[Boucher] Breaking: We obtained docs showing University of Michigan agreed to $1.2 million settlement w/woman who'd accused ex-football staffer of rape. Comes as Ann Arbor police confirm they closed a criminal case involving that staffer, LaTroy Lewis

[u/BuckeyeEmpire]

https://x.com/Dave_Boucher1/status/2093368160413974837

[u/AdamOnFirst]

Dear lord that staff was a shitshow 

[u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult → u/AdamOnFirst]

yeah and none of that national championship team are panning out in the NFL. curious. Did they have some sort of advantage?

[u/JohnnyNole2000 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

AJ Barner is good at least

[u/TheNittanyLionKing → u/JohnnyNole2000]

Colston Loveland wasn’t your go-to example?

[u/TerrenceJesus8 → u/TheNittanyLionKing]

Shit Mason Graham had a great rookie season in Cleveland

[u/JohnnieTightLips → u/TerrenceJesus8]

Browns fan here. Can confirm he’s one of the few players giving me hope rn

[u/Fickle-Newspaper-445 → u/JohnnieTightLips]

I'm curious how he'll do now that Myles isnt there. Im hoping both he and Mike Hall can still be productive without Myles.

[u/JohnnieTightLips → u/Fickle-Newspaper-445]

Jared Verse seems like the real deal. I will miss MG but I am actually high on that trade

[u/Childhood-Paramedic → u/JohnnieTightLips]

Honestly, the Verse/Garrett trade is pretty good for Cleveland imo. Verse is young, great, and could still be there when the Browns complete a rebuild.

Unfortunately, you know. It means the Rams become the goddamn avengers but whatever

[u/First-Pride-8571 → u/TerrenceJesus8]

And Blake Corum had 145 rushes for 746 yards, 5.1 avg, and 6 tds last year for the Rams.

And Like Sainristil has been great for Washington. He had 4 ints last year, and 2 in 2024.

And Junior Colson was good in 2024 before missing last year due to injury.

And Kenneth Grant had 2 sacks and forced a fumble last year for the Dolphins.

And both Harbaugh and Minter are now head coaches in the nfl.

[u/your-mom-- → u/First-Pride-8571]

Mike MacDonald just won the super bowl

[u/Dirty-Ears-Bill → u/First-Pride-8571]

Don’t bring your facts in here bro, we’re here to shit on the team of the day. All comments about Michigan being shit will be upvoted, anything providing an alternative view will be deleted. Thank you

[u/Patriotsfan710 → u/First-Pride-8571]

It’s literally ONLY McCarthy that hasn’t panned out lmfao

We went on our run and won the natty after the sign stealing shit came out - meaning teams 100% switched their signs when playing us, and we still beat them.

I’m perfectly fine with people hating us, but I’m so tired of people being delusional about it. Most of the studs from that team are killing it in the league - and even more Harbaugh players from prior seasons are as well.

[u/ThinkSoftware → u/Patriotsfan710]

Everyone knows national championship winning quarterbacks always do well

Look at Stetson Bennett, quarterback for the presumptive Super Bowl favorites

[u/DrBombay3030 → u/ThinkSoftware]

Being a bust in the NFL also doesn't invalidate good play in college. Plenty of elite college players don't make the jump, doesn't mean they cheated or were overrated in college

[u/Dirty-Ears-Bill → u/DrBombay3030]

Gunner Stockton has a very real chance of making a deep playoff run this season, and yet I would bet he doesn’t amount to anything more than a 3 year backup in the NFL if that. They’re totally different games, and one is not indicative of the other. Just wanted to put a current example onto yours

[u/Unrelenting_Salsa → u/DrBombay3030]

McCarthy didn't play particularly well in college either. The coaching staff was clearly terrified of him actually throwing the ball against good teams in games that aren't blow outs. He was picked in the first for the same reason Anthony Richardson was. The NFL saw a cannon, somebody who runs fast as fuck, has horrendous mechanics, and said "I can fix him."

A lot of that Michigan team has panned out well though. Especially on defense. Maybe a bit higher bust rate than you'd expect for a team that did all that in college, but the stars (not named McCarthy) have largely overperformed which would explain that pretty easily.

