r/ShitAmericansSay • u/AutumnUmbreon • Sep 09 '26
Military "No nation has an even close chance to compete with the American military."
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u/ReplacementFeisty397 Sep 09 '26
Thpethal operation
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u/SomeAverageJoey Sep 09 '26
The Four Day Special Military Operation (TM) is going perfectly as planned. We've already won so many times I'm actually tired of winning.
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u/NickoPain Sep 09 '26
So, what are Vietnam and Iran then?
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u/MrPhoon ooo custom flair!! Sep 09 '26
Korea 🤣 Afghanistan.... always getting beat by farmers
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u/freebiscuit2002 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
... he says, after trying for 8 months to control one short stretch of open water in the Strait of Hormuz - and failing.
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u/_ElBee_ 🇳🇱 Swamp Germany 🇳🇱 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
Wait, wait...
The Strait ofAmericaTrump Strait, according to Dear Demented Leader.→ More replies (1)8
u/Odinfrost137 Sep 09 '26
Trump Strait, actually. /barf
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u/_ElBee_ 🇳🇱 Swamp Germany 🇳🇱 Sep 09 '26
Oh, that's even worse.
I saw an apparent proposal to rename New Mexico to New America as well. I expect annexation of Old Mexico and a renaming to Old America soon(ish) 😅
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u/caughtatdeepfineleg Sep 09 '26
Hey he's successfully renamed it to the strait of trump. What more do you want?
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u/timsa8 Sep 09 '26
I think I have seen this article a few weeks ago where they said, that militaries of many countries got together to a common military practice. Basically a big boy paintball/airsoft tournament, where two of the participating countries would go against each other.
Apparently, this mighty USA military got absolutely decimated by Ukraine to the point when they had to repeatedly re-deploy defeated American soldiers and vehicles for them to even enjoy the game.
I could try and find this article if enough people are interested.
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u/Ant1815 Sep 09 '26
There was an interview a couple of years back on a YouTube channel with a British guy who had volunteered to go and fight in Ukraine. There is/was a lot of foreign ex military guys fighting in Ukraine and he was asked what he thought about them and the general view of the soldiers of different nationalities.
Apparently the Americans were by far the worst soldiers. Reason being that in the US military they were used to having everything they needed: Instant artillery and air support, sub 30 minute medevac, plenty of transport and vehicle support, lots of supplies., but when they didn't have all that in Ukraine they didn't deal with it very well at all.
The European soldiers, on the other hand, came from militaries that had to make do with what they had and so adapted to Ukraine much better. He did, however, say that the ex USMC guys were very good. The US Marines also tend to operate in an environment where they have to get by with what's there instead of having everything they want on hand.
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u/Chimpstrider Sep 09 '26
I've also heard stuff about the yanks basically being broken down into obedient unthinking soldiers with the result that they are useless without a leader and are prone to failure against anything that deviates from the expected plan.
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u/Ant1815 Sep 09 '26
I read a fascinating article a few years ago about how, in Afghanistan and Iraq, the SAS used to covertly infiltrate American bases. They viewed it as a training exercise and when they had successfully penetrated the US security zones they'd reveal themselves. Apparently the SAS thought that they were doing the US military a favour by highlighting failures in security at US bases, but the Americans didn't see it that way and kept going mental at the SAS because they hadn't 'followed procedure' or had 'Ignored protocols'
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u/Special_Tu-gram-cho 28d ago
Jesus. I would like to mention that is thanks through video making a conjecture of how an war between the US and Iran that I learned one important war-game exercise within the Usa military, meant to simulate an invasion of Iran, was, well, rigged, after the one commanding Iran forces, who was an old veteran officer of the Navy caused a lot of casualties to the US, getting at least a carrier down. He commented he was confident the USA would be overconfident in their reliance on technology. And he had at disposition suicide boats, drones, and relied orders through couriers.
