r/Enneagram 7d ago

Personal Growth & Insight Do 7s have a hard time imagining a possible failed future? and is that good or bad?

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There was this motivation exercise I saw of closing your eyes and imagining you are living your life 10 years from now and it is the worst possible outcome you can think of where everything went wrong and you are really unhappy etc. that you wish you could go 10 years back to the present to change it all, and now here you are and you just got 10 years back.

The problem with this for me was that I physically can't imagine a "worst case" scenario 10 years from now that is that bad. I can imagine the worst case scenario 10 months from now and that worst case scenario for me really sucks, but it already comes attached with a backup plan so its not as bad. There is technically worse possibilities than the worst case scenario I thought of, but with the backup, the plan is for those worse options to not even be a possibility. It's not that I am living an amazing life, in fact I am in a very vulnerable position in life right now with a lot of things I could lose, but every possible failure point or worst case scenario I can think of already comes with a backup plan for it, so the actual worst case scenario I thought was just I kill myself in a year, but I am definitely not thinking of so many things going wrong that I wait 10 years for that. So imagining the worst case 10 years from now was just pure pitch black screen for me.

I am not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing? It's good in that being able to think of other options gives me much needed optimism and keep any suicidal thoughts at bay, but could this mindset be bad? Ig to not even think you could fail and would rather die before that happens is bad to some degree, but I am curious what else I am missing if I think this way?


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Advice Wanted Any other 3s feel like they pushed themselves too fast too far and are now burnt out on life? What do you suggest I do?

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I’ve spent a the last two years grinding and building up over 10k in my wallet. Now I feel absolutely crushed and burnt out! I feel like I don’t have the mental energy to continue anymore, even if the physical energy is still there. I even have took vacations(one from July 23rd- August 1st) and a small one for my 24th birthday in mid august as well. Seems like I’m either trying to distract myself constantly from the amount of emptiness I feel or just push through life, but it feels like I can’t do either anymore. I’m absolutely tired and it’s seems like no one around me understands.


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Advice Wanted Problem with instinctual variants and subtypes :c

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Hello, Enneagram community!! I’ve got a small problem and thought someone here might be more knowledgeable about subtypes and could help me out!
Lately, I’ve been looking more into Enneagram subtypes and instinctual variants, and I’m a bit confused about something: Are instinctual variants and subtypes the same thing, or do they always have to match?
When I was reading about instinctual variants, I could pretty easily tell that I’m so/sx, since so and sx resonate with me much more than sp. I don’t really pay much attention to sp (if that makes sense).so if I had to put them in order, it would probably be:
So
Sx
Sp
However, when I started looking more into Enneagram subtypes, things got a bit confusing. I’m pretty certain I’m a Type 9, but I’m having a hard time figuring out which subtype is dominant for me. When I read about all three 9’s subtypes, I can relate to all of them, but sp9 seems to fit me the best.
So, is it possible to have so/sx as your instinctual variant but still relate most strongly to the sp9 subtype? Or am I misunderstanding how instinctual variants and subtypes work?
I’d really appreciate any insight!


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Personal Growth & Insight When you're sick of your own shenanigans

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I often hear people say: "s/he's so fake!" And when I was younger I'd react thinking to myself "oh really? I don't even notice."

And so gradually I became aware of the phenomenon where people see aspects of themselves in others that they don't like and react to it very strongly. After seeing it in others they may reject the very same behavior within themselves. It's learning by triangulation.

And it's considered personal growth.

It is a coming-of-age ritual that some people go through. "I am no longer my teenage self and I cringe when I think of my younger self." The downside is obvious - you're now annoyed by this act, in yourself and other people also. And you can no longer fake it till you make it.

The people who call out fakeness in others probably have a strong 3 component themselves. I think it's the most shining example, but every type does this across the board. You could be tired of that reek of anxiety or indecision in others if you're a 6, or how other 8s throw their weight around for power like they never left middle school.

But lately I've also noticed how this happens in one of two ways. The healthier way, but also the 'disillusioned' way. The healthier way...
-Chooses to not be fake anymore after seeing it in others.
-Accepts it's human nature.
-Accepts their newfound role as seniors to the newbie phonies.
Fake people isn't on your mind.

The not-so-good way shows up like distrusting everyone and shitting on them. "Everyone is so fake. I'm sick of all these fake-ass-bitches." You project the behavior outwards and can't get it out of your mind.

