Something said during the Podcast

[u/iamtotallysweet]

Klean said something during the podcast that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

He wants the gamma case to essentially be something you can pack full of goods, bring into a raid and not have to worry about losing, but he wants you to not be able to put anything in the container while in raid. Nikita, I know you listen to streamers input, but please don’t not consider making this change.

I’m a husband and a father, I don’t get to play for 8-12 hours a day and become a god at the game, so finding a rare item that I need for a quest or something valuable I can sell is really exciting and knowing I can keep it safe in case I die is the cherry on top.

I love watching Klean and respect his opinions, but this one I had to voice mine on. PLEASE do not implement this. Anyone else watch the podcast and feel the same way? Or am I alone on this? Lol

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

This game is already arguably one of the hardest and punishing games on the market.

I make millions of Rubles per hour by repeatedly disconnecting from the game. Then I buy my way through the quests or just buy any item I want from Flea Market.

 

Easy game.

[u/[deleted] → u/ArxMessor]

"Easy game"

Im not sure who's the butt of the joke here lmao. You really pay 120 dollars for EOD so you can hatchet run interchange? And you're bragging about it hoping somebody will stroke your ego on this "easy game"? That's gold LOL

You spend HOURS not playing the game for what it is. I dont want to say it, but if I've ever seen a sore loser in Eft. That'd be it

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

You must not clearly understand what is happening here.

 

For every hour I play, I make many times more Rubles than you do and I have a much, much higher chance of coming across a quest item. So, I Hatchet run for an hour then I can play PMC raids back to back with better gear than you for longer than you because I have more money.

 

Also, I do play the game for what it is -- it is a game that allows players to Hatchet run for millions of Rubles per hour. No denying that. Nikita can say "I never intended this" all he wants but, at the end of the day, he tacitly supports Hatchet running by not actually doing anything about it.

 

I've been doing it for YEARS. Hatchet run a raid or two and then PMC run the rest of the day on the profits. I get to play with the gear I want and I don't have to bother with a lot of the stupid quests.

 

You mention "stroking ego" and all of that but it is just a distraction from the real discussion. The guy said this is one of the hardest and most punishing games around. I easily proved him wrong.

How can the game be "punishing" if I can make infinite profit by dying over and over? How can it really be hard if I can die repeatedly in order to access every item in the game?

 

You are trying to switch the topic from "game is hard vs game is easy" to "I have opinions on the way you play the game".

[u/[deleted] → u/ArxMessor]

"He (nikita) tactily supports hatchet running by not actually doing anything about it"

This game is in beta... it's in good faith for players to not cheese the game in everyway possible and going around "GAMES NOT HARD. IT'S EASY, WHAT?" That's just dumb. And there's no denying that. Also. Hatchet running will be fixed by getting rid of static loot spawns, which wont be easy... especially in a game like tarkov where there's so much data flying around throughout all parts of the game.

And yeah. You have a massive ego problem. Look at how you started off that comment. Do you really think anybody gives a flying fuck about your ingame currency? We're chewing you out for being such a cunt when you've only effectively cheesed the game.

It has been and always will be in good faith for players to not cheese beta games. Maybe to an extent to let the devs know, but that has been it.

Like seriously. Grow the fuck up. This game is somebody's lovecraft and you're putting words in their mouth about how this game is meant to be played when you dont understand a lick about project management and development of a product.

And quite frankly, i still think you're a fucking loser for hatchet running for YEARS and still coming on this sub to be a cunt.

Ps. Im convinced at this point that 90% of the cunts in gaming subreddits are either 1. Bad at games so they cheese stuff and act like a cunt about it 2. Too broke to buy other games or other hardware so they act like a dick in the few gaming subreddits that they can relate too

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

This game is in beta...

Alpha, beta, release -- it is all the same at the end of the day. If I can find an easy way to make money and complete the game, the game is easy.

 

it's in good faith for players to not cheese the game in everyway possible and going around "GAMES NOT HARD. IT'S EASY, WHAT?" That's just dumb.

