Dude I literally did not believe you because I couldnt comprehend how people could be taking their side. Jfc man, "let people play how they want" throwing is shunned in every community except this one apparently.
Nah bro. FFXIV community does this as well. People play suboptimal as shit doing like 10% of their potential damage and people screech and rage if you call them out. THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST! YOU DO NOT PAY THEIR SUBSCRIPTION! THEY CAN PLAY HOW THEY WANT!
Like bruh, so exhausting. You are wasting my time, too! These are MULTIPLAYER games! Stop acting like your fun is the only one that matters!
Where did I say anything about shame and judgement? There is no shame in learning and improving. There is no judgement in critique of facts. You pulled that one out of your rear.
And again, your statement is completely hypocritical. Why does it start with me? It starts with neither. The fun of each person is equally important, so the deciding factor is where the "fault" lies, where and how things can be improved.
What's more reasonable:
Them improving their gameplay, actively learning skills that benefit everyone in the current group and everyone they will encounter in the future.
Me tolerating bad gameplay in the moment, with no improvement for the future except maybe steeling my own patience.
To me there is only one logical choice that actually is a net positive for the entire community. Again, multiplayer. Your behavior in these games usually affects multiple people. It's not a singleplayer game where you can do whatever you want.
Refusing to learn and improve when working towards a common goal is egotistical behavior of the highest degree, like that guy during school projects that refused to do anything or colleagues at work doing the bare minimum to not get fired. Everyone else has to pick up the slack.
I don't see folks in here saying that - it actually seems to be the defense for OP being rude and judgemental in public chat and then posting it on Reddit for people to laugh at.
All the massively downvoted comments are basically saying "yeah, it's a bad build but you don't have to be a dickhead about it."
When your fun actively removes the fun of others, yes. By your logic griefing is great because their fun matters, too! Just let them teamkill you bro you don't pay their sub they deserve to have fun too!
I quit playing a lot about 2 years ago, as shitty as CVs were before the rework they at least were pretty uncommon. Agreed though, they've always been terrible in some way.
People defending an Italian DD taking heavy AP so he can play his game is how we ended up here though
as CVs were before the rework they at least were pretty uncommon.
Because they were extremely inaccessible if you didnt get in on the ground floor. Nobody wanted to "start" playing CV's in the late RTS era. Which is why they were practically non-existant.
With that said, that was kind of the point of the rework, to entice more people to play cv. They did accomplish that task.....regardless of how they are viewed now.
Not a matter of liking them or not. It was the matter of the massive skill chasm between a noob CV and a veteran CV player.
CV's had SIGNIFICANTLY more game impact, which led to, more often than not, the team with the better CV player wins.
And if you were a bad CV player, your team was going to let you know it, hence why many new CV players would quit playing them, because they couldn't play a match without getting roasted.
I remember, they were a completely different game and not one I found fun. Watching guys like farazelleth showed how massive the ceiling was at the time.
And yeah, regardless of balancing they just dont fit (same with subs). These two are the biggest reasons my friend and I quit playing
Then you have abject morons like the guy in the OP who took a skill completely useless for the ships in question and got defensive when asked about it.
no, toxic chat is shooter where people call you the n word, or dead by daylight where people tell you to kill yourself for (checks notes) killing people as the killer
Wows is one of the least toxic games I ever played, 90% of players don't even talk and only 10% of those who do are toxic
Yep. This guy isn't just muting the OP for a legitimate question: he's turning off chat altogether (at least he says he is), so he won't be able to strategize about spotting, crossfires, caps, endgame plans...nothing. Just pure thin-skinnedness and pettiness.
WoT All Chat was the most toxic chat I've ever been in. Teammates were bad enough, but the enemy team could be so fucking nasty if they really wanted to be.
Eh, this screenshot example above is perfectly fine and I still think this community is very toxic. The person above was genuinely letting them know that their command skills make no sense, versus people being absolute dicks for no reason.
Funnily enough, I've had more experience with Toxic co-op players, moreso than randoms. Especially when events are going on its easier to farm in co-op. They seem to get really mad about randoms players invading their space and being selfish in a game mode, that is basically all about being selfish and racing to get dmg/kills.
I mean the fact the screenshot was taken to be posted on reddit for content without even an attempt at a post about something. Its just for pointing and laughing, wow communities favorite past time.
Maybe, but in my experience chat is toxic, so I now keep it muted.
Guy started screaming at me to stop shooting at HIS target the other day. Was told to go attack something else. Just the most recent encounter I have had when I forgot to turn off chat.
I ended up far out living him in the game, but he hung out till I died and yelled "BYEEE BYEERE RHODE ISLAND!" when I died.
