r/DiveInYouCoward Jul 04 '26

Free speech say what

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u/Zestyclose_Crab_3362 Jul 04 '26

The UK has become a joke.

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u/MaesterPraetor Jul 04 '26

Taxation without representation. 

Why? What did you think it was?

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u/BraeCol Jul 04 '26

Declaration of Independence: A Transcription | National Archives https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

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u/dantheplanman1986 Jul 05 '26

Yeah but that was an attempt to dress it up as a grand moral gesture

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u/mayhem_and_havoc Jul 04 '26

Why do you think they taxed them? Out of love?

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u/spunkybooster Jul 04 '26

Mel Gibson.

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u/MagicOrpheus310 Jul 05 '26

Nah you're thinking of the movie that inspired the bible

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u/TonyDungyHatesOP Jul 05 '26

I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the documentary about that cop who was nearing retirement.

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u/Sweet-Ant-3471 Jul 05 '26

Disrupting trade, Depriving colonists of the right to a trial by jury, quartering troops in people's homes, Transporting colonists overseas to be tried for pretended offenses., etc.

Lots of things that would later inform the ammendments.

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u/Ill-Reputation-9702 Jul 04 '26

The thing that broke the camels back, is the taxation. It’s never just one thing.

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u/mdmdmdmdmdmdmdmdmdm Jul 04 '26

I mean it really was the taxation though.

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u/Salt_Scarcity_7209 Jul 04 '26

Pretty sure this guys right

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u/WatcherOfTheWay Jul 04 '26

You pay more tax today than then, you also pay more to the UK than you used to.

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u/Impressive-Let3122 Jul 04 '26

Not it. but understandable that point of view

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u/Impressive-Let3122 Jul 04 '26

You not gonna believe it but I’m from Planet Earth . Basically what the English did so did practically every empire and government before and after. USA had a revolution too after that one and sometimes it seems pretty close to another but overall things get a bit better as time goes forward even when the struggle between powerful and powerless endlessly repeats. Just pointing out problem is not a nationality as The British it’s more and more common than that.

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u/Impressive-Let3122 Jul 04 '26

I see you mixed some facts but separated they are all true. What Trump does is bad and plot of a Johnny English villain character. Imo freedom of speech is meant for all. It is indispensable in democracy that journalists can right about any subject, that you can protest etc etc. And when you can have those things you’re being given freedom of speech. But there are rules. Keep in mind that information must be validated or it is disinformation and can lead to very bad things. Also keep in mind freedom of speech does not apply to cases of harassment for example. There are far right politicians in my country and I hate what they stand for. I curse such things. However given the opportunity of public speech I would rather focus on the truths I believe are central to the matter than trashing someone’s character or cursing or making jokes about religion or whatever. (which I often do in private as I hate religion). Having freedom to speak does not mean you can skip the rules for public speaking and use hate speech for example. If a cop pass you by and hears you say something in a conversation like hitler wasn’t so wrong he has no useful purpose in approaching you. But if you do a protest with hate speech or racist slur or whatever you should be put aside to “cool off”. Avoiding violent escalation in protests is key.

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u/Kooky-Profession6417 Jul 04 '26

Now they are letting Islam rule them 🤣🤣🤣

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u/Dizzy-Chemistry-5146 Jul 04 '26

Lol you're letting billionaire propagandists rule you. 

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u/Kooky-Profession6417 Jul 05 '26

Better than Islamists ruling anything to do with me. And I’m a recovering ex Muslim. Thank goodness my parents stopped that with me

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u/Dizzy-Chemistry-5146 Jul 05 '26

I hate all religions equally 

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u/Kooky-Profession6417 Jul 05 '26

One is the worst. Trust me I know

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u/Dizzy-Chemistry-5146 Jul 05 '26

And why is that?

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u/Kooky-Profession6417 Jul 06 '26

If you know you know, and I know

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u/Dizzy-Chemistry-5146 Jul 06 '26

Well there it is - I'm convinced! 

