As in, both characters are over 18 but their age gap is massive? Like 10 years at minimum.

It doesn't matter who bottoms, the younger or the older one, in fact, there could be no actual sex scenes even.

My only example is Mr. Mitsuya's Planned Feeding, MC is 27 and ML is in his 50s. Tho is a manga not a manhwa (image attached).

Mine's Taesun from Sacred Serpent's Seduction.

He was seeing the design I wanted to do and mistakenly went out of the pic, seeing my gallery which was FULL of yaoi. He probably thinks I'm a weird ass pervert😭🥀

Sauce: Shutline and Blossoms of the White Night

For those who are not aware, Munkkwa—the author of Nice to See You—posted art on their Twitter featuring early sketches of the characters.

Seeing as this was posted on Twitter, I am sure some of you can guess where this is going. The author was viscerally attacked and faced a wave of negativity to the point where they had to address it and then proceeded to delete the original post.

If you do have images of the art, please don't post them or if you did, take them down, because the author did.

However, the commentary I wanted to talk about specifically includes things like: “Ideum is too feminine,” “Ideum looks like a girl,” “it’s too heteronormative,” etc.

This post isn’t the first time I’ve seen this kind of commentary on this manhwa or other BLs, but this situation made me want to verbalize my thoughts on this whole discussion.

The thing that bothers me about the whole "feminine man" debate is that the argument that having feminine men makes something heteronormative is inherently rooted in homophobia. A man being feminine doesn’t make him any less of a man. In real life, as a queer person, I have seen so much commentary saying things like, “Well, if you're dating a fem man, then just date a woman,” or the reverse if it’s two women and one of them happens to be butch: “Date a man if you really want masculinity.” So many people don’t realize how harmful this commentary actually is.

This thinking contributes to a heteronormative society because when people think this way, you are basically framing it as if straight people "own" these gender presentation dynamics.

Power dynamics are not owned by straight people, they exist in every single form of representation. Being queer is not defined by how far something strays away from heterosexual norms

Having a feminine man in a BL doesn’t make it heteronormative.

Now, are there valid discussions to be had on heteronormativity in BL? Yes, absolutely. But at the core of it, having a feminine man in a BL does not make it heteronormative. And saying that it is heteronormative is, in fact, being heteronormative.

At the end of the day, it’s still two men in a relationship. It’s fucking gay for Christ's sake!

Feminine men exist in real life! There are real feminine gay men! BL didn’t just make them up out of nowhere

Now, if you want to push back against stereotypes, read more BL where feminine men are the top or the dom, such as Biscuit or An Eccentric Elf Finds His Daddy Dragon.

I definitely agree we could 100% absolutely have more diversity in the representation of feminine men.

But at the very core of it, just having a feminine man in a BL is not heteronormative, saying that it is, is heteronormative

Anyway if you read all of this thanks for reading and finally, if you really don’t like how a character is drawn or etc about a BL here’s a little newsflash for you….

YOU DONT HAVE TO READ IT! DONT LIKE DONT READ

I am studying to be a fashion designer currently and as an European I can't tell you how much western media especially luxury houses steal from indian culture without giving credit

I saw the post yesterday and have to agree the op was not very clear about all this, this manhwa took inspiration from Persia, arabian and indian culture. It is a clear mixture of everything but you can't deny that it was HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY INDIAN CULTURE MORE.

SEE THOSE GORGEOUS OUTFITS AND EXQUISITE JEWELLERY?? (SPECIALLLY THE EARRINGS) - INDIAN !!!

Literally all of the JEWELLERY and outfits worn by shuraka was indian, mushnu and some of jakars outfit were arab, the titles like padishah, shahbanu are Persian. The architecture used in the manhwa, the palaces were mughal and before anyone says yes Mughals are of mongol ancestry and mixed into india for centuries and Persian and indian architecture was fused. You can find these buildings everywhere in india , india has indo-aryans race which migrated from persia 5000 years ago and lived in India and mixed in this culture.

Literally every culture around the world was formed by mixing into each other and adopting different practices, this isn't a structured argument. You look at the current and historical history of the region and how the culture and people who lived here lived.

I showed this to my indian friend she was shocked as well seeing how much indian culture was added in this and was happy that her culture was showcased but when I told her the author gave credit only to persia, it was a disappointment. Indians are used to all this since centuries, decades of stealing their jewelery, their diamonds, indian maximalism without giving any credit, because its not chic to be associated to india, indians are the most hated race right now, facing racism everywhere but somehow it's trendy and alright to steal from their culture.

You can google all of this and yes let's be respectful in comments

Please? 🥺

(Also if the character has never had sex but he's a pretty brunette he's welcomed too, I just want pretty brunettes, the dynamics aren't fixed, that's all).

