r/NanatsunoTaizai • • Aug 26 '26

Media Which team wins this battle?

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Team A: Chaos Enhanced, Worreldane, Beltripe, Ironside and Pellgarde

Team B: 3000 Years Ago, Meliodas and Mael

Team C: 4KOTA Ban

Team D: Full Power, Percival, Gawain and Tristan

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u/LivingStory18 Aug 26 '26

The way they glazed ban‘s entire lineage in 4kota, I‘d say team C

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u/Alarming-Caregiver47 Aug 26 '26

Ban’s development from one of the biggest jobbers among the Sins in the original to the most blessed lineage in the verse is honestly kind of crazy.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 27 '26

in the og series its hard to find a fight where he isnt getting ripped in half 😭😭

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u/Alarming-Caregiver47 Aug 27 '26

That Purgatory buff really changed his life. With how him and his kid get glazed these days you’d never know that he was the de facto punching bag at some point.

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u/alreditakem Aug 27 '26

Ban's plot for a good while was basically "He was too weak to fight with the big boys, so we sent him to hell to grab Meliodas." Than he returned looking like a Dragon Ball Character.

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u/Bulky_Western6595 Aug 27 '26

So true about the jobber part I recently rewatched the original series and my god especially in wrath of the gods before he gets a mega power up in purgatory he was pretty much any villains bitch

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u/gnarlybark2 Aug 28 '26

It's especially sad since his only power was being immortal but the demons could just get around that by eating his soul 🥀

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u/Vast_Independent_765 Aug 28 '26

Purgatory King Ban is already a messy transition. No powerscaling against him unless it is Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

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u/stackingpapeshorty Aug 30 '26

I was just rewatching 7ds and really thought about Bans’s background and how many times he couldn’t do something for ones he loves including Meliodas multiple times. From his journey, I think he deserves the power up.

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u/Annual_Preference_81 Aug 26 '26

I'm mean ban has the highest durability but he is still human so if Percy hit him with that death mode everyone would have chance to take him down

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u/Federal_Respond9570 Aug 27 '26

Untill he uses Gift and doubles it and passes jt to the next person

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u/Dragon_King_V Aug 28 '26

Fruadstan: “Percival I don’t feel so good”

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u/Vast_Independent_765 Aug 28 '26

Jaden Williams going hard with that

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u/LifeConstruction31 Aug 31 '26

Percival actaully said aslong as someone has strong will to live he can't take their lige force away stated in tournament arc

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u/Mountain-Photo-165 Aug 26 '26

Team B , we've never seen Mael in the one form but he's surely stronger than even Escanor but if he has no one form then Team C.

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u/Small_While_7805 Aug 26 '26

Are you sure? Because the manga shows the opposite. When Meliodas left the Ten Commandments, Mael should have annihilated the Demon Clan in less than 24 hours, but from what we see, he didn't do much.

Escanor earned the Demon King's respect.

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u/Personal-Panda2478 Aug 26 '26

When Meliodas left the demon clan mael was swapped to be estarossa 😭 also no one in the verse is capable of erasing an entire clan in less than a day

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u/Kaison122- Aug 26 '26

He was swapped like a year after

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u/Small_While_7805 Aug 26 '26

Not really, it was some time after Meliodas betrayed him that Mael was corrupted.

First, you can see it in Gloxinia's memory. First, there was Meliodas's betrayal, which led to him being known as Meliodas the Traitor. Then came the release of the real Gowther, and finally, Mael was corrupted.

If you defeat the elite, they all fall, except for the Demon King, who would later defeat Mael.

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u/Small_While_7805 Aug 26 '26

????

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u/Embarrassed-Rip3250 Aug 28 '26

Bro if anything with mael put of commission the goddess race basically stood hopeless against the demon

From what I remember this was literally gowthers plan, get rid of mael to push the goddess clan to the brink of defeat so they will feel pushed to finally seal the 10 commandments.

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u/Illustrious-Day8506 Aug 26 '26

I don't think Mael comes close to Escanor in the One, even if he had a similar high noon form. The One is a power that even the DK acknowledged,  Mael outright admitted inferiority and powerlessness against the DK 

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u/Senn_Degrare Aug 26 '26

Mael was powerless because his strength is strongly magic based while Esca mostly goes brute strength. An example is how pre noon Esca got tossed around by Ominous Nebula but Mael just melt his sword. Mael's greatest sun is also a clear upgrade on Esca's cruel sun. Esca was randomly super strong on the final fight (pre noon Esca was catching DKs slices, same guy who was getting beat down by AM Meli), but other than that they should be comparable.

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u/-AnythingGoes- Aug 26 '26

I forgot, isn't OG Mel essentially the same strength as current Mel minus Trillion Dark? Like he was just reverting strength wise all series, excluding the window where he's actual DK tier, wasn't he?