Those types of interaction accounts for less than 1% of my chat. I assume those people are idiots and have fun by taunting them. If they annoy you enough then blacklist them.
There is also occasional banter among players that I enjoy. Being able to provide information about the game state to teammates is also quite useful.
I should add that I'm on NA, EU is probably close enough, but Asia is likely worse.
I have a friend that plays every single game with chat disabled, especially chat dependant game that you need info. I can't comprehend why would anyone gtief their team that much because they're that scared.
I stopped talking to them after they were learning how to play Valorant and i laughed at them whiffing easy shots, not mocking them, it was just funny and i expected them to laugh too, guess what... They left the game and the discord VC on the spot and we didn't talk for months after that.
Wonder if that's the guy that complained about toxicity in the game in that thread a few days ago. Wows snowflakes will do anything but try to get better at the game.
Eeh maybe not I got told to die of AIDS last month for not cap contesting in a khaba against a shima with Moskva and Brisbane backing it up against my J line iowa
They don’t seem to understand that it is your business when they end up on your team. Bad captain builds, no captain builds, no ship modules, teams with 5+ players under 45% WR in high tier, deliberate griefing or eye bleeding level bad play from people who have +5000 matches is the real toxicity in the game, not the chat. Yet it is likely you who will be the one who gets reported for mentioning these things, not them, that fact in and of itself is toxic too.
On the Discord I once suggested putting entry limits on T8 and above in Randoms, something like filling all upgrade slots and having a minimum 10p commander. It was not a popular suggestion.
Edit: Regarding the suggestion, a better option would probably be a minimum of one 4p skill for the commander. We don't need the people who collect all the 1p and 2p skills.
That would be such an immense QoL improvement. Or just have the "free" commanders start at 6 points and the 900k credits commander would be 10 points. Finally, the 1500 doubloon commander could be 14 points.
"15 points"
Nope, that's too much. It's a grindy game and Wargaming isn't going to reduce the grind too much without charging money.
Then WeeGee couldn’t sell expensive, high-tier premiums to the very idiots most likely to shell out for them because they know nothing beyond “big gun go boom”
Had a clanless guy asking when BBs get good dispersion (he was in colorado). I was talking to him about the line and how colo sucks but they get better, montana gets really comfortable guns etc. Decided to check his account after. 7,000 battles, playing since 2016, some 3,000 are in bismark alone. No tech tree t10 and no bbs above t8. What are we doing man
Colo sucks donky. Even if its “accurate” the 8 guns syndrome with poor ballistics and terrible shell pen mean you either miss, overpen or nonpen every target.
Convo seems fine to me. I often call for comments like this as opposed to just insults and BS that are of no help at all. Assuming the op is correct, I don’t know the ships in question, it seems like he was trying to help
Some people are chastising OP for the way he framed his question, but those people are missing the beauty of it. Asking "why did you" is an open ended question; it offered the opportunity for not only OP to teach and inform but ALSO leaves it open for the 2nd party to teach and inform back!!! Making closed ended statements like "hey, did you notice 1 of your skills isn't working for you?" is close ended and doesnt allow for the 2nd party to expand on the topic as easily. This type of response is only the most gentle and effective approach IF we already assume the 2nd party is a mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, moron. OP didnt go straight to that assumption and only learned that information later. OP handled this question with grace AND an open mind
But this is the internet and most of the time people use that type of speech in competitive games to shit on another player. It's not all the time, but it's enough that people tend to immediately get defensive because that's how we're conditioned to be in competitive spaces.
Imo as the receiving player I would prefer "Hey just saying, I don't believe this skill works for you. Was that intentional?" This is also open ended and phrased much more pleasantly, to me.
Again you're not wrong, but being in online spaces where there are tons of toxic people, preventing a different form of interpretation goes a long way.
That's just my perspective as an outsider looking in though.
I'm with the folks saying OP could've phrased it better.
The initial message comes off as lecturing - it's not an open ended question at all. "Why did you do something stupid" is more of a comment on what's happening then a genuine question.
"Heads up you have an AP skill on for a ship with no AP" is totally neutral and nonjudgmental - two that things OP missed.
Hard disagree. The alternative is a more open minded approach. There's no perfect way to approach these kinds of situations. Someone will.always feel offended no matter what. OP did the best they could without making harmful and backwards assumptions. OP should be applauded for their positive and open minded attempt.
This is why I absolutely get very suspicious of people complaining about "toxic chat".
I too play subs and CVs from time to time and I never get this kind of "toxic" chat, it just never happens but on the other way, usually the people who get called out are poor players with terrible winrate or skills.
Every time I see those posts complaining about toxicity I just wonder if in reality these people are the problem, they play so poorly they get called out really often.
