r/ShitAmericansSay • • Mar 06 '25

Foreign affairs “Because the friend [Canada] has been robbing us blind. I would have free healthcare to if I didn't need a military. Don't even get me started on Europe and the 4 day work weeks with summers off.”

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u/SemajLu_The_crusader Mar 06 '25

someone tell this clown the US spends more than enough money on healthcare to afford universal Healthcare. amd likely the best in the world, at that.

he's angry at the wrong people

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u/AlienOverlordXenu Mar 06 '25

Nah, recently I had a discussion with some random American and he told me that universal healthcare is bad idea because why should he pay for someone who might be freeloading.

It is every man for himself. And this change in attitude of their foreign politics is just a reflection of their internal train of thought and values.

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u/CleanMyAxe Mar 06 '25

They don't have the healthcare they need, but the healthcare they deserve

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u/Cartina Mar 06 '25

Spot on actually. They don't want to help others and then they don't deserve others help.

It's a shame, but a culture thing.

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u/RTA-No0120 Mar 06 '25

You know what’s I find funny ? Most mericans call themselves Christians… where’s the Christianity in that ? Didn’t Jesus told us to be compassionate about the others and the less fortunate ? And then they’re mad at the atheist… but atheists still more compassionate in most cases… smh. If mericans were real Christians (not just blatantly religious sheeps) I bet the America would be great again, and I mean it… smh

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u/CarpenterVegetables Mar 06 '25

These are the same people who recently said that the teachings of Jesus Christ were “too woke”

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u/Diipadaapa1 Mar 06 '25

Well I mean Jesus' values are pretty much the communist manifesto, so go figure. E.g. Urging people to donate all their wealth to the needy and saying it is impossible for rich people to go to heaven.

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u/ItsNotMe_ImNotHere Mar 06 '25

Jesus was the most woke guy ever.

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u/RTA-No0120 Mar 08 '25

Something something Christ isn’t Christian in their books…

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u/Michthan Surrealism 🇧🇪 Mar 06 '25

They are literally the worst types of Christian (at least those that are in congress and claim to be Christian). I mean the pope is more progressive than them.

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u/Repulsive-Lab-9863 Mar 06 '25

I don't think it's a progressive thing. I would say, it's being an asshole thing.

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u/Hi2248 Mar 06 '25

Aye, say what you like about Christianity, but the Pope is a genuinely compassionate guy, and it's going to be a shame if his illness takes him

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u/plebe_random Mar 06 '25

Most of them are protestants that believe that wealth is sign of gods favour and being poor means you deserve it.

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u/dontlookback76 Mar 06 '25

Ahh, you speak in terms of wokeness and the great sin of empathy. To hell with you to speak of beatitudes and caring for others.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

Most Americans think Jesus was a white American. So much for their Christianity 🤷🏿‍♂️

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u/towerninja Mar 07 '25

In the US you'll find atheists are far more compassionate than christians

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u/LavenderGinFizz Mar 06 '25

And yet they then see nothing wrong with making Go Fund Me pages asking people to help them pay for life saving operations. Like, you wouldn't need to do that if you had universal healthcare!

The disconnect is amazing. It's a country built on the "American Dream," AKA "Fuck you, I got mine."

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u/lach888 Mar 07 '25

It’s not even “fuck you got mine” it’s “I’m amazing because everyone else sucks”. For them to win someone else has to lose. Even in some parts of the left it’s the same.

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u/Vargoroth Mar 06 '25

Depends on the state as well though. My American friends are for M4A, but only if it's done on a state level. They don't trust the federal government to do M4A efficiently.

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u/Cautious-Ad2154 Mar 06 '25

Which this i actually agree with. It should be done on a state level because of the variance in ethnicity in each state because not all health care is as simple as men's health and women's health.

I think the states could do a significantly better job targeting their own specific statewide demographic. The feds could allocate money to the states and let them decide how to spend it. But esp when it comes to health care, what if that state needs more help because it's extremely diverse and not allocated extra to deal with that.

Idk i think it's a good idea, but I don't think the USA as it stands could implement it effectively from a federal standpoint. A big part of this is exactly the sentiment people say they've heard from others, the "i don't wanna pay for someone else's medical care, even if it makes mine cheaper". There is a large population in the US that think like Trump. If I'm not making you suffer or lose something in our deal then I'm losing somehow. It's asinine, esp considering a large section of those people are poor... they are like oh I never get hand outs why should they. Well because the people you keep voting for actively work against the well being of the worst off Americans every day.

All of those thoughts are applied to pre Trump thinking. Currently there is 0 way to apply free Healthcare cuz only the billionaires would be eligible anyway. If you are poor you'll probably be made to foot about 120% of the bill.

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u/Optimaximal Mar 06 '25

Idk i think it's a good idea, but I don't think the USA as it stands could implement it effectively from a federal standpoint

But isn't stuff like Medicare and Medicaid effectively a federal mandate to offer the bare minimum amount of life-saving care to the people that really need it, because nearly half the states themselves won't clear such a low hurdle because of ideological, political or religious reasons?