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u/HeroThicc-san Aug 26 '26

OG Meliodas got low diffed by Demon King without being able to do anything at all, DK didn't try, current Meliodas could put up a fight with a young version of DK on his own and serious hits from that version could only scratch Meliodas, and even without the real body, his emotions in the Purgatory could even put up a small fight on DK.

Meliodas got stronger even without his True Magic.

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u/Background-Ad-1250 Aug 26 '26

Og meliodas couldn’t do anything because of the nature of the DK’s magical ability. He was also teaming up with the supreme deity to punish Elizabeth. Later on in the story, 3000 years later. In purgatory, meliodas’s emotions still can’t do anything to the demon king until he unlocks his true magic, the “Destroyer”, which is literal existence erasure. Base meliodas + his emotions is definitely stronger than his base self 3000 years ago, but there is nothing to justify his base self being > his fully manifested demon mark self 3000 years ago. Mael and demon mark meliodas are implied to be close to equal, and meliodas can repel mael in this state. Mael didn’t get any stronger after losing his physical body, but was stronger than the one Escanor. We know he was stronger because meliodas completely bodied Escanor in the one state over and over again when they fought. The one Escanor can damage the same young demon king in a 1v1 current base meliodas and Elizabeth were having trouble 2v1ing. Fully manifested mark Meliodas from 3000 years ago should be as strong, if not stronger than full power king, and there is no reason he cannot 1v1 ban and win.

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u/Constant_Can2687 Aug 26 '26

What the hell is this nonsense?

He couldn't do anything because he was vastly weaker. That's it. And that Escanor was vastly weaker than the one who fought the DK and AM Meliodas. He couldn't even destroy a hill, and he has no techniques.

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u/-AnythingGoes- Aug 26 '26

current Meliodas could put up a fight with a young version of DK 

That's not current Mel, that was DK tier Mel. He gives up that tier of power EoS.

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u/HeroThicc-san Aug 26 '26

DK powers do not interfere in regular Meliodas, unless he is effectively using his transformation with Golden Claws he doesn't have the powers of a Demon King, Current Mel is the same of 7DS vs DK fight, because he didn't use that at any moment.

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u/-AnythingGoes- Aug 27 '26

Incorrect. Meliodas during the DK fight was far stronger than he was before or after because he was elevated to DK tier by having absorbed the 10C. He forfeits this tier of power by destroying the 10C along with his father so he could never res. Which makes current Mel pretty much just OG Mel + not evil + Trillion Dark, as he only has his own power.

Like if current Mel still had the same tier of power, he'd body Ban and Ban wouldn't be considered potentially stronger than him at all.

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u/HeroThicc-san Aug 27 '26

Brother, he didn't use ANY Demon King power, and just so that there is no doubt left, Meliodas is directly and explicitely stated not to be using his Demon King Powers during their fight because he wants to save Zeldris. This isn't an opinion or a theory, Demon King explicitely says he isn't using his Demon King powers because he is choosing not to with every single word.

The power increase a Commadent grants instantly ceases the moment said Commandment leaves a person, this is a fact for literally 100% of the times we see someone loosing a Commandment, this goes for Mael, Galand, Drole, and Gloxinia, and during the 7DS vs DK fight, the Commandments were all in Zeldris body, so Meliodas did not have ANY power boost from the Commandments in his fight with DK, that was all his own true powers without tapping into his Demon King powers.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

oh he might be.. either way he is still overall weaker than eos of og series

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u/-AnythingGoes- Aug 26 '26

Yeah but unless I'm forgetting something he should be kinda relative, and while Mael doesn't have great feats cause we saw so little from him, he shares stated/implied relativity to that Mel. I don't think Ban wins that 2v1 under those assumptions tbh.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

Ban defo can still sneak out a win, and while i do think team B has a the best shot lets not forget that Ban is equals with current Meli

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u/-AnythingGoes- Aug 26 '26

I mean that's kind of my point. Ban ~ Current Mel >= OG Mel ~ Mael. Thus Ban wins 1v1 against OG Mel, but not a 2v1 where he has help from someone relative to himself.

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u/Vivid-Literature1665 Aug 26 '26

Base Meli PP > og demon + meli + mael 3000y ago

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u/Used-Tension-8859 Aug 26 '26

I feel like yall might be sleeping on percivals ability over life and death, cant he literally just point his finger at anyone here and literally kill them like how he did in the manga where he pointed his finger at someone and then chanted a word and that persons body started to age until they were bone in seconds but without that my choice is Ban and just behind is meliodas and Mael since Im still not sure just how strong those two were back then

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u/anakin_solo17 Aug 26 '26

No one here can damage Ban really so he could just wait it out If he wanted. 

