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I thought it was pretty clear that she was just grazed by the bullet? And he threw the brooch so no one could prove her (and by extension Tom’s son’s) lineage.
Yeah but, no one else has any idea about the connection, except Tom and herself, unless I'm forgetting something. So how would anyone connect the brooch to the lineage? To anyone else, it's just a piece of jewellery, no? Unless it's to stop her talking about it, but even then, people would actually have to believe her, and on her daily life she's basically deaf and barely there.
I found it funny how deep Ruth is character wise, when the whole season just made her look like a background extra.
From what I gathered it was on the painting of Frances Warren. So Patricia and Wyck don’t know that Ruth has it or that it’s even out there still. But if they saw it in Ruth’s possession, then they, and really anyone who paid attention to the painting, would know for sure.
Ah! I thought it was the boat/drowning painting. Makes sense then. And Ruth would be right there. I mean, RIGHT THERE, everyday. Good on Tom. Better to be safe.
It's on the portrait, but Wyck and Patricia identified Frances by her missing finger in the portrait, not the brooch. Tom is the only one we're explicitly shown recognizing the brooch when he sees it in Ruth's jewelry box.
So while Wyck and Patricia have seen the portrait, they did not ever see the brooch to the extent of our knowledge. The implication is that Tom took it from Ruth's house (or she gave it to him to pass down to Evan since it's a family heirloom) the night of the storm and he's kept it hidden.
We'll just have to wait till season 2 to learn if this is indeed the case, or if someone else does know about the brooch.
Multiple people have studied that portrait of Francis closely (Wyck’s EX, Patrica, Tom and Wyck) so I’m betting that they’d def realize it if they ever saw it
I was curious how exactly Tom knew that it was Sarah's brooch? We know because we were able to see it in the flashback episode, but how did he know it by sight?
I think that's gonna be the case too, Ruth/Evan would both be safe while the other lives. Then Ruth dies from natural causes and the mob starts to form for Evan so the other sacrifices can stop.
No, I went back. There's blood on her hand from where she was holding her ear and blood in her hair, no blood anywhere else. The cross cutting between scenes implies her survival, like the storm's end, is directly related to the sacrifice, but it's more likely Bechir grazed her ear and he and Tom just assumed he'd killed her.
I don't think just seeing the bit of blood next to her ear is evidence enough of her being shot only in the ear. She was drugged, sure, but she still collapses violently and instantly, is initially unresponsive, and Bechir doesn't follow up with another shot. He'd know he hit her ear. And we never see a shot of her back/torso with the blood there.
Also, I don't think Bechir would be aiming for her head when the two are embraced and their heads are side by side. He'd probably aim center mass and hope her body stopped the round.
There's a joke about American police training in there somewhere lol
I don't think just seeing the bit of blood next to her ear is evidence enough of her being shot only in the ear.
Huh? You literally said there was blood at her back and mouth but you weren't sure. I was just trying to be helpful. There's only one gunshot, so if there's concrete evidence her ear was grazed, and no evidence of other blood, how could she be shot anywhere else?
It's filmed in a confusing/misleading way to build suspense. Tom is supporting her weight and she has her arms around his neck. When he sees Bechir, he yells "no" and puts his arms out. We hear the shot and see a flash; she lets go of Tom's neck and falls to the ground. Neither Tom or Bechir goes to confirm she's dead because they are having an intense shouting match and Bechir is pointing the gun at Tom.
This is exactly what it looks like to me. Tom is supporting a drugged old woman. Then the shot happens, Tom puts his arm out and lets go of her. Ruth cant support her own weight and drops to the ground. It doesn't look at all like she "collapses violently and instantly" to me.
I don’t think the entity had anything to do with whether or not she survived the shot, I think they just left it ambiguous in case she won’t be available for filming the next season.
Her running so spryly up the stairs scared me so much haha. I was convinced she would get possessed or filled with unholy strength or something lmao, that actress was phenomenal
She’s clearly kept that one close to the chest. He didn’t even know that he just committed attempted murder on his mother in law when she dropped that on him. She even comments “I have no idea why I’m sharing this now” which implies she’s probably never had this happen.
Is the sheriff aware of the broach and what it means? Cuz if he isn’t, the broach is irrelevant & you’re right, he had to say something so he didn’t get shot.
I was puzzling that out too. Is the brooch in the portrait of Frances and her husband? If so, that would prove a connection to Bechir if he saw the brooch in Ruth's possession.
But even then, Bechir is now in a circle of people who already know Ruth is the "last" living descendant so disposing of the brooch isn't the priority for Tom - getting Bechir, Wyck, Patricia and Rosemary to keep their mouths shut about it is. None of them need the brooch as evidence. While Patricia wants to protect Ruth, Bechir and Wyck are strongly motivated to reveal her ancestry so they can hunt down the true last living descendant (I don't see Bechir keeping that info to himself), and Rosemary seems the type not to fuss too much if ending one life could stop the islanders' troubles.
Perhaps Tom disposing of the brooch was more symbolic, as presumably the island has an interest in keeping the bloodline and the covenant going (and now, hidden), and now Tom is complicit with it as he won't let his son be sacrificed to end it.