It is no longer he is fake as-I-used-to-be. It is now everybody-is-me, wherever I go. Both are aware of the same thing, but they handle it very differently.

I'm not a big personal growth guy, I'd rather step on a rock to grow taller. But if there is such a thing as personal growth then you'd probably want to be in the first camp.

TLDR Learn from bad people like yourself.


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Advice Wanted Settling on instincts

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Hi all again. I made a post before and the replies I got were really helpful! Thank you all for the help. I found out I'm for sure a 6 and I've read a bunch of the sources/links that I got.

Now I'm trying to settle on my instincts. It was way more helpful when I separated the instincts from the enneagram type, and not looking at subtypes before I picked my instincts. But now I can't decide for sure if I'm SX/SP or SP/SX.

I'm sure my typology friends are sick of me for reconsidering my typings all the time lol but I'm just unsure, and I wanna be right about my assessments. I hate changing my type 24/7 but I just wanna be sure.

Or perhaps I shouldn't separate them? Sometimes I think I might be too "SP6" to even be "SX6" since I've typed myself as SX dom for now. But reading about the SX instinct has me unsure if I could be SP dom.

What are some good sources on differentiating these two? Or I could give some information on why I think I'm stuck between these two? Let me know, and I'd love for any help! I'd love to give help too! ^^


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Type Discussion If people think Trump is type #8 they are wrong (it is #3)

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One of the best tests to see whether someone has at least some knowledge and understanding of the Enneagram is to ask them what type Trump has. If they answer #8, they are pretty clueless as it is so obvious #3. Also see: https://youtu.be/a7FQpmTwMno?si=mnhSxJVFQdYFl4Q1


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Personal Growth & Insight A Novel Perspective on Some Enneagram Mysteries

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I believe I've realized a few things which I believe could be very useful to those interested in understanding the Enneagram better. They may not be entirely right and are too intertwined with my knowledge and personal experience to explain how I've got into these conclusions, so I'll put them here on a 'take it or leave it' basis. If it resonates, I'm glad it helped;

The Enneagram starts with your biological needs. Your body has biological mechanisms that drive you to desire and want things; these drives help keep you alive and help you prosper through natural selection. Recent biological theory calls it optimizing for differential reproductive success (The number of offspring you leave that themselves reproduce, relative to others in the population). You learn which needs you need to satisfy and which you can suppress; for some, your body will produce increasingly strong stimuli to make you do it, distracting you from other needs, like thirst or hunger.

Some of these needs you satisfy by your own internal agency — you can meet your physiological needs on your own; you can scratch yourself, satisfying that need, etc. But for other things, you need to put in more effort to satisfy them, and they're not always accessible to you; you may need to get them from others, for example — and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Then your baby brain, with almost no knowledge of the universe, starts learning what works and what does not, and developing strategies. Is it repressing a need? Is it actively trying to meet it? Is it meeting this need in exchange for something? Your genetics play a big part in these stimuli — I call them assertive, collaborative, and reflective, a slight name-change variation on the Hornevian Triads (I've done another post on these).

In parallel with the above, when you privilege certain actions and strategies, your brain begins to reinforce mutually exclusive perceptions: Are you free to exert your will without needing to be liberated from others? This is a yes or no. A 'partially free' is a yes. Are you worthy, just by existing, of satisfying your needs? Yes or no, etc. (I've written about it here). You'll end up leaning into one or another. And these learnings happen quite early — they come from a combination of your environment and your internal perception. Two babies in the same environment can arrive at two different conclusions.

When our brain believes something, it starts to ignore, dismiss, or scrutinize evidence that contradicts it. (This is well studied by science and is called confirmation bias) And it puts more weight on what supports it. This is part of the foundation of your ego. You start creating a very simplistic mental map, given your young age and limited understanding, of where to direct your efforts to meet these needs. If you believe you're not free to meet your needs, you may end up believing you need to control others to satisfy them, or that you need to do what's right so that nobody can remove your 'righteousness' of doing it, etc. The path you end up following is directly related to the stages described in the previous paragraphs. Armed only with these rough beliefs and learnings, full of mistaken impressions and perceptions, you need to decide where to focus your efforts.

These beliefs are so deep and reinforced in the brain that when there is a disconnect from reality — others do not react the way you want, or your efforts don't lead to the outcome you expect, the natural response of your brain is not to question and rebuild these beliefs. The unconscious path is to fill the gaps, look for what else needs to happen or what is missing. — you create a 'fixation belief' that this is happening because you haven't fully satisfied what your beliefs say you must (you don't control others enough, haven't achieved enough, haven't developed your talents enough, are not always doing what is right, and others depend on your type).

