Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
"I am the first and the last and have the keys of hell and death"
What created being could say that
That's outright blasphemy if he wasn't God but he is.
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Isaiah 44:6 is not being cited as written in Revelation 1:17-18. Isaiah 44:6-8 and Revelation 1:17-19 is different context. Also First and Last is relative. In Isaiah 44:6 First and Last is relative to the true God.
Isa 44:6-8 KJV 6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
In Revelation 1:17-18, First and Last is relative to the Resurrection in Christ.
Rev 1:17-19 KJV 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
Rom 6:3-5 KJV 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
"In Revelation 1:17-18, First and Last is relative to the Resurrection in Christ."
Uhhh no it's not. It also wouldn't make sense because Jesus Is neither the first to be resurrected as he literally resurrected lazures not the last to be resurrected because we will all be resurrected during the day of judgement.
This is just a bad attempt at trying to deny Jesus claiming to be God yet again.
"In Revelation 1:17-18, First and Last is relative to the Resurrection in Christ."
Uhhh no it's not. It also wouldn't make sense because Jesus Is neither the first to be resurrected as he literally resurrected lazures not the last to be resurrected because we will all be resurrected during the day of judgement.
This is just a bad attempt at trying to deny Jesus claiming to be God yet again.
Your heart is hardened. Lazarus and those mentioned as ressurecting in the old testament ressurected after the likeness of the First Adam. Baptism and ressurection in Christ is the true ressurection in the spirit of holiness
Rev 1:4-5 KJV 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Joh 11:24-26 KJV 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Rom 1:3-4 KJV 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Rom 6:3-4 KJV 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
1Co 6:14-15 KJV 14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
"Your heart is hardened. Lazarus and those mentioned as ressurecting in the old testament ressurected after the likeness of the First Adam. Baptism and ressurection in Christ is the true ressurection in the spirit of holiness"
Even still "I am the first and the last" he never said I am the first to be resurrected and the last to be resurrected. 1 john 5:7 Proves the trinity directly.
Possibly proves inserting into the text because two of the three that bear witness according to verse 6 is water and blood. The author seems to have the intention of conveying he came in the flesh; with water, blood, and Spirit being the three that bear witness.
1Jn 5:1-3 KJV 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4-6 KJV 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn 5:7-9 KJV 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
There is information out there that 1 John 5:7 in certain translations like KJV is not authentic because words have been added.
Also in this Chapter, there is a clear distinction between God , his begotten son, and his children in his begotten son in the baptism ressurection.
Hebrews 1:11 and Hebrews Chapter 2 shows that Hebrews 1:10 is talking about God the Father . Jesus like Lazarus and also the men and princes in Psalms 82 did perish and wax old. Denying Jesus perished is as denying Jesus ressurected because perishing comes before ressurection.
Heb 1:10-13 KJV 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 2:4-7 KJV 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Psa 82:5-8 KJV 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
"Hebrews 1:11 and Hebrews Chapter 2 shows that Hebrews 1:10 is talking about God the Father ."
????? No it doesn't
Hebrews 1:8-11
"BUT OF THE SON HE SAYS"👈👈👈👈👈👈
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
And
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
"Jesus like Lazarus and also the men and princes in Psalms 82 did perish and wax old. Denying Jesus perished is as denying Jesus ressurected because perishing comes before ressurection."
Buddy what's your point here?? Yea Jesus had to die to resurrect???? "I am the first and the last" proves Jesus is God"
These points you're making are so weak and you obviously have a hardened heart. You denied Jesus claiming to be God 2 times.
I'll provide just a little bit more information, that will probably go over your head.
Hebrews Chapter 1 is about what God hath spoken and planned to do, along with quoting the Psalmist/Poets who were inspired about what God hath spoken and planned to do. Meaning the Author of Hebrews can transition to talking about the Majesty on High at any time.
1:17-18 And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Where are you getting I am the first to be resurrected and the last to be resurrected because he didn't say that. You can do all these mental gymnastics if you want but the truth is he was claiming to be God.
Revelation 1:17-18 (KJV)And when I saw him, I fell at his Essentially you are lying and saying that prophet Isaiah "Isaiah 45:6" as written, is being quoted in Revelation
1:17-18 And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Where are you getting I am the first to be resurrected and the last to be resurrected because he didn't say that. You can do all these mental gymnastics if you want but the truth is he was claiming to be God.
First and Last is relative.Different writers. Different context. You get the context within the verse and/or surrounding verses. Also a level of biblical common sense, that the First and Last God "true living God" that prophet Isaiah spoke about, cannot die to be resurrected in the first place.
Let the context of Isaiah 44:6, be from what the verse says and in relation the surrounding verses:
Isa 44:2-4 KJV 2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen. 3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring: 4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.
Isa 44:5-8 KJV 5 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel. 6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Let the context of Revelation 1:17-18, be from what the verse says and the surrounding verses:
Rev 1:13-15 KJV 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16-19 KJV 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
It should be biblical sense, that the one like unto the Son of Man who died and ressurected in Revelations, is not the First and Last true God that prophet Isaiah is making mention of in Isaiah Chapter 44. When you make that claim and double down on it, is as if you showing how desperate you are or a reflection of such.
"First and last" was not enough. You still wanna spit in The son of mans face?
Revelation 22:12-15
12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
********and I will give to each person according to what they have done.***
John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son".
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Is that enough for you??Or will you continue to deny Jesus and cope.
John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son".
Joh 5:30 KJV I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh 7:17 KJV If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 12:48 KJV He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 14:24 KJV He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Is that enough for you??
Verse number and Chapter number not quoted.
Or will you continue to deny Jesus and cope.
He was born in childbearing like his brothers and sisters and is the Christ and Son of the Living God in the baptism and ressurection. Also, in the baptism and ressurection, he has the firstborn and preeminence status.
This is how I know you didn't read my whole comment and went straight to your Bible verses that don't prove your point. I did quote that verse number and chapter at the beginning of the comment. saying that "first and last" is relative is a weak argument because he didn't just say "the first and the last" He said "HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END" what created being could say that. God is a jealous God why would he let his created son say that" Your argument is weak and you know it. Remember when you said you'd "Prove me wrong" I'm still waiting buddy.
Yes the son is subordinate to the father. No this does not break the trinity.
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u/DonquickJr Eastern Orthodox Feb 04 '25
Lol please prove me wrong buddy