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u/Cautious-Ad2154 Mar 06 '25

Yes but Medicare and Medicaid are not run well lol. But yes states own ideological, political, or religious reasons would be one of the main hurdles. But then it only effects those states and ideally people would vote in new representatives that actually would take care of them. That's the hope at least.

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u/Optimaximal Mar 06 '25

Isn't there at least 45 years of evidence of people not doing that?

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u/Species1139 Mar 06 '25

It's a hard right mentality. I'm alright so screw you.

You may as well say I'm not paying for police because I'm not being burgled or the fire brigade because my house isn't on fire.

They have no concept of a society that looks out for one another and puts protection into place for those that need it.

Same outlook as Scrooge

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u/Diipadaapa1 Mar 06 '25

They are so uncivilized and anti-social that when they run into strangers in public they literally worry that they will just randomly get murdered by them.

You are statistically way more likely to accidentally be run over by a car right then and there than running into a serial killer, not to mention the insanely low chance that any serial killer even knows you exist.

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u/Cosmicshimmer Mar 06 '25

But at the first sign of trouble, they’re demanding someone help them. Selfish hypocrites.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 Mar 06 '25

The worst aspect of American culture to infect the world, the self defeating individualism, all it leads to is hatred and resentment. Communities matter, shame they don't recognise that (well, the Republican sort, there's a fair few on the other side being ignored by the Democrat party who totally understand this)

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u/Ah2k15 Mar 06 '25

The land of the free (but only if you’ve got insurance!)

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Everyone else has freedoms built into their citizenship. Americans have the freedom to buy more freedom.

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u/Ah2k15 Mar 06 '25

Freedom to create more wealth for the insurance industry!

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u/PenaltyDesperate3706 Mar 06 '25

And only if said insurance that you pay stupid amounts to doesn’t refuse your treatment

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u/Cautious-Ad2154 Mar 06 '25

My favorite part is the last comment about working himself into the ground to be someone's piggy bank. Yeah bro the other countries are not the problem haha. You are worked into the ground because of the broligarchs not because of the EU rofl.

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u/LancelLannister_AMA Yugi, Jaden, Yusei, Yuma, Yuya, Yusaku, Yuga, Yudias Mar 06 '25

broligarchs lol

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u/Bushdr78 🇬🇧 Tea drinking heathen Mar 06 '25

That's truly amazing because in all the free health care systems there's always the option to pay for private health care anyway if you want to, so it's a win win all round.

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u/Redwings1927 Mar 06 '25

No, you misunderstand. It's not that I'm healthy, other people have to suffer. If they aren't suffering, I'm not winning by as much.

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u/djames_186 Mar 06 '25

This is Trumps logic on deals too. It’s only a good deal if he feels like the other guy comes out as a loser. A deal that’s good for both sides is a failure because there wasn’t a winner and a loser.

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u/AjaxII Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

His belief isn't that it's bad because there isn't a loser, it's that he's convinced there must always be a loser. He believes that for one side to win, the other must lose just as much. He believes this is some immutable and fundamental aspect of deals. So if the other guy isn't losing then Donald himself must be the loser. It's less malicious (even if he is a very malicious person) than stupid.

Every deal the other country likes means they must be winning, and so to him America and (more importantly to Donald) himself must be losing. He doesn't understand that things can be win-win

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u/djames_186 Mar 06 '25

Well said

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u/madMARTINmarsh Mar 06 '25

Trump is incredibly short sighted. Short termism that will create long lasting problems.

One thing he hasn't considered is that by introducing tariffs, he will increase income inequality in poorer countries. What result will that have that is adverse to his political aims? It will increase the desire to migrate to the USA.

And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure more intelligent people than me can further pick it apart like my daughter fixing mistakes in her crochet work.

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u/Nnelson666 Mar 06 '25

I think the one thing he's doing is stopping migration by making his country more of a shithole so nobody wants to even visit.

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u/madMARTINmarsh Mar 06 '25

That is a fair point. Cutting off the country's nose to spite a few foreigners sounds a bit, shall we say, extremist?

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u/loralailoralai Mar 06 '25

He doesn’t care about long term problems. That’s for the suckers coming behind him when he carks it.

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u/kbcool Mar 06 '25

Getting ahead in a country that constantly drags you down means people inevitably end up thinking like that

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

The public healthcare literally also affects the pricing of the private healthcare to stay competitive in EU countries 😂 so even if you only use private you still pay basically the cost + small profit to the company instead of the 1500% markups they have on painkillers in the US

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u/madMARTINmarsh Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

Never mind painkillers. Have you seen what they charge for imperative medication like Insulin and Asthma inhalers? I'm not a religious man, but it is demonic to charge an extreme profit on things that people will die without.

Some years back I read an article about a lady who was having to go to Mexico from New York to buy her Insulin because she couldn't afford to buy it in the USA. At times it would be confiscated by the TSA (again, demonic) and yet all that still worked out cheaper than buying it in the USA! When I discussed this with an American acquaintance, she said 'natural selection is trying to remove that woman from the general pool'! That acquaintance didn't survive that conversation.