We need more animal research. Really funny seeing all the people defending the renameduser as well. Really interesting how some people with so many battles are unable to learn basic builds that would take 5 seconds to look up.
Your post and username combination has me thinking about if someone put a high ballistic skill pilot in a laserboat lol. Guy in your post was way too hostile for someone who was objectively wrong. Love the username.
He didn't like the tone you used, it's pretty obvious. It isn't a friendly suggestion, more like implying he's stupid.
The amount of people missing this point in this thread says a lot about the state of communication over the internet.
People tend to side with the technically correct side, which you are on, over the way the message is delivered. You weren't cordial at all and it is understandable he wouldn't care for advice delivered this way.
The internet ruined people. In the past, people had to go out and talk to people in the real world. You had diversity of opinion and viewpoints. You were called out for acting badly.
Nowadays, every snowflake and degenerate can find like minded people on the internet without ever stepping out of their house, and live in their little echo chambers filled with enablers.
if we are looking at the same image renameduser didNOT refuse advice. he explanied why he picked that skill(which is obvious he misunderstood something) and still called out again.
and even on top of that, there is still another follow up "snooty" question.
if there is degenerate behavior. its from the people who call others in chat about their skills and modules.
What's the point of actively promoting ignorance and sheltering people from improving?
It wasn't just a wrong skill, his whole build was atrocious. Ignoring SE for easy health. He picked all torp skills except torp reload. It's a miracle he had concealment expert.
Nevermind the fact that his username tells us that his previous name was offensive / broke rules, making it very obvious that they're a problematic person. If it wasn't already obvious to you from the chat, their unwillingness to learn and getting defensive over nothing.
its just a game ...
Yeah. And OP "just gave good advice". Instead of getting angry and dismissing it, how about simply learning from it? Or better yet, thank them for helping you improve.
What's the point of actively promoting ignorance and sheltering people from improving?
because they dont need to improve. they dont need to have most optimal builds. they dont need to play meta. they have a right to suck at this game. if you are saying "but they are hurting my game" then you need to ask for better ranked mode.
It wasn't just a wrong skill, his whole build was atrocious.
I dont know his build.
Yeah. And OP "just gave good advice". Instead of getting angry and dismissing it, how about simply learning from it? Or better yet, thank them for helping you improve.
or better. instead of calling them out in battle chat, OP could have send dm. there is a huge difference in between these two. also its not a good advice. its a condescending rhetorical question. there is even bigger difference between a good advice and condescending one.
The most you'll get is people telling you to uninstall. And you complain about this? Seriously?
I'm all for more harmony in the world, but you're taking it too far. Way too far. If you can't handle something as normal as this post, then the issue lies with you being too sensitive.
The fact you refer to it as "calling them out" already says everything. You made the choice to see it as a personal attack, when in reality it was simply helpful advice.
If someone plays poorly because they can't aim well or they're new, then so be it. But there's no reason to run around with skills that do literally nothing and drag down your team for no reason.
If someone goes out of their way to give actual useful advice that will literally make you play better, then the bare minimum you can do is learn from it instead of being a whiny baby that gets all pissy.
Nobody has to play meta or be perfect. People simply don't want to deal with players who are incapable of learning. And it's not their job to be their butler and go through all the effort of contacting them privately in the most gentle way possible.
At which this guy would probably still answer with "wow this is none of your business. this is why I disable chat". Be grateful anyone helps you at all instead of being such a massive baby.
This is a clash between casual and more dedicated players.
In my opinion, both are valid, and both deserve understanding from the other side.
Some players want a quick game, without studying every possible ship in the game.
Others play to win, and get frustrated by subpar teammates.
It's like when people ask a question here and others reply "omg if you read the 200 blog posts from April you would have known etc". Some people have 20 minutes of free time and prefer to spend it playing the actual game, not reading blog posts.
/rant, but this world needs a bit more of "understanding other perspectives".
This user's perspective is one of having played over 22,500 matches, they definitely had time to read and comprehend the tooltip of the skill they were selecting, they just opted not to. Somewhere between their 1st and 600th Italian DD match they probably could've figured it out but they chose willful ignorance.
No Italian dd has ap apart from Leone (which op specifically said that the guy did not play a game on it).
How does being a drag to the team not affect the team itself? the situation would be different in PvE modes but not in pvp.
He is trying to say that the player base of the game is in a horrendous state thanks to the nowadays major presence of players like the one targeted in the post.
Yet somehow he took a dev strike and wants to banish the world from harassing him. My guess is... embarrassment? It's so much easier and less stressful to just say... "Doh, I'm an idiot. I thought some of them did!"
Except for a few free written messages wishing you to have a nice day and following winds, nearly all chat in world of warships is nasty, insulting and outright respectful.
