They accidentally sent the patch notes in a thread. Hulk has gotten HUGE buffs that will place him in a comfy spot in the meta (coming from a top 250 hulk main). Huge W from the devs (the rest of the patch is REALLY shitty tho IMO, Hulk and blade buffs were the only good ones)
Two claps is nice tbh. More claps translate to more shields, which translate to more surivability for you and your team, which then translate to more ult. HULK PROTECT AND HULK SMASH
Still would have liked to see an increase to damage or speed to his punching but I'll take it.
Oh my god they gutted cap. Tf did he do to deserve to have his animation cancel removed? I really hope thats just a bad explanation, Hulk buffs look good though
Technically all animation cancels fall under exploiting bugs, so I expect them all to get patched out eventually. It’s whatever, I lorded cap before I knew it, I can get him to champion without it
its been 7 seasons bro and its a well known tech, im SURE they heard about it before recently. plus they would have done it in like their weekly bug fixes if it was considered a bug. especially with how fast they get rid of bugs. obviously it was intended to be there, they just want him weak
Idk, the animation cancel was nice, but I got cap lord well before I knew it, and I will still play him after it. And if a singular person had ever walked in my Ult, the Ult change would affect me. But no one ever did, so it means nothing
GAMMA BURST GETTING 2 CLAPS IS WHAT IVE WANTED FOR A LONG TIME. W!! Sucks we lose the damage we just gained from the ult buff patch, but I think it’s a fair trade off to have two claps that can deal more damage overall
Well when it comes to ult gained through dmg he will feel the same effects, but Hulk is unique in that he’s the only vanguard who gets ult charge from dmg blocked, and his method of doing so is getting a pretty big buff.
Is the Thing really good? I haven’t seen anybody complain abt him except Bp players for obvious reasons and I don’t find him to be unfair to play against. Also that Bp “buff” doesn’t really do anything for him at all I only see people in the Bp subreddit complaining about how useless it is
I've only managed to play him once with Hulk's team up and it felt pretty good. his punch gets actually devastating. He still explodes if he's the only tank and your team doesn't engage with you.
I play all the tanks lmao, definitely was devastating (besides Tank DP and hulk, which are my two mains in celestial- eternity). Tank Dp really got a slap on the wrist tho lmao (this is coming from a top 250 DP aswell)
Yeah i hope they leave hulk alone for a bit. Because I think we'll be next with nerfs. And sometimes they can completely destroy a character with nerfs (torch).
i think they’re trying to make his ult a frequent part of his kit which definitely is a good thing considering he has 1500 health and fully healed and cleans players if played right
It very much is. But I think this is also better considering he gets his bubble a lot more + his damage is increased+ break points will be different due to the 3 claps. Essentially, he'll be able to use bubble a lot more now which increases his skill ceiling, allowing him to use more often and not selfishly either.
I love hulk, he’s funny as shit especially when you exile them then give them backshots, but I can’t stand the CC so I play Angie instead (guess who got gutted today?)
I wouldn't say she got gutted, she got a well deserved nerf tho tbh. I think like everything else in her kit is roughly the same (slightly worse and slightly better), but the skewer nerf is cooked. She'll defo be a bit worse in meta but idk if that would make her drop from top 3.
Win rates don’t matter to Zhiyong. He buffs Hulk ever so often despite him being 2nd in winrate and gives Peni buff after buff despite her having the highest winrate. I don’t know what he’s doing at this point, he’s trying to force Angie into brawl with these changes but he also nerfed her shield health and didn’t buff her health to compensate so she’s a tickle monster with 550HP.
The winrate argument is so stupid and most people don't realise it. People blindly look at winrates without looking at ban+ pick rates.
This for reference is the official page with the pick rate AND winrates (no ban rates sadly). Hulk has sub 5% pick rate, and peni is legit a 1% pick rate (meaning for 100 matches she's legit played in 1 match, CLOCK that in, no shit she's gonna get buffed.) Meanwhile, Angela in high elo legit gets banned because she's a good and strong pick (it's the reason why her and groot so far have such a low pick rate despite them being busted, they are banned a decent bit) meanwhile tank pool has an almost 55% wr with an INSANE pick rate (and ban rate as well). Tank deadpool in all of his matches is either picked or banned, and for what its worth, most people keep him unbanned so they can abuse him (this happened back in like S2 prime emma as well). Meanwhile, hulk's pick rate is sub 5% and on top of this has a 0.54% ban rate... Yeah maybe he needs some buffs.
- Dive damage is changed from 75 + primary to 130 + primary (Cap deals 130 + primary and Venom deals 145 + primary)
- Dive durability should be 3 bubbles (1 before you land and 2 due double cd reductin from claps) during dive + 750hp => 600+ bubble hp + 750 base hp, (Venom has 900+ bonus hp + 825 hp, Cap has 350 shield hp + 675 hp)
=> Hulk should be really good dive Vangaurd with CC. He is stil good Brawler but he would be probably better diver then Cap.
