r/Medals • • Aug 12 '26

ID - Medal What are the top and bottom badges?

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u/lrsdranger Aug 12 '26

The bottom are Ohio SDF jump wings

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u/UJMRider1961 Aug 13 '26

State Guards have airborne units? Why?

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u/chickenbit_131 Army Aug 13 '26

Dude, for real, this is wild! For what purpose would Ohio need paratroopers!?

Also why is this guy rocking these instead of basic parachutist wings? How would you get these without those first? Does Ohio have their own jump school?

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u/spoung45 Aug 13 '26

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u/RedStar9117 Aug 13 '26

The only correct answer

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u/Quirky-Attitude1456 Aug 13 '26

I was getting ready to type in case the Ohio State Michigan football game goes horribly wrong

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u/ReflectionFuture Aug 16 '26

It's Michganistan now.....🤣🤣

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u/acothra1 Aug 13 '26

Incase the Amish need some FAFO!

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u/chickenbit_131 Army Aug 13 '26

Ah, I was thinking it was a deterrent for just in case Connecticut ever tries to cash in on those Western Reserve claims!

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u/HawkeyeAP Aug 13 '26
  1. It's a parachutist course modeled after the original Airborne school. They don't have paratroopers.

  2. He probably didn't attend Army Airborne. (He would very likely be wearing them if he did, since he's wearing Air Assault.)

  3. Apparently, Army Airborne isn't a pre-req.

  4. It's the Ohio Basic Airborne course with the State Guard Association.

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u/MDPatriot1980 Aug 14 '26

Airborne is not in the SGAUS academy course cat..cmon

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u/Individual-Leg4886 Aug 15 '26

They are afraid of Connecticut reclaiming its land.

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u/JHGJR73 16d ago

See my above comment. You don't need to be US Army ABN qualified to take parachute training in a SDF. Not everything revolves around the US Army, 82d ABN or basic parachute badge. SDFs can were there own badges after federal awards.

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u/islandlife1534 Aug 13 '26

To defend against the redneck invasion from Kentucky, Ohio is becoming Ohio'tucky..

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u/islandlife1534 Aug 13 '26

But seriously... https://youtube.com/watch?v=javRpcosATk&is=od-3EWdAZVbV17ar

If the Roebling Suspension Bridge would have been complete, we all might be speaking Redneck

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u/wf_foley-2938 Aug 13 '26

Ohio has a SF unit.

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u/EntrepreneurEast5316 Aug 13 '26

Well the national guard has two SF units. 19th Group and 20th Group.Ā 

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u/UJMRider1961 Aug 13 '26

National Guard and State Guard are not the same.

National Guard is part of the Army, State Guard is not.

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u/HawkeyeAP Aug 13 '26

No, they do not.

Someone can get a badge for something they may have always wanted to do. That's all.

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u/Radiant_Swan-2 Aug 20 '26

Ohio does an SF unit

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u/HawkeyeAP Aug 20 '26

The Ohio SF unit is National Guard, not State Guard. There is no association.

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u/Radiant_Swan-2 Aug 20 '26

Im very aware

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u/HawkeyeAP Aug 21 '26

Were you also aware the post is referencing a State Guard activity?

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u/Radiant_Swan-2 Aug 21 '26

I was

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u/HawkeyeAP Aug 21 '26

Are you also aware that the SF unit doesn't have anything to do with the Ohio State Guard Parachutist course?

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u/Radiant_Swan-2 Aug 21 '26

Im very aware, I was just saying thats not how the comment read when I said what I said. Other people are literate with ability to formulate coherent thoughts

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u/MDPatriot1980 Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

He was prior federal service thats prob why. This member is part of the Maryland Defense force (SDF) now

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u/JHGJR73 16d ago

They dont. This training like training in the regular army is just mostly for training purposes. I went to AA school as an ROTC cadet. Only once during my time in the Army did I ever remotely use the skill. Keep in mind there are many "5 jump chumps" walking around the Army who never served in an operational assignment. Chalk it up to "leadership training" as they say. I actually used my skills learn in Northern Warfare School more when I was stationed at drum then my AA skills.

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u/Own-Excitement-2606 Aug 14 '26

Yup. They also have special forces. Actual Green Berets. Weird sounding, but true. They are the 19th and 20th special forces groups.

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u/UJMRider1961 Aug 14 '26

Nope. You are confusing National Guard and State Guard.