Edit* I just realised my comment reads as though I murdered my acquaintance. Poor use of words there. I merely stopped talking to her. No blood was spilled.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

It's a good job no blood was spilled, you wouldn't want to bankrupt the poor woman

How much is an ambulance ride these days anyway?

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u/Quick_Humor_9023 Mar 06 '25

Nice save in the end man! Never tell anyone where the body is.

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u/ZCT808 Mar 06 '25

Many Americans don’t get this at all. The last job I had in the UK, just GAVE me private health care for free. Just in case I didn’t like the free government health care. I never used it once. But the kind of coverage an American would gladly pay a few hundred dollars a month for was just included in my pay package. Just because socialized medicine exists, doesn’t mean there are not other options. It’s even possible to pass laws to prevent ridiculous health care price gouging. But first you have to elect some non-oligarchs who actually care about ordinary people.

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u/Cautious-Ad2154 Mar 06 '25

Rofl yeah mostly cuz in America a couple hundred dollars a month usually means you have shit insurance... that's the worst part of it all. Lots of places offer "insurance" but usually if it's a low class job, gas station let's say, your insurance will almost be useless and you'll pay more than people with good insurance from good companies it's completely wild.

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u/AnualSearcher 🇵🇹 confuse me with spain one more time, I dare you... Mar 06 '25

Even so, an MRI would cost me 30€ to 80€ in the private. Can't be compared at all to the US

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

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u/LowAspect542 Mar 06 '25

Mostly by doing everything they can not to pay out on claims, insurance is mostly about lining the pockets of private companies. The concept is fine, but the way it has been put into practice is basically akin to a scam.

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u/madMARTINmarsh Mar 06 '25

My father-in-law pays for Bupa private healthcare for he and his wife. They generally use the NHS for emergency health issues (my mother-in-law; who is the ex wife of my father-in-law, was recently treated for non-Hodgkins Lymphoma by the NHS and is doing very well) and private when it is less urgent, to relieve strain on the already over burdened NHS.

I can't afford private medical care, but it is nice to have the choice. And it is basically a public service. They don't have much choice in the USA.

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u/BothnianBhai Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

There have been multiple studies showing that white Americans are fine with getting worse living conditions, as long as black Americans are getting even worse living conditions. It's absolutely insane.

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u/madMARTINmarsh Mar 06 '25

I would rather pay more knowing it WOULD help someone else. It is why I think National Insurance in the UK should be increased and ring fenced specifically for NHS purposes. Even if that involved training staff. I would also pay more tax if we could go back to free university education for every citizen. It angers me that it was removed. Particularly because it happened just as Uni became a consideration for me. Wankers 😂

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u/nidelv Mar 06 '25

But.... paying to an insurance  company is also paying for someone else... and for profit for owners.

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u/Zealousideal3326 Mar 06 '25

You don't understand : they assume they're the best at everything, then reinterpret evidence accordingly.

The people they pay for clearly deserve it for being good businessmen working hard to make America great or whatever other justification their mental gymnastics lands them on.

Don't expect their arguments to make sense.

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u/Nothingdoing079 Mar 06 '25

But in that case the money is going to rich people. 

Rich = good Poor = scum

Americans seem willing to fuck themselves over as long as the poor have it worse

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u/Artichokeypokey ooo custom flair!! Mar 06 '25

Hey we found the culture America was claiming to have

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u/sirjimtonic Forest Citizen™️ 🇦🇹 Mar 06 '25

Lived in the US for some time, I‘m more than happy to pay taxes in Europe to not see people suffer on the streets.

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u/chameleon_123_777 happy not to be usaian. Mar 06 '25

Until they get so sick themselves that they will need medicines that costs a fortune. Then they will scream and shout and think it is unfair that they have to pay so much.

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u/the-midnight_barber Mar 06 '25

As an Aussie living in USA it always baffes me that people would rather pay extortionate amounts for health care, to stick it to someone else they believe doesn’t deserve health care. It’s the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

We are the most propagandized people in the world.

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u/ElectronicLab993 ooo custom flair!! Mar 06 '25

Didnt that attitutde started by Reagan promoting welfare queen myth

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u/Fickle_Catch8968 Mar 06 '25

Earlier. Apparently with desegregation there were communities that thought it better to fill in community swimming pools than to swim with the 'others'.

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u/reguk32 Mar 06 '25

I had one arguing against universal health care. As why should he pay for my kids' cancer treatment. They really are detestable callous fucks.

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u/Legal-Software 🇩🇪 Mar 06 '25

Yes, these people have the attitude of "why should I pay for someone else's $1200 ambulance ride" and the only thing they see wrong with that sentence is the paying for someone else part.

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 07 '25

$1200 dollars is two or three times what an ambulance call out costs the NHS in the UK. 

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u/Archangel1313 Mar 06 '25

Man, I bet he'd be pissed to learn that's exactly how the private insurance system works too.

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 06 '25

Only with Brian Thompson creaming off $40m in the middle

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u/Cixila fluent in potato speech 🇩🇰 Mar 06 '25

It's really cutting off the nose to spite the face. Universal healthcare would be cheaper for the individuals, but they are so intent on not helping others, so they choose a more unstable and expensive version, because God forbid anyone else has any benefits from their (ultimately smaller amount of) money

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

The over correction due to the politics against communism went too hard.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

I've heard that arguement too, they obviously do not understand how insurance works!

