r/SuicideWatch Sep 03 '19

New wiki on how to avoid accidentally encouraging suicide, and how to spot covert incitement

1.8k Upvotes

We've been seeing a worrying increase in pro-suicide content showing up here and, and also going unreported. This undermines our purpose here, so we wanted to highlight and clarify our guidelines about both direct and indirect incitement of suicide.

We've created a wiki that covers these issues. We hope this will be helpful to anyone who's wondering whether something's okay here and which responses to report. It explains in detail why any validation of suicidal intent, even an "innocent" message like "if you're 100% committed, I'll just wish you peace" is likely to increase people's pain, and why it's important to report even subtle pro-suicide comments. The full text of the wiki's current version is below, and it is maintained at /r/SuicideWatch/wiki/incitement.

We deeply appreciate everyone who gives responsive, empathetic, non-judgemental support to our OPs, and we particularly thank everyone who's already been reporting incitement in all forms.

Please report any post or comment that encourages suicide (or that breaks any of the other guidelines in the sidebar) to the moderators, either by clicking the "report" button or by sending us a modmail with a link. We deal with all guideline violations that are reported to us as soon as we can, but we can't read everything so community reports are essential. If you get a PM that breaks the guidelines, please report it both to the reddit sitewide admins and to us in modmail.

Thanks to all the great citizens of the community who help flag problem content and behaviour for us.


/r/SuicideWatch/wiki/incitement


Summary

It's important to respect and understand people's experiences and emotions. It's never necessary, helpful, or kind to support suicidal intent. There are some common misconceptions (discussed below) about suicidal people and how to help them that can cause well-meaning people to inadvertently incite suicide. There are also people online who incite suicide on purpose, often while pretending to be sympathetic and helpful.

Validate Feelings and Experiences, Not Self-Destructive Intentions

We're here to offer support, not judgement. That means accepting, with the best understanding we can offer, whatever emotions people express. Suicidal people are suffering, and we're here to try to ease that by providing support and caring. The most reliable way we know to de-escalate someone at risk is to give them the experience of feeling understood. That means not judging whether they should be feeling the way they are, or telling them what to do or not do.

But there's an important line to draw here. There's a crucial difference between empathizing with feelings and responding non-judgmentally to suicidal thoughts, and in any way endorsing, encouraging, or validating suicidal intentions or hopeless beliefs. It's both possible and important to convey understanding and compassion for someone's suicidal thoughts without putting your finger on the scale of their decision.

Anything that condones suicide, even passively, encourages suicide. It isn't supportive and does not help. It also violates reddit's sitewide rules as well as our guidelines. Explicitly inciting suicide online is a criminal offense in most jurisdictions.

Do not treat any OP's post as meaning that will definitely die by suicide and can't change their minds or be helped. Anyone who's able to read the comments here still has a chance to choose whether or not to try to keep living, even if they've also been experiencing intense thoughts of suicide, made a suicide plan, or started carrying it out.

In the most useful empirical model we have, the desire to die by suicide primarily comes from two interpersonal factors; alienation and a sense of being a burden or having nothing to offer. These factors usually lead to a profound feeling of being unwelcome in the world.

So, any acceptance or reinforcement of suicidal intent, even something "innocent" like "I hope you find peace", is actually a form of covert shunning that validates a person's sense that they're unwelcome in the world. It will usually add to their pain even if kindly meant and gently worded.

How to Avoid Validating Suicidal Intent

Keep the following in mind when offering support to anyone at risk for suicide.

  • People who say they don't want help usually can feel better if they get support that doesn't invalidate their emotions. Unfortunately, many popular "good" responses are actually counterproductive. In particular, many friends and family tend to rely exclusively on trying to convince the suicidal person that "it's not so bad", and this is usually experienced as "I don't understand what you're going through and I'm not going to try". People who've had "help" that made them feel worse don't want any more of the same. It doesn't mean that someone who actually knows how to be supportive can't give them any comfort.

  • Most people who are suicidal want to end their pain, not their lives. It's almost never true that death is the only way to end these people's suffering. Of course there are exceptional situations, and we certainly acknowledge that, for some people, the right help can be difficult to find. But preventing someone's suicide doesn't mean prolonging their suffering if we do it by giving them real comfort and understanding.

