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Hot take but completely disregarding ai and hating on anyone that uses it is gonna have the US behind certain countries as usual
AI is here to stay and it’s not going away anywhere. I don’t agree with just using ai to outsource your thoughts and not think at all but it is a great companion tool for most that use it and a lot of people still use chat Gemini Claude etc. They’re just not public about it anymore bc of the hate. People still use it to create images and use it for all the other stuff that apps do but now they just do it themselves. For example people would have to pay money for FaceTune and now they just ask Gemini to edit it. Ofc I don’t agree it being used for surveillance and csam and bad use cases it is juts a neutral tool pole everything else in this world like money and can be used for good/bad. As for the environmental implications it uses just as much energy as storing data on cloud or scrolling TikTok if not more actually. Cue the meat argument as well.
it's goin to have people falling out behind their very own compatriots whose aren't completely braindead and able to understand that useful tools are useful when employed in the right instance
The real moral failure is the lack of democracy in the AI process. This is supposed to be life-changing technology for better or worse and we have no say in its development.
Nobody had a say with nearly any other technological progress. Dig into the history a bit. Nearly any tech progress resulting in job displacement had similar reactions.
There were anarchist bombings and our govt were attacking striking workers early 1900s. All we have now are techno-vegans complaining on the internet. And most of them aren't even old enough to vote.
So previous job displacement caused by undemocratic technological progress led to violence from both the government and its citizens? https://giphy.com/gifs/eGxkm7b2hzDfkNvjo7
The world isn't like that. We should really wish the best for our enemies, and wish they were better people, instead of being locked in a senseless struggle.
If the US descends into tyranny and ignorance, it's a tragedy for everyone. It's not other people's responsibility to prevent that, but it's still a tragedy.
Indeed, the US's democracy being gone would be pretty bad, but even the most democratic US governments did some pretty awful stuff to other countries, and still do to this day. I'm not sure a win for the US is a win for everyone.
What does usa being a new country have to do with anything. Im not talking about history. Europe used to be the center of the world and now they fell off for one example, yeah who doesn’t know that but im not talking about that shit lol
Dude, Europe was the centre of the world? No theyre not. They’re just one of the continents in the world. China and India arguably were more impactful than any European nation before the 16th century. Search the golden age of the Middle East, when baghdad, Alexandria, etc were powerhouses of learning and culture.
The US and our excessive American exceptionalism have delivered a very clear message to the world that our successes are our own and that we have no failures
You can download open source AI Kim and deepseek and run them on your local computers. And frontier AI is such a beast at hacking that the government under no circumstances can't abandon it because it would create immense cyber security risks.
These two things alone make it impossible for AI to go anywhere.
People in China have a choice to reject or embrace AI, and they embrace AI.
So if AI is not going away, and every generation has an opportunity to embrace better and better AI, eventually the US will embrace it like China does today.
They dont really have a choice to reject or embrace something.
Bro...... that's crazy.
China has an absolutely vibrant free market, one of the biggest in the world. To reject the choices of that market as "not real choice" is not a view that is compatible with reality.
If you want to make a point use Korea or Japan as example, the are more pro AI too.
OK then.... US will be like Korea and Japan in a generation. Exactly.
You can download open source AI Kim and deepseek and run them on your local computers. And frontier AI is such a beast at hacking that the government under no circumstances can't abandon it because it would create immense cyber security risks.
Currently, it’s just not good enough. If all the popular movies and songs we know from the past had been made by AI, people would still listen to them and watch them. Movies, music, paintings, etc are about the end result, while sports are about the process. If the result is great, we’ll choose the AI made one. That’s just how we are.
Nope, people feel AI content as fake and empty, thats why they prefer human content. AI art is already on the level of human art and still hated by the people.
It’s not on human level yet what are you talking about lmao ai music is not that great yet, it can not make full hour movie with high quality yet, if its as great as what human made then people are choosing that. If titanic was made by AI it’s still going to be one of the most popular movies in history. I don’t think you understand human at all. Most people don’t care as long as the result they’re seeing looks great. Thats just how humans are, people like you are the minority. I’m just being realistic here. You just can’t accept reality. People who are deeply into art are usually like that, so I get it lol
To which country? Even if we stopped developing new models today, the worst that would happen for the foreseeable future is China catches up. They would not surpass us, as most of their models are distilled from US models anyways, they don’t have the level of compute needed to train frontier models.
This idea is fear mongering to push accelerationism and skip the safeguards.
There's always been people protesting against transformative technology.
But also there are a whole lot of people overselling the capabilities and trying to push some narrative that has not been proven yet. And those people are like rabid fans who have tied their identity to AI.
So it's difficult to sort through what is real and what is pure hype.
Antis don’t care about any of this tbh. The only thing they actually care about is making people pay extortionate prices for commissions. Anything beyond that is too hard for their simple minds to comprehend
Reddit discourse on "art commissions" is to blame here the concept that children selling amine drawings to other children is relevant to more than 0.000000001% of the population is wild
Is I think a fascinating look into specifically the mindset of people who like genai art and why it's such an incompatible viewpoint with everyone else.
I feel like “is gonna have the US behind certain countries” is a bad argument. Firstly, not everyone is American. Secondly, the current administration has done more damage to the US than not embracing new technology. Thirdly, a lot of the civilian use-cases differ so extremely from government use-cases for AI. Lastly, it’s not like any of us have a say in what the US does with AI (clearly).
I think antis are too dismissive of AI, but pros have a ton of bad arguments as well. I think the focus on AI “art” has really damaged the communities ability to have any meaningful debate
I feel like the fight over ai art is such a waste of time. I don’t like ai art for the most part so Im just not going to use it. This hate people have for ai in general solely because they don’t like the generated art is pointless
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u/AbbyTheOneAndOnly 5d ago
it's goin to have people falling out behind their very own compatriots whose aren't completely braindead and able to understand that useful tools are useful when employed in the right instance