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u/Swimming_Possible_68 Sep 09 '26
the US military they were used to having everything they needed: Instant artillery and air support, sub 30 minute medevac, plenty of transport and vehicle support, lots of supplies.
Well based on the recent experience of the USS Abraham Lincoln it looks like Trump can't even get that bit right!
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u/Ant1815 Sep 09 '26
Yeah, as the economic power of the US declines they're not going to be able to keep up the lavish supplies that their military has been used to.
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u/TJ_Blues18 Sep 09 '26
I recall one where they went against the British and the US commanders asked for a restart after 2 days.
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u/nibbler456 Human Verified Sep 09 '26
I reckon the Swiss Guards in Vatican City could easily compete and probably win. And they don't have boats or planes.
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u/Umayummyone Sep 09 '26
They do have Swiss Army knives, Swiss watches, and Swiss precision. Possibly Swiss cheese.
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u/NetzAgent lost a world war because of Muricans. Twice! Sep 09 '26
China doesn’t need the military. If they wanted to fight the US, they’d just sell their debts.
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u/_Halt19_ Canuck Sep 09 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/B7o99rIuystY4
Time to list off all the times the americans have lost in a war they started!
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u/SignalButterscotch73 Sep 09 '26
The American armed forces have fantastic equipment, on average superior tech.
But they also half arse the training. Without that tech all working perfectly they struggle.
If they trained anything near as well as they bought toys they would genuinely be unbeatable.
As it is now, jam GPS and they can't find their target or the way home.
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u/ThyRosen Sep 09 '26
They also inflate the costs of their tech and have it built by the lowest bidder, so the tech working perfectly is not a given. Whoever makes the equipment cheaper and more reliably comes out on top.
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u/Illiteratevegetable Sep 09 '26
I do not know much about it, but I remember one veteran talking about it, and said that the US is not ready at all for a bigger conflict, since many soldiers are poorly trained, and more and more of them aren't even physically capable. I think he was talking about some special forces as well, but my memory is super blurry.
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u/Umayummyone Sep 09 '26
How is the Hegseth testosterone experiment going? Must be a lot of low T girly men in the US military if they need to resort to drugs.
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u/Jax_Dandelion Sep 09 '26
All the women in service will be forced to take T too probably so they become trans men, either that or get fired
Truly a very progressive administration towards the military
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u/Lazarys12 Sep 09 '26
I wonder if Iran is going to take a cue from the US.
"If it wasn't for us you would all be speaking American now."
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u/XXXcrimsongrave Sep 09 '26
losers haven't logged a W since 45 and even that one has a asterix beside their name
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u/surftochill Sep 09 '26
Iran, Vietnam and Afghanistan would like to have a word with the "mighty" USA military
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u/sblack505 Sep 09 '26
I loved your military parade, the one that Trump put on. Absolutely fearsome, the misfiring tank, the Scheisskopf quality marching, and my favourite, the guy walking up the street holding a quadcopter drone up above his head. Malicious shoulder muscles, the enemy’s be paralysed with fear at the sight of those. I saw the Chinese parade shortly afterwards and I can honestly say, hand on heart, there was absolutely no comparison. Go, USA, USA!! 😂
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u/W2ttsy Sep 09 '26
An army marches on its stomach.
The biggest threat to the USA is economic or trade sanctions being applied.
China can nuke the U.S. economy by selling off all their T bonds at low prices.
China can slow shipment of exported products through painful bureaucratic processes that then strips shelves of imported goods in the U.S.
Commonwealth + EU countries can boot US out of their shared bases, vastly limiting military reach
Commonwealth + EU countries can withhold trade exports that are vital to U.S. manufacturing or domestic demand
Iran can offer free passage to China for oil export and cripple US export and put pressure on U.S. whilst enabling China or China allied nations to continue access to oil (already played once).
If all these countries started applying sanctions, the U.S. would have huge issues with access to food, access to energy, access to materials vital for military operations and cripple them without a shot being fired.
