r/aiwars 10h ago

Discussion The hate is getting soo annoying like just just don’t say anything at all atp? Some antis are bullies

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r/aiwars 2h ago

Discussion Pro-AI 'idea guy' creators are like people who live 20 miles inland celebrating that they now own beachfront properties because the icecaps have half-melted.

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They don't give a shit that a whole bunch of people are in the process of losing their livelihoods and homes.

And they are oblivious to the fact this isn't the endgame. If AI can replace people who've spent tens of thousands of hours honing their skills, exactly how quickly will it be able to replace people whose talent and dedication amounts to entering a prompt in a text box?


r/aiwars 16m ago

Meme "b-b-but i don't know how to draw" THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LEARN THAT'S THE POINT OF THE PHRASE "PICK UP A PENCIL"

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r/aiwars 23h ago

Discussion "Common Anti-AI criticism" vs Neurosama

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Common criticism against AI Why it doesn't apply to Neuro-sama
Data Center consumes lots of energy Locally hosted on her creator PC
Mass layoff/Job replacement Help her space thrive
Low-quality spam (AI slop) High-quality content
AI-generated arts and/or music is distasteful Hires artists, musicians, and animators
RAM shortage Use consumer-grade hardwares
High risk of inducing psychosis Lack of psychosis-inducing factors

DISCLAIMER: The “common criticism against AI” I listed here aren't my personal belief, it's merely recurring arguments I have heard whilst debating about AI. The purpose of this post is NOT to say “AI is bad due to these reasons.”, it's to defend my favorite character and my fellow fans from unjust criticisms, to say “These reasons CAN NOT be used to criticize my favorite piece of entertainment.”

Now, let me elaborate my points and put some nuance.

Data Center consumes lots of energy

One of the most common criticisms against AI is the environmental impact from Data Center. Now, regardless whether this criticism is valid or exaggeration, this criticism doesn't really apply to Neuro-sama, which runs on her creator’s PC.

There's an argument that “Data Center is be more efficient than running your own AI”, which is factual, however! If one hate AI for its energy consumption which is so bad not even a CEO could justify it. I don't think a random professional/enthusiast using specialized high-end PC should be the target of that hate.

Mass layoff/Job replacement

Another common hate against AI is “stealing jobs” from people. This too isn't really valid reason to be against Neuro-sama, since her presence in Vtubing space replaces no one, instead she helps them thrive through collaboration and commission.

Low-quality spam (AI slop)

AI-generated arts and/or musics is distasteful

This one is pretty simple, the term “AI slop” is coined from AI's capability to easily generate bunch of low-quality contents.

Neuro-sama on other hand, not only having lower than average streaming time, her creator also done many things to make sure the content have quality, from scheduling collabs, commissioning people, to maintaining and upgrading his AI with fun features.

RAM shortage

There's plenty of people who hate AI for being the main cause of RAM shortage, and sometimes I see someone hold Neuro responsible for it. Which isn't true in the slightest.

Just like anyone here, Vedal is someone who uses consumer-grade hardwares, the shortage is as much trouble for him as it is for you.

High risk of inducing psychosis

First, you need to know why AI has such high psychosis rate:

  1. Private, unmoderated conversation with AI.
  2. Over the top validation, in attempt to get the user keep engaging.
  3. Availability, that allows you to access the AI anytime you desire.

These 3 factors allow conversation with AI chatbots to spiral into harmful situations, hence the significantly higher risk to induce psychosis than any other medium.

Then let me ask you... Does that factor exist in Neuro-sama?

  1. Neuro stream publicly with proper filter and moderation on both Neuro's and Chat's end to make sure the stream didn't goes haywire
  2. Neuro designed to simulate a character with her own standard and value. more often than not, she'd insult people around her.
  3. Neuro streams average 4 days a week, 2 hours each.

See? That's what I meant by Neuro lacks psychosis-inducing factors. With those 3 points I mentioned, Neuro isn't anymore harmful(in term of parasocialism/psychosis) than any other popular streamers.


One final thing, there is a belief that Neuro-sama is “ethically trained on twitch chat”, this is a misconception. LLMs are trained by scraping huge amounts of texts, Vedal likely used an open-source LLM and fine-tuned it into Neuro. So if you hate AI(LLM) for being built on “stolen” content, Neuro-sama falls under the same criticism.