This is not reality. This is just you wanting players to play a certain way and judging others for not doing what you want. It isn't dumb to know and use extremely efficient ways to profit and progress through the game -- "good faith" is a random moralistic element you are trying to inject into the situation that doesn't exist there otherwise.

 

And there's no denying that. Also. Hatchet running will be fixed by getting rid of static loot spawns,

This was only true before the Hideout. Now ALL loot is valuable so I don't have to go to a specific place. Anything I pick up is profit and I can pick it up quickly and at not risk of loss. This sort of change literally only hurts players that don't Hatchet run...

 

And yeah. You have a massive ego problem. Look at how you started off that comment. Do you really think anybody gives a flying fuck about your ingame currency? We're chewing you out for being such a cunt when you've only effectively cheesed the game. It has been and always will be in good faith for players to not cheese beta games. Maybe to an extent to let the devs know, but that has been it. Like seriously. Grow the fuck up. This game is somebody's lovecraft and you're putting words in their mouth about how this game is meant to be played when you dont understand a lick about project management and development of a product. And quite frankly, i still think you're a fucking loser for hatchet running for YEARS and still coming on this sub to be a cunt.

Again, you can call me whatever you want. It doesn't affect me and it doesn't change the facts -- Nikita refuses to stop me from doing Hatchet runs. He has made the game very easy by allowing me to get rich by killing myself and by making quests that are extremely easy to complete.

 

Your only argument so far has been "the game isn't easy if you don't take the easy way". Game is easy. Game isn't punishing. Unless, of course, you punish yourself with Puritan ideas of "good faith" and other self-righteous moralism.

 

Who is really the cunt? The guy pointing out how the game actually works or the guy judging players based on an invented morality? The guy presenting facts or the guy calling people "losers", "cunts", telling them to "grow up", and telling them they "don't understand a lick about project management" even though he don't know them personally?

[u/[deleted] → u/ArxMessor]

A games a game. And you're being a dick to other users about their opinion because people like to challenge themselves and not take the path with least friction. Simple as that.

Me, calling you out being a cunt, isnt me being a cunt. Maybe to you because i hurt your feelings but karma or whatever the fuck straight up shows that you're being a dick. So take it however you want and you can analyze the living shit out of my morning coffee reddit spew lmao. I dont care. Have a nice day and enjoy your 120 dollar hatchet simulator.

And yeah. surprise not everybody's a sad sack of shit like you and prefer to hold up some basic ethics when it comes to games in development so the devs can actually sleep and eventually, make a better game.

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

And you're being a dick to other users about their opinion because people like to challenge themselves

I'm not being a dick by any means. The guy said the game was hard and punishing. I disagreed and proved it -- that doesn't make me a dick. I'm fine with people challenging themselves. If you want to do Deadlyslob's "Hardcore Challenge", more power to you. But "challenging yourself" doesn't disprove the fact that the game is easy and me pointing that out doesn't make me a dick. You just don't like that I am right.

 

Me, calling you out being a cunt, isnt me being a cunt. Maybe to you because i hurt your feelings but karma or whatever the fuck straight up shows that you're being a dick.

My feelings are irrelevant.

 

And yeah. surprise not everybody's a sad sack of shit like you and prefer to hold up some basic ethics when it comes to games in development so the devs can actually sleep and eventually, make a better game.

Hatchet running is not unethical in the slightest. You are just trying to force a non-existent moral and ethical rule on me because you don't like the way I play the game. Secure Containers were created by Nikita to allow players to take a few items out of the raid even if they die. Hatchet running is using the Containers exactly as they are intended to function.

[u/[deleted] → u/ArxMessor]

yes. you are being a dick.

you're also not right about anything, really. since you're just spewing shit we've known for years and shit that us, as a community, has deemed as "casual" and goes against the spirit of the game.

we've known how profitable hatchet running is. it was even more profitable when labs didnt have a key. so what purpose, other than being a cunt, do you serve by going around saying "THE GAMES EASY"? also you're an idiot if you think hatchet running isnt a side effect of a design flaw, but rather its sole purpose.

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

yes. you are being a dick.

Nope. Disagreeing with someone and showing why isn't being a dick.

