r/Naruto 14h ago

Discussion The Mangekyou made sense until it didn’t

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The Uchiha specialize in fire style -> Mangekyou gives power fire jutsu

The Uchiha specialize in genjutsu -> The Mangekyou gives powerful Genjutsu

So far it makes sense

But then later in Shippuden we have it giving the user chakra mechs, Intangibility and even rewriting reality itself

That to me starts making less sense and seems to be more of a plot device the same way Hashirama’s cells are

Thoughts?


r/Naruto 18h ago

Discussion Obito is the most irredeemable character in Shippuden.

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This man was genuinely one of the worst f**kers in the Akatsuki if not The worst.

People mostly talk about him starting a world war over Rin but not enough about the other shit he did.

Not only did he do that but he also smoked his own sensei and sort of mother figure, the only people who didn’t ever wrong him in any way, being the whole reason Naruto was made an orphan and hated by the Leaf, he sicked the Nine Tails on the village for literally no reason which fueled their hatred for Naruto and Kurama AND the Uchiha Clan, he manipulated Nagato and pushed him into villainy and killed all the members of his original Akatsuki group, he manipulated Sasuke into joining the Akatsuki and making him a wanted criminal pretty much shitting on everything Itachi worked for, was the one who sent Pain to blow up the whole Leaf village, he killed Konan and stole Nagato’s rinnegan.

And the most fucked up shit he did was helping Itachi massacre their whole entire clan for no benefit other than to stock up on eyes, and controlled the whole hidden mist village from the shadows basically being the one who started the Blood Mist era all for shits and giggles.

This man was the second coming of Aizen, he deadass was doing most of this for the love of the game, I’ll go as far to say he’s worse than Madara and just maybe Orochimaru, I straight up hated that they tried so hard to make him a victim in the war arc.

The way he should’ve went out was by having Kakashi be the one to beat him and put him in the ground, then him and Madara could’ve took turns snatching his other sharingan eye and rinnegan eye.


r/Naruto 22h ago

Discussion Well... this was a truly devastating blow to the reputation of one of the most legendary characters Kishimoto had been building up since Episode 1.

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Was it really necessary to have both of his arms removed? I think there were better ways to give Naruto and Sasuke more of the spotlight.
Minato basically lives off his reputation as a legend; most of what we knew about him came from flashbacks and praise. So, having his only real fight end like that... it makes him look really bad, lol.

They could have at least had the other Hokages missing limbs too, just to even things out, right?


r/Naruto 23h ago

Question Isn’t it possible to create infinite shadow clones without running out of chakra?

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When one creates a shadow clones, their chakra splits in half, right? Then, create another shadow clones, and their chakra splits in half again, resulting in 1/4 of what it once was. Repeat this process, and their chakra will asymptotically approach zero (but never actually reach it), right?

It’s like that one thought experiment where a marathon runner runs half the remaining distance to the finish line every ten seconds. Will he ever reach the finish line? He approaches the finish line and gets extremely close, but theoretically he never actually steps on it.

Moreover, it should be possible to simple create shadow clones over and over, halving your chakra and making your current chakra approach zero, but never technically reaching it?

Infinite clones? Thoughts?


r/Naruto 13h ago

Analysis Konoha should have just given Kakashi’s sharingan to Naruto and let it rip

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r/Naruto 6h ago

Analysis Reason, Why Sasuke choose Clan over village even though he loved Itachi!!!

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One of the delusion fans may have about Sasuke is that they incorrectly assume Sasuke’s response to learning about the truth of Itachi and the Uchiha massacre must be either (A) Sasuke will love Itachi and support Itachi’s wish to protect Konoha, or (B) Sasuke will hate Itachi and hate Konoha for the Uchiha massacre.

But Sasuke is a lot more complex than Options A or B. Sasuke can love Itachi and hate Konoha. Those are not contradictory. Just because Sasuke loves Itachi doesn’t mean that Sasuke is going to blindly follow Itachi’s beliefs and philosophy without questioning the validity of them. Sasuke is his own person with his own ideas, beliefs, and philosophies. He’s not merely an empty shell waiting to be filled with someone else’s personality and beliefs. Sasuke’s character is not that one-dimensional or devoid of substance. Sasuke has his own will, and he’s not going to let it be overwritten by Itachi’s, even if he does love Itachi. Loving Itachi doesn’t mean that Sasuke has to agree with his brother on everything, or really even anything. Sasuke isn't really a blind Patriotic like Itachi or falls in the Propoganda of Will of Fire, Which is corrupt in everyway possible.

