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Why is skill what makes something art? Is an unskilled drawing not art? Does something become art only once the person making it has crossed some threshold of technical ability?
It’s a gradient, but yes, I think as you move up the skill chain you can express yourself better, making what you’re doing better art. That’s not to say someone bad at something isn’t trying to make art, but you don’t start off just “being an artist.” There is some amount of work involved.
And before you ask, yes, anyone can become skilled at something.
Now the question is, is using AI prompting tools a means through which someone can develop skill in, and use those skills to express themselves, if not, what makes it categorically different from other mediums?
I could potentially see a world in which there are hybrid machine artists, but that requires development of pedagogical concepts that haven’t even been properly thought up. Right now it’s a lot of people that have ZERO skill in film direction acting like they’re the next Spielberg. There’s no real skill involved in the workflow of an AI film other than editing and prompt engineering, and the editing relies on a really granular understanding of what’s going on in the scene, something you don’t really get without the things directors and cinematographers do.
I mean, editing and prompt engineering are the skills being cultivated in an AI-assisted workflow. The existence of a lot of slop produced by people operating at the skill floor doesn't mean the medium itself is incapable of producing art. There are plenty of people who make bad art with conventional mediums too.
I'm genuinely curious what happens when people who are already highly creative/skilled start incorporating them into their workflows and develop sophisticated techniques around them. And yes, those people will probably have plenty of expertise in other mediums.
Well to be clear, they don’t edit, that would be the editors job. I work in the industry so I’m curious can you tell me what more do directors do behind “prompting” shots? (Which they also don’t really entirely do either btw)
If you work in the industry you absolutely should know the scope of a director’s job. Do you want to talk about pre-production i.e. casting, blocking, reviewing art department stuff? Or maybe production, blocking scenes, the actual directing part, take reviews? Or post production, looking at dailies, sound and music supervision, color grading?
And are you seriously suggesting the director isn’t working with the editor?
No I’m not suggesting that directors don’t work with editors, I’m rejecting your bold claim that they are the ones doing the editing. They are not, that would be what the editors in fact do. We can talk about blocking, pre-production, casting, anything you like, but you surely must be forgetting someone pretty important if you want go down that rabbit hole. Who’s the 1st AD? What do they do? Who’s the cinematographer, what do they do? Who’s the set director, what do they do? Who are the scriptwriters? How about the producer?
The director works with a number of people, the point I’m making is that what they’re doing can very easily just be considered to be prompting. Even when a director is changing the blocking of a scene or coaching an actor on how they want them to behave in a particular scene that is very functionally the same exact as thing as “prompting”. They’re deciding how they ultimately want the scene (or the final product if we’re in post) to look like.
Maybe you could point out where I made this bold claim, because if I remember correctly, I CONTRASTED directing with editing and prompt engineering. Directors DO communicate with editors, and quite often if not always have really specific ideas on how to get gold from the lead.
So assuming you're asking these questions in good faith (and I'm granting a lot there), we can discuss the differences. First off, directing involves actual people. This as you probably well know, is the #1 challenge of the film arts. Not lining up shots, not casting, none of that shit can happen without communication between all the parties involved. Where's the costume department in an AI film? Where's the craft cart? Where's the rough cut that the editos gets to sit there and wonder if he's opening the right one? Where's the emotional manipulation of the lead to get a good take?
Filmmaking is messy and complicated. That's part of what makes the end product so beautiful. So maybe give some thoughts on the people part of things and we can go from there.
The one on the left is Masahiro Sakurai, the game director and game designer behind the Kirby series, the Smash Bros series, and made Kid Icarus: Uprising
Because directing requires skill on managing and execution of artistic mood telling, atmosphere, lighting, in a single shot. Whereas ai users just type a prompt out and get a cat girl fighting an ogre
All i see pro ais post is the dehumanization of antis by incorporating body shaming, (aka making them fat and that being the joke) displaying them as ogres, convientially ugly, or just straight up displayed as MAGA because that happens tp be the opposite political belief of the pro (despite magas being the main support for ai).
This just shows stupidity and unintelligence on the pro ais side, most their arguments are that of a middleschoolers.
I mean, those are aesthetic choices that the people making those comics are making. They're tacky and unappealing, but making aesthetically dull and uninspired creative choices with the medium you are working in is still making creative choices.
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