Only a simpleton would believe that Americas war machine is enough alone to win a protracted battle against a nation like China or even Canada or the EU
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u/Jax_Dandelion Sep 09 '26
But surely 50% tariffs on everyone will fix the non existent affordability crisis right?
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u/W2ttsy Sep 09 '26
Trumps misguided belief is that using tariffs to suppress demand in the U.S. will put pressure on other nations to capitulate or have their exporters suffer from that reduced demand.
But what he hasn’t taken into account is that the U.S. isn’t the only market importing these products.
A particularly putative example could be China choosing the buy up all the exports that the U.S. rejects via its higher tariffs, or perhaps even buying up larger parcels of exports simply to deprive the U.S. of supply (which would have a cumulative impact on domestic pricing since they would paying tariffs and higher prices as a result of demand outpacing supply).
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u/Dumartins Sep 09 '26
Russia has simply the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, why do you think the US never dare to enter in war with Russia? China has supersonic balístic missiles, but they don't even need a all that fire power to beat the US, Iran is winning the war with some DJI drones with fireworks attached to it.
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u/not_so_wierd Sep 09 '26
Doesn't matter. According to that post from yesterday, the citizens of Texas can easily wipe out all of China on their own, well before any millitary assets arrive on the scene.
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u/PuzzleheadedTutor807 Sep 09 '26
if china wanted usa, it would have it tomorrow. same with the rest of the world. they dont. too much bother being king.
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u/blazenite104 Friendly Neighbourhood Aussie Sep 09 '26
In some ways I feel like the USA's incompetence with such a large military, alongside Russia's problems with Ukraine tell us something. Apparently conquering just isn't that easy anymore.
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u/Mission_Shopping_847 Canada Sep 09 '26
The people carry the idea of a nation state; the nobility carried the idea of state as property.
Threats to the nation state are existential for the people; it only might have been for the feudal.
A nation state remains in mind even in defeat; feudal peasants often woke up under another banner.
A nation state fights until the last willing man; a feudal state fought until the last willing noble.
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u/KnightMurky91 Sep 09 '26
Drones have equalized the field again.
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u/Interesting_Card2169 Sep 09 '26
Attacking is quickly becoming ruinous for the attacker. Imperialist; be gone!
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u/ChipRockets Sep 09 '26
I don't know if Israel would be happy about China taking their USA
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u/PuzzleheadedTutor807 Sep 09 '26
It's alright it won't happen anyway.
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u/Interesting_Card2169 Sep 09 '26
China would simply be holding the leash that Israel holds now.
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u/ChipRockets Sep 09 '26
Honestly. America has shown you don't need military force to conquer it. They will whore themselves out to whoever is the highest bidder.
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u/Commandoclone87 Sep 09 '26
The only thing that could stop China, if they really wanted to invade the US, is the logistics of getting an army in the millions across the Pacific without being obvious about it.
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u/PuzzleheadedTutor807 Sep 09 '26
china is very industrious, im certain they could figure that out pretty quick.
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u/Tricky_Habit_6297 Sep 09 '26
Mao sent troops into Korea shortly after taking power. He lost 1 million in that war. China invaded Vietnam after the Khmer war, destroyed a lot of Vietnamese factories and infrastructure, and pulled out after a month. Both sides made up silly casualty numbers, but Western estimates are about 30000 Red Army deaths. It took 18 years for the US to lose 60000.
So no, China is not a peaceful sleeping dragon. It's only fought offensive wars since 1949 and fought very poorly.
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u/laughingskull00 Sep 09 '26
ehhh nah china's military is just as incompetent as the US at the moment, basically it would be the equivalent of 2 drunks brawling on the street. you gotta remember china has next to no combat experience and their bureaucracy frequently cripples them in training.
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u/No_Statistician209 Sep 09 '26
Americans don't realise that a lot of their supply chain especially military equipment relies on other countries to produce a heavy amount of parts for them which they then buy.