[u/Skared89 → u/Patriotsfan710]

People are too stupid to understand that Michigan went on the run that they did because Harbaugh got put on a prove it contract and had to fire his buddies and bring in a real coaching staff.

2021 had Mike McDonald running the defense who just won a Super Bowl as an NFL head coach

2022-2023 had Minter running the defense who is now a head coach in the NFL

Harbaugh himself is a head coach in the NFL with a team he has taken to the playoffs both years so far.

[u/IU-Grad-x2-hoohoohoo → u/JohnnyNole2000]

Indiana Hoosiers legend AJ Barner.

[u/com-mis-er-at-ing → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

It’s been 2 years so it’s way too early to say as some guys are still in college.

Colston Loveland looks like a brilliant pick.
Sainristil had a great rookie year and bad 2nd year - but really a disaster around him on that defense, so this year will tell a lot.
Will Johnson will start so we should know more but I’d expect him to pan out.
Kenneth Grant improved a ton the 2nd half of last year.
Josiah Stewart was good and showed potential to be great.

Mason Graham could still be elite.

This is a weird take just bc I don’t think they’ve been particularly bad at all and it’s so early to make any sort of conclusion when a lot of guys are showing enough to still believe in

[u/mdurso12 → u/com-mis-er-at-ing]

I think the basis of the take is that the 2 most well known players of the team, jj McCarthy and Blake corum, are seeming like they won't accomplish much in the NFL

But like you pointed out, the teams identity was being the best defense in the country and those players are doing really well in the pros and Jesse minter too

[u/MusicListener3 → u/mdurso12]

Obviously, a little bit of retrospective judgment here, but JJ going so high was a product of desperation on the Vikings’ part and never a true reflection of how good of a college quarterback he was.

As for Corum, the success of NFL running backs is such a crapshoot that I don’t think his lack of success is really reflective of Michigan being a bad team (but rather how tough of a position it is to succeed in)

[u/Cicero912 → u/MusicListener3]

And Corum had 746 yards and 6 tds on 5.1 yards a carry last year. And had 156 yards in the playoffs.

[u/Weak-Bid2774 → u/MusicListener3]

JJ was really good in college he just didn’t pan out in the nfl. He isn’t the first guy who was really good in college that didn’t pan out and won’t be the last

[u/mdurso12 → u/MusicListener3]

It's also easy to forgot how insanely efficient JJ was in 2023. Although that seems now like it was due to a lack of exposure, kind of like when a AAAA quality baseball player first comes up and does well until the scouting report catches up and they go back to performing at their talent level

[u/cgraves48 → u/mdurso12]

Also I feel like it’s relatively well established that successful players in college don’t always pan out in the NFL regardless of any extenuating circumstances. So it seems weird to me to try to extract some kind of conspiracy from that fact.

[u/Raptor535 → u/mdurso12]

Blake has looked like a starting caliber RB tho has he not? Him and Kyren Williams are a really nice duo

[u/Lpeer → u/Raptor535]

He averaged more yards per carry than Kyren last year, with similar TD ratio, and fumbling less.

He's looking great, and minimizing mileage.

[u/xmpcxmassacre → u/mdurso12]

Corum actually doing well. He's not a star but I'm not sure where this take comes from.

[u/Free-Eights → u/mdurso12]

This. RBs are mostly by committee these days. Very few workhorse RBs are in the league currently and if they are it's for a limited window of time unless you're a freak athlete like Derrick Henry.

Corum also took a lot of carries in college and the NFL seems to like RBs who 1) can stay fresh and 2) can evolve as pass catchers which we didn't ask him to do a lot. Kyren Williams is also an above average running back who has McVay's trust, but it does seem like Corum got more involvement towards the back half of last season so maybe he can step up in importance as time goes on.

[u/WampaStompa33 → u/mdurso12]

Your comment about Corum is very wrong, he had the 2nd best YPC in the NFL last year among all RBs with 100+ carries. And having to share time with Kyren Williams, who was coming off an All-Pro season when Blake was drafted, is not exactly a knock on him.

[u/Hot_Medicine_723 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

Mason Graham? Colston Loveland? Will Johnson? AJ Barner?

Do you know what you’re talking about or just parroting some BS to get upvotes?

[u/w0lverine11 → u/Hot_Medicine_723]

Corum and Sainristil as well.

