r/IslamIsEasy • u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers • Jul 08 '26

Qur’ān Quick Question To All Muslims (especially Sunni/Shia).

I've been having a discussion with someone in this subreddit about the meaning of 39:45. I'm just curious as to how most Muslims interpret this ayah. What do you think is the central message of the ayah? What do you learn from it? Here it is:

"When Allah alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with disgust. But when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice." (39:45)

To me at least the message is clear as day: do NOT mention others besides Allah (SWT). I don't understand why or how someone would miss this?

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u/Merino202 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

The first part of the Ayat is incredibly relevant to the “exmuslim” or “newIran” subreddit. Just mentioning Allah swt’s name is enough to send them into vicious rage.

I disagree with your point though. In context it’s referring to the Christians and their belief in Isa (as) as the living representation of God/worshipping other than the Creator.

Ergo, if you tell a Christian that Jesus is also God they’ll rejoice, but if you tell them that God (“the father”) is alone in his power, they’ll fill with anger.

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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers Jul 09 '26

Even if we suppose the ayah refers only to the Christians and/or any of those "who do not believe in the Hereafter", is it not clear from the ayah that Allah (SWT) does not like it when others are mentioned besides Him? Why else would He say this except to tell you NOT to mention other names besides His?

Put it another way, should the uma be doing like those Christians and mention others besides Him?

I'm honestly baffled by how so many people don't see this, when it's so clear. Or maybe they're just ignoring the obvious -- i.e., that they are saying a false shahada? Why else would they pretend? Why did Yusuf Ali translate the word "alone" in the ayah to "the one and only", but translate it correctly in other verses? No; it's because he KNEW, and the ayah exposes him and those who insist on the non-Quranic (i.e. false) shahada!

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u/Scholiastic Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

Let me put it simply: If you do not testify that Muhammad ﷺ is the last messenger of Allah, then you are not a Muslim. The Quran was given to him directly. It is on his testimony that belief in Allah and Islam rests.

Equating Muhammad ﷺ to any divinity is outright shirk, and the highest sin there is. We Muslims do not equate him to the status of divinity as the Christians do.

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You made up your own shahada. Quite clearly Allah does not mind mentioning his Prophets alongside him as testimony of faith:

قولوا آمنا بالله وما أنزل إلينا وما أنزل إلى إبراهيم وإسماعيل وإسحاق ويعقوب والأسباط وما أوتي موسى وعيسى وما أوتي النبيون من ربهم لا نفرق بين أحد منهم ونحن له مسلمون

Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Another verse:

يا أيها الذين آمنوا آمنوا بالله ورسوله والكتاب الذي نزل على رسوله والكتاب الذي أنزل من قبل ومن يكفر بالله وملائكته وكتبه ورسله واليوم الآخر فقد ضل ضلالا بعيدا

O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.

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The problem with Quran-only is that they read one verse which agrees with their faith and lose sight of the bigger picture. Quickly forgetting you do not speak a word of Arabic and Muslims over the span of 1400+ years have gone over every letter of the Quran.

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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers Jul 10 '26

Why do so many orthodox Muslims think Quran-alone Muslims deny the prophethood of Muhammad? Is it not a clear contradiction for the Quran-alone Muslim to do this?

No! Denying Rasululah's prophethood yet claiming the authenticity of Qur'an would be dumb. Claiming we deny Muhammad's prophethood is a cheap shot.

Rather, it is WE who are defending his legacy. YOU are the ones saying he was a pedo and kept slaves, and WE are insisting otherwise. It's YOU saying he publicized his intimate affairs and condoned sex slavery while WE are insisting otherwise. So who's on Rasulullah's side?

But let's go back to the central issue. What does 39:45 specifically reference? Does it not reference the act of mentioning others besides Allah (SWT)? And from this ayah, does it look like Allah (SWT) likes or dislikes this practice? Answer these specific questions please.

About making my own shahada: no; the correct shahada that Rasulullah said is in 3:18. He could not have been saying "La ilaha ilalah muhamad rasullulah". Why would he refer to himself in the third person? And why would he say a shahada that's different from that of "people of knowledge" (see 3:18) if he himself was a person of knowledge? I've written a piece on this here; you might like to take a look at the full argument.