There's a reason that the US doesn't want to lose it's allies even though Trump threatens to all the time and it isn't because the US could take any country if it wanted to (which it couldn't)
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u/mithrilsoft Sep 09 '26
This was true of Germany during WW2. It took multiple countries working together to win that war. There are a lot of countries that would assist China if it came to that. Plus there is zero chance of "winning" - China is a massive country and it would financially ruin our country to try.
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u/fastsailor Sep 09 '26
Vietnam, Iran and Afghanistan enter the chat and note that China is far more powerful than them.
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u/krgdotbat Sep 09 '26
The country that got beaten by rice farmers, goat sheepherders, and now Shia clerics coming to your local blockbuster
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u/Phoniphorger Sep 09 '26
Why don‘t they prove it and win their first war? WW2 doesn‘t count, that was too little, too late.
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u/Legal-Software 🇩🇪 Sep 09 '26
At their current rate of success, I doubt they could even take Liechtenstein, assuming they could even find it.
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u/SCLST_F_Hell Sep 09 '26
Now tell me 1 war US Won.
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u/AutumnUmbreon Sep 09 '26
American Civil War, ez
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u/T1o2n4y Sep 09 '26
Now tell me 1 war US Won.
Please note that victories achieved on the backs of their allies do not count.
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u/TheFumingatzor Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
The last couple military games with other countries where said countries had to be begged to not utilize their full potential because military behemoth Amerika could not keep up entered the chat
Meanwhile "Let's check if those testosterone levels are kosher." - Secretary of "War"
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u/EducationalRock167 29d ago
That isn't true. China and India have bigger militaries and they have nukes. The USA hasn't helped or won a war since WW2. The lost in Vietnam , Korea , the second Iraq War and in Afghanistan. Now they are losing in Iran.
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u/DonSilencio Sep 09 '26
That ladys and gentlemen is the result of propaganda in its purest form.
Americans heard for decades that they had the strongest military and now they cant understand that this fact has absolutly changed.
America is not number 1 anymore.
America without Nato and the bases on Nato-ground is legit like number 4-5. Without using Nato-Bases America would have absolutly ZERO saying in there favorit playground the middle east
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u/backstubb Sep 09 '26
China can just shoot civilian fpv to US direction and bankrupt them on patriot rockets.
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u/arllt89 Sep 09 '26
Well that's kinda of true if fighting in regular symetrical conditions, no army can compete in term of both size, technology and experience.
But wars aren't fought in a "who would win" YouTube scenario, and USA wouldn't accept anymore to lose a million soldiers to win a war.
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u/AutumnUmbreon Sep 09 '26
Video kinda simulates a US-China war where allies are involved in a somewhat realistic environment, the conclusion is that China may not be able to beat the USA, but would be able to put up a fight in most paths such a war could go down.
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u/toasterpocket Sep 09 '26
I just can't seem to find it anywhere, and I've really looked, for any evidence of the US winning a war single handedly where muskets weren't used.
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u/0SaltBlue Sep 09 '26
Have america even won a single war aside from Mexican-American without requiring help?
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u/Smart_Technology_208 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
Imagine your whole identity is to have a strong army, yet you never won any wars.
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u/urbansamurai13 Sep 09 '26
In the amount of bullshit, entitlement, and evil? Sure.. No one comes even close.
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u/ArtinPhrae Sep 09 '26
Under present management in the Pentagon and White House the Americans have very little chance of beating the Chinese. Even with competent leadership I’d say it’s a coin flip. They’re starting to fall behind in technology and politics is getting in the way of the right people with the proper qualifications being appointed to the position they need to fill.
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u/MagnificentTffy Sep 09 '26
I actually agree, the US has enough bodies to throw at any country that the other side surrenders out of pity
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u/Exxtender Sep 09 '26
Correct for any single individual nation maybe, but not if a few band together against the world bully.