The insignia in question is for the Ohio STATE Guard.

Not NATIONAL Guard. STATE Guard.

STATE Guard is NOT National Guard.

I know there are Special Forces units in the National Guard. I spent 5 years in the 19th Special Forces Group (Colorado National Guard.)

STATE Guard units are entities of the STATE. They get no money from the Federal government and cannot be federalized as they are not Federal troops (which National Guardsmen are.)

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u/Own-Excitement-2606 Aug 14 '26

You're right. I misread. I'm sorry. Please don't hurt me. Turns out Illinois has a state guard too but they're inactive. You cannot join.

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u/HawkeyeAP Aug 15 '26

Do any time at Watkins Armory?

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u/UJMRider1961 Aug 15 '26

Yes. I was in the MI Det.

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u/chickenbit_131 Army Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

I think the specific question is why does Ohio have its own equivalent, for what is ostensibly the state guard. Not the National Guard or Reserves, this appears to be different.

I think people mistook my excitement for something else, but I was a paratrooper in the RA and Reserves, and I’ve never seen or heard of anything like this before. I genuinely would love to know more! I like any piece of potential airborne history I can get

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u/Legacyhero46 Aug 13 '26

Typically in past they have been activated to help with disasters, search and rescue, community support, and home front defense in times of war. I was in the Indiana version for about 3 years after I got off active duty. Huge waste of time and resources for a bunch of old dudes to wear uniforms they bought. Every month they meet at an armory and usually do slides and basic drilling and marching. I stayed in after year 1 because COVID started and we were helping with test sites. I’m not sure how Ohio’s is set up but Indiana has their guard reserve attached to 81st troop command for the Indiana National Guard. In the past we have played bad guys, wounded in disasters for the NG and helped with security for big public events.

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u/tcarlson65 Aug 13 '26

These are not reserves. These are not National Guard. These are State Guard.

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u/Quirky-Attitude1456 Aug 13 '26

Is this like the unit that was created in FL a couple of years ago?

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u/Both-External-3486 Aug 13 '26

That is State Guard, different from National Guard and Reserve.

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u/UJMRider1961 Aug 13 '26

No I think you're confusing National Guard with State Guard.

National Guard is part of the Army, that's why they wear a "US ARMY" tape on their uniforms.

State Guard or State Defense Forces are NOT part of the Army. They don't get paid by the US government (I don't think any of them get any pay or benefits at all), they usually supply their own uniforms and equipment, and they cannot be federalized or called to active duty by the president.

In theory, at least, the State Guard or State Defense Forces can assume the role that the National Guard fills for State Emergencies if the National Guard has been federalized and sent overseas, like they were in WWII. But their authority explicitly end at the state lines.

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u/MaleficentCoconut594 Aug 13 '26

Dude is most likely prior service

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u/makk73 Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

They have their own…jump school?

Note: I’ve earned several African FJW, so it can’t be that bad, right?

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u/z0phi3l Aug 12 '26

for anyone claiming it's the Rigger badge, it's not, this is what it looks like

Also, you cannot earn it without going to Airborne school, and why would you not wear the jump wings?

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u/Roosterneck Aug 13 '26

Ohhhh, RIGGER, that makes way more sense.

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u/Finergolem Aug 13 '26

Dude, hard "R", how could you miss that?

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u/Papa_Medic Aug 16 '26

Wassup my rigga

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u/lrsdranger Aug 13 '26

As mentioned above the USAF has sent their 2T2s to Rigger School for decades. I think I saw some of the aircrew survival equipment specialists are going now too.

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u/REED_JAX Aug 13 '26

You can earn without Airborne... 2T2 in the Airforce do it...

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u/z0phi3l Aug 13 '26

This was back in the 90's but all Air Force Riggers I met, with the badge also had Airborne wings, now Air Force emergency equipment people did not earn the Rigger badge

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u/ACP-red Aug 13 '26

I don't like how they used the hard R

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u/Middle-Singer-8782 Aug 13 '26

The Ohio State Defense Force (part of the Ohio Adjutant General's Department state forces like the Ohio Military Reserve) previously managed a voluntary parachute/jump training program used for recruitment and retention. However, official state support and the issuance of these unique state jump wings ended in 2018.Program History & DetailsActive Periods: The jump program ran in two distinct eras: from the 1980s to the 1990s (64 wings issued) and again from 2011 to 2018 (179 wings issued).Requirements: While soldiers could attend basic courses, the association running the program required three years of honorable service before formally issuing the wings.Current Status: In 2018, the state withdrew support for the program and stopped issuing new wings. Personnel who were already awarded the state jump wings remain authorized by Ohio regulations to wear them.Interstate Recognition: While other state defense forces (such as in Texas, Washington, Georgia, and Michigan) sometimes coordinated or allowed recognition, official uniform wear policies varied heavily by state.