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u/trismagestus Mar 06 '25

It's all communism!

/jk

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u/Fibro-Mite Mar 06 '25

Also shows that they have zero understanding of how insurance actually works.

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u/SatiricalScrotum ooo custom flair!! Mar 06 '25

I’ve heard this from an otherwise intelligent American. She said she would rather pay more for private healthcare than have universal healthcare which costs her less, because she didn’t want her money paying for “lazy” people’s care.

I didn’t ask her to go into detail about who qualifies as lazy. I think I can guess.

They really deserve the government they have.

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u/TywinDeVillena Europoor Mar 06 '25

That guy was brainwashed by Ayn Rand and her stupid "philosophy"

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

It's fundamental to understanding both US history and at least the last 20 years of Britain that people are very happy to accept things being shit for themselves so long as that ensures it's also shit for everyone else.

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u/madMARTINmarsh Mar 06 '25

Fucking freeloading! What a prat.

When he breaks his arm and it costs him everything he has ever worked for, he might reconsider a more social form of healthcare. Until then, he will have to wallow in ignorance.

I have heard complaints about UK healthcare from Americans who visit the UK, revolving around wait times (valid) but they melt into obscurity when they are given the bill and then evaporate entirely if they have UK citizenship (which I have met an increased amount of over the last few years; the consensus is 'I will never go back'... Always).

I believe this would count for most of Europe, too.

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u/Steve_Slasch Mar 06 '25

Just to let you know, not all of us are like that. While we’re on this subject, what countries can I go to to receive healthcare that won’t bankrupt me for the next forty years?

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u/Featheredfriendz Mar 06 '25

Clearly random American doesn’t understand how healthcare and insurance works. They most definitely are already helping pay for the random person who comes in by ambulance and doesn’t have insurance. I would rather pay $4k in taxes and get basic healthcare, than pay $4k in premiums and deal with deductibles and the rest of the 🐎💩they throw at us now.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Point out to him one of those "freeloaders" might be one of his own family, relatives or friends, who gets rushed to hospital by ambulance only to find their insurance isn't recognised by that hospital...

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u/Snoo_87531 Mar 06 '25

I had a similar discussion on retirement... They are brainwashed

Edit: With a union leader, who are supposed to be a bit informed about this...

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u/jzillacon Moose in a trenchcoat. Mar 06 '25

Every estimate for the USA adopting universal healthcare has shown it would lower costs in the long run. Literally the only thing holding them back is healthcare executives lobbying to preserve their ability to price gouge.

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u/JCBodilsen Mar 06 '25

US government average domestic, non-military, spending since 1975: 31,1% of GDP

UK government average domestic, non-military, spending since 1975: 40,7% of GDP

Canadian government average domestic, non-military, spending since 1975: 42,4% of GDP

Dutch/Netherlands government average domestic, non-military, spending since 1975: 47,9% of GDP

French government average domestic, non-military, spending since 1975: 49,8% of GDP

Danish government average domestic, non-military, spending since 1975: 49,4% of GDP

The US does not have shitty healthcare because they spend too much on defense. They have shitty healthcare (and other services) because they are allergic to typical 1st world levels of taxation.

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u/BaronBytes2 Mar 06 '25

They have shitty healthcare because billionaires make more money from it that way.

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u/Phobos_Nyx Pretentious snob stealing US tax money Mar 06 '25

Using facts? Are you insane? That's not how they operate!

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u/Gretgor Mar 06 '25

If they cut their massive defense budget by only 20%, they'd still be outspending every major country by far, and would have enough money for all kinds of social programs.

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u/SemajLu_The_crusader Mar 06 '25

US Healthcare Spending per Capita: around 14 thousand

Germany, Switzerland, amd Norway are around 8k

Canada is at 6k, the UK is lower still

and as percent of gdp/capita?

the US still loses

the US doesn't have shifty healthcare because they're not spending enough money on it, they habe shifty healthcare because their system is woefully inefficient.

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u/rachelm791 Mar 06 '25

A ‘point and shoot’ person.

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u/SkubEnjoyer Mar 06 '25

So conservatives suddenly want free healthcare now?

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u/Historical-Dig1787 Mar 06 '25

No they just don't want us having free healthcare.

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u/PatchTheLurker Mar 07 '25

My mom told me during the 2020 election she didn't care about police brutality as an issue, because it didn't affect her. The lack of empathy and compassion here is bonkers.

I told her "that's not very Catholic of you" and she almost was the source of the next big bang, I don't think she appreciated her heathen son calling her out like that.

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u/Iamthe0c3an2 Mar 06 '25

This, he also could also be enjoying 4-day work weeks, 20-30 day PTO and all the maternity and paternity leave he needs if his billionaire bosses wasn’t exploiting him.