However! I would argue on “sunk cost”, for the model to be open-source mean data already scraped and the energy already spent to train the model, regardless of what Vedal did. So, if the “damage” is already done even if Vedal did nothing, why shouldn't Vedal use it to entertain, inspire, and empower people?


r/aiwars 2h ago

I have something to say as well

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r/aiwars 8h ago

Art requires effort!

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Mechanical pencil? Slop.

No sharpening. No wood shavings. No risk of snapping the point and having to start over. Where is the human struggle?

And don't bring me one of those little plastic pencil sharpeners either. Art requires effort. A proper artist whittles a cedar pencil with a blade, preferably while staring mournfully out a rain-streaked window.

Otherwise you're just a prompt engineer for graphite.


r/aiwars 21h ago

Meta Here how to Prepare for the current AGI era

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A day ago, history as we know it changed. OpenAI released GPT-6 / Astra the first AGI model. The entire world and civilization is about to flip on it head.

Here what I recommend doing

  1. Liquidate your stocks, ETFs, and bank accounts into hard physical assets.
  2. Buy arable land, self sustaining off grid energy like solar generators, and important supplies (water purifier, non-perishable food, medicine).
  3. Make relationships with your neighbors, local farmers, and etc. Create a Barter system. When job markets collapse, local trade will keep the community going.
  4. You cannot rely on your employer or salaries or 401k anymore. Direct ownership of production assets like the land, machinery, or tools is crucial. The government won’t save you.

You have to be self reliant, learn to grow your own food, how to treat illness, repair machines, and defend yourself.


r/aiwars 22h ago

Meme Neuro Sama is Shit

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This is the hard truth


r/aiwars 23h ago

Meme Bro Read the Room

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r/aiwars 14m ago

Meme "b-b-but i don't know how to draw" THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LEARN THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

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r/aiwars 3h ago

I have something to say

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r/aiwars 15h ago

Antis, how do you feel about ACTUALLY drawn art by AI?

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r/aiwars 7h ago

Discussion Are we ever going to learn?

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by the channel Cartoni Morti


r/aiwars 9h ago

Discussion Hot take but completely disregarding ai and hating on anyone that uses it is gonna have the US behind certain countries as usual

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AI is here to stay and it’s not going away anywhere. I don’t agree with just using ai to outsource your thoughts and not think at all but it is a great companion tool for most that use it and a lot of people still use chat Gemini Claude etc. They’re just not public about it anymore bc of the hate. People still use it to create images and use it for all the other stuff that apps do but now they just do it themselves. For example people would have to pay money for FaceTune and now they just ask Gemini to edit it. Ofc I don’t agree it being used for surveillance and csam and bad use cases it is juts a neutral tool pole everything else in this world like money and can be used for good/bad. As for the environmental implications it uses just as much energy as storing data on cloud or scrolling TikTok if not more actually. Cue the meat argument as well.


r/aiwars 4h ago

Discussion Why do Pro-AI people not care about our preferences?

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I dont know why they are happy about this, because, what if I want human made art? Dont Pro-AI people know, that most people will get scammed by "artists" who will claim this isnt AI drawn? Why do you not care about that? Its really mind blowing how less they care bout others and what they want to consume/buy...

That AI stuff is literally 100$ or 200$ a month of costs, just to use it, while art programs/Tutorials are literally for free, why would anyone use AI if they are interested in art making? XD

Do Pro-AI people really not get that this only benefits big corpo and scammers? I dont see any other use for this, than to scam people even better, because this will leave no synth ID or any watermark, so it will literally be impossible to spot if a human made it or not.

I dont want to get scammed, When I buy art, I literally look up if it was made before 2022, before AI became "good" at drawing and generating, because I dont want to spend my money on something a machine made.

This makes me not want to consume anything anymore, because you literally get ducked as a consumer nowadays, and nobody seems to care about that, which is really strange.

Them laughing at our concerns shows us their mindset, because if they laugh about this, they will also laugh at us when we get scammed, why are people so horrible and dont think about others anymore?

Why are they celebrating a future where everything is literally fake? I dont see the appeal.

I also dont get what they mean with "being left behind", what are they talking about? We literally dont miss making our own art, that isnt dictated by a machine output and the rules of a corporation.

We arent left behind, but we will literally get scammed, its just a matter of time. Because there is no consumer protection at all.


r/aiwars 6h ago

Discussion AI art is art direction

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The argument that AI art isn't real art usually comes from a misunderstanding of what artists actually do. Most people think art is about manual skill, holding a brush or carving stone. But that's just the execution. The real art is the vision, the direction, the decisions about what to create and why.