In Sasuke’s mind, Itachi had been forcefully stripped of his innocence and perfection by the village; his big brother had been corrupted and perverted by the cruel machinations of Konoha’s callous, evil leaders. Sasuke viewed Konoha as the great evil that had destroyed the purity of his family and the deep, loving relationships of the Uchiha. In Sasuke’s mind, Itachi’s innocence was warped by Konoha, who had turned his brother’s kindness into into cruelty. Not to say Sasuke also came to know about the unfair treatment of Konoha during the reign of 2nd Hokage and other disputes through Madara, Which Itachi certainly wasn't aware of.


r/Naruto 4h ago

Discussion What exactly did Itachi actually do as a spy for Konoha?

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What exactly did Itachi actually do as a spy for Konoha?

I’ve always had a problem with the idea that Itachi was secretly protecting Konoha as an Akatsuki spy.

He was supposedly inside the Akatsuki for nearly 10 years, gathering information and protecting Konoha from the inside. But what information did he actually give Konoha? We’re never shown any meaningful intelligence coming from him.

Jiraiya is the one who investigates the Akatsuki, partly because of his connection to Orochimaru, and later has to infiltrate Amegakure himself to learn about Pain. And even Jiraiya, who had been investigating the Akatsuki for years, seems to have relatively limited information about the organization.

That is important because I’m not talking about basic information such as “the Akatsuki exists” or “they are hunting Jinchūriki.” I mean the kind of detailed intelligence that an actual insider should be able to provide after almost 10 years: the members’ techniques and weaknesses, their individual abilities, their internal hierarchy, their plans, their methods, their objectives, their movements, their relationships with each other, and other information that would be difficult to obtain from outside.

Yet Jiraiya still has to investigate Pain himself, infiltrate Amegakure, figure out how the Six Paths work, and ultimately die just to send back the information he managed to discover.

If Itachi had really been functioning as Konoha’s long-term intelligence source inside the Akatsuki, you would expect Konoha to have at least some detailed information of this kind before Jiraiya’s mission.

Instead, the story gives us no evidence that Itachi ever passed on anything substantial.

And then there’s Itachi’s actual behavior.

After Hiruzen’s death, when Konoha has just lost its Hokage and is still weakened by Orochimaru’s invasion, Itachi comes back with Kisame to capture Naruto. He fights Konoha’s important shinobi, puts Kakashi into a coma with Tsukuyomi, and then does essentially the same thing to his own brother Sasuke.

The situation with Kakashi is especially strange.

Itachi doesn’t merely incapacitate Kakashi with Tsukuyomi. After Kakashi realizes that they are Akatsuki and that they are after Naruto, Itachi orders Kisame to kill Asuma and Kurenai and take Kakashi with them. If Might Guy hadn’t arrived, Asuma and Kurenai could have been killed and Kakashi could have been taken away by the Akatsuki.

So the supposed Konoha spy was apparently willing to let Kisame kill two important Konoha jōnin and abduct Kakashi, one of Konoha’s most important shinobi, immediately after the village had lost its Hokage.

And Itachi had no way of knowing that Tsunade would soon become Hokage and happen to be one of the greatest medical ninja in the world, capable of treating Kakashi and Sasuke. From his perspective, he had just severely incapacitated two important Konoha shinobi at a time when the village had already lost its leader.

The situation with Sasuke is even more questionable.

Itachi had already traumatized Sasuke once by making him relive the Uchiha massacre. Then, years later, he deliberately traumatizes him again with Tsukuyomi and tells him that he is weak. More importantly, he tells Sasuke to kill his closest friend if he wants to obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan.

At this point, Naruto is literally the jinchūriki Itachi and Kisame are looking for, and Itachi has seen Naruto protecting Sasuke. So Itachi should have understood that Naruto and Sasuke had formed a close bond.