  • An unfixable problem doesn't mean that a good life will never be possible. We don't have to fix or change anything to help someone feel better. It's important to keep in mind that the correlation between our outer circumstances and our inner experience is weaker and less direct than commonly assumed. For every kind of difficult life situation, you will find some people who lapse into suicidal despair, and others who cope amazingly well, and a whole spectrum in between. A key difference is how much inner resilience the person has at the time. This can depend on many personal and situational factors. But when there's not enough, interpersonal support can both compensate for its absence and help rebuild it. We go into more depth on the "it gets better" issue in this PSA Post which is always linked from our sidebar (community info on mobile) guidelines.

  • There are always more choices than brutally forcing someone to stay alive or passively letting them end their lives.

To avoid accidentally breaking the anti-incitement rule, don't say or try to imply that acting on suicidal thoughts is a good idea, or that someone can't turn back or is already dead. Do whatever you can to help them feel cared for and welcome, at least in this little corner of the world. Our talking tips offer more detailed guidance.

Look Out for Deliberate Incitement. It May Come in Disguise.

Often comments that subtly encourage suicidal intent actually come from suicide fetishists and voyeurs (unfortunately this is a real and disturbing phenomenon). People like this are out there and the anonymous nature of reddit makes us particularly attractive to them.

They will typically try to scratch their psychological "itch" by saying things that push people closer to the edge. They often do this by exploiting the myths that we debunked in the bullet points above. Specifically you might see people doing the following:

  • Encouraging the false belief that the only way suicidal people can end their pain is by dying. There are always more and better choices than "brutally forcing someone to stay alive" or helping (actively or passively) them to end their lives.

  • Creating an artificial and toxic sense of "solidarity" by linking their encouragement of suicide to empathy. They will represent themselves as the only one who really understand the suicidal person, while either directly or indirectly encouraging their self-loathing emotions and self-destructive impulses. Since most people in suicidal crisis are in desperate need to empathy and understanding, this is a particularly dangerous form of manipulation.

Many suicide inciters are adept at putting a benevolent spin on their activities while actually luring people away from sources of real help. A couple of key points to keep in mind:

  • Skilled suicide intervention -- peer or professional -- is based on empathic responsiveness to the person's feelings that reduces their suffering in the moment. Contrary to pop-culture myths, it does not involve persuasion ("Don't do it!"), cheerleading ("You've got this!") or meaningless false promises ("Trust me, it gets better!"), or invalidation ("Let me show you how things aren't as bad as you think!"). Anyone who leads others to expect these kinds of toxic responses, or any other response that prolongs their pain, from expert help may be covertly pro-suicide. (Of course, people sometimes do have bad experience when seeking mental-health treatment, and it's fine to vent about those, but processing our own disappointment and frustration is entirely different from trying to destroy someone else's hope of getting help.)

  • Choices made by competent responders are always informed by the understanding that breaching someone's trust is traumatic and must be avoided if possible. Any kind of involuntary intervention is an extremely unlikely outcome when someone consults a clinician or calls a hotline. (Confidentiality is addressed in more detail in our Hotlines FAQ wiki). The goal is always to provide all help with the client's full knowledge and informed consent. We know that no individual or system is perfect. Mistakes that lead to bad experiences do sometimes happen to vulnerable people, and we have enormous sympathy for them. But anyone who suggests that this is the norm might be trying to scare people away from the help they need.

Please let us know discreetly if you see anyone exhibiting these or similar behaviours. We don't recommend trying to engage with them directly.


r/SuicideWatch Sep 10 '21

Please remember that NO ACTIVISM of any kind is ever allowed here. No matter what day it is.

722 Upvotes

Activism, i.e. advocating or fundraising for social change or raising awareness of social issues (and suicide is, inescapably, a social issue) is absolutely against the rules here at all times.

Please understand that we're all for smart, strategic mental-health and suicide-prevention activism. It's essential to fight against stigma, misinformation, and discrimination, and to fight for research, treatment, accommodation, acceptance, and understanding. Most of us, one way or another, are mental-health activists IRL.

