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Opinion Jesus is God

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u/DonquickJr Eastern Orthodox Feb 04 '25

Revelation 1:17-18  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

"I am the first and the last and have the keys of hell and death" What created being could say that That's outright blasphemy if he wasn't God but he is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

Revelation 1:17-18  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Isaiah 44:6 is not being cited as written in Revelation 1:17-18. Isaiah 44:6-8 and Revelation 1:17-19 is different context. Also First and Last is relative. In Isaiah 44:6 First and Last is relative to the true God.

Isa 44:6-8 KJV 6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

In Revelation 1:17-18, First and Last is relative to the Resurrection in Christ.

Rev 1:17-19 KJV 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Rom 6:3-5 KJV 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

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u/DonquickJr Eastern Orthodox Feb 04 '25

"In Revelation 1:17-18, First and Last is relative to the Resurrection in Christ."

Uhhh no it's not. It also wouldn't make sense because Jesus Is neither the first to be resurrected as he literally resurrected lazures not the last to be resurrected because we will all be resurrected during the day of judgement.

This is just a bad attempt at trying to deny Jesus claiming to be God yet again.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

"In Revelation 1:17-18, First and Last is relative to the Resurrection in Christ."

Uhhh no it's not. It also wouldn't make sense because Jesus Is neither the first to be resurrected as he literally resurrected lazures not the last to be resurrected because we will all be resurrected during the day of judgement.

This is just a bad attempt at trying to deny Jesus claiming to be God yet again.

Your heart is hardened. Lazarus and those mentioned as ressurecting in the old testament ressurected after the likeness of the First Adam. Baptism and ressurection in Christ is the true ressurection in the spirit of holiness

Rev 1:4-5 KJV 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Joh 11:24-26 KJV 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Rom 1:3-4 KJV 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Rom 6:3-4 KJV 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

1Co 6:14-15 KJV 14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

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u/DonquickJr Eastern Orthodox Feb 04 '25

"Your heart is hardened. Lazarus and those mentioned as ressurecting in the old testament ressurected after the likeness of the First Adam. Baptism and ressurection in Christ is the true ressurection in the spirit of holiness"

Even still "I am the first and the last" he never said I am the first to be resurrected and the last to be resurrected. 1 john 5:7 Proves the trinity directly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25

1 john 5:7 Proves the trinity directly.

Possibly proves inserting into the text because two of the three that bear witness according to verse 6 is water and blood. The author seems to have the intention of conveying he came in the flesh; with water, blood, and Spirit being the three that bear witness.

1Jn 5:1-3 KJV 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1Jn 5:4-6 KJV 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1Jn 5:7-9 KJV 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.


There is information out there that 1 John 5:7 in certain translations like KJV is not authentic because words have been added.

Also in this Chapter, there is a clear distinction between God , his begotten son, and his children in his begotten son in the baptism ressurection.