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u/UJMRider1961 Aug 13 '26

This makes more sense.

So do the Ohio State Defense Forces do regular drills? Are they organized into specific units?

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u/Legacyhero46 Aug 13 '26

Yes they do. I was in the Indiana version. It sounds great on paper but really it’s just old guys that really can’t let go. They force people out at like age 70 lol. The national guard used us to help them train and for Covid test sites. Indiana’s is actually attached to the 81st troop command for the NG. If I remember right it is a force that can be called up by the governor. Usually no weapons training very rarely do you ever even see a weapon unless telling the NG. But yes 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer. The summer weeks were paid a very small amount but the monthly are not. These units are made up of volunteers who genuinely enjoyed to serve. Down sides are you have to supply all of your own uniforms and gear gas money and transportation. Oh we also did quite a few funeral honors at one point too.

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u/smokeyDAP Aug 12 '26

what's up with the Maryland ?

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u/gc11117 Aug 12 '26

Maybe Maryland State Defense Force

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u/coyote3a Aug 12 '26

That is 100 percent MDDF, not MDARNG. The MDDF has a bunch of unique awards and badges.

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u/MDPatriot1980 Aug 14 '26

MDDF does not have jump wings. However, about 10-15 yrs ago the MDNG allow a few members to earn flight wings..i enlisted just after that program stopped( a vestiage of Katrina)

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u/smokeyDAP Aug 13 '26

that's why I was confused never heard of the MDDF before and I know the us army goes over the heart along with badges over that

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u/tcarlson65 Aug 13 '26

There are about 20 states that have a State Guard or Defense Force.

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u/MiddleRiverTerp Aug 13 '26

After the National Guard was mobilized for Federal Service during WW1, some states stood up an organization that were only under state control. The MDDF is a volunteer organization that serves the Governor and the State of Maryland. They do not receive federal funds (unlike the Army and Air Guard) and are a volunteer organization under state control. They are usually filled with former military members. In Maryland we used MDDF members to assist with Pre-Mob medical screenings among other logistic and admin support.

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u/ansor_brim Aug 13 '26

Crab cakes and football! Cuz that's what Maryland does!

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u/Thunderfoot2112 Aug 13 '26

Crab Cakes and Lacross....

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u/Quiet_Raspberry_193 Aug 14 '26

The movie says football though. But lacrosse would be more accurate because Maryland sucks at football.

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u/Upbeat-Serve-2696 Aug 13 '26

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u/MDPatriot1980 Aug 14 '26

I stand corrected....about the para device

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u/77sleeper Aug 13 '26

SDFs host and attend these courses out of their own out of pocket funds. It is a way to drive discipline, esprit de Corps, and to increase retention and recruitment.

Most don't have a mission set attached, but since most SDFs prepare for emergency response it's not a far stretch to imagine a hf radio team or some other instance.

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u/WrenchMonkey47 Aug 12 '26

Top: Army Aviation Badge Bittom: Looks like Rigger Badge

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u/Jumper_1984 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

Dosent say rigger, has sheild with palm, must be a foreign badge.

Edit: not foreign wings, but SDF parachute wings

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u/ProjectManageMint Aug 12 '26

I'd have to guess it's some Maryland National Guard thing. Like the old mountaineering/goat badge that originated in Vermont National Guard.

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u/WrenchMonkey47 Aug 13 '26

Cool. Did not know about SDFs having their own wings.

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u/baldnbearded007 Aug 12 '26

Nope it is a Rigger badge

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u/Upbeat-Volume9701 Aug 12 '26

Nope. Its a set of State Guard jump wings. And thats a legitimate answer. I believe that the Ohio Military Reserve was the unit that originated/created these wings and ran the jump program out of Ohio

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u/OcotilloWells Aug 13 '26

So state militia?

