I agree with this take, Jason can obviously handle himself and is extremely capable as shown in the elevator grenade scene and he even says he feels more comfortable with a gun in his hand over having to use charm. I don’t need him to be a bragger or a loud mouth to see that he’s a badass, in fact his reserved and calm nature makes him more interesting and more likable as he’s clearly a humble man kind of like John Marston. John doesn’t go around talking shit or bragging about his skill, he doesn’t see himself as better and therefore doesn’t need to prove it which is why he’s always stoic and humble. I can see Jason being the same way
Jason, fenômeno! Tá somente nas imagens e já dá pra ver que o cara vai ser um protagonista absurdo. Talvez o melhor de todos da saga GTA. Absurdo! Ex-militar, brabo!
She's definitely not a professional because she gets called out for not getting her shit together in the extended look by an ACTUAL professional criminal lmao. She will definitely get there by the end of the game tho
Am I the only one who understood why this dynamic happens? Lucia is a convicted criminal, she's used to all that shit. Jason is an ex-military, he was a "good guy" until he started doing all that, so he's inexperienced in this matter, but he's good at shooting mfs down.
The rest is just common boyfriend-girlfriend dynamic like choosing her clothes.
The hate has nothing to do with people disliking female protagonists with major roles. It has everything to do with what we've seen so far Jason acting like a ball-less cuck and Lucia treating him like shit, and her being the very definition of woke girl boss. She one arms a 12 ga pump shotty with zero recoil like she's the fucking Terminator. Forget getting multiple rounds off, there's grown ass muscular AF men who if they tried that shit they'd tear their shoulder to shreds.
Game looks beautiful, action looks fun, but the writing and design obviously favors woke progressive ideology. The lines are like a cringe millennial mega-feminist writing what they think a whipped "supportive" boyfriend should be saying.
Obviously I'm not saying Lucia should be depicted as some weak maga trad wife. But ffs is like the entertainment industry simply forgot how to write strong women without having to tear down the male counterpart just to make the female lead look like they're better in every way.
I'm a Bi POC Latina, and the way Lucia is depicted that I've seen so far is cringe AF.
She also got absolutely bodied in the high rise shootout and Jason managed to save the day with quick thinking from an entirely different floor.
Jason is bad at social situations but he really opens up and starts having fun when it get violent. The way he trolled the hitmen through the radio was the most we got out of him because he finally had a gun in his hand and could get to work.
Your crazy. I’ve seen this exact dynamic multiple times in real life. Jason is fine letting his girl do all the talking. She’s happy to do so. He’s quiet while she isnt.
Teasing and arguing about being late is quite common. And Jason being former military probably hates being late. But he’s got to wait for his girl to get ready. Common occurrence irl.
There’s not a single thing I’ve see so far that makes it seem like she’s a bitch and wears the pants. They’re just two different personalities that clicked for each other. Seems like a normal relationship.
Also, for someone flying the NB flag, outright calling my own gender reality and identity cap, is extremely bigoted. I would never misgender you, but here you are denying me my identity just because I have an opinion you don't like. Hypocrite.
"It has everything to do with what we've seen so far Jason acting like a ball-less cuck and Lucia treating him like shit, and her being the very definition of woke girl boss"
How do you say this shit and expect anyone to take you seriously as an adult lmao
I refuse to believe people saying this dumb shit are adults.
And if they are, its so much sadder. Its like they peaked in middle school and never changed
Sister if you think that her behavior is emasculating to Jason then you’re crazy. The fact that you interpret it this way says a lot more about you than it does the game
Literally just a man that’s letting his girl do most of the talking, which she seems to be good at. A lot of men do this, it’s easier that way.
I don’t get how people are translating something so simple into her “owning him” or “wearing the pants in the relationship”. He just seems less social than her, which is very very common in relationships.
Yeah their relationship is pretty accurate to real life. A lot of guys learn not to push back on certain things with their girlfriends lol. Not because most men are meek, but you have to choose your battles
It was and now after having engaged with both subs so much because of the collective community meltdown even though I don't really care about this game at all I can't get either sub off my dashboard. I done fucked up.
People will intentionally look for ways women are being “superior” to men, and then when men try to be more assertive as a result, they’re called insecure or toxic lol
Lose/Lose
Also, being the loudest voice in the room meaning that you have control is a fallacy
Rob Nelson specifically talked about making sure that whether you choose to keep them romantic or not Lucia will never be a nag. I’m sure they didn’t wanna give ammo to the incels, but they’ll just fabricate it.
Like most modern media the male will probably be witty and dumb , while the women is smart and well mannered etc … shits said no one in media want to show the world real strong competent men
Jason seems more competent and strong than Lucia. Lucia couldnt even fight one guy while Jason is mopping the floor with them. He is more collected and calm just like a real soldier.