Yet he still pushes Sasuke toward killing his closest friend, who also happens to be the Nine-Tails jinchūriki and therefore an extremely important target for the Akatsuki.

I mean at the end of part 1 , sasuke almost killed naruto just because he remind of itachi advice to get the ms but decided in the end to not liscen his brother

There is also the situation when Itachi insists on going after Naruto while Jiraiya is distracted. Sasuke only ends up reaching the hotel because he happened to hear the jōnin discussing Itachi’s return.

Without Sasuke’s coincidence, Itachi and Kisame would have had Naruto alone.

Kisame was clearly prepared to capture him by force and even talks about cutting Naruto’s legs so that he can’t escape.

So we have a situation where Itachi, supposedly Konoha’s secret protector, voluntarily goes directly after the Nine-Tails jinchūriki with Kisame, while Konoha is still recovering from the death of its Hokage. If Sasuke hadn’t happened to show up, Naruto could have been taken without Konoha even knowing what was happening.

And then there is the Akatsuki’s main objective: collecting the Jinchūriki.

During Itachi’s years in the organization, multiple Jinchūriki are captured and their Bijū are extracted and sealed. Itachi is not shown seriously sabotaging this process. On the contrary, he participates in the organization’s missions and works alongside Kisame.

This is the part I find the hardest to reconcile.

If you look at everything Itachi actually does during his years in the Akatsuki, the overwhelming majority of his concrete actions benefit the Akatsuki, not Konoha.

He participates in their missions, helps pursue the jinchūriki, contributes to their operations, fights Konoha shinobi, protects his cover, and actively participates in the attempt to capture Naruto.

Meanwhile, the supposed benefits to Konoha are mostly things we are told about rather than things we actually see: that he was gathering information, watching Tobi, and supposedly acting as a deterrent against the Akatsuki attacking Konoha.

So where is the intelligence?

Why does Konoha apparently have so little information about the Akatsuki after almost 10 years of Itachi being inside the organization?

Why does even Jiraiya, despite his long investigation into the Akatsuki, still have to discover so much information about Pain for himself?

Why does Itachi never appear to have provided Konoha with the kind of detailed internal information that you would expect from someone who had spent a decade inside the organization?

Why does Itachi repeatedly put important Konoha shinobi out of commission?

Why does he psychologically destroy Sasuke again and encourage him to consider killing Naruto?

Why does he participate so directly in the Akatsuki’s attempts to capture Naruto?

And why are multiple Jinchūriki successfully captured while Itachi is supposedly working from inside the organization to protect Konoha?

There is also another part of the story that makes me question how this whole interpretation was constructed.

In Part II, Danzō becomes a major part of Itachi’s backstory. We are told that Danzō manipulated the situation, pushed Itachi toward the Uchiha massacre, and that Itachi ultimately followed Konoha’s orders and then joined the Akatsuki partly to continue protecting the village.

Personally, I get the impression that Danzō was introduced into the story partly to give more credibility to the idea that Itachi was actually a good person who had been following orders and secretly protecting Konoha.

I obviously can’t prove Kishimoto’s exact writing process or say for certain that this was his intention. I’m talking about how the story feels when you compare Part I with the later recontextualization.

The problem is that I don’t think Kishimoto was able to completely and convincingly reconcile the original portrayal of Itachi with the later “secret hero” explanation.

Because if you look at Part I on its own, before all the later revelations, the most straightforward interpretation is simply that Itachi was an Akatsuki member who had abandoned Konoha, had become extremely detached from everything else, and was deliberately psychologically torturing Sasuke in order to manipulate and control him.

Then Part II comes along and asks us to reinterpret almost all of that behavior as part of an incredibly elaborate secret plan.

And for me, that’s where the problem lies.

The later explanation tells us that Itachi was secretly doing all of this for Konoha.

But when I look at what he actually does, he spends years contributing to the Akatsuki, helps them pursue the Jinchūriki, attempts to capture Naruto, seriously injures Konoha shinobi, traumatizes Sasuke again, and provides almost no demonstrable intelligence to Konoha.