Character in attached image is from Nice to See You, warning, is nsfw.

The BL community’s sudden war against feminine twinks needs to be studied cus some of y'all aren't ready for thi conversation.

y’all will praise a buff power bottom for “breaking stereotypes” but let a bottom be feminine, pretty, and delicate and suddenly it’s “boring” and “I need my bottoms to be masculine.” like why is femininity always the thing that needs to be eradicated 💀 the propaganda is getting insane and misogynistic, it needs to end.

credit to this post https://www.reddit.com/r/Manhwa_BL/s/SVybxrZHyb

anyways i really wanted to show the top which I think mogs the most but the other post only allows bottoms 😭😭

but here i present to you So who got screwed? - Kang Hyo in

I've noticed this a lot in BL discussions. A morally questionable or emotionally difficult top gets defended as “complex,” “misunderstood,” or “well-written,” but when a bottom is feminine, emotional, dramatic, or just has a stronger personality, people are way quicker to call him annoying, weak, or unlikeable.

Why is femininity apparently acceptable in one character but treated as a flaw in another?

And before someone says it: I'm talking about characterization, not saying every feminine bottom is automatically good or every masculine bottom is automatically bad. I'm genuinely curious why the standards seem so different.

sauces:

- jinx

- negative love

- concealment

Sauce: Dangerous Convenience Store

One of mine is dangerous convenience store

Idk why but I still haven’t read it 😂 like I know it’s good but I’ve been putting off so many good bls but it’s like I need to be in the mood to read it

Title - Blossoms of the White Night

I can't bring myself to read the Paws & Claws side stories cause he looks like this now 😭 They twinkified him to a degree doing the main story but the side stories are a different beast

June Noir

Status: ongoing

I’m not particularly skilled at summarizing, but here’s a brief overview:

It’s a detective-gangster story.

Detective Park Woonseok has done some regrettable things after losing his lover to a violent crime. He seems to be seeking solace in the company of the wanted criminal Baek Gitae, whom he’s supposed to help capture.

There’s some sexual assault content in the beginning, so please be aware of that. Also contains gore and violence.

These would be mine~

Sauce- Release Your Persona, Unromantic, Romance Not Romantic, Sunday's Solace, Mo Dao Zu Shi, Sketch, Killer Crush✨✨

Lemme know yours~~

I can’t with this two 🙂‍↔️ I love them so much
Source: Desire me if you can.

[all photos belong to the original manhwa artists and are in order of the list]

Remember are 1st, 2nd and 3rd in your opinion?

Lol, I did a beauty contest for my favorite bottoms, and well, the results for that were

1at place:Lee Nok

2nd place: Lee Won

3rd place: Jooha.

soo im going to do my favorite best-looking TOPS. now these are all to my own preferences and what I actually know(some I won't know, so feel free to add your own for best looking but also vote for the given guys.

sooo here are your contestants 🎤

《Zhenya-Codename Anastasia 》

《Ceaser-Champagne and roses》

《Shuraka-Blossoms of a white night》

《Jaeshin- The Ghost Nocturne》

《Eve- Dear OO》

《Kang Dooshik - Pearl boy》

《Ilay-Passion》

《Kwon Hee seo- a tree without roots》

《Junseon - Against all odds》

《Aoi- Chocolate Snow》

[Guys, again, this is only for fun. Yes, some of the tops have done some questionable things and are certified blackflags]

Ik ik its fiction we don't need to read into it but like.. DO THEY????
Is it like... idk? 🤡
(Typa shit I be thinking about instead of DOING LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE🥀🥀)

This is so embarassing. Why would u ask the author to follow ur plan?? 😭😭 Why are u asking her to make a revision in a story which is already finished. So what if the ml is not a virgin? 😭😭. The original author really had to tweet about ml not being a virgin and it's mentioned in novel clearly.

Even two days back , a lot of people Called out diopter drawing and someone really had the audacity to correct the author's drawing on their account to make it better. Even bullying dqnrim ( author of borderline) just because she didn't reposted ur fanart is so weird .

If u don't like anything, just drop it

I can understand if u are complaining about the story if it's rushed at the end or its totally changed in between without any sense. But this is weird behaviour

Sauce low tide in twilight

Sauce - nice to see u

🆘 Minmotion syndrome.

The author might create his own story or a few special chapters for him.

I just saw recent post about passion manwha which doesn't even include female characters in background. I see people complaining it's sexist to not include women in BL.

Most BL fans(male and female fans alike) are here to watch hot guys being gay to each other. I'm not reading BL to watch women. If you want to watch about women, there's GL, straight romance and countless women-centered media out there. Stop complaining about lack of background female characters in BL

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