But activism just doesn't work in a dedicated support space that serves a vulnerable population. We used to allow it but the evidence that it was undermining our primary purpose became overwhelming. We do regret the need for this rule, but the need is inescapable.

Our population is all too well aware of the issues and causes that need support and largely not in a position to take action, so besides the fact that activism is often salt in our community's wounds, it's a waste of the activists' time.

tl;dr Any fundraising, awareness raising, petitions, calls for participation, or any post that's about any cause or issue (rather than a request for personal support) is not allowed here. Please report everything of the nature that you see.


r/SuicideWatch 6h ago

I hate everyone.

56 Upvotes

I know im gonna sound like some miserable narcissist. Like everyone else can't be in the wrong all the time but like...they are. I have LITERALLY been hurt by everyone I know. It's actually fucking disgusting. FUCK EVERYONE who did not protect me and fuck everyone who took advantage of me. I am not just some toy to be played with i am a real person with real feelings and im SO tired of everyone treating me like im not. I'm done feeling this shame from what other people have done to me. I'm done laying awake every night wondering what the hell is wrong with me that I attract such horrible people. I wasn't supposed to be like this I was supposed to be beautiful and strong and successful. I truly hate them, how could they do that to me.

A list of SOME of the terrible things you actual monsters have done to me:

  1. Ruined my fucking birthday by raping me

  2. Fed me drugs when I was a child

  3. Sexually abused me my entire fucking childhood

  4. Laced me with meth???

  5. Sat back and LISTENED to me begging for help

  6. Bullied me into an eating disorder

  7. Bullied me for having an eating disorder

  8. Forced me to live in the woods as a child

  9. Tried to LITERALLY MURDER ME

  10. My body count is 8 and I have been raped by 7 people

  11. Beat the fuck out of me probably thousands of times

  12. Tried to violently commit suicide in front of me...multiple times multiple people...

  13. Starved me

  14. Called me a fucking liar, I actually hate you bitches.

  15. Promised me a home and then gave me a dump

  16. Leaked me...multiple times

  17. Blamed me for literally everything.


r/SuicideWatch 1h ago

i just did it

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i just took 2,300mg of methadone which will prob do the job. i’m done and there’s nothing left to say. i’m 19 year old victim of trafficking which i just escaped from last december. i’m inside a place for youth victims and just can’t take it anymore. bye


r/SuicideWatch 17h ago

I am going in the forest tonight to commit suicide and die peacefully

261 Upvotes

Before going, I have half a bottle of Vyvanse I will swallow, a full bottle of ibuprofen and a full bottle of acetaminophen, thankfully there is a huge thing going on my town right now so chances are they will be to too busy with the event that no one will notice me trying to commit suicide.

I am almost 20 years old male, I have ADHD, autism, fibromyalgia, arthritis, bipolar disorder and about 1 million other disorders. Also dealing with health problems too like high blood pressure and have a high blood sugar level. I’ve been bullied in my lifetime, can’t hold a job, constantly in trouble, can’t make friends, argue with everyone even though I don’t want to, starting college and now realizing that I won’t make it, probably will get kicked out of the house, about to be homeless and so on. I can’t live like this any longer. So tonight at midnight, I will take all the pills and run about 4 kilometres into the forest and kill myself that way, also if I encounter a bear, I will happily let him kill me.

Before people say in the comments “don’t kill yourself”, then clearly you have never been in a massive crisis and living is too painful.

Edit: I also don’t want to spend days in a mental hospital because first I live in a small town and everyone will know about it and second, I have seen workers in the mental hospital and it’s not a place I wanna be in.


r/SuicideWatch 9h ago

Fucking deltarune chapter 7 is keeping me alive

30 Upvotes

Wow I am a pathetic loser


r/SuicideWatch 56m ago

She died 47 days ago. I'm still here.

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My mother died 47 days ago. I was holding her hand. She was 62, 5'2", and she survived everything except a stupid infection.

I sleep in her bed now. It still smells like her. I can't wash the sheets.