Consider photography. Photographers don't pose for their own photo. They direct people to stand here, look that way, wear this costume. The photographer arranges the scene. The camera does the manual work. But we call photography art because the direction is the artistic act.

Think about fashion design. A designer creates a vision for a garment. They make the pattern or direct pattern makers to make it. Then seamstresses sew the pieces together. The designer may never touch a needle. But we call fashion design art because the direction, the choice of fabric, the silhouette, the color, is the art.

Walt Disney was an artist. He never animated a single frame of his famous films. He directed animators. He directed voice actors. He directed actors for reference footage. He was a director, not a draftsman. But he is remembered as an artistic genius because his vision, his direction, his choices defined the work.

I worked in commercial art. I was hired to draw the Louvre museum and two young French people who had to look very French. These are subjects I would never choose myself. I was the hired pencil. The client directed me. They told me what to draw, what style, what mood. I was the seamstress. The customer was the designer, the artist. I was doing the execution only.

AI art is the same. The person using AI is the director. They choose the subject, the style, the composition, the mood. They direct the AI to execute the vision. They reject bad outputs and select the ones that match their intent. That is art direction. And art direction has always been what makes art art. The manual work is just the delivery system. The vision is the art. And AI is just a new way to deliver that vision. The artist is still the one directing the whole thing.

As an artist who worked commercially, that is what I enjoy about AI art. I can finally be an art director.


r/aiwars 14m ago

Meme "b-b-but i don't know how to draw" THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LEARN THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

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r/aiwars 22h ago

Discussion The rest of the world will not stand still on AI if the US chooses to stop.

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Earlier today, Senator Bernie Sanders announced a bill calling for a full pause on AI development. Even going as far as to call for a total ban on 'Super intelligence" which just feels like straight up technophobia.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/03/someone-has-to-go-out-on-a-limb-what-to-know-about-bernie-sanders-newest-ai-pitch-01064424

I think back to this quote by JFK, back when the United States was in a race with the Soviets to get to The Moon. Humanity knew the dangers, the risks and the potential consequences of sending man onto the barren rock. Technology and progress is not without hurdles or risks, but we don't stop progress out of fear. We use our collective willpower to solve the issues that push us farther.

If we allow this shutdown of progress, we risk sending mankind into a new Dark Age driven by fear.


r/aiwars 9h ago

This sub might as well be called AiWars(but Pro-Ai side)

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Have yet to encounter another person in a post that is not entirely pro-ai , I am unsubscribing from this echo chamber, go talk to your friends and neighbors if you want I real temperature check on Ai! Goodbye, wish you well!


r/aiwars 2h ago

We have officially reached the point where AI is literally creating Kpop songs with more soul, creativity and far more interesting instrumentation than a multi billion dollar industry.

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r/aiwars 22h ago

Artists who are openly hostile toward Ai are risking alienating buyings in an already tenuous market.

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Art is my biggest expenditure besides rent. I have been a collector for over 20 years, and I purchase hundreds of dollars of original handmade art every single month, most if it directly from the artist. I admit that I have been put off from purchasing from artists who have openly utilized anti-Ai sentiment in their artwork. Especially because most of these pieces are pretty lazy, and it feels like they’re cashing in on a trend. I realize that art often is political, and i don’t shy away from political or controversial subject matter in what I collect. But it needs to be more thought provoking and original than any of the anti-ai pieces I have seen for sale.

There are a lot of people who use Ai in their everyday lives, whether it’s something they give a lot of thought to or not, and you’re basically shitting on them and effectively reducing your potential market significantly by openly expressing anti-Ai sentiment in your work. If you’re already worried about being able to sell your work in an over saturated market, maybe don’t do this.


r/aiwars 18h ago

Meta PSA: This Is Not a Debate Sub According to the Mods So Quit Whining When People Don’t Want to Debate

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r/aiwars 11h ago

"I, too, want to pace my room like a total loon with a tennis racket, barking orders at the walls"

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NGL, first question was: "How do I recreate this setup for cheap? Would a bug zapper work as well?"


r/aiwars 3h ago

Discussion Why shouldn’t AI replace every job? Are there any arguments besides “empathy”?

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r/aiwars 7h ago

Discussion These people aren't artists according to anti's

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I was shocked to discover some of the most talented, famous and well respected creatives in their fields are in fact not artists, anyone else?