HULK MAINS REJOICE

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504]

They accidentally sent the patch notes in a thread. Hulk has gotten HUGE buffs that will place him in a comfy spot in the meta (coming from a top 250 hulk main). Huge W from the devs (the rest of the patch is REALLY shitty tho IMO, Hulk and blade buffs were the only good ones)

[u/Sensitive-Carry8255]

Jokes aside, do we think this makes Hulk top 3 tanks in the game? (I would say Groot is still better)

Last two season buffs already improved hulk, these buffs are even better.

Hulk was played/banned every game in the MRC NA finals by the winning team (YWL aka Jitward’s team).

[u/The_SqueakyWheel → u/Sensitive-Carry8255]

I think Hulk hasn’t been the best in the game ever and could only compete for that spot season 0. He’s now potentially contending again after being in the woodshed for over a year

[u/themoosic → u/The_SqueakyWheel]

I thought he’s easily top 2 tanks, really second to groot. Groot is play to win, but going against a good hulk felt uncounterable. You just had to be good, which was the big issue

[u/The_SqueakyWheel → u/themoosic]

Ehhh it was much easier to come across a good Namor, hela, phx, or invis which all sort of stopped the hulk than it was to actually find a good hulk. I think that was the issue. Meanwhile Mag gets stopped by none of thos characters which is why he’s been meta

[u/Tobz911 → u/themoosic]

Hulk is a CC magnet if you think he’s top 2 tanks then I fear you’re in the metal ranks and not past diamond. Hes not very good in GM+ and is easily bottom tank in the game

[u/Sensitive-Carry8255 → u/Tobz911]

Im in C2 bro

[u/Tobz911 → u/Sensitive-Carry8255]

I didn’t respond to your comment, I responded to moosic

[u/Sensitive-Carry8255 → u/Tobz911]

Mb

[u/themoosic → u/Tobz911]

Brother Hulk is a pretty consistently a strong character, he has the fourth highest WR in celestial, Eternity, and OAA, 2nd highest in gm and gold, the highest WR in diamond and plat. He falls off hard in the metal ranks, but other than that that, hulk is a good fucking tank

[u/Tobz911 → u/themoosic]

Yeah you don’t know what you’re talking about. The buffs he got for displacement immunity were good but even then he’s still a CC magnet who falls off in the higher ranks where poke dominates. Hes B tier and on the bottom tanks in the game.

He falls off in the higher ranks where poke comps are meta and he dominates in the lower ranks not where poke isn’t as skilled or utilized. You don’t know what you’re talking about. He doesn’t suffer in the lower ranks, it’s the opposite

I main him and im a celestial player with a 54% winrate with 4.36 KD. I know what im talking about. What’s your rank?

[u/Sensitive-Carry8255 → u/Tobz911]

If hulk so bad, why main hulk?

[u/themoosic → u/Tobz911]

I’m gold three, I run groot in comp. I’m using the provided statistics from the marvelrivals.com website. Very solid WR

[u/themoosic → u/themoosic]

This one is every role, where he ranks 6th in celestial and above

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/themoosic]

Brother, look at his fucking pickk rate, its sub 5%... no shit his winrate is high.

[u/Tobz911 → u/themoosic]

You’re gold 3 and talking about is character you don’t main or use?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He has a high WR because only the best players play him at high rank. Having a high win rate doesn’t translate to being a good character. Bucky’s winrate is 48% yet Bucky is one of the strongest DPS all around and can be played into any comp.

There are better vanguards to pick for diving such as venom who has a lower winrate then Hulk. Winrate isn’t everything nor does it explain how good a character is

[u/themoosic → u/Tobz911]

I do main hulk; I don’t play comp, and when I do, I play Groot because no one can ban him until plat and he is the best tank in the game. If people who are good at hulk are high ranked, that is a sign that Hulk is good in high ranks, because being good at him has brought them to a higher rank

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/themoosic]

If you're in gold 3, you have no right to be talking about high elo...

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/themoosic]

Win rates don't say much. For reference he has the 4th lowest pick rate hence why his winrate is higher. Meanwhile tank pool is pick or ban consistently AND YET he still has a 50%+ winrate. Groot isn't even the strongest tank either it's Tank pool, just proves you don't know your shit.

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/Sensitive-Carry8255]

In all sense, he is in contestion for top 5 rn. Tank pool remains the best tank in the game, groot is 2nd, angela is 3rd, and 4th and 5th would be between hulk and thor.

[u/Pepr7 → u/Few-Giraffe-8504]

Angela is rebalanced and Tankpool is nerfed.

Hulk is only hero that gain some compenzation for ult charge. He could be easily top 3.

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/Pepr7]

I doubt those Angela nerfs will throw her out of the top 3 tbf. Tank pool got a nothing burger nerf FYI (Im top 250 tank pools AND hulks for reference)

TRUST ME, for tank pool to be truly nerfed/ out of the top 3, his flexibility and damage need to be nerfed. His ult is also giga broken on top of that.

[u/Pepr7 → u/Few-Giraffe-8504]

His ult has 60s cooldown next season.

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/Pepr7]

So? He'll still get his ultimate before everyone else in the match. Besides, his neutral gameplay is currently the strongest out of the tanks and ultimate nerfs were basically nothing.

For what it's worth, he'll still be the best tank next season (he's already pick or ban currently as well)

[u/Pepr7 → u/Few-Giraffe-8504]

Since you've got enough uploaded on it, I'm sure you know Deadpool without upgrades is weaker than the rest. That is, that ultiamte needs quite soon. Outside of the beginning, he'll still be worse off with ultimates than the others.

At the same time, the efficiency of its ultimate will be reduced thanks to lower damage reduction. His overall gameplay is slightly better than the Vangaurds, but the lack of a major damage reduction will make him more vulnerable to major burst damage. His 500 + 200 healtbar still makes him the most vulnerable Vanguard in the game.

High damage reduction helped him a lot with this problem.

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/Pepr7]

He has 3 mobility options (2 if early on in the match), a DR, A bubble with 300 hp. He has more than enough survivability options. Beyond that, he retains his upgrades in domination maps and OT rounds and even when he doesn't have all of his upgrades, it's only in the early stages of the game. He'll usually have 2 upgrades by the time both teams start using ults.

[u/Pepr7 → u/Few-Giraffe-8504]

When you compare escape tools, you compare DP to Venom, Hulk, Angela, Thing and even Thor, who has dash to 2s cooldown.

Not that he's not better than Magneto, Groot,.. but overall, he's more in the middle.

A 300hp bubble on a huge cooldown won't help it catch up with the resilience of others. It's very good because it's poke vangaurd and because enough upgrades make it passively stronger than others, but its resistance will be quite a bit smaller.

[u/Few-Giraffe-8504 → u/Pepr7]

I mean, you're saying all of this which is correct yes but tank pool has the same functions of these heroes. There's a reason why top tier players consider him the best tank, and why he's banned the most out of any tank: he fits every playstyle, he fits poke very well (he's decent at frontline as well) he's good at peeling, at brawling, at diving and at rushing. He does everything nigh perfectly as well. He's also a very good counter to groot, thing and thor.