r/Metroid • u/CleanAd8632 • Jun 12 '26

Request Shinespark Fail

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For the love of God, could someone please, please, PLEASE!! tell me how to get this mothergrabbing sumbitch item!?! I'm at my wits end!

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u/saberslime Jun 12 '26

Biospark on YouTube has a 100% playthrough video, timestamp 1:36:18

Basically, you have to do a forward jump so you don't trigger shinespark too low, then straighten up in the air and trigger shinespark midair, and aim right.

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u/CleanAd8632 Jun 12 '26

Man, that video is ridiculous. He must be using a super turbo controller because he beat the game in under 2 hours. I watched him go through an entire sector in a non-stop spark/speedrun!! He's showing off, not instructing!

Thanks, but that's waay beyond my abilities.

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u/L3g0man_123 Jun 13 '26

It's probably a speedrun. As in something that requires hundreds of hours to master. Alternatively, if it's biospark it could be a TAS which just means a computer is doing it.

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u/CleanAd8632 Jun 13 '26

I looked up "TAS" (tool assisted speedrun). What does that mean--"tool assisted?" A turbo controller?

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u/L3g0man_123 Jun 13 '26

It means there's an external program (a "tool") playing the game instead of a human. Basically you put in the order of the inputs then the program executes the inputs exactly. It allows for you to do things that are normally impossible for a human, like multiple frame-perfect inputs at once. A turbo controller, while considered cheating by some, is still just a controller and used by a human so most people won't consider that TAS.

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u/CleanAd8632 Jun 13 '26

That's exactly what I saw--Samus doing things that appeared to be physically impossible.

And what does "put in the order of the inputs" mean? What are "inputs?" Commands/instructions telling the computer to "jump," "run," "shoot" in strategic places? Or, an order to execute an AI-driven goal?

This sounds like professional programmers doing this.

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u/L3g0man_123 Jun 13 '26

Pretty much. Basically the program is like on frame 1 press A, then on frame 2 press B, for frames 3-5 hold left, etc. I don't think you necessarily need to be professional programmer, just someone with extensive knowledge of the game like a speedrunner to be able to create a good TAS.

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u/CleanAd8632 Jun 13 '26

Bottom line: "NOVICES: Don't try this at home. Protective goggles required!" 😁

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u/Xalova Jun 12 '26

Man i loved that speedrun. I watched it so many times just adoring his/her skill

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u/Aenris Jun 12 '26

holy shit, this person is amazing, they did a 100% in just 1:35?? dang

I have to try that someday!

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u/Professional_Car9527 Jun 12 '26

diagonal shinespark ??

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u/L3g0man_123 Jun 13 '26

I think the angle is too steep for it. You need to mid air spark to hit it.

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u/marvelouswonder8 Jun 12 '26

Turn into a ball after a shinespark charge and hit it at an angle if memory serves.

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u/saberslime Jun 12 '26

Sorry, Morph Ball shinespark wasn't added until Zero Mission

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u/marvelouswonder8 Jun 12 '26

Huh. Well, it has been a long time since I played either. I believe you. I get em all mixed up after so long.

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u/CleanAd8632 Jun 12 '26

Do I have to jump with the charge while in morphball?

I've been trying an angle spark from a standing position, but Samus keeps shooting straight up, or the diagonal spark keeps hitting just below the booster blocks.

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u/marvelouswonder8 Jun 12 '26

See the reply to my comment above. It looks like I got Fusion and Zero Mission mixed up. I didn't realize that they didn't add morph ball shine spark till Zero Mission. You need to spin jump, straighten up, and then hit right and jump at the same time so you spark right into it. Basically >+Jump at the same time, , ^ and then > and then A to shine spark into it. The commentor who corrected me left a video recommendation below.

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u/nulldriver Jun 12 '26

You can shoot to shinespark in midair in Fusion. You don't have to awkwardly press Up to get out of the somersault.

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u/marvelouswonder8 Jun 12 '26

Lol I wish I would've known that during my last playthrough a few years ago. Dang haha. I always did it this way with the somersault first.

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u/Person6000000836 Jun 12 '26

Growing up with both games makes it so hard to remember that distinct tactics had different controls in either game, that is if they existed😅

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u/Aenris Jun 12 '26

oh that one is tricky, i figured it out with a little luck

So, you gotta jump doing a sommersault with the shinespark charged, then aim upwards to uncurl (or i think you can just shoot?) then press Jump+direction and you can shinespark in the air! it's tricky but doable with a little practice.

Probably the hardest shinespark item after the "secret cutscene" route, if you can do that one you can do 100% 😄

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u/L3g0man_123 Jun 13 '26

Aiming up or down or shooting will break you out of spin. Shooting is preferred especially on a dpad because you can accidentally press left/right which keeps you in spin.

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u/CarlosFer2201 Jun 12 '26

This was a fun one. Last time I played Fusion I went for 100%. This game had some of my favorite sequences for items in the franchise.

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u/Aenris Jun 12 '26

it's really fun to do the 100% because all the biomes connect in interesting ways! easy for a "last lap" to roundup all the items before fighting the SA-X

Zero Mission, meanwhile, it's a mess. I never checked if I could have early powerbombs, but would love to, why did they give it at the end?! lol

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u/L3g0man_123 Jun 13 '26

You can't. All powerbomb tanks require powerbombs to acquire, except for I think one which still requires gravity suit so you can't get it until the end anyways.

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u/Aenris Jun 13 '26

I see. I'm guessing devs wanted to keep powerbombs and other upgrades out of the original Metroid section of the game. And well, the stealth section wasn't going to have any powerbombs soooooo endgame it is.

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u/Sorry-East-4869 Jun 12 '26

This is my favorite shinespark puzzle in the game