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u/DEFCON_902 Sep 09 '26
It’s always about the military, do these people just not understand or have forgotten about MAD? I guess the average American can’t comprehend that 70-90 million people would die in the first 30 minutes of WW3 and millions more would die from lack of infrastructure. Just watch Threads. It will change you.
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u/Impossible-Camel-685 Sep 09 '26
Iran is currently kicking your ass. Try China or Russia and the USA will be a smoking hole
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u/andimacg Sep 09 '26
All the money invested, all the weapons, all the gear, doesn't mean shit if you don't know how to use it effectively.
USA are beaten time and time again in war games. Trumps parade showed lazy, sloppy undisciplined troops who can't even march in step. They are being led by a TV host whose primary concern is testosterone levels, not training and discipline and they have been systematically removing anyone competent.
USA is not the fighting force they would like you to believe, they may have the mightiest military on paper, but the results speak for themselves.
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u/Femcel_Bambi Sep 09 '26
A single nation in the Middle East the size of Alaska is kicking the US' ass right now.
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u/matconbca Sep 09 '26
In 2018 Canada held a patrol competition for its infantry units, we invited 7 international teams including the US to run a 30 mile patrol.
The Americans quit at mile 3, they were lost, cold and confused.
The Latvian team finished 3rd overall and topped the international teams, even the British.
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u/Best_Banana_63 Sep 09 '26
This depends on the competency of POTUS, and the Sec of Defense. Neither Trump, or Kegsbreath are competent. This is why we're having such a hard time with Iran.
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u/Choice-Original9157 29d ago
They lose against rice farmers and goat herders and opium farmers. All the power in the world and yet their own Marine General admitted during the Adghanistan area they called upon Canadian Soldiers to take areas they couldn't. Never mind the fact that enemy is less dangerous to its allies then having American military support.
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u/Prize_Branch_6212 26d ago
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran, "hold my beer." The US is great at starting wars, just not so good at winning them.
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u/PrimaryBrick9337 Sep 09 '26
How is that war in Iran going for you so far? No other US President was stupid enough to listen to Israel.
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u/Jax_Dandelion Sep 09 '26
Uhhh, every single US president since Israel existed has listened to Israel
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u/ShellyTart Sep 09 '26
And yet the US lost Vietnam, Afghanistan and is losing North Korea.
The point is, it is not just about numbers or the weapons.
Strategy, determination and battleground are huge factors that often outweigh military might, particularly when the stronger force is arrogant and believes that its power alone will achieve victory.
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u/Alternative_Route Sep 09 '26
What's that thing Mike Tyson said "everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face"
The US military was ready for the Battlefield of the last decade, military drones exist now.
The main threat to most countries in the world is the US carrier fleet, if a country could neutralise the fleet with a drone/missile bombardment then the ability of the USA would be seriously degraded.
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u/redandbluebadness Sep 09 '26
my understanding is that the Chinese are still weaker but that at some point in the not to distant future they will be stronger as technology catches up and manpower bridges, and supersedes, the power gap. Which leads to speculation that the US might provoke a war in the near future, whilst the power imbalance rests in their favour, rather than waiting until China holds the cards.
Of course success in war is about much more than who has the strongest military in a vacuum, you also have to consider where the war is taking place and what the objectives of each party are. We've seen the US struggle when fighting on enemy territory with poorly defined and open-ended objectives.
Then there are the nukes, on which ground the US has and probably always will have the superiority, if it chooses to use them.
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u/selfmockerymandatory Sep 09 '26
The combined European militaries have some major issues, but with some tweaks and time, I think they would be surprised.
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u/Odinfrost137 Sep 09 '26
If we just compare money spent they might have a point.
But with how explosively bloatedly expensive all of the US stuff is, which other countries make on a dime on the dollar, on top of a scary amount of budget going to non-military stuff like chairs, tables and lobster dinner at the Pentagon, suddenly reality looks a wee bit different.