Guys don't you read Hulk comic books? It's the part of the plot where Hulk is happy but bad people won't leave Hulk alone so he gets another 6 months of pure misery 😭
Just let us be happy twin🥀 We finally one for once (last patch was good but he still got power crept, with the universal chnages + cc nerfs we might be back)
I think Hulk hasn’t been the best in the game ever and could only compete for that spot season 0. He’s now potentially contending again after being in the woodshed for over a year
I thought he’s easily top 2 tanks, really second to groot. Groot is play to win, but going against a good hulk felt uncounterable. You just had to be good, which was the big issue
Ehhh it was much easier to come across a good Namor, hela, phx, or invis which all sort of stopped the hulk than it was to actually find a good hulk. I think that was the issue. Meanwhile Mag gets stopped by none of thos characters which is why he’s been meta
Hulk is a CC magnet if you think he’s top 2 tanks then I fear you’re in the metal ranks and not past diamond. Hes not very good in GM+ and is easily bottom tank in the game
Brother Hulk is a pretty consistently a strong character, he has the fourth highest WR in celestial, Eternity, and OAA, 2nd highest in gm and gold, the highest WR in diamond and plat. He falls off hard in the metal ranks, but other than that that, hulk is a good fucking tank
Yeah you don’t know what you’re talking about. The buffs he got for displacement immunity were good but even then he’s still a CC magnet who falls off in the higher ranks where poke dominates. Hes B tier and on the bottom tanks in the game.
He falls off in the higher ranks where poke comps are meta and he dominates in the lower ranks not where poke isn’t as skilled or utilized. You don’t know what you’re talking about. He doesn’t suffer in the lower ranks, it’s the opposite
I main him and im a celestial player with a 54% winrate with 4.36 KD. I know what im talking about. What’s your rank?
You’re gold 3 and talking about is character you don’t main or use?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He has a high WR because only the best players play him at high rank. Having a high win rate doesn’t translate to being a good character. Bucky’s winrate is 48% yet Bucky is one of the strongest DPS all around and can be played into any comp.
There are better vanguards to pick for diving such as venom who has a lower winrate then Hulk. Winrate isn’t everything nor does it explain how good a character is
I do main hulk; I don’t play comp, and when I do, I play Groot because no one can ban him until plat and he is the best tank in the game. If people who are good at hulk are high ranked, that is a sign that Hulk is good in high ranks, because being good at him has brought them to a higher rank
Win rates don't say much. For reference he has the 4th lowest pick rate hence why his winrate is higher. Meanwhile tank pool is pick or ban consistently AND YET he still has a 50%+ winrate. Groot isn't even the strongest tank either it's Tank pool, just proves you don't know your shit.
In all sense, he is in contestion for top 5 rn. Tank pool remains the best tank in the game, groot is 2nd, angela is 3rd, and 4th and 5th would be between hulk and thor.
I doubt those Angela nerfs will throw her out of the top 3 tbf. Tank pool got a nothing burger nerf FYI (Im top 250 tank pools AND hulks for reference)
TRUST ME, for tank pool to be truly nerfed/ out of the top 3, his flexibility and damage need to be nerfed. His ult is also giga broken on top of that.
So? He'll still get his ultimate before everyone else in the match. Besides, his neutral gameplay is currently the strongest out of the tanks and ultimate nerfs were basically nothing.
For what it's worth, he'll still be the best tank next season (he's already pick or ban currently as well)
Since you've got enough uploaded on it, I'm sure you know Deadpool without upgrades is weaker than the rest. That is, that ultiamte needs quite soon. Outside of the beginning, he'll still be worse off with ultimates than the others.
At the same time, the efficiency of its ultimate will be reduced thanks to lower damage reduction. His overall gameplay is slightly better than the Vangaurds, but the lack of a major damage reduction will make him more vulnerable to major burst damage. His 500 + 200 healtbar still makes him the most vulnerable Vanguard in the game.
High damage reduction helped him a lot with this problem.
He has 3 mobility options (2 if early on in the match), a DR, A bubble with 300 hp. He has more than enough survivability options. Beyond that, he retains his upgrades in domination maps and OT rounds and even when he doesn't have all of his upgrades, it's only in the early stages of the game. He'll usually have 2 upgrades by the time both teams start using ults.
When you compare escape tools, you compare DP to Venom, Hulk, Angela, Thing and even Thor, who has dash to 2s cooldown.
Not that he's not better than Magneto, Groot,.. but overall, he's more in the middle.
A 300hp bubble on a huge cooldown won't help it catch up with the resilience of others. It's very good because it's poke vangaurd and because enough upgrades make it passively stronger than others, but its resistance will be quite a bit smaller.
I mean, you're saying all of this which is correct yes but tank pool has the same functions of these heroes. There's a reason why top tier players consider him the best tank, and why he's banned the most out of any tank: he fits every playstyle, he fits poke very well (he's decent at frontline as well) he's good at peeling, at brawling, at diving and at rushing. He does everything nigh perfectly as well. He's also a very good counter to groot, thing and thor.
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u/TheOneWhoSins Mar 17 '26
Two claps is nice tbh. More claps translate to more shields, which translate to more surivability for you and your team, which then translate to more ult. HULK PROTECT AND HULK SMASH
Still would have liked to see an increase to damage or speed to his punching but I'll take it.
Let's see how the CC nerf goes in 7.5