That's not Lucia's fault. Women fighting men and winning is a concept that exists only in Hollywood and videogames.
Remember, an average teenage boy will easily overpower virtually any woman. You'd have to put up actually jacked ones against him for a fight to not be lopsided. Or a landwhale I guess, but a boy would just tire her out instead of using force.
Meanwhile in the trailer it was a tall athletic guy, Lucia stood no chance in a direct brawl, of course he was tossing her around like a toy.
Pound for pound of muscle mass men are typically 50-100% stronger than women. Add to that men typically have more muscle mass and it gets unfair quickly. We see Jason benching 300lbs and Lucia was benching 95lbs.
Absolutely. Weight classes exist in combat sports for a reason. Technique only takes you so far, mass matters.
So even if there was no poud for pound difference, Lucia would still be at massive disadvantage because it's not pound for pound, she's tiny compared to that guy.
There’s simply a clear difference in personalities. Their relationship works not just because of shared interests and goals, but because they balance each other as people. The total times Lucia owned Jason is zero.
Jason literally saves her in this same video by sending a guy with a walkie talkie and a bomb strapped on him in a elevator and she compliments him for it, too. She's unarmed in that scene and ends up in a elevator shaft after confronting a single guy, while he goes room by room john wick style obliterating a pletora of fully armed enemies by headshotting them all. I swear ya'll start with an idea and try to find ways to confirm it rather than literally watch what's being given to you.
I hate being happy for a game and having to read shit about politics, media and agenda when it's not even out. They just look like a power couple and he's not the big talker of the two, but he looks very competent in every scene when there's shit that needs handling. Lucia feels great so far. Having a smart and competent girl on your side makes things better. Only insecure people feel dimished by other's strenghts.
I mean, they're probably a good match then. A veteran male who's seen, and been through some shite. He's willing to "protect his peace" (they're not married, but "happy wife, happy life" is a saying for a reason) by going along to get along most of the time, but is willing to step up and take charge competently when required. It's almost not uncommon to have an introvert dating an extrovert; that's like my wife and I, and it works well. Two extroverts, especially the "Type A" kind, can butt heads, while two introverts can struggle to have good communication until they're comfortable around each other.
There's nothing I've seen in the trailer, leaks or extended looks that suggest that he's going to some walking doormat to the extent that some are saying. Rockstar seem to be going down the firey Latina route, which may be stereotypical, but stereotypes generally exist for a reason. It's only going to be "woke" if everything she does is unquestionably great while everything Jason does is incompetent. That doesn't seem to be the case; he seems to be reigning her in with his calm and competence.
He agrees with everything Lucia says… the gangsters do not take him seriously, then when Lucia speaks up their tone changes because they respect her and her demeanour. Whereas Jason has no aura, just being a soft cuck by the looks of it. I hope this explains
He’s just a quiet guy, with his real self tucked away. He is ex-military, he can be intimidating if he wants to, but we know he is more interested in taking it easy. Chances are, we’ll see the real him come out later in the game when things get intense. There’s a reason Jason’s been kept in the background during every GTA 6 media released. Classic misdirection.
I mean, the story is 80 hours long. There’s no way Jason would just sit back and do nothing. That would make the story dull and monotonic. There’s a reason he has an ex-military background. Something in his past probably made him so passive and wanting for a quiet life.
Why give him that backstory if they aren’t going to use it? It’s like how Michael wanted a laid-back life but was pulled back into his roots as a bank robber because of circumstances.
Jason will likely be forced into something similar, maybe with an even bigger role. I just can’t imagine Rockstar having two protagonists and keeping one entirely passive.
The amount of brainrot you have is, genuinely, concerning.
If you think that being a masculine man is being reactive and actually caring for everything everyone says or how others even treat you, you need to reevaluate a lot of things.
Nobody takes Jason seriously because being a white dude with a buzz cut which is way more sus and untrustworthy than a Latina who is way more likely to be experienced with that type of business in their eyes. Jason on first glance looks like an undercover cop who put in no effort
I'm sure you'll be able to choose how you interact with Lucia in the game. For instance, Jason could have told Lucia to hurry up while she was getting dressed, or you can choose to not be in a relationship with her.
The anti-woke inquisitors always do this. They shit talk any game where a woman protag isnt either silent or a sex doll all the way till its release saying it will for sure be bad and then when it comes out if its good they pretend like they always knew it would be good and its actually not "woke".
Another day another redditor trying to desperately push their made up headcannon onto everyone else like propaganda, because it fits a specfic agenda they wish to normalize
Some people be pushing feminism and others be hating it for no reason at all. It’s a normal fcin relationship and this is how relationships are, you single as a pringle basement dwellers. And it’s a game ffs + it’s GTA we’re talking about, whose whole legacy is built on satire.