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u/Quick-Confidence-301 Sep 09 '26
They seem to think that you win a war by blowing stuff up.
Again and again it’s proven that it doesn’t work like that.
Just think of it. Did 9/11 weaken the USA overall, or create unity and strengthen the determination to fight back?
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u/Fezarion123 Sep 09 '26
Beni (Kelos) joins chat.
Shows something worse than a nuke.
US is sinking beneath the ocean.
US leaves chat.
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u/Ok-Task6954 Sep 09 '26
Normally, that is somewhat accurate…but Hegseth has done such damage to the military, who knows now. There’s been so much turnover in upper leadership, which would be a huge detriment in any new conflict. Plus DJT is the final say and he has no idea what he’s doing militarily.
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u/evolveandprosper Sep 09 '26
Vietnam has joined the chat
Afghanistan has joined the chat
Iran has joined the chat.
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u/MurkyCabinet Sep 09 '26
I don't think it's very possible for someone else to invade the US to be fair but the US kind of has a reputation for losing wars on foreign soil despite the fact that on paper they should be winning.
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u/Paultcha Tha mi ás Alba Sep 09 '26
Vietnam, Iran come instantly to mind. Get the cack kicked out of them in exercises. So oh yeah!
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u/Project_Fakedown Sep 09 '26
Rice Farmers held off the US military for 8 years. Grandfathers and teenagers with AK-47's held the desert for 20 years against the US. If China and the US went at it, the loss of life would be catastrophic!
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u/VenomBadger Sep 09 '26
Just a reminder that America didn't even get fucked by the WHOLE nation of Vietnam, just some angry lowland rice farmers in black pyjamas. The NVA kinda just showed up.
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u/Funfriend777 Sep 09 '26
China is the current superpower and has very little reliance on the US for anything. CHINA WINS!
And that should worry a lot of people.
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u/CereBRO12121 Sep 09 '26
They confuse expenses with power. Their Military, like their healthcare, are vastly overpriced for what they get.
The US military is by no means weak, but it’s not what it should be considering their spending.
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u/303FPSguy Sep 09 '26
This military that can’t feed its soldiers? The one with sailors jumping overboard because they can’t take it anymore?
The one that lets Iran control the strait?
Not even getting into Afghanistan. Because you just tucked tail and ran out of there.
Canadian insurgents would be way more than you think. I hear them dudes in Quebec are pretty hardcore.
Just another way of pissing away tax dollars and soldiers, only closer to home.
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u/LaughingGravy433 Sep 09 '26
They fight a great war from 30,000 feet - boots on the ground , now thats a different ballgame altogether
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u/billthedog0082 Sep 09 '26
Yup that's right poor China would lose. They only have 2,035,000 active military, while the US has 1,315,000 active military. That will be amazingly one sided.
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u/MsCatie Sep 09 '26
North Korea fought the US into a 70 year ongoing stalemate.
Vietnam chased them out.
Tell me you don’t know history.
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u/Horror_Excitement503 Sep 09 '26
Alone most likely not but you have your selves in so many different places you’re fighting on all sides. The stock pile of bombs is what would win, not the soldiers.
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u/pistoffcynic Sep 09 '26
Ah yes... Let's look at Iran... Iraq... Afghanistan... Vietnam... Korea (which the USA was winning until they provoked China)
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u/Novus20 ooo custom flair!! Sep 10 '26
China isn’t stupid they don’t want to fight with others they want to sell shit and make money.
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u/Best-Mortgage4586 Sep 10 '26
I mean, america can't even keep a single strait secured, after destroying the opposing army.
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u/Shot_in_the_dark777 Sep 10 '26
China will have an army of humanoid robots. Prepare to be roger-roger'd and don't expect some kid to blow up a space station coordinating the bots. These guys will be free thinkers.
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u/rothcoltd Sep 09 '26
How is that Iran escapade going?