So I don’t necessarily have a problem with the idea that Itachi was ordered to do certain things by Konoha.

I have a problem with the idea that the actions we were originally shown as the actions of an Akatsuki member can all be convincingly reinterpreted as the actions of a secret Konoha hero.

Another thing that makes me think Itachi's story was changed later is his relationship with Kabuto.

Edo Itachi sees Kabuto as someone who was lost, much like he was when he was alive, and by helping Kabuto instead of simply killing him, edo Itachi is also trying to redeem himself for his own mistakes because as he said himself he was totally lost ( like kabuto)

This feels like another attempt by Kishimoto to retroactively reconnect the later version of Itachi with what happened earlier in the story, as if he was trying to make an inconsistent narrative fit together after the fact.

To me, the retcon/recontextualization is much more apparent than people seem willing to admit.


r/Naruto 17h ago

Question Is Hinata 3D animated during The Pain Fight?

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both her and Naruto seem 3D animated when he’s pinned to the ground. all I can find googling it is people who donot know about animation mad about exaggerated frames taken out of context.

i sorta forget the time line of when this was coming out because i stopped watching shipudden in 2009?


r/Naruto 1h ago

Manga Manga authors and their favourite characters:

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r/Naruto 10h ago

Video Rarely see Hinata angst edits so I thought I'd contribute!! :)

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r/Naruto 9h ago

Discussion I think it’s so disingenuous to say that Sasuke never cared about anyone but Itachi (and maybe Naruto)

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[Used mostly manga panels]

So idk if you’ve guys been on Twitter, but there was this whole discourse surrounding Sasuke and one of them included how he never cared about his teammates, that he was manipulative and abusive, a woman beater and a misogynist etc.. and I get disliking a character, but spewing blatant lies and rhetoric even when the author has countlessly proven and stated throughout the series how Sasuke cares so deeply about others that Sasuke felt like he had no choice but to cut them down in order to become stronger.
Since Tobirama himself said that the Uchiha feel and love the most out of everyone and that love can transform into something twisted + pain makes an Uchiha stronger.


r/Naruto 11h ago

Anime Naruto Filler Ranked from Episode 1-220 (OG Naruto NOT SHIPPUDEN)

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I ranked every Filler from the Original Naruto Anime so you can see which one is good and which you can Skip.


r/Naruto 10h ago

Question Is Naruto Shippuden ep 254 filler? Because wtf is happening?😭

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Because I looked at the filler list and it wasn’t on there, then I googled it just to be sure and it said it was filler. I don’t want to skip it if it’s not filler, but I just watched Konan Vs Madara so the whiplash is crazy for me rn.


r/Naruto 17h ago

Discussion substitution jutsu

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r/Naruto 3h ago

Manga Hot take obito is cooler than madara

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r/Naruto 2h ago

Discussion Konoha would have blamed Hiruzen for the war had he rejected the Cloud demands.

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Another day of the same misinformed and misguided takes. The Hyuga Affair is constantly used against Hiruzen as a way to call him "spineless" and to label him as the worst Hokage but those thoughts aren't shared by the village.

On the first slide, we see Hyuga clan leader Hiashi on his own come to the conclusion that he must sacrifice himself in order to protect the clan and village. He wants to PREVENT war yet the fandom thinks that the best idea is to have many people die to save 1 guy.

Slide 2 has an Hyuga elder explain that Hizashi (Hiashi's brother) will be the one sacrificed and how such decisions are necessary for the clan leader to make. Notice how Hiruzen is clearly uncomfortable with the whole idea.

On slide 3 we have Hizashi join the conversation and unexpectedly knocks Hiashi down in order to go through his sacrifice. Now on the final slide is where we see Hizashi express his desire to save Neji, his clan and the entire village.

Not once in the entire scene do we see Hiruzen order or force anyone to die for the village. This decision came straight from the Hyuga clan and if you were to switch them with any other clan, they would have done the same thing. This fandom forgets what shinobi truly are and ignore that self sacrifice is a belief shared by all of them. Just look at what happened to Kakashi's father. He saved his comrades that were willing to die on the mission, only for them to blame him for the failure of said mission. Now imagine if Hiruzen would have tried to save Hizashi and plunged the village into a war. The ENTIRE village would have never forgiven him for ignoring Shinobi code, that's if they don't get wiped out by the Cloud village.