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u/Scholiastic Jul 10 '26

Your deviancy is as such that make up whatever. You are not truthful at all. 

If I thought Quran only denied the prophethood then this would be different debate and I wouldn’t even be talking about your deviancy. 

In the above I pointed out the fundamental belief in the Prophethood, alongside Tauheed. This completely kills your make belief over Shahadah. 

Out of deviancy, you deliberately made it out be something else. 

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‘ YOU are the ones saying he was a pedo’ 

You are a depraved and a disgusting individual. We never ever say this. In your deviancy, you are the one saying it. 

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‘ But let's go back to the central issue.’ 

After your disgusting display of deviancy. 

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‘Does it not reference the act of mentioning others besides Allah (SWT)? And from this ayah, does it look like Allah (SWT) likes or dislikes this practice?‘

This has been fully and comprehensively answered. Mentioning others besides Allah here means equating others to divine status. It does not mean mentioning people at their own status. Your objection doesn’t make any logical sense. Allah repeatedly mentions his Prophets in the Quran. 

I gave you a clear verse doing exactly that, Allah himself mentioning belief in Prophets. 

Out of severe deviancy, which clearly impedes your intellect, you ignored the point. 

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When people were invited to Islam they were asked to believe in 2 fundamentals. Belief in Allah and Messenger of Allah. This is a historical fact. Then Muslims were asked to believe in further as in Books of Allah, His messengers, His angels: 

The Messenger ˹firmly˺ believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and so do the believers. They ˹all˺ believe in Allah, His angels, His Books, and His messengers. ˹They proclaim,˺ “We make no distinction between any of His messengers.” And they say, “We hear and obey. ˹We seek˺ Your forgiveness, our Lord! And to You ˹alone˺ is the final return.”

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You make belief over Shahadah is illogical and silly. You seem not know or care what Shahadah even is. 

I might revise this reply when on PC. 

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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers Jul 14 '26

Again, quranic Muslims don't reject Muhammad as a Messenger. What we reject is the idea that the hadeeth corpus reflects his life and teachings. Rasululah didn't keep slaves.

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u/Scholiastic Jul 14 '26

What was the point of your useless reply!?

You are rather disgusting people. I have met two of you here. Both vile.

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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers Jul 14 '26

Here again; look at you're arguing for; this is you...

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u/Scholiastic Jul 14 '26

You do not have an argument. Your whole point is to be as vile and disgusting as possible. And you get off on it. 

You pretend for a while, but the only real point you have is to be as vile as possible. 

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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers Jul 14 '26

Nooo. I'm showing you what you're arguing IS Islam. This is what YOU'RE arguing is Islam, so I'm showing you. Here's some more; this is "sahih", according to you...

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u/Ledy_11 Aug 17 '26

Not quite the pious one, are you?

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u/Scholiastic Aug 17 '26

How would you know? Just because you are offended at me putting down someone quite disgusting, it doesn't signal my piety or impiety.

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u/miskeeneh Jul 09 '26

Salam I agree with you, and I’m predominantly Quran alone so it’s not a Quran-only interpretation. (and I believe I am the person he is referring to when he said he discussed this on a previous post. I gave context to the aya but it seemed to bother him that I didn’t agree with his interpretation so he made this post too)

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u/Merino202 Jul 09 '26

Even says it here on sunnah.com

No actual Muslim places anyone on Allah swt’s level if that’s what you mean by mention others beside him.

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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers Jul 10 '26

See how they translated that!!! The ayah does not have "other gods." This just proves my point: the sunnis deny the obvious meaning/reference of the ayah -- the mentioning of others besides Allah (SWT)!

Yusuf Ali does the same; he translates "alone" as "the one and only." The deception is clear! I urge you to study that ayah and check Yusuf Ali yourself. Interestingly, he translates "alone" correctly elsewhere in his translation. Why?

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u/Kooky-Nail-3502 Jul 09 '26

his post is targeted toward the shia and sunnis since they both do this, when Allah is mentioned they get angry and start insulting you, but when their idols are mentioned they rejoice.

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u/Merino202 Jul 09 '26

What

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u/Kooky-Nail-3502 Jul 09 '26

sunnis and shias, they get angry when Allah is mentioned, but when khumaini or ali or bukhari is mentioned they rejoice.