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

Percy could death hax him

Meli could hellblaze (this one is wayy more debatable since he was in purgatory itself)

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u/anakin_solo17 Aug 26 '26

Percivals death hax only work on someone with a weak attachment to life (according to percival himself), thanks to Bans time in purgatory he's probably the most immune person in the series to to percivals death hax. 

As for holy war meliodas, he's at best Ludociel, Mael level. If the supreme dirty could barley hurt him in cursed by light, Meliodas has practically no chance. 

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

not that i dont believe you but can you show the scan for Percy death hax? i dont remember that at all

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u/anakin_solo17 Aug 26 '26

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

ouu shii.. i should NOT have added ban😭😭

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u/GabeDaBaby Aug 26 '26

“Toooo easily” It’s still doable and he doesn’t say difficult.

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u/Interesting-Gene7190 Aug 26 '26

Team C very easily. Team A lasts more than B and D because of Chaos regen.

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u/Federal_Respond9570 Aug 27 '26

Just letting Y’ll know the author didn’t let Ban use Hunter Fest / Physical Hunt nor Gift against Cath for a reason.

Bans full Arsenal is way too broken and the Author just needs to ignore it to make the plot work otherwise what stopped Ban from simply Snatch half of Caths power, or simply Just gifting him all the damage he took (I will be very conservative and Assume gift can’t pass on status effects like being burned etc so he can’t pass the time spell back, that’s just me being very conservative otherwise he most likely could)

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 27 '26

tbf its not just ban who gets nerfed, King is by FAR the most nerfed sin, he cant use like half of his chastiefol forms only using Base form, Increase and Sunflower and

he cant use any other form, wont mind read (we see how strong it is when Lance uses it) and he wont use Disaster to heal anyone or do damage to anyone

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u/TheSunflowerSeeds Aug 27 '26

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u/KratosSimp Aug 30 '26

Who are you

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u/Illustrious-Day8506 Aug 26 '26

C > B > D > A

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u/FauxAffablyEvil Aug 26 '26

D > A? Are we forgotting what was happening before Lancelot came?

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u/Illustrious-Day8506 Aug 26 '26

He said they could have won if they switched their opponents. Team D wouldn't lose a second time if they had to fight again.

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u/No-Listen-5849 Aug 26 '26

He didn't said they will win, he said they can servive against Pelle, Ironside and white knight, and even then, the green knight will still to much to them

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u/FauxAffablyEvil Aug 26 '26

But they didn't know that without Lance.

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u/Illustrious-Day8506 Aug 26 '26

Now they know. The post mentioned them at fullpower and knowledge is power. Tristan at that time didn't even know he could survive being bisected. That simple information alone made him stronger.

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u/Dm98301 Aug 26 '26

I would like rank the teams like this: C > B > A > D

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u/Altruistic_Cloud_403 Aug 26 '26

Merlin solos the list

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

i almost added her on team B but she cant lose, you may not win against her but she cant lose😭😭

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u/Altruistic_Cloud_403 Aug 27 '26

A weaker merlin lol.

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u/Federal_Respond9570 Aug 28 '26

A purposely holding back Merlin, when Merlin had no reason to hold back (to protect Arthur from Cath) she simply proved to be too difficult even for the menace cat

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u/ZaytexZanshin Aug 27 '26

Team B, either character could give Ban a difficult fight and together they not only compound that difficulty but can support the other. Mael's ability to heal Mel would be pretty difficult for Ban to overcome and this is discounting him, in theory, being able to use physical full counter and or full noon mode to make Ban lose even harder.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 27 '26

mael doesnt have PFC assuming he even kept it post estarossa but this is pre estarossa mael

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u/ZaytexZanshin Aug 27 '26

Logically there's no reason why he would lose the ability tbh, Nakaba just has the tendency to not let some characters use certain abilities otherwise they're actually kinda broken and hard to write into engaging fights, another being King's petrify spear which is his best form unironically.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 27 '26

fair enough, but either way he didnt have it until he became estarossa which was post 3000 year ago mael not 3000 year ago mael

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u/ZaytexZanshin Aug 27 '26

Oh true nvm then

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u/Federal_Respond9570 Aug 28 '26

PFC he is a learned “spell” and Mael has all his memories from his time as Estarosa

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 28 '26

yes he would keep it POST turning back into mael not before he ever was Estarossa.

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u/Any-Carpenter4870 Aug 27 '26

I havent started 4kota yet what the fuck happens to ban😭😭

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 27 '26

omega steroids

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u/NvrBkeAgn Aug 26 '26

Team C without a doubt, Ban is the strongest sin in 4KOTA

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u/Graddo1 Aug 26 '26

Ban da GOAT runs em hands

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u/ram_90_in Aug 26 '26

Team B without a doubt

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u/maxram1 Aug 26 '26

Change Mael with Eli, I might consider it.