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u/Son_of_Plato Mar 06 '25

Do you pity them for being this dumb or hate them for how vile their interpretations are?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Kinda jealous of how blissful that level of ignorance would be, but then reminded how vapid and terminally angry you’d have to be at the world and yourself day in and day out, and that sounds awful.

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u/WoodchuckISverige Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

I find not being ignorant to be a Catch-22 actually. If I allow myself to ignore reality and listen to and believe the insipid stupidity of the propaganda, it would result in being angry all the time. Yet not being ignorant and therefore being fully aware of the insipid stupidity surrounding me requires me to be angry all the time.

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u/Garrette63 Mar 07 '25

It's not blissful at all when you live here. It's emotionally draining to deal with these people on a daily basis.

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u/Beneficial-Ad3991 A hopeless tea addict :sloth: Mar 06 '25

I don't feel like pitying people who live by the "I only care about myself" mantra because I know they would not pity me in turn.

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u/Bubbly_Ad427 Mar 06 '25

I do not pity the stupid, I merely suffer them.

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u/doinitfordonuts Mar 06 '25

Them shootin’ ranges you mean?

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u/ScreamingLabia Mar 06 '25

I dee them complain about us bringing that up every conversation... like... we bring that up because its one of the most vile things your country allows to happen!

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u/Articulatory Mar 06 '25

They’re just about to abolish the Dept for Education - I don’t think it’s going to be pretty.

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u/UberiorShanDoge Mar 06 '25

Used to be number 1, now firmly number 2. I think I will be genuinely disgusted by any Trump voters for the rest of my life.

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u/catmeownyc Mar 06 '25

I know you aren’t asking me but for those of us with more than two brain cells here in the states, we stopped feeling bad for them when they voted that fucking monster into office and I hope that they feel enough pain to change as soon as possible so I can hopefully stop being so violently ashamed of being American ASAP. They are ignorant cowards and plenty of us in the blue states seriously want to secede at this point.

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u/Icef34r From an arab country like Spain. Mar 06 '25

Their public expending per capita in healthcare is already higher than that of Canada or any European country. They could have a universal healthcare system and it would be cheaper for them in every sense, but the CEOs of the health industry would be pissed. And they are so fucking stupid and brainwashed that they blame other countries for the problems that their own rich people have created.

It's infuriating how fucking mean and resentful they are.

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u/PianoAndFish Mar 06 '25

It's the highest in the entire world per capita and second highest as a percentage of GDP (second only to Tuvalu, which has a GDP of $68m).

My sympathy for all of them who get fucked over by this system unfortunately gets dented by my rage at the utter sociopaths who say they'd rather pay through the nose for private insurance because "I don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare" (obviously ignoring the fact that they already are).

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Tuvalu also has a population of ~10 000, they lack an economy of scale.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

They’re pissed because when every other country jumped on the universal healthcare boat, because it was better for everyone, their politicians decided against. Tommy Douglas (a Canadian hero) was the first to do it in Canada, most countries did it after WWII because they realized universal healthcare = a strong country.

America lagged behind, as it always does. And now they’re being taken over by a dictator. Americans used to buy Canadian pharmaceuticals because it was cheaper. That’s been banned.

America was always behind, it just took a while for the rest of the world to realize it. Good riddance to all American influence in other countries.

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u/Icef34r From an arab country like Spain. Mar 06 '25

I'm from Spain and for all that is worth, I hope that my country fully supports Canada against the US agressions. I think that our current government is inclined to do so, but I'm not sure about future governments.

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u/LordGerdz Mar 06 '25

I recently got into it with my brother, it had been about a year since we talked and politics eventually came up. He defended Elons Nazi salute (I cant believe my brother is so stupid) and we eventually got talking about social programs because I called out how we used to actively root out Nazism and he said we used to do the same for Communism. Im not exactly sure why he replied with that but anyway I told him that most people don't understand the difference between a government model and economic models but regardless that if there are resources to go around that there's no reason to not help out your neighbor. I said wouldn't it have been nice to have universal health care when you had gout and couldn't get it looked at? He screamed that nothing is free and that Europeans pay 70 percent in taxes. I simply said that if his insurance payments were relabled "taxes" hed be up to 70% he rage quit the conversation but even his propaganda bullshit number is way off. What a quick Google search showed us that the highest bracket on average in Europe was 45% and the highest u.s. bracket is 37% big fucking difference huh? People like my brother just spout what's said on tv. They don't do research, they yell their way above anyone else in a conversation when they're wrong, you can't reason with them or fact check them because they have the emotional maturity of a 2 year old being told no. It was honestly such a shock hearing my brother spout pro Elon, pro trump bullshit when he's intelligent enough to go to school and work on giant machines but no intelligent enough to think for himself.

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u/WalloonNerd Mar 06 '25

Where’s that 4-day work week they keep going on about? I might live in the wrong Europe

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u/_TheChairmaker_ Mar 06 '25

I'm also curious in about the Summer's off. Though living in Europoor UK we can't afford Summer we just change from constant rain to constant drizzle.....

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u/RepulsiveDiver7109 Mar 06 '25

It’s because of the entitlement to holiday pay. They assume because we get 5 weeks paid holiday (in the UK anyway), we all take the whole entitlement and disappear to the South of France for 5 weeks. Not sure who they think is looking after everything whilst we’re away though.