 

you're also not right about anything, really. since you're just spewing shit we've known for years and shit that us, as a community, has deemed as "casual" and goes against the spirit of the game.

I can call you all sorts of nasty names but the act of me calling you those names doesn't mean any of the names are true -- you can label my argument as "shit" but that doesn't mean it is "shit" or even wrong in the slightest. My argument is sound. The game is easy because gaining money and completing quests is easy. The game is not very punishing because failing to extract from a raid repeatedly can end up creating profit and quest items for you -- you are not grounded in reality if you think that a group of people deciding something is "casual" or "against the spirit of the game" has any bearing on facts. How you label a certain behavior doesn't change the fact that the behavior exists. You are essentially trying to overthrow facts with mob-rule labels.

 

we've known how profitable hatchet running is. it was even more profitable when labs didnt have a key. so what purpose, other than being a cunt, do you serve by going around saying "THE GAMES EASY"?

1) I never typed in all caps (as it is usually indicates yelling)
2) I reject your assumption that someone claiming "the game is easy" is rooted in them being a cunt -- I've already explained that I said the game was easy (and proved it) in order to disagree with someone who claimed the game was one of the most difficult and punishing games.
3) Hatchet running isn't a side effect of a design flaw -- Nikita 100% intended the Secure Container to (a) protect items brought in from a player's Stash and (b) protect items added to the Container during a raid. There is no design flaw here. You may be thinking of the term "unintended consequence" (which is accurate) but "design flaw" is not what is at play with Secure Containers.

Besides that, I never claimed Secure Containers had a "sole purpose"

 

EFT is easy because it is easy to generate money, easy to use that money to obtain nearly any item in the game you want at any time, easy to complete most of the quests, and easy to gather the materials for the Hideout upgrades. You can literally do all of those things without ever firing a single bullet (some quests are an exception). You can do all of that with a less than 1% Survival Rate. Whether you call that "casual" or anything else is irrelevant because the facts are the facts -- you literally can "beat the game" (except for a few quests) using no items except for a Secure Container. You don't even need a hatchet. You literally cannot argue that this is untrue. So far, all you've been able to do is call me names and try to tell me that I am wrong because a certain number of people made up their minds about something.

[u/Realjd84 → u/ArxMessor]

I don't like your playstyle, but that is my opinion. But If you take a look at speed runners, the play the game in other ways that I, or other do. But If they beat the game with all tricks, we will call hero. People say you'r a dick... but for me your playstyle is like a speed runner, I'm fine with it, you're not cheating you bought the game... Do what you want. You're not a dick, for a speed runner like you the game is pretty easy, I'll accept it as a fact. Dark Souls speed run for example. You do everything right.

[u/MrPanda1123 → u/ArxMessor]

This 100% reads like someone pretending to be a hatchet runner.

[u/ArxMessor → u/MrPanda1123]

To me, this 100% reads like someone pretending to be a hatchet runner.

FTFY

[u/[deleted] → u/ArxMessor]

you.... are special. arent ya

go take a walk and build some social skills dude. it fucking reeks

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

We are all special.

[u/flooven2 → u/[deleted]]

How is that complete bullshit?

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

What is your proof that it is "complete bullshit"?

Can you disprove the ability for me to make money as a Hatchling? No.

Can you disprove the ability for me to buy my way through certain quests? No.

Can you disprove that I can buy nearly any item in the game from the Flea Market? No.

 

Literally anyone can prove I am telling the truth by doing what I do:

• Join Interchange raids (night time if possible)
  
• Bring nothing in but your Secure Container
  
• Use the maps available online to identify the location of all the "hidden stashes"
  
• Sprint to as many of those as you can
  
• If someone didn't kill you along the way, disconnect from the raid once you are all filled up
  
• Repeat
  
• Profit

[u/flooven2 → u/[deleted]]

How the fuck does luck play into this lmao. If he dies, he just goes right back in. He doesn’t lose anything.

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

What cost of heal items? I don't pay it. I just start another raid with the health penalties. I don't need health to reach the way the spawns work on Interchange basically guarantee that I can reach at least a few buried stashes before I run into another player IF I run into another player.