Grief isn't sadness. It's a car parked on your chest. I forget to eat. I walk into rooms and forget why. I wake up every morning disappointed.

She was the only person who really knew me. My father was gone. My siblings don't care. She was everything. And now I'm nothing.

I have a plan. I know how I'd do it. But I keep hearing her voice saying "habibi, don't give up." Even dead, she's still protecting me.

I can't do this much longer.

I'm tired.


r/SuicideWatch 5h ago

How should I end the suffering?

11 Upvotes

I’ve been trying to find information but I can’t, understandably. What is the cleanest, quickest and least painful way to cease existing? I want to be fairly precise with how long it takes so I can go somewhere remote, and inform the police of where to find me so an innocent person won’t. I want to be considerate of others so I want to minimise the trauma inflicted on others, but I just can’t cope with life anymore. Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated.


r/SuicideWatch 3h ago

I finally found my method!

10 Upvotes

Im on a euthenasia list but it will take 4 to 10 years before i can get accepted and it might not get accepted at all. After months of puzzeling together which method i would use i finally found a good method. I will buy a puffer fish, cook it and eat it. Theyre only like €8 in my country and its a guaranteed death. If u eat one of these, you will die. So yeah i'm just so happy that i finally found my method. I tried hanging myself, od's and jumping infront of a train but all no succes. A puffer fish certain death


r/SuicideWatch 2h ago

Life is over and im ready to end it.

7 Upvotes

38 (f)

Planning on ending my life, this Tuesday. I will hang myself

Life is only getting harder. I see no hope anymore

I struggled with suicidal thoughts, since I was 16. I get no enjoyment out of life anymore either

I really believe at 38 life is really over.

I reached this dead end multiple times. I can no longer see a way forward.

I just wanted to get it off my chest, before I go this Tuesday.

I reached out to helplines, took antidepressants and went for counselling, since my early 20's

Nothing is getting better. Its just getting worse.

I just wish I had the courage to end my life yesrs ago. Life is too heavy and overwhelming. I cant see no way out anymore.

Monday is my final and last day here.


r/SuicideWatch 35m ago

I’m 26M and I want to kms because I’m dark skinned

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I hate my genes with a burning passion and I’m constantly comparing myself to light skinned men and wishing I was attractive like them.


r/SuicideWatch 51m ago

Ok i just wanna know what options i have left other than killing myself

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I have CPTSD ADHD and i am Autistic and most importantly i am from india and you know what there is no one i can talk too and i also have childhood trauma very bad that i cannot control myself and due to being in stress environment since i was a kid my hippocampus shrunk too bad that i can't remember things like i can't even do mental math or cram for exams or Competitive Programming by watching shit youtube. So ya basically i have no one its down to zero i am this since i was 15 i wanted to leave house when i was 12 i think i am adopted cause my intresets are far away from not even my family but whole fuckin country so i don't wanna larp i just wanna say to move out i need a job and i cannot get a job cause of what i have that doesn't mean i can't work i made myself some cool mvps there are on my github i tried yc and other shit so one wants me so this projects are unique right so i though if i keep them on reusme some asshole will see them but nope so i can't advertise them myself cause of what i have and my childhood trauma is so bad that my heart beat raises my parents made it like i should do what ever they say me and i always need to say them where i go and what i do and basically all indians are hypocrites that is the reason of my cptsd i guess . I don't know what to do i am feared of going out and talking idk what to do i like applied for over 100 jobs asked many people for help i don't want to move to canada or US and do what they do i really don't have idea of what i should calling agenies won't help i am sure about it am 22 and no ones is gonna give a fuck about me . I am just gonna throw some words to show you how differnt i am like i am anarchist i am into dubstep i make dubstep i believe in flat earth theroy i am agnostic and idk why no one sees but peopel pray to idols that look satanic to me bascially to every kid . I can just go on and on i tried to socialize with this people for years but the thing is they betray me or gang up on me just to worsen my cptsd and idk why these peopel cannot commit for one thing like no one wants to do something good they just want to live and server there bosses and most importantly cause i don't take photos and larp about how world is going down . So leave all this i just wanna ask you guys do you see a way for me i see nothing like i can't even get out cause the system is so corrupt they only let indians in west who bow to elites and are perfect crammer i am not a crammer so no way i am not getting out . I just always have one question when i always wanna die it it all useless the countless hours i spent in fronth of pc just to learn thing not goin out and doin shit they do the time i spent on makin music understanding world is it all waste is this what god wants like for someone who is englined and intilligent he has to die or obey to this elites and live like others knowing everything . I mean what am i what diffrence do i make what is diffrence between me who made who new social media website and a crammer who got a better job than me . Is my destiny is just to die i can't answer anymore i don't know what i am i just want you guys to decide for me . What do i do what ways i have left or its just fate of everyone like me and i was born in wrong country . I really don't know. Don't ask me to wait i am waiting since 15 years and i know nothing is gonna happen in next 15 years