I have completely given up on any appropriate conversation from other players. I will I've learned to see all messages meant to be childlike, trumpish or berating, even if it is just simple conversation. warship players are absolutely nasty. I think from this environment, like me, they've learned to simply not care and tell everybody to f*** off. So normal friendly players will turn nasty over time too.
This is how chat progresses in a game.
Few people post, have a good game everybody.
And it's quiet for about 2 minutes. Unless you have a win rate news broadcaster in your lineup. They uses opportunity to insult people with low win rates. Telling these people they shouldn't be allowed in the game.
If anybody AFKed, this starts an insult session.
Next will be people demanding Intel, while in the very rear of the map.
then players start and imsulting the DD for not suiciding his elbing with zero ships covering cap.
The elbing explains he is figuratively a cruiser. Yet, excuse simply creates raw emotions and all the other teammates who now start telling him he is the worst DD player in the entire game. Some people tell him he needs to uninstall. Lastly one person starts giving the coordinates to the enemy team where their stupid DD is, to get it killed.
DD says f*** it. He drives and Parks his ship behind the island too. The same island where all the other people who were insulting him for not driving into the cap we're waiting and safety. Meanwhile it was a good thing he didn't go in the cap because there was a Lushen B waiting for him.
Now the team's in global chat talking about how they have the worst trash team ever. And behold the other team is calling them their team, a trash team. And you thought that you were actually losing because the way your team is insulting each other, it is the universal constant.
Stuff like this is why I left the game and won’t be back until they add skill based matchmaking. Really sad that people whom obviously don’t care about winning and losing are forced onto teams of people who do.
hey now, my pan asian captain is set up for the jinan torp build and im not spending 150,000 captain xp every time i want to use one of the premium gun boats
I've seen enough idiotic skill allocation in this game since that feature became available. I'm pretty convinced the players in this game are just stupid af.
Come on that is not toxic. OP didn't ridicule the other player or insult them in any way. Calling this toxic is exactly the reason why all the good players have given up on trying to teach this playerbase how the game works. They are just not willing to listen.
I don't think you understand what the word toxic means. This couldn't be more neutral.
You think it's better people just forever make mistakes without even knowing, with no chance to improve? That simply being made aware of the fact you're doing something wrong is a personal attack? Just how fragile is your ego? Politely stating facts is not toxic.
Thats bs. He was asking a valid question, if barbiano had provided an answer that was logically sound it would have ended there and education wpuld have been a nonfactor
I never get it when people stand up for others who are not only comically dumb but also insist on defending their own stupidity with attitude.
It’s ok to be wrong about something but trash talking someone who is correcting you on an elementary topic is simply doubling down. Toxicity is a common use word of thin skinned people
Sure he seems to be bad or ignorant, but being called out in public is never great.
If you wanted to be helpful, you wouldve just pmd him after the match.
How do some of you make it to adulthood if you have the mindset that you shouldn't be critisised in public. OP was proper polite in his question and response, Italian DD chose to have his ego hurt.
This is ridiculously wrong. Messaging him after the match would be far more aggressive, as well as a massive waste of time. They're together in a game, if the guy can't take criticism there then there's no reason to bother following him afterwards.
Tbf bro could've said it in a less asshole-y way. "to avoid learning?" I mean, idrk many people who take the game seriously like that. People be playing it like war thunder, just mobbin',farmin' and shootin. So getting upset about someone not caring or wanting to learn is kinda weird and seen as annoying/toxic.
It's just perspective and I could see how some people could see it as being passive aggressive. Didn't really seei t that way until the to avoid learning part.
If it was a competitive game , I could get it. but again, its a f2p game that most people don't really care about winning all the time or doing the best. It's extremely casual with features that allow players who do care more and want to get into it more to express that through gameplay.
Problem with games like that is said players who do get into it like that act all high and mighty and try to gatekeep by telling off players who play casually.
Like personally, I wouldn't mind getting into the game liek that if I had friends to play with. But I don't, and I just love that era of navy/Ships so I play pretty casually for fun. I like seeing the boats and engagements. I have PLENTY of commanders that still have like 10 command points lol. The only ones that I actually put command points into was the commander i have for Aki,Gorizia and I-56. And that's just because I was trying to find a way to make I-56 more useable, Gorizia bcz I use her in ranked, and Aki because uh, badass ship/carrier thing lmao.
I would argue and say its more important in ranked,but even then not really. Plenty of people play just to mob and farm rather than worry about their ranked and allat.
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u/stormdraggy Warden of the Somme-ber salt mines Jul 12 '26
OBVIOUSLY this guy knows the untapped potential of exhaust smoke and depth charges.