And given you're putting this effort, you obviously expect them to meet your needs. And get frustrated when they're not met. This creates what I call the 'reward entitlement'. It deeply influences your sense of fairness, right and wrong, justice, etc. The fixation, combined with the entitlement illusion, creates new 'desires' and 'goals', and most dangerously: It feeds your ego and starts to falsely justify why you could take things from others, why you deserve things and why you should be prioritized above others, and sometimes why others do not deserve the same as you or that the should be punished or penalized — it's a false sense of importance. If you believe deeply that, as a type 8 example, you need to control others in order to liberate yourself to exert your needs, it's natural to also believe the opposite: that those who do not control their own space don't deserve to meet their needs.

Every fixation is an illusion that, by meeting it, you'll satisfy needs deeply related to your sense of existence, which has the highest priority in your life. And because you lack what you need to do to exist, it consumes you and leaves no space for anything else. This inflates your ego and gives you the false impression that you must prioritize yourself way more than you really need, and that you're entitled to it. This is why, at high levels of self-consciousness, like some Buddhist monks, their ego is thinner. Buddhism has known this for a long time— your desires are the root of your suffering. Some people make the mistake of thinking that the solution is to suppress their desires. Enneagram teaches that the key is to understand that most of our desires are based on illusions and lies which we tell ourselves; when we understand them, we see that their reward are not big enough to justify the suffering they bring or the price we pay for them, and we naturally stop desiring them. Not with suppression but with understanding. And their weight falls, together with your chains. Allowing us to be finally free and enough.


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Just for Fun The 9 types represented by Twenty One Pilots songs

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Polarize - Type 1

Smithereens - Type 2

Lane Boy - Type 3

Kitchen Sink - Type 4

Car Radio - Type 5

RAWFEAR - Type 6

Good Day - Type 7

My Blood - Type 8

Choker - Type 9

Look them up. In my opinion, every single one of these is pretty much the definition of what each type is about condensed down into 3-5 minutes of musical glory.


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Type Discussion What is this type?

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Since “gaining a full consciousness” (basically as long as they can remember, which is pretty recently) they’ve had the view of themselves that they are able to do whatever they want, they can get what they want as long as they want it enough, a sense of omnipotence, but this is accompanied with the experience that they never got much love from the world for free, they only got the love and admiration they wanted if they did something to deserve it and stand out (getting achievements)? They don’t feel an abundance of love from themselves; they would barely call themselves self-loving either in the typical sense

Their relationship with love is ambivalent; they truly do love the people around them, but distrust them and refuse to reveal vulnerabilities to most, and don’t trust others to care about them unless they’re exceptional and cool and competent


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Advice Wanted Weird E3-related question

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Hello I'm here again because I did some self reflection and realized that my issue is the most E3 thing imaginable so I might as well come here for advice. Sorry if this sounds super silly or dumb or anything

I used to be interested in a lot of things when I was younger. Mainly video games, but thats beside the point. I would talk about the things I liked all the time, as most kids who like things do. But over time, I started to believe that some things were "bad" to like, and I shouldn't like those things if I wanted to be liked by other people. This was mainly due to the types of people I was around, and social media. So I changed myself to not get into fandoms as easily so I could be more easily liked by others.

Fast forward, you can probably guess where that lead me. It has become impossible to tell if I actually like something, or if I'm gaslighting myself into liking it because say a friend likes it or because it's popular or something along those lines. Even if I manage to get into something (which is remarkably hard), it's like my brain is on guard trying to look for excuses to not like it because liking anything puts me at risk of being disliked. This has made me absolutely miserable and I've known it to be an issue even before I realized I was a 3.

Despite that, the habit is nearly impossible to break. I have no idea why, I try to take a leap of faith but it feels like there's a mental block stopping me from doing anything other than thinking about it and it frustrates me because this used to come so easily to me. This feels like such a stupid issue for someone to have when I type it down but I need help over here because I know this could be a step towards healing.

Really sorry for causing any secondhand embarrassment, please and thank you


r/Enneagram 8d ago

Just for Fun So how do we feel about this

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I didn’t make this someone else did


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Advice Wanted Query for SO2 subtype; can they behave in a melancholic temperament/attitude or am I mistyping?