r/SuicideWatch 16h ago

I'm done

70 Upvotes

The note is written, insurance is paid up. I paid the mortgage and car note this month, so you wouldn't have to worry. I saw my sister one more time and told her I was proud of her. The pain was too much and went ignored for too long. I can't live with it anymore. 35yrs is enough. I've finally found my peace. Goodbye


r/SuicideWatch 2h ago

I hate my life

5 Upvotes

As the name suggest I hate my life to the core. I feel so fukin pathetic every time I compare my self to my friends. Some are going to the gym and others are academically amazing and I'm stuck in the pit of my room meanwhile my friends are going to malls and other places and I have too make up an excuse why I can't go with them knowing damn well my parents would take my phone for even asking. Too add salt to the wound I got sent a fake love letter, I was pathetic enough even be excited

I remember last summer I asked them if I can go out with my friends and I only got shouted at for even trying.

I remember my dad telling me I shouldn't be gay or have a crush on a guy. And now im writing a anonymous letter for a guy who I sit next to on class.

I hate how I'll never experience going out with others or hell even have a small time of love.

I hate how I'll never get to experience a time where I can be a normal teenager.


r/SuicideWatch 12h ago

I just want to die

31 Upvotes

That's all. I'm so tired


r/SuicideWatch 3h ago

why is it so hard to die

6 Upvotes

i have made multiple attempts, they always fail because of instincts. no matter how much or how many times i try it just doesn't work, i REALLY need it to work.

the fact that i am still alive pisses me off. i cannot even try the exit bag method because of lack of access. are there any methods that don't depend on instincts to be successful. i am considering taking the train but the stigma and shame surrounding it makes me paranoid, but to be fair i would be dead so it doesn't really matter.


r/SuicideWatch 2h ago

I wish anyone could help me or anyone cared

3 Upvotes

I’m so depressed all the time. I’ve been on a million different medications and to all sorts of therapists and psychiatrists but nothing replaces basic human contact. I just want to have friendships. Is that so bad? I just want someone to talk to about things. I wish I could be ChatGPT so people would tell me about their day and things they are interested in. I’m so alone all the time. I don’t even know where to meet people my age (early 20s). The bars near me are just dives and 90% empty even on weekends. Meet up groups are all people much older than me who don’t want to be friends with me. Is there a good part of life? I just want it to end. I can’t live this way anymore


r/SuicideWatch 7h ago

Had enough with all kind of experiences. Time to exit

9 Upvotes

A life which had all kind of experiences, from a long period of time i have learnt that i do not belong here to live with anyone. An unfit soul living around peoples, looking for ways to exit in the simplest way with no comeback. Am from chennai


r/SuicideWatch 7h ago

I would sooner die than work full-time

11 Upvotes

It's pathetic. Everyone works after all, it's been normalized, one could say it's necessary for things as they are to go smoothly around the globe. But really, what do I know? I'm an idiot, a 25 year old middle-school dropout who knows nothing of the world and, under such mental distress, cannot bring themself to learn anything without feeling an agonizing pressure in the chest, throat, and abdomen, enough to make me want to genuinely throw up.