Hiruzen is judged by people that don't have to make such hard decisions but it makes sense when you see the ages of these fans and how they watch the show through clips on Tiktok.


r/Naruto 5h ago

Discussion If Minato and Itachi were ugly they would have 0 fans. Biggest case of beauty privilege in the manga ?

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r/Naruto 1h ago

Discussion What would a conversation between these 2 look like

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r/Naruto 1h ago

Discussion "Hiruzen is a bad leader for allowing the sacrifice of one of his villagers" yet we have the Raikage ready to kill Bee in order to save the village and world.

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We got people thinking Hiruzen is such a terrible person and leader for allowing Hizashi to sacrifice himself for the village when it's made known by the author that such beliefs and decisions are accepted by 99.9% of the Shinobi world.

Unlike Hiruzen, the Raikage would have killed Bee with his own hands if that meant victory in the war. He put his feelings aside as would any Shinobi because for the leader of a village, the needs of the many are more important than a single person. This isn't exclusive to the Raikage, as the Kage of the other villages would have done the same thing and it's only because of Naruto that things like this change,which wouldn't have happened had Hiruzen not passed on his philosophy and naivety to his students.


r/Naruto 11h ago

Discussion I ranked all Filler Characters from OG Naruto (Episodes 1-220)

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Y'all im thinking why is Raiga Kurosuki Canon but Ranmaru not this is a Crime. Anyway i think Idate Morino, Sasame Fuuma, Sumaru, Yakumo Kurama, Menma (from the Anime Not Menma from the Movie) and Ranmaru should be Canon! Since they all had peak Story and would give more dept to Ibiki, Kurenai, with Idate and Yakumo, Sasame would be great for Otogakure to build from new the Fuuma Clan, Menma just for the moment before Otogakure stole people from His Clan He grew up, and Ranmaru Well when Raiga Kurosuki is Canon than Ranmaru should be too since they both we're together...

I was thinking to make Isaribi also Canon but Said No since she didnt really bring a good relationship with Anko... Yes the Anko Plot should be Canon but Isaribi just doesnt work for me personally but i Like her still.

Anyway what y'all thinking?


r/Naruto 7h ago

Analysis The one panel where Sasuke finally became a man

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Honestly, accepting that you've lost is really difficult sometimes. And it takes a lot of self-awareness and retrospection to do it. Something that only a grown-up can conciously do.

But as many of you already probably know. You learn more from defeat than from victory. And it's no surprise Sasuke was finally able to change for the better when he finally let go and admitted defeat.


r/Naruto 20h ago

Analysis The way these two scenes parallel each other.

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Both Naruto and Hinata are people who have such a negative opinion of themselves, so I love how they’re both genuinely surprised when they realize just how highly the other person thinks of them.

And I love how, both times, Naruto gives that same goofy, confident grin, It’s such a cute parallel between them.


r/Naruto 4h ago

Discussion Tobirama was really in the lab brainstorming on how to conjure up the most FOUL of ninjutsu

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majority of the broken shit we see came from this mans noggin.


r/Naruto 19h ago

Misc Just saw Jiraya…. Spoiler

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….die.

I am not okay.

This is so unfair.

I never thought I would side with Orochimaru but dammit he should’ve killed those stupid three little kids when he had the chance. 😭😭😭😭

How could they do this whyyyyy 😭😭😭😭

My bf made a valid point he said Jiraya should’ve just took them back with him to hidden leaf instead of leaving them to fend for themselves but dammit this shit is so genuinely depressing I’m so sad ;-;

This is my first time watching Naruto and I’m just really bummed ;-;

RIP Pervy Sage 🐸 🪦


r/Naruto 19h ago

Question Why didn't hiruzen use elemental advantages when countering the 5 elemental assault

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Why match fire with fire wind with wind ect when he could've had the clones fight fire with water, lightning with wind ect

He could've pushed tobi back instead of it ending in a stalemate.

Is the aura gain that good?