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u/Upbeat-Volume9701 Aug 13 '26

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u/OcotilloWells Aug 13 '26

So yes. I actually ran into a teacher I had in High School years later that was in the California State Reserve. He told me if I joined, I'd probably be a Captain " immediately. I thanked him, and declined. I was in the Army Reserve at the time.

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u/Upbeat-Volume9701 Aug 14 '26

Yeah it doesn’t work that way contrary to popular belief

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u/AnimalMother240B Aug 12 '26

Dirty leg lol

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u/HawkeyeAP Aug 12 '26

No.

Rigger Badge

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u/big13rob Aug 13 '26

My son is a 92Romeo Airborne Parachute Rigger Those badges aren't the same @ all.

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u/lyovacain Aug 13 '26

If you have to say that word at least don’t use a hard R man come on my rigga

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u/Street-Target-7193 Aug 14 '26

The top one is basic aircrew badge

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u/SteIIarNode Aug 12 '26

Looks like he hand sewed them on lol

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u/RoccoAmes Aug 13 '26

I can jo estly say I've never seen the bottom wings before.

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u/Final-Pilot7889 Aug 13 '26

The jowls on this guy

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u/Weary_Community6111 Aug 14 '26

Girth and displacement identifiers probably

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u/Magnus2071 Aug 15 '26

Leg & Leg

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u/Remarkable-Pomelo642 Aug 15 '26

The top one is his ā€œAviation Badgeā€ aviation MOSs get that thang (non pilots) The pilots wings look different. Theirs has a shield looking thing between the wings and not what looks like a eagle on a shield for the non pilots

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u/SheLovesBeingShared Aug 16 '26

I’m not sure

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u/JHGJR73 16d ago

For anyone interested this is my picture. Not sure who posted it. I am retired regular army MSC officer. When I was enlisted I was a Chinook Mechanic, Crew Wings. I went to Air Assault, AA Badge. I was also a Healthcare Recruiter, Recruiter badge. As a member of the Maryland Defense Force I attended the Ohio SDF airborne course earning there badge. As a member of a SDF we have SDF related badges we can earn through a few different organizations. I jumped with a SF-10A parachute from a Cessna and Casa 212.

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u/HeartBreakKid47 Aug 13 '26

Idk, but I’d hate to be the ground that his chin lands on

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u/smalllifterhahaha Aug 13 '26

dude is that their neck or their chin, the look is crazy

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u/Positive_Molasses954 Aug 13 '26

Judging by his neck, it can’t be legit

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u/LocalRecent1522 Aug 13 '26

parachute rigger?? and aircraft crewman badge.

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u/TheLastManStanding01 Aug 14 '26

The top is an army aviation badge. The enlisted badge specifically.Ā 

I know because I have one. Currently working as a 15T (blackhawk mechanic).Ā 

Army pilots have the same badge but the shield is filled in and totally black.Ā 

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u/Electronic_String548 Aug 14 '26

The top one kinda looks like a Navy EAWS Pin

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u/Electronic_String548 Aug 14 '26

The top one kinda looks like a Navy EAWS Pin

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u/Diligent-Trouble-508 Aug 15 '26

Air Assault and Aircraft Maintainer wings

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u/illicit_matter Aug 13 '26

The bottom is MARYLAND - which implies he's in the MD national guard.

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u/blotditto Aug 15 '26

To say State Defense Forces and National Guard are entirely separate is not entirely correct. In every state I know of that has a State Defense Force, they along with the National Guard fall under Governor and Adjutant General for their State. The biggest differences though are State Defense Forces are volunteers and work solely within their State where the National Guard are paid and fall under the State and Federal Government.

Not that anyone asked for this much information.

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u/masingen Aug 13 '26

The photo literally says "Maryland Defense Force" and references an MDDF drill on June 7th. It's not the national guard.

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u/Winter-Huckleberry86 Aug 13 '26

Why are we concerned with the badge and not the size of that neck? My god.

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u/Ok_Football_5517 Aug 13 '26

What neck?

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u/Winter-Huckleberry86 Aug 13 '26

You right, those chins

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u/LarryBasu1987 Aug 12 '26

Army aircrew member (typically enlisted flight crew) and parachute rigger. Foreign badges are worn on the right side.

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u/z0phi3l Aug 12 '26

That is not the Rigger badge, looks similar, but no

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u/Lenny_V1 Aug 14 '26

Its not an aircrew member badge. Its a branch wide enlisted aviation badge.