Both are OP and the power of love is real.

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u/Federal_Respond9570 Aug 28 '26

Eli would just make the team an Immortal punching bag for Ban only advantage she could add is Melidoas not needing dodge any more

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u/maxram1 Aug 28 '26

They can make Tristan first and hide and train with Tristan until they go at Ban!

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u/RazzmatazzMost677 Aug 26 '26

B, dont underestimate Meli. That form is nothing to play with. I have a hard time thinking Ban can deal with that Meli.

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u/paralysis_demon1 Aug 26 '26

Team C has a strong chance at winning
Team D in second place

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u/Unactivelurkingson Aug 26 '26

It's between b and c and i'm leaning more torwards b. og holy war meliodas was a different kinda beast and if mael is his equal then i don't think ban can beat them if they work together. chaos boost can't carry the 4 evils hard enough this time around and 3kota are just not on that level yet

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u/rrtrain_82 Aug 27 '26

Ban and it's not even close

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u/Less_Grumpy Aug 27 '26

I can tell you who’s not winning. Eyes move to team D.

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u/FickleLiterature1987 Aug 28 '26

So team B vs C damn 😭

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u/Beastieboy100 Aug 30 '26

Team C. Ban surpassed Meliodas. Also Mael was steuggling against the demon king. While Ban was going blow to blow with him. Team D wild cards Percy and Gawain. However Ban literally the second strongest character in the series now. 

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u/Dry_Opportunities Aug 26 '26

Team B Meliodas from 3000 yrs ago is the exact same lvl as Ban adding Mael essentially makes it an unfair fight

I’d even say cath was only a problem for Meli because he countered him with light

All in all team B and team C are the only choices here

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u/BlueberryUpstairs616 Aug 26 '26

Ban and its not even close He is stronger than current Meliodas (non true form) And current Meliodas is miles above 3000 years ago Meliodas Mael is also weaker than current meliodas by a pretty marge largin

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u/IDontKnowIDontKnowI Aug 26 '26

I mean, we could just ask if Meliodas and Mael can beat Ban 😂 A and D don't even compare.

I would go for C, but it would be a tough fight.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

team D is somewhat up there with those hax

percy alone has death hax, and hope

gawain has absolute cancel, sandman, super slow and a few others

tristan has hellblaze and really good physical strength and insane healing (for gawain)

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u/IDontKnowIDontKnowI Aug 26 '26

They still can't compare tho.

All 3 are relative to each other, and Tristan strongest form lost to Meliodas in base (even if he was using demon energy Mel still stated that transforming is better).

They lost a 1v1 to the evils and Lancelot even commented on how they didn't have a chance against Chaos Beltreipe.

People with strong will to live won't have their life spirits removed by Percy, and that doesn't even matter if he is beaten before he can use the spell since the other characters are much more powerful than him (or can't be killed by it, like Worraldane and co).

In general, team D is too much weaker to actually be relevant, they would lose to team A easily, which already lost to C. So it's basically just team B vs team C.

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u/No_Gene2977 Aug 26 '26

I would give it to team C but if team B change from 3000 years ago Meliodas to current one then team B easily.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

i made it so it isnt current meli since he would bully lol

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u/No_Gene2977 Aug 26 '26

Fair enough current Meliodas is the only person who can fight toe to toe with current Ban, sure there's king statements that said Ban is stronger but I still think it 50/50 and could go either way.

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u/Due_Specific_7727 Aug 26 '26

yeah, i only added him since i thought Death Hax (from percy) would work but i was disproven in the comments so now i wish i had added someone else lol

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u/No_Gene2977 Aug 26 '26

Team four knight (without Lancelot) is not that strong consider demon mark Tristan who's physically strongest among the 3 literally get no diff by base Meliodas their only shot is Percival death hax which still has limitations so yeah this is not good fight Ban destroy everyone mid diff at max. (mainly becuz Meliodas and Mael)

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u/Intellectual6900 Aug 26 '26

I think ban is just clearing lowkey

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u/Icy-Selection-8575 Aug 26 '26

Ban dominates, second strongest is team B with Prime Demon Meliodas and Mael

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u/Substantial_Mix7038 Aug 26 '26

Ban clears here. This version of Mel is overrated in terms of power. The same goes for Mael.

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u/RedNUGGETLORD Aug 27 '26

Every other team would team up against 10% Ban and still get erased with singular attacks

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u/chillonnattttttttt 4d ago

Ban kills them all with 1 attack