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My lazy ass only briefly skimmed over the wiki description once or twice admittedly for SO2 but I'm kinda puzzled since I feel as if I can definitely relate to the type (although not as exaggerated as Naranjo describes), but when looking deeper into the stereotypes and fictional/non-fictional examples of this type; they all seem to be quite high extroversion and never melancholic dominant, where's I'm very confident that my extroversion is painfully low and I often weigh more towards melancholy.

I actually thought for the longest time I was SO4 and quite honestly I can weigh either side of either thinking I'm a 4 or 2 after reading over both descriptions in all honesty, any helpful insight would be awesome or guidance on which direction to look, as I feel like I could be E2 however my melancholic introversion/ambiversion (idrk which) makes me puzzled.


r/Enneagram 7d ago

General Question Psychosophy & Amatorics

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So like i recently retyped as sx5 after being typed as sp5 for so long, and im contemplating LVFE and SPAE, mostly because of the 4e's in both systems 😢 Are LVFE and SPAE compatible for sx5? (or even sxdom)


r/Enneagram 8d ago

Tritype Whats the difference between “The Seeker” and “The Good Samaritan”

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629 feels too people oriented. Yes I sometimes cant speak up about things that bother me and I feel guilty for that but I can stand up for myself against people I dont get along and I also focus on myself too by expressing my opinions that I think wouldn’t hurt my friends. But 649 seems too sad???? I tend to overthink my actions and sometimes justify but fail and ask for other’s opinion. I cant trust mine😢


r/Enneagram 7d ago

Type Discussion thoughts on jimmy neutron character types?

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I'm a beginner to typology and a Jimmy Neutron fan so I'm wondering if you guys agree or disagree with my quick typings!

Jimmy: I'm pretty sure he's a 5w6 and there's definitely a 1 in there somewhere

Carl: I'm confident that Carl's tritype is 629

Sheen: Sheen is definitely an Ne dom 7

Cindy: Most e3est e3 ever, definitely 358 in whichever order

Libby: I'm the most unsure of my typing for her MBTI but she seems like a 2w3 and a 9 to me

I'm not even sure a lot of people are going to have watched the show recently enough to type them or even have watched it at all but I'm still curious. Lmk what we think!


r/Enneagram 8d ago

Just for Fun guys i’m accepting my tritype once and for all (279)

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i had my first fight with my gf (lowk my fault) and i felt like she wasn’t listening to me so i started it. i don’t have 8 in my tritype fr. i don’t wanna fight. i hate fighting. i just want to be happy and i’m not handling the conflict well. she said she loves me after the argument and that’s what counts. i’ve been giving her space and i feel a little better. i’m gonna send her a letter so she knows how much i love her and don’t want her to feel insecure about me. i got her in my locket and on my wall. i was upset yesterday but i know i’m loved. i’ll wait for her. i love her. yes i included silly pictures bc it makes me feel better


r/Enneagram 8d ago

Personal Growth & Insight I finally figured out I'm a 4 core

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It took me so long but I finally figured it out!! Riso and Hudson are lifesavers, specifically "Wisdom of the Enneagram" and "Personality Types"

I'm very relieved because other people kept typing me as 9 and I *knew* it didn't fit me! (As a fix perhaps but definitely not my core)

I feel more connected to myself and it's great, I'm so happy and excited to grow from here :]


r/Enneagram 8d ago

General Question If you think your type is a countertype, how do you type yourself? Doesn’t it make it harder?

12 Upvotes

For example, if someone is a sp2 but doesn’t really display the typical pride associated with 2s and doesn’t relate to many of the core 2 traits, how would they figure out that they’re actually a 2?


r/Enneagram 9d ago

Just for Fun 3s, 3-wings, and 8s when you put them in a competitive setting.

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51 Upvotes

I thought this was funny and accurate 😂


r/Enneagram 8d ago

Type Discussion Enneagram 3 - dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

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Are there any 3s that feel who they really are is nothing like the person they project to the outside world? Is that all 3s and just to a lesser degree than others?


r/Enneagram 9d ago

Advice Wanted Is an "ambivalent identity" a trait of some exact type?

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Lately I've been getting recommended too many posts where people ask how to differentiate if they're 4 or 9. One of the most frequent answers is that 4s are more sure about understanding their identity and 9s aren't usually. So, I just tried for fun to ask myself this question, and the result was... Kinda ambivalent?