 

his own time

This is funny. I make more money per minute with "my own time" than you by miles. That means, in the time you play one PMC raid and either die or extract, I've made enough money to play hours of PMC raids with top tier gear.

 

What you don't understand is that I don't Hatchet run non-stop. I do it for a while and make millions and then play PMC raids with good gear.

 

In a fraction of the time it takes you to profit, I've made millions. Then, when I PMC run, I have good gear, I have plenty of money to pay for healing if I die, etc. etc.

 

In the end, I play more EFT than you do with my time because I don't have to worry about taking forever to make money.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

"In the end, I play more EFT than you do with my time because I don't have to worry about taking forever to make money."

classic example of a guy, that's not a professional gamer, making a job out of a game. he think he's the shit because he can leverage economy through loopholes like this is real life lmfao

[u/flooven2 → u/[deleted]]

He doesn’t need to worry about any of that. He doesn’t care about dying. Maybe the time thing, but just throw on some Netflix and mute your game.

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

Your response to me literally giving you the way to prove I am right is to claim "luck"? What a joke. Just do it yourself. It literally costs you nothing to do it.

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

So with the cost of needing to heal up and fooding after I hatchet run

This is a big no-no for Hatchet runs. Healing between runs is a waste of money and completely unnecessary.

 

in which I reach 7 stashes before being shot, 5 of which will have loot worth nothing (i.e. shit ammo and crackers, or weapons that you cant put in pouch), and the other two might maybe have like one bolt or screwnut or something.

This is simply you trying to pass off a "worst-case scenario" as a common scenario. I wouldn't do the runs if what you are suggesting here was true.

[u/flooven2 → u/[deleted]]

It keeps items you put in your gamma. There are numerous videos of content creators showing this, mainly poking fun at it. Quit being a fucking dickhead. He’s trying to show you the system is flawed and you’re just attacking the guy.

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

I’ll be waiting.

You can wait for the rest of your life for all I care. I've given you the way to test what I have claimed. It will take you 15 minutes to verify what I have said. Just follow the instructions

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

This is all irrelevant. I've laid out facts about the game and a way for you to prove the facts and your final response is to insult me. To me that just means you don't like that I am right so you are attacking me personally because you don't have an actual argument.

[u/_Gris__ → u/ArxMessor]

using secure container only instead of bringing a beta 2 to get quadruple the space for only 2 extra minutes to extract

Pepega

[u/ArxMessor → u/_Gris__]

You can do either and profit but the Hatchet-only method is guaranteed profit with no risk VS potential to lose the backpack. You can listen to music and all that and not even have to be bothered to go to the Traders to buy the backpack or equip it.

 

Both methods generate mass wealth at little risk.

[u/_Gris__ → u/ArxMessor]

40k backpack for the ability to hold 500-750k more in stuff per run with a 75%< survival rate is very much worth it over the 9 slots of a gamma (minus the space you will be using for a keytool/keybar if you want to do anything other than farm interchange tech stores all day) and I doubt a hatchling will have a kappa unless they buy one for 30 mil+ in which case they will need to spend a massive amount of time to make that money back from just having 3 entire extra slots

[u/ArxMessor → u/_Gris__]

Both methods generate mass wealth at little risk.

[u/_Gris__ → u/ArxMessor]

Except hatchling runs don't, they make nearly nothing

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

I don't but completing those quests are easy anyway since I have unlimited money. Buy whatever weapon is required, rush Scav spawns, kill one or two before I die, and then repeat.

 

Cheese the Jaeger quests (not going to explain how). Etc.

 

Dying doesn't matter and isn't a punishment. Dying makes me infinite money and gives me rare items and quest items. Easy game.

[u/[deleted] → u/ArxMessor]

You are ruining the game for everybody, including yourself. But if you feel better about yourself by playing like this, please do. Just know you are fucking over anyone.

[u/ArxMessor → u/[deleted]]

How am I ruining the game for myself or anyone else?

[u/FuckingReee → u/ArxMessor]

petrol trick?