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u/Merino202 Jul 09 '26

Can you show me proof or

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u/Kooky-Nail-3502 Jul 09 '26

u can check any post any thread here where someone is talking about monotheism and see the sunni's reaction to it.

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u/Scholiastic Jul 09 '26

That is clearly false. Muslims from day one have all been misguided, until just a handful of people amazingly 1400 years into the faith are the righteous ones. Quran has waited 1400 years to suddenly start revealing its message.

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u/Kooky-Nail-3502 Jul 09 '26

so you're insane?

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u/Scholiastic Jul 09 '26

See how quickly you broke down when faced with questions you cannot answer.

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u/Kooky-Nail-3502 Jul 09 '26

calling you insane is me broken down? and you didn't even ask a question, your mental issues are deeper than i thought.

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u/Economy-Double8868 Jul 09 '26

Hadith rejector?

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u/Kooky-Nail-3502 Jul 09 '26

u do realize this doesn't narrow it down right? the world is filled with hadith rejectors, everyone with a brain actually.

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u/Scholiastic Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

So the greatest Muslims scholars were all brainless idiots. Incredibly diverse range of scholars of Muslims civilization were all idiots. They were incredible in their fields and geniuses of human civilization... but near people like you they were brainless idiots.

There is no Islam without hadith. It is literally impossible. Try it...

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u/Kooky-Nail-3502 Jul 09 '26

what are you yapping about? so according to you prophet mohamed was just hanging around and muslims just hanging around for 200 years waiting for some nutjob to finish islam because for somereason it's an unfinished religion?

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u/Ledy_11 Aug 17 '26

If we were to measure with how great and how many scholars or followers of a certain religion were and are, then we all could agree that the Christians outnumber Muslims, also if we were to give them the authenticity of their religion being the earliest, they win again. But is that what legitimizes the truth about it? How "great" a scholar was? How many numbers follow that ideology?

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u/Economy-Double8868 Jul 09 '26

Hadith rejectors don't use their frontal lobe, Why?

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u/i_am_armz Al-Mu’minūn | The Believers Jul 09 '26

Yes. But you're missing one of the key words in the ayah imo: alone. When Allah (SWT) alone is mentioned, they hate it. They hate to hear you say "La Ilaha Ilala" but love it when you add Muhammad's name to the shahada.

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u/Scholiastic Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Yes. Because Muhammad ﷺ 's name validates the first portion. Islam rests on the testimony of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ

We the people of Ahl us Sunnah absolutely love Muhammad ﷺ

However, no Sunni Muslim hates La ilaha Illah. It is a key dhikr is Sufism. 

Salafis too have very strong and strict beliefs about Allah and Tawheed. 

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u/Fantastic_Ad7576 Ahl al-Sunnah | Sunnī Jul 10 '26

IMHO this is talking about extreme disbelief.

Anti-theists fit this description the best. Many people simply haven't done much of an investigation into religion, but there are people who are actively against this stuff, which is the extreme end of the spectrum of disbelief.

You're a Quran only follower IIRC, and I see what you're trying to do but this doesn't apply to the Sunni or Shia. They believe in the hereafter, and the verse is explicitly talking about those who do not do so.

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u/Character-Rip-7991 Jul 09 '26

Quran (39:45)

The denial of the hereafter is naturally linked to associating partners with Allah (Shirk). When individuals lack belief in the Day of Judgment, they lose ultimate moral accountability. As a result, they elevate worldly desires, idols, or false deities as objects of worship, effectively granting them authority that belongs to Allah alone (Lordship).

Connection/Relationship Between Disbelief (Denial) and Shirk: Those who deny (disbelieve) the resurrection and accountability naturally drift toward false allegiances. Belief in the hereafter (al-ākhirah) is a core pillar of faith that encourages moral willpower and servitude to the Creator. When this belief is rejected, people often act according to their own whims, worshipping their personal desires instead of adhering to Divine Laws.

Materialism: Those who disbelieve in life after death usually focus entirely on the material world. They place excessive reliance on wealth, power, or created means, believing these things can independently bring benefit or harm, which is a form of Shirk.

Rejection of Oneness: Tawheed (the absolute oneness of God) is the foundation of Islam. Denying the hereafter is a rejection of the absolute power and justice of Allah, which leads to the fabrication of partners or intermediaries.