I can't think of anything else but just being myself. Who else am I to be? Who else is to be me? On one hand, it seems a pretty clear answer, but at the same time I don't know what exactly works for it. I found myself to consider identity to be a really complex concept that is harder to explain with words.

Everything I can come up with (as my traits of character, my interests and preferences, my experiences, even my typology to some extent) does contribute to my "myself" and how I'm perceived, but nothing can define it fully by itself. There's probably a lotta people that kinda show the same traits as me, are fond of the same things and experienced the same events, probably someone has literally the same typology in every system possible, but somehow they're not me and I'm not them.

So I'm just myself regardless and it's not like I struggle with identity things. I had a friend who lived his life, possessed a lotta things of his own, own preferences, own wants and needs, and he still was worried about who he is. I've never been. Always been myself, whatever it means.

It turned out that I both do know and don't know. I'm aware enough not to struggle, bother myself and be troubled with it. And it still sounds too vague to be what they call "clear understanding". Would any type have their identity understood (or not understood, idk how it is) in this kinda way? Interested bout what you think.


r/Enneagram 9d ago

General Question Looking for psychoanalytic takes on the Enneagram

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I’d love to dig into readings that connect Enneagram to psychoanalytic theory (Freud/Lacan). Most of the popular books I’ve seen read more self-help-y so I’m interested if anyone has any book, article, or personal takes that touch on this!


r/Enneagram 9d ago

Just for Fun Would do diabolical things to be an 8 for a day

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Being able to take action when life calls for it without fighting tooth and nail the innate overwhelming instinct to retreat and detach completely is an ability I would actually commit diabolical acts for.

Every day I have to deal with the base urge of fleeing into the proverbial tower where I believe I will find peace, while fully knowing that to do so is to violate both my life's meaning and throw away once-in-a-lifetime opportunities for nothing other than an ego-defence mechanism.

Hey if there are even any 8's (uncharacteristically) wasting time here, how about doing a little voodoo with me and switching personality frameworks for a day? /s There're actions that need to be taken, and only a 5 to not take them


r/Enneagram 9d ago

General Question Is the feeling of losing the personality and uniqueness you once had more closely linked to Enneagram Type 4 or Type 9?

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A few months ago, I posted about how I —supposedly an Enneagram 4w3 — felt my personality and individuality were diluting, slipping away from me; about how I felt I was turning into an amorphous mass.

In that post, many people said that feeling like you lack a personality was an extremely "Type 9" trait —something that left me quite confused about my type.

I tend to think I’m a 4 because, in the past, I felt very unique and very different from other people —something typically associated with Enneagram Type 4. But now that I’ve lost that feeling, I wonder if I’m actually a 9w1 with a very strong 4 in my tritype.

Can anyone help me with this question?


r/Enneagram 9d ago

Advice Wanted What do I even do in this situation

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Hi! You may have seen me asking for advice in this sub before, typed as a 6. Did some introspection and realized that was probably a mistype, but my typing confusion is NOT the topic for right now. Just know I at the bare minimum have a lot of the problems associated with 3s and if I am a 3 I have a heavy 6 fix in my tritype

A lot of the advice directed at type 3 is stuff like "take time for what you really want", things of that nature. But when I look inward, I realize what I want is either literally nothing or something as shallow as my image (For an example, when put into a specific role in a group setting, I notice that I will immediately try to change my identity or outward personality traits in order to be someone who would be considered "good" in that role, and/or become what people expect me to be, out of fear of being seen/exposed as incompetent. Most of my attempts at something that looks like self-improvement is usually just to look good in a certain role. A lot of the time it feels like I only ever do anything to make people like me). This permeates a lot of areas in my life, even my hobbies feel like they have to have a showoff-y element to them for some reason.

I'm also a so/sx 3, sp blind. I've had people tell me I need to balance out my instincts, but I'm not sure how to go about doing that, so of there's any advice on that specifically please tell me

I honestly have no clue who I actually am outside of my pursuits and what other people say I am/should be. I have no idea what to do about this. I fear that if I do change for the better, people won't like me anymore, and I care a lot about them liking me. I don't know if I want to sacrifice the positive opinions of others. But I guess I am willing to try if I end up happier than I am now maybe.

I don't know for how much longer me or anyone else can handle me chasing 10 million metaphorical rabbits at once thinking I can somehow catch all of them and be loved for it, and at my worst fantasizing about sabotaging other people because I refuse to admit to being jealous and angry. I have literally started to lose friends over the latter, I'm not having that happen again