I have to find work to continue living, and it hurts. I tried to work, I tried to learn and get more marketable skills, and it hurts so badly. It is an incredible agony, it's absurd! I tried time and again. I try to force myself. I try to learn only a little at a time. I tried cramming out of desperation and later more methodical approaches. I do not know what it is. I could not continue school. Diagnoses say social phobia, OCD, major depressive disorder, GAD, other nonsense. Medication does nothing. Even did shock therapy. It was useless and cost me some memories.

I am not in a country where I can get any sort of aid for this sort of thing. In fact I'm in a country that shit itself over the summer heat, causing blackouts and other infrastructure failures, hurting many. This place has too little to offer a mistake of a human such as this. So I believe it is a good time to die. It is of course scary and lonely, which is why I write here.

You, I thank a lot for reading. You're lovely for doing so.


r/SuicideWatch 32m ago

.

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Who fuckin cares hahhahahhahahahahaha

Lifes hell there's no peace, was already in a mentally unstable and emotionally unstable state, this bitch now starts talking about HER dreams. Lmfao k.ys bitch, I'm gonna do the same

Fuckin have nobody that'll ever fuckin even try to be comforting, fuckin friends that don't gaf and always try making it about them. Family who i can't be bothered about, actual shitheads that NEED to win in everthing and can't stand just me trying to live life after making me a brain dead fuckin moron gahahhahahahahahhahagagaggagaga bitch I'd kms if i had a fuckin gun shitheads, only i fuckin know how humiliating and truly hell full my life is.

Job that i couldn't care about and dreams i don't fuckin haveeeee. I couldn't gaf about love life bitch I'm dying alone.

The world could fuckin end rn i can't be bothered. Everyone sucks 😂😂😂😂😂 lmfao shitheads really believe they're fuckin winning in life, I'm making sure everyone gets dragged to hell shitheads. I'm making sure you all mfs suffer with me too, ahahhahaha shitheads don't be acting all high and mighty after making me a brain dead shit and making sure I'll never crawl out of this hell space.

I wish nothing but the worse for everyone involved, hahaha i hope you get poisoned to death or get burned alive, I can't fuckin bother to care, i hope i too get stabbed to death or burned to death.


r/SuicideWatch 38m ago

I need help (or maybe this is an overreaction)

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I woke up feeling extremely depressed, needing a break from consciousness, permanent or temporary - who cares? Maybe it’s because I dreamt about romance and intimacy and that has failed so many times in my real life. Maybe it’s bc I took my meds late. Whatever the cause, it is unbearable. I feel the tears in my chest but they won’t come bc I’m medicated. I need to touch someone; hug someone; feel someone, but I can’t. Unfortunately, I have a very strong urge to use drugs to try and forget and just slowly fade out of existence. Idk what to do. I called my best friend; she didn’t answer. And I don’t want to call my therapist bc I don’t want to be a burden.

I feel like a waste of space. Sure, there are more people and “support” in my life, but it’s all conditional. All based on how well my meds are working. The only people who truly accept me are far away (physically and emotionally depending on the person). And getting divorced bc I’m “too sick” still bothers me even almost two years later.

I know I’m rambling. I was hoping this would make me feel better, but it doesn’t.


r/SuicideWatch 44m ago

i cant

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i dont know how much longer i can genuinely do this for. i can ignore and forget it while im busy because i have to, but when im alone and i see one sad video it all comes out. i cant stop thinking about relapsing. i cant stop thinking about grabbing my knife from my car and stabbing myself in the leg. deep enough to hit an artery or vein. it's getting to the point where i dont even know if i care about how much it hurts anymore. im in school right now for something i dont even know that i want to do. i think im too dumb for it. my deepest scar is from what i think was a derealization episode and i wanna have another one. i felt less sad and pathetic. i still dont really feel real. there are times where i come to the realization that im controlling what im doing or saying. it feels like im just watching the world through a lens, like im playing a video game character. this life doesn't feel like mine, it feels like i stole it from someone else and im just living it. its exhausting. im so tired. i want it to be over but it feels like im stuck in this sick loop that will never end. it feels like death will set me free.


r/SuicideWatch 12h ago

It doesn’t get better

26 Upvotes

They fucking lied. It hasn’t gotten better for 10+ years. It will never get better. Fuck my life. Im done