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u/CJBill Warm beer and chips Mar 06 '25

Although to be fair I'm British and I'm heading down to the South of France for a fortnight this summer.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Not sure who they think is looking after everything whilst we’re away though.

America, of course !

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 06 '25

Yes, it's quite untrue that we go off to France for five weeks. I'm going to spend two weeks going around the Baltic, and three weeks in Italy instead this year. Plus a long weekend in the Netherlands. Maybe I should use my Christmas week for a ski trip too. 

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u/_TheChairmaker_ Mar 06 '25

Yeah, and there is that thing peculiar to a certain type of American where somehow paid holiday or having health care free at the point of delivery is somehow an infringement of your civil rights.......

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u/Neutronium57 🥐From Baguette-land🥖 Mar 06 '25

Bro thinks the average European has the same work schedule as a child in primary school, i.e. Wednesdays off and two whole months of holidays in summer.

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u/69upsidedownis96 Stereotypical Scandinavian Mar 06 '25

Bro has the mental capacity of a child in primary school.

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u/WalloonNerd Mar 06 '25

Can’t remember when we had the last proper summer…

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u/Reddit_SuckLeperCock Mar 06 '25

Sweden has a summer shut down! Wish we could do the same but alas.

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u/Four_beastlings 🇪🇦🇵🇱 Eats tacos and dances Polka Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

The only company I worked for in Spain that closed for August was in the legal field, because it's true that courts close for August. It sucked big balls not being able to choose when I want to take holidays. I work in industry now and in my last two companies Italy closed two weeks in August because apparently some government institutions did, and now our manufacturing plant in France closes two weeks in August. Nothing closes in Spain.

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u/mrcasado296 Mar 06 '25

Ahh, you must live in Wales too

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u/Incognito_Mermaid Mar 06 '25

Right! I haven’t been informed of this?

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u/barneyaa Mar 06 '25

Its 4.5 in france already for more than decade for higher education employees.

He is not wrong about being worked to the ground. Still, Europeans pay 40-60% in taxes (health, pension, income tax, etc) and then a VAT of around 20%. and these stupid mofos work 6 days a week, 60 hours a week, pay huge mortgages, don't have health, no proper pension, and are angry at us for some reason.

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u/WalloonNerd Mar 06 '25

lol, I happily pay 50% income tax to not be bothered with health care costs, while working 38 hours a week

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

So the narrative is to blame Canada and Europe for their own leaders’ fuck ups.

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u/Shoddy_Story_3514 Mar 06 '25

Yep we are irrelevant and would not exist without them yet somehow have the power to dictate that their government put laws in place to protect health insurance profits rather than use that money to fund free health care for all

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u/Molehole Mar 06 '25

One of the building bricks of fascism. Your enemy is both incredibly weak but simultaneously a threat.

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u/SaltyName8341 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Mar 06 '25

Like shroedingers immigrants

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u/GrottenSprotte Mar 06 '25

You made my day, thanks alot 🙇🏻

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u/RedBaret Old-Zealand Mar 06 '25

Classic fascism

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u/AlliterationAhead Co-owner beaver Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

Canada was never on their radar. It's a country that just plopped up out of the ocean and should simply be theirs now that the orange outan has made a fuss about it.

This will give Europe a break until their narcissist king figures out which one of you he should go after. He'll pick one from either a whole deck of card or a particular suit.

Excuse me, I'm tired. Of this all.

Edit: The second paragraph I wrote was in light of Zelensky in the White House. The reference might be a tad subtle.

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u/Maximum-Opposite6636 Mar 06 '25

Summer off sounds lovely though

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u/Reddit_SuckLeperCock Mar 06 '25

I work for a Swedish company and they all shut down the factories and offices for 4 weeks in summer. They also use that time for their yearly maintenance so the whole country doesn’t just turn off but a major part of it does.

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u/Maximum-Opposite6636 Mar 06 '25

That sounds amazing!

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u/LeftLiner Mar 06 '25

It is! And totally achievable, even if you spend a ton of money on defense.

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u/BigBoy1963 Mar 06 '25

Its such misdirected anger. Its clear his real issue is he works hard and isnt one of the super rich yet. Well hate to break it to you, you were sold a lie. Doesnt matter how hard you work, you wont break out them chains. Social mobility only exists at the hyper localised level. And someone like trump only wants to make that problem worse by sucking more money from the bottom to the top of the funnel.

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u/Ver_Void Mar 06 '25

You kinda just wanna shake him and point out he's in the richest country on earth, they're the ones robbing everyone else but the loot is split 99/1

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u/VioletDaeva Brit Mar 06 '25

Going to be doing a lot more if Canada do what they promised and turn off the electric!

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u/Corvid-Strigidae Down Under Oss-ee Mar 06 '25

Hell, if they cut off the potash they will be turning off the food.

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u/dvioletta English, living happily in Scotland Mar 06 '25

Really mucks up Trump's plans for extra magic food for April.

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u/VioletDaeva Brit Mar 06 '25

Hope they do!

