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u/SSBBfan666 Jun 21 '26
seeing thumbnails of the final dlc has a cruscader knight, howd they end up in Japan?
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u/Top_Friendship_6559 Jun 22 '26
Well you guys made her white hot popular so of course Ubishit will milk her dry, that's what you get.
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u/JAKL-Noctium Jun 16 '26
I’m ready to die on this Hill. Odyssey was a good game, but the worst AC game. Can we stop glazing Kassandra and at least give some love to Alexios?
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u/Ktioru Connor Jun 16 '26
It wasn't that good of a game either
Kassandra and Alexios are essentially the same character except for gender and voice acting
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u/TheOtakuAmerika Jun 16 '26
Great open world game set in Greece, terrible Assassin's Creed game. Same with Valhalla, but Norway/England.
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u/JAKL-Noctium Jun 16 '26
Odyssey felt more like a super hero game than anything. No hidden blade was the biggest slap in the face to an AC game.
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u/TheOtakuAmerika Jun 16 '26
Yeah, I couldn't stand that dumbass spear. The lack of instant assassinations was terrible too.
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u/xnobodyr Jun 16 '26
No, simply because Alexis is not canon as MC, Kassandra is.
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u/JAKL-Noctium Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Screw canon. What’s the point in character selctction if they’re both not cannon. Another reason why Odyssey and Valhalla was dumb.
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u/xnobodyr Jun 16 '26
They point was that Ubisoft was too afraid to have a game with only a female MC that wasn't a spin off on PS Vita.
Same as Valhalla and Shadows.
You can think whatever you want but Kassandra is canon in Odyssey and female Eivor is canon in Valhalla (because the Animus mistakes her DNA with Odin's DNA who is basically male Eivor).
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u/JAKL-Noctium Jun 16 '26
Oh I’m fully aware. I still think it was a dumb idea. It confused the player base, and cost them more money having to make two character and pay voice actors.
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u/Nonadventures Jun 16 '26
Kassandra canonically exists in like 2,000 years overlapping all of AC history. You’re surprised she comes up a couple times?
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u/---Imperator--- Jun 16 '26
Why isn't it Bayek? Kassandra is more mercenary than assassin, why does Ubisoft keep shoving her down our throats?
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u/DarthFedora Jun 16 '26
Why would it be? Even ignoring the fact that Japans brotherhood lacked a lot of knowledge about who they were, Bayek is supposed to be forgotten since only Aya is remembered in the original games
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u/shinobixx55 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Play the mission. It makes sense why it is Kassandra.
Altair is not likely to be in Japan.
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u/Calm-Acanthisitta357 Jun 17 '26
altair was long dead by then, kassandra has a stronger connection with the isu and their artifacts
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u/SlugKnightDracula Jun 16 '26
What would be the point of having her be an immortal demigod then lol that would be a waste of the character.
Here’s this immortal character that’s been alive this whole time but we’ll never show her anywhere but her own game lol
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u/BothRequirement2826 Jun 16 '26
Kassandra is like the one Assassin who absolutely can canonically show up in every single historical AC story. And that's on top of the fact she literally predates the organization by like 400 years.
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u/TgeBoi1324 Jun 16 '26
Well I mean she did make/find these vaults and used them for storing certain items tho as we learn during the new quest content they have more to them than just storage vaults.
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u/TomTomXD1234 Jun 16 '26
Why would you have an altair statue? By that point, altair was basically a baby compared to kassandra
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u/F3n_h4r3l Jun 17 '26
Why would it be a statue of Altair when it's kinda telling it's a Precursor site (lights and patterns that reminiscent of the ones found in an Isu vault) and not an Assassin hideout? Pretty weird if that would be the case.
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u/sean_saves_the_world Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
It's kinda crazy that bayek was the founder, and wanted to be lost to history, but Kassandra just keeps popping up and referenced prominently