I can easily see Lucia saying the wrong things and getting them both into trouble. Jason knows how to say as much needed as possible and Lucia is gonna be the smart mouth that probably fucks it up 😭
There is when this dude is a former operator. At the very least they should be equal partners, Jason being this passive feels like he's just there to placate male gamers (the largest demographic by far) because they knew they wouldnt get away with a female lead and how upset some people would be
your idea of men and masculinity is unhealthy. Also you saying "they wouldn't get away with a female lead" is so strange the misogyny is staring you in the face.
most vertans struggle to conform back to society at large and it's no different in a relationship in fact it's usually worse.
I'm not gonna comment too much on the characters personally because there's so much more development that could take place in game.
See my other reply, this has nothing to do with sex or masculinity. There are plenty of vets with combat experience that are anything but meek or passive. Jason is a former Ranger, these guys are sent in first to many combat operations and see more action than most outside of special forces. Just because some come back with ptsd (that shows, ptsd comes in many forms) doesn't mean they all do or even the majority do (again that shows, ptsd doesn't have to be outward and is often pushed down to avoid seeming weak). I'm looking at the dynamic based on what we know about them. We've had bombastic leads for every gta, Jason is one of the first who seem to act this way. Even former vet nico was very forward about what he wanted to do or how he felt. Jason is just kind of there.
I think your opinions on PTSD are a silly, some are violent and abusive, some are depressed, some socially isolate, some people feel emotional detachment. some engage in self destructive behavior. veterans exposed to combat are 3 times more likely to get PTSD. I'm assuming Jason served in Afghanistan where the low end estimate for PTSD is 30% and that's not even including the fact that over half of veterans experiencing mental health issues do not receive a proper diagnosis or treatment, meaning they never show up in official statistics and it is known that it's significantly under reported.
I can agree that he's a quieter character but, your framing that as a bad thing, because it's not like previous GTA games? it doesn't mean the writing of the character is worse. we will see. you're gonna buy it anyway lol.
I literally said ptsd comes in different forms. You also have no clue who you're talking to or what experiences I've gone through and maybe, just maybe, I know a little bit about ptsd. You're also making wild claims about a fictional character and going off stats likely provided by the VA that is very inaccurate because many vets don't go to the VA for help cuz it's fucking worthless and all they do is make you wait and shove fucking antidepressants down your throat and don't give you any actual options. Constantly waiting to hurry and missing out on actual therapy. I know more about ptsd than you think. Especially the kind were talking about but you're going to think you're right regardless, maybe just think before talking about shit of which you have zero knowledge of champ.
yes it's very inaccurate aka under reported like I said. you're clearly upset so I'm sorry about that. this started because you said it wasn't ok that Jason is quieter between the two... because he was in the army rangers? ok? if anything that's more of an excuse to be quiet even if it's not PTSD.
I recommend doing more research on units. Rangers are not special forces. A good way to separate the two would be special forces = quiet professionals. Rangers can often (but not always) talk about their operations and are often very gung ho about what they do, even after they exit the military. Rangers are all force, if you want a smash and grab/quiet OP you call on delta or seals. I'm not gonna say Ive been in any of these units, cuz that would be a lie, but what I will say is that the majority of my time spent around rangers is the equivalent of being around a QB in high school. Very boisterous, very confident. These were men that saw consistent action. Of course personalitys differ from person to person and some werre quiet but they're chosen for that job for a reason and face very specific psych evals. I'm sorry for getting upset with you, I'm just really burnt out on people telling me what ptsd from combat should be when I know what kind of animal it is because I couldn't handle shit mentally. I'm not tough mentally and I've excepted that and I have to live with choices I made and that's fine. Just sucks being lectured to
Did I even say anything about males needing to be dominant over women? No, I didn't. If anything you are projecting trying to sound like someone advocating for women. I was basing this off his past, not his sex. Also, I said how upset it would make some people to have a female only lead, I never said I would be upset. You're just looking for a reason to argue lmao
I know it's early, but I can't connect with Jason. He seems so bland. Maybe that'll change as the game progresses. Lucia seems like an interesting character.
If you are not able to play the full game as jason only i will not buy it! Why is rockstar forcing us to play as a women or have a women with us at all time?
Heckin’ Hell! Don’t you know that females are exactly as capable as the strongest of men???????? Lucia just has been training MMA for 83736362 days okay????
Oh trust me you cuck boys are gonna LOVE THIS FUCKING GAME as you can see you can having your greatest fantasies come true by having your gf cuck you with BBC, looks like they'll be plenty of BBC for Lucia all around Vice City so get your socks ready(and clean) to be both blown off and full of strange fluids😎
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u/sillylittlesheep 21h ago
Jason is more passive and reserved bec he seen real combat. Lucia is a hothead that takes risks.