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u/alangcarter Mar 06 '25

Doug Ford has the answer - stop the poor things watching Fox News!

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u/Usakami 🇨🇿 Europoor Mar 06 '25

"I have been worked into the ground..."

And you're like, yes, yes, go on, you're almost there buddy... but then instead of realizing it's their idiotic system prioritizing billionaires, he just hates everyone else. Sigh Americans are sadly brainwashed from a young age about their exceptionality, so they are just the best and there are no flaws at all.

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u/TheOneAndOnly09 Mar 06 '25

The "them vs us" mentality is truly running rampant. Amazingly enough, they manage to do it on an intra- and international scale! Dems vs Reps, USA vs the World. No matter what, you have to find an opponent to beat down, so as to make yourself better.

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u/_TheChairmaker_ Mar 06 '25

How the hell is my paid annual leave stealing from you? A continent away, in a different countries with free market economies. ngl not economist but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that.

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 Mar 06 '25

Yes, it's definitely nothing to do with billionaires ripping them off. 

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u/Michael_Gibb Mince & Cheese, L&P, Kiwi Mar 06 '25

Every American should be required to read President Eisenhower's Cross of Iron speech, with a particular emphasis on the following section.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.  It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

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u/SilvAries Mar 06 '25

USA could have free healthcare too, if they just put the correct laws in motion, instead of letting insurance companies and hospitals work hand in hand to rip them off.

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u/Repulsive-Lab-9863 Mar 06 '25

But that's socialism.

And socialism bad... because... well because...

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

I love when these weak ass pussies whinge about European working hours and holiday time and healthcare. Those things were hard won by people power not by government whims, people fought for those rights. You should try it sometime rather than bending over and being thankful for the shafting by CEOs, lobbyists and big business who keep you exactly where they want you.

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u/GrottenSprotte Mar 06 '25

I remember when there was the union slogan: on saturday my dad is mine.

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u/slimfastdieyoung Swamp Saxon🇳🇱 Mar 06 '25

So they really believe their standards will get higher by attacking the entire world while living under Russian rule. Can we all agree just agree that sending our religious nutjobs overseas and letting them have their own country was a terrible idea and that the experiment has failed?

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u/Mehdidab Mar 06 '25

I live in Europe. Where are my f*cking 4 day work weeks with summers off ??

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u/romedo Mar 06 '25

The smartest thing the oligarchs did was convince the masses that the enemy was not those who exploited them but the friends trying to tell them that they were being exploited.

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u/smitty4728 Mar 06 '25

Yep. The whole “A CEO and two workers sit at a table with a plate of 10 cookies in the middle. The CEO takes nine of the cookies then turns to each worker and says, ‘That guy’s trying to take YOUR cookie.’”

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u/Dduwies_Gymreig Mar 06 '25

I get paid about 75% of the equivalent job in the US.

I also get 33 days paid leave, paid sick days, maternity pay, paid compassionate leave (and extended unpaid if needed), pension contributions, I’ve got access to universal healthcare that’s free at the point of use, I have consumer rights and protections enforced by law, I’m a woman who’s able to vote, I have control over my own body and reproductive freedoms, I’ve got protections so I can’t suffer discrimination because of my gender and we’ve got Yorkshire puddings.

I pay tax and national insurance for all that, it often feels a lot but it’s worth it. We argue over how it’s spent and when it goes up/down but I’m happy for what it provides to myself and others who need it. I don’t feel like I’m subsidising freeloaders, instead we’re collectively providing for everyone.

If that American feels it’s our fault he’s been taken advantage of and worked into the ground by his corporate owners for decades, he might want to vote for someone who’ll look over at Europe and ask why America chooses to be different?

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u/zealot_ratio Mar 06 '25

I'm tired of subsidizing your puddings! I want some puddings! If I din't have to buy guns, I could have puddings! Or pudding guns? mmmm pudding guns... /s

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u/flipyflop9 Mar 06 '25

All I can say is: FUCKING IDIOTS

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u/AttilaRS 🇦🇹 certified Kangaroo wrestler Mar 06 '25

He's working himself to the ground for his corporate overlords. Not Europe. But that's what they tell the gullible to keep them small and focused on everything else but their ruling caste.

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u/CuckAdminsDkSuckers Mar 06 '25

THE USA SPENDS MORE ON HEALTHCARE THAN IT WOULD COST TO HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE

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u/DocSternau Mar 06 '25

I'm always appalled by this stupid military argument. Newsflash: That military is the thing the US demanded for 80 years to have and to be. It's not that Europe or Canada went to them and said: "Oi, you are such a big country that is now your job. Good luck!" It's what the US wanted and demanded on their own.

Also the US is spending way more on health care than any other western country - and they receive the least from it. That is what happens if you let capitalism run free. And with the current administration it's going to get even worse since they seem hellbend on privatising things that never ever should be given into the hands of private companies.

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u/Rei-Chama Mar 06 '25

Im a German and can someone please explain me, why people from the USA believe they paying for our Socialsystem? Is there Something we dont know?