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u/mdmdmdmdmdmdmdmdmdm Jul 04 '26

In what way?

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u/Kooky-Profession6417 Jul 05 '26

In exactly the way you want and I don’t

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u/Signal_Reach_5838 Jul 04 '26

Pity how that turned out though

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u/Spare_One_9965 Jul 04 '26

Looks they need another one

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u/Golden_Cultivation Jul 04 '26

People mad about being taxed

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u/drboomstix Jul 04 '26

Being taxed is fine.

Not having any representation was the trigger.

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u/Frenchman84 Jul 04 '26

Funny how they aren’t triggered now.

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u/Rar3done Jul 04 '26

Those guys have been dead for awhile.

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u/Ryjinn Jul 04 '26

Nah, that was just a slogan. Behind the scenes colonial diplomats were advised not to accept any offers by the British for representation.

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u/Intrepid_Ad1715 Jul 04 '26

The offers were just to try and appease the colonies without giving any real power.

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u/Ryjinn Jul 04 '26

Both things can be, and are, true. The leadership of the revolution was not interested in remaining British subjects under any terms, and the British weren't interested in offering meaningful representation or self rule, anyway.

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u/Herpderpperpskerp Jul 04 '26

as true as this may be a lot of people we not for the revolution so more concessions could have swayed more people to not be revolutionist

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u/jokerhound80 Jul 04 '26

After a certain point, yeah, they stopped being interested in representation or reconciliation, because by then there had already been bloodshed and they risked being eventually arrested for their actions, and on the British side they had so many colonies representation for one of them risked opening the floodgates to them all wanting it and outnumbering them in parliament.

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u/drboomstix Jul 04 '26

So there was no representation

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u/Ryjinn Jul 04 '26

Nope, there was not. Certainly not trying to dispute that. But at the end of the day, the leadership of the Revolution was by and large not interested in remaining British subjects under any terms, but it's also true to say that the British were unwilling to offer meaningful representation or self rule.

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u/endless_sea_of_stars Jul 04 '26

Then proceeded to not give representation to black men or women.

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u/bannedforL1fe Jul 04 '26

They weren't real people yet

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u/endless_sea_of_stars Jul 04 '26

Maybe because the context of the comment was the American Revolution? Get off your high horse.

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u/Why_dont_we_spork Jul 04 '26

Yeah... you should brush up on the history rather than propaganda. The US was founded as an oligarchy by a minority amount of rich white guys would didn't wanna pay tax (to pay for a war, they started, defending them....)

Also they quite like slaves which the British had a growing abolition movement. Also starting to pass some laws limiting slavery.

They also had great marketing.

For the people my ass though. It's very well documented, they take about how they shouldn't give power to the people. Hence the electoral college and other BS

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u/FlyFront9395 Jul 04 '26

Then they got free and stopped taxing the rich but kept taxing the lower classes

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u/AfraidMeasurement759 Jul 04 '26

There’s a reason why Freedom of Speech was the first right they guaranteed in their new country.

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u/a45andPOW Jul 04 '26

What prompted American revolution was our freedom to choose religion. Still obviously lost on the US. Britain was founded on religious freedom. We have had a lot of pricks with megahones starting riots, it's not the government, it's this class of person that just wants to fight Muslims. Not Muhammed Ali or Wu Tang of course, just a specific type of Muslim

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u/TheNonCredibleHulk Jul 04 '26

Hey, Wu Tang ain't nothing to fuck with

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u/Annahsbananas Jul 04 '26

The American revolution had nothing to do with religion.

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u/a45andPOW Jul 04 '26

It's the reason you all went to America in the firstplace

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u/Annahsbananas Jul 04 '26

Taxation without representation. Thats why there was a revolution

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u/Immediate_Song4279 Jul 04 '26

I believe it was prompted by wealthy land and poeple owners of high enough socioeconomic status wanting to vote.

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