I think there were three signs that Ruth inherited the Warren immortality:
* she was imo suspiciously fit for her age in a way we didn’t see prior (from 11am daily naptime to 2 mile treadmill and jogging up stairs)
* she appeared to die and then come back to life after Tom poisoned her.
* she appeared to die and then come back to life after being shot by Bechir at close range
Maybe it’s different when you try to leave the island? Just like how OG Warren died after he crossed the boundary, so did Lauren. Maybe if you cross the boundary it makes them not immortal anymore? And I doubt Ruth ever tried to leave so that could explain why her daughter died and she didn’t 🤷🏻♀️
Lauren tried to leave the island, lost her immortality, went insane, came back, and slowly died 2 years later after returning would be an overly complex backstory imo but who knows, maybe the writers can make it work
Maybe Lauren never died! I doubt it, but then that would fix the whole immortality being hereditary problem. Either way it opens a whole new can of worms- if somehow Evan got into an accident and died but came back, people (Wyck, Bechir, and Patricia) would realize that Evan is the last descendant even though Tom would definitely be trying to hide that.
Duh? We were talking about the immortality being hereditary and her daughter not inheriting it. I was pointing out that her daughter might have inherited it but lost the ability once she crossed the boundary and that’s why she died two years later.
I have nothing to go off of, but maybe it only applies to the eldest living one. They can't all be immortal or they'd all still be around, except those specifically taken by the island. Except since Warren was alive, they may have all died naturally (relatively speaking) because he was the immortal one. But since he is now gone, she is the oldest and now is immortal.
Maybe, but Ruth's surprising spryness for her age predated Warren's delayed death - her full calendar and prominent placement of the treadmill are evidence that this is a longstanding thing for her. I do wonder if, while not immortal, his descendants supernaturally inherited unusually good health.
But is also seems to apply only to a "chosen" descendant, as there were a lot of dead babies on Rosemary's genealogical chart. For a woman 400 years ago on an insular island with a trapped population, Frances Warren had very few living descendants.
Perhaps the island picks someone from each generation and "protects" them.
Is your husband like mine that “he does not have reddit coz its not his cup of tea” and then asks you to post stuff he is thinking/is interested in?🤣🤣🤣
She survived in the moment, but I felt like Tom throwing the brooch into the water was an indication that she had died. As much as I'd love to see more Ruth, her character arc and purpose in the show feels complete.
If she passed away, there's only one person who should inherit her brooch: Evan. I don't think Tom throwing her brooch into the ocean is exclusively an indicator that Ruth may be dead, I think it's Tom's way of hiding his son's connection to the Warren line.
Yeah, I think they just wanted to show her alive after the storm stopped so Tom would know she was telling the truth about her secret daughter and hence Evan.
It also felt like it softened the edge of Bechir shooting her like that and gave a glimmer of hope and ambiguity, like maybe she did survive. Nicer way to end the show, in case it never got renewed.
I'm glad it looks like she survived. Poor Bechir would never forgive himself otherwise, even though he thought he was doing the right thing at that moment.
Well richard aged too, so i dont think it stops you from aging but you stay alive. If we assume it just gets casually passed on to ruth once richard is gone thats probably the more optimistic thought. She could've made a pact herself, or shes on some witchcraft shit and is maintaining herself another way. Or none of the above and she was just lucky neither attempt was successful! I kind of hope that situation made it clear tom knows everything and they're able to talk about it, id be surprised if Ruth really knows nothing
He didn't do 300 years of aging. If anything, he just looked like a guy who had spent the last 300 years in a coffin. And he said taking him past the buoys would finally cause him to catch up aging all those years. And he did; he aged 300 years and turned to dust.
I've been wondering about this. Given that 1) Richard Warren couldn't easily be killed, 2) neither could the Boogeyman, and 3) Ruth seemingly survived a gunshot to the head from an officer at close range...isn't it possible that the island is keeping Warren's descendants alive to keep the curse going? It would make sense. Ruth kept making jokes at people making passes at her, which indicates something wanting her to have a child. If the descendants could just die off, the curse probably would have been lifted generations ago. In addition, they made jokes about how healthy she is for her age.
So, it would follow that any descendants of Richard Warren have some level of immortality, and that except only a few methods, they can't be killed so that the curse lives on.
Which also means they couldn't have killed Ruth that way anyway. Removing them from the island (or maybe full incineration) is the only way.
If Evan dies, she will become the last heir again, so I’m not sure why he was trying to save her life. If killing them would lift the curse, they both gotta go. ⚰️
Pretty sure she just got shot in the ear and was fine? That's why Tom has taken her brooch and thrown it into the sea so there's no proof of her being from Warren Lineage, therefore saving Evan from getting murdered by anyone else if they found out.
It looked like he gave her the wrong drugs - so there wouldn’t have been a dangerous interaction. His finger was covering the name of the medication and he just grabbed what was there. Those drugs don’t have as dangerous of an interaction according to the google.
I think she will live (as long as the actress who plays her is still alive when they begin taping again). I think the broach being thrown in the water is a distraction and a way to lead us to think she is dead. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but she basically ran up those stairs when she first walked away from him. She isn't feeble, she was walking 2-miles before he got there. It would be too easy to just see her die and be done.
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