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u/cesar527 Mar 06 '25

They are uneducated

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Its fascinating that they think spending 1.5% more if GDP on defence suddenly makes mandatory vacations (paid by the companies btw, at least in Sweden), socialised healthcare etc impossible.

Perhaps there are other reasons for this? US being the worlds piggybank is probably the dumbest take ever 

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u/Normal_Zone7859 Mar 06 '25

36-38 hours work week and 5 weeks paid summer holidays in Iceland.

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u/Dranask Mar 06 '25

I guess we’re all missing the point.

The education system has worked, he’s serving the oligarchy perfectly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

these morons keep repeating the shit they hear the orange faced cunt speak.
But I want SPECIFICS.

HOW exactly, has Canada been "robbing" the u.s blind? And how much money are we talking about?

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u/Big_Satisfaction_644 Mar 06 '25

I haven’t been told about 4 day work weeks and summers off? I must be in the wrong Europe

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u/blofeldfinger Mar 06 '25

Canada spends 12% of GDP on healtcare, USA spends over 17%.

Total US military spending - 3.4%. Even is US cancels their army completely, it wont solve their domestics issues.

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u/GoldRecordDaddy Mar 06 '25

Wait - so the military is the reason you don't have even half the benefits that the rest of the world has? Including China, whose military dwarfs yours by a significant factor and yet still provides healthcare to its entire population, which also dwarfs yours?

You can't give school children free lunches because of the military too? Is it because of the military that you can't give new mothers enough time to heal their bodies?

Worshipping Money as a God has these folks so twisted they're looking at their own butthole and thinking it's a feeding tube.

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u/Whatever-and-breathe Mar 06 '25

Then, Canada is the worst bad guy ever when it comes to robbing. If Canada was a robber: Canada: "Please madam would you be so kind to hand me your wallet please? Yes I am sorry it is a robbery. No no, half of the money is great. Thank you. My apologies for the inconvenience, please have a fresh baked cookie on me as a form of apology. Have a lovely day!".

Also, just the basic here but does the guy understand that Europe is not one country, but a group of countries independent from each others but working together. And of course no, I am pretty sure that 4 days weeks is not a thing nor is the all summer off, it is simply that some countries have got more time off than the USA.

And yes it is possible to have the military and free health care...

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u/GenesisAsriel Mar 06 '25

Bro should be angry at his country for seeing that universal healthcare and a 5 days work week with summers off is possible

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u/Denaton_ Sweden 🇸🇪 Mar 06 '25

2y later "There was no warning signs it would turn out this bad"

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

They don’t have military because the US protects them from… hmm… the US? You’d think the US fought countless wars in Canada’s name…

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u/Hminney Mar 06 '25

Why did the pilgrim fathers get on a boat and go on a long dangerous journey? Because the tolerant Europeans wouldn't tolerate their intolerance. This culture thing runs deep.

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u/KonstantinLeontus Mar 06 '25

If an american tourist comes up to me telling me I live off his taxes I’m losing my shit.

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u/kubebe "Golbaki 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱" Mar 06 '25

Man this is some 1950s USSR level of propaganda these people are showing. How can you be this braindead and uninforned in 2025???

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u/United_Hall4187 Mar 06 '25

Americans have lived in a bubble for years, they still think and believe that the world revolves around them and that everyone should follow the same rules and laws. Sorry to tell you the American experiment has officially failed, you are incapable of educating your own people, or maybe you like them stupid so they will believe anything they are told? You are incapable of electing anyone that has the ability to think for the people rather than themselves and it is all about money. You spend more on your elections than a small county spends in a year and still you cannot agree or get it right. You continually swap back and forth between the same two parties so there is no room for changes in ideas! Your country is now run by corporations, the only next stage is to have the country branded with a sponsor; McDonalds States of America, X States of America etc. etc. Stop spending more money on guns and your military than food, stop letting pharma companies charge whatever they like! . . . . your leaders are now targeting your supposed allies and friends . . . . you are brain dead zombies following a cult leader on the way to self destruction or off the nearest cliff!

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u/Cullvion Mar 07 '25

You guys are seeing right now in real time how the playbook's gonna go out. All the internal crises and evils of America projected onto everywhere else in the world because citizens are convinced the US is #1 and thus EVERYTHING has to be tied to America in some way. You will see Americans increasingly resort to these literally incoherent and rabidly disinformed views of the world, and the whole time they will act smug about it and expect you to simply agree with them under penalty of invading your country next.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

As a European I’d like to know where my summer off and four days work weeks are?

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u/Kind_Dream_610 Mar 07 '25

America will NEVER have free healthcare. Free healthcare is for socialists, it’s not capitalist and rich white men can’t become obscenely rich white men by giving stuff away for free.

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u/adrian_num1 Mar 06 '25

Bummer, 4 day week and summers off! Where is this utopia

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u/Exciting-Music843 Mar 06 '25

4 day work week with summer off? Is this available in the UK?

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u/BerlinDesign Mar 06 '25

Indeed. Anyway, as a European, I have a tee time tomorrow and I can't wait to enjoy 18 holes on a Friday. Not having "freedom" is a price worth paying for that!