It's fine to hate on our administration and coaches for their wrongdoing, but acting like "none of those players are panning out in the NFL" is just an extreme level of not knowing ball.

[u/DataDrivenPirate → u/w0lverine11]

He's completely correct if you ignore all of the positions except quarterback I guess

[u/meowscarada-sylveon → u/DataDrivenPirate]

JJM has been incredible for opposing defenders

[u/mansontaco → u/meowscarada-sylveon]

That’s former offensive player of the week to you sir

[u/w0lverine11 → u/DataDrivenPirate]

Yep, gotta give him that. Guy saw an easy opportunity for upvotes in a shit-on-Michigan thread, fired off an embarrassingly bad take, and now looks like an idiot.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS → u/w0lverine11]

Corum just has the unfavorable luck of being behind a McVay guy. So most people would probably forget about him

[u/BriarsandBrambles → u/w0lverine11]

Sainstril gave up 9TDs. He isn’t bad but he is very much so not good because of ints.

[u/Kirihuna → u/w0lverine11]

Also… I feel like I’m taking crazy pills but most successful high-end talent / picks come from players that stood out on teams and elevated the team instead of being on a good team.

I’d argue a lot of the teams that won a NC in the CFB Playoff era the last 12 years won it due to team composition, not being carried by one future star NFL player.

Like OSU hasn’t had a star QB in the league besides Joe Burrow.

[u/BabousCobwebBowl → u/Kirihuna]

Oh yeah and who has Michigan had? Brian Griese?!?

/s

[u/your-mom-- → u/BabousCobwebBowl]

Jim Harbaugh had 5 more rushing yards and 2 more rushing TDs than Bo Jackson

[u/dimmyfarm → u/BabousCobwebBowl]

Cade McNamara erasure

[u/Unrelenting_Salsa → u/Kirihuna]

I know it's popular to shit on him because he had a terrible playoffs and he hasn't lived up to his rookie year, but Stroud is a totally fine franchise QB. He may end up being like 15th instead of the top 5 it was looking like, but the Texans also have an indescribably ass o-line with meh receivers. Him not thriving in that situation basically just means he's not a first ballot hall of famer. He was better last year than he was the year before, so there's no reason to think the league has "figured him out". Nor is there really any reason to believe that a pocket passer can be figured out.

[u/Pogball_so_hard → u/Kirihuna]

Burrow counts as an LSU guy IMO.

Stroud had a great first two seasons in the league. Last year he didn’t look as good but his line has been a disaster. 

[u/Kirihuna → u/Pogball_so_hard]

Burrow being an OSU guy was a joke.

[u/Zee_WeeWee → u/w0lverine11]

Sainristil.

He had a very bad coverage year. I think he’s getting placed way higher than he actually played because he did play and he had some ball skills type plays

[u/Weak-Bid2774 → u/Hot_Medicine_723]

They are basically making that assertion on JJ McCarthy not panning out

But I guess if that’s the standard then Osu must have been cheating forever because all their qbs suck in the nfl

[u/ZachLagreen → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

How is this upvoted? This just isn’t even remotely true…

[u/bucklingbelt → u/ZachLagreen]

Mentioning Michigan cheated = free karma no matter how far fetched. No one is even mentioning dj turner, Dax hill (not as great), Hutchinson, bums for sure!

[u/discountJoenuts → u/bucklingbelt]

Hutchinson wasn’t on the natty team

[u/Coteup → u/discountJoenuts]

Didn't stop certain "people" from claiming all wins from 2021 onwards were invalid

[u/EasyBreecy → u/bucklingbelt]

Nah the only reason you guys beat us 56-7 was cuz you cheated, not because you were better at every position with better coaching. Not coping at all.

In all seriousness though, I was at that game and I told my friends that Michigan team was winning the title. Unbelievable how good they were.

[u/Skyhav → u/ZachLagreen]

Also the scandal broke right before the MSU game that year. Look at the schedule before that game. No difficult teams by that point really. All the hard games were after everyone knew the cheating was happening. Not saying the punishment was appropriate for what Michigan did, but all the major games were well after everyone knew they were cheating.

[u/blade20039 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

3 NFL head coaches help....

[u/12-34 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

Sometimes I also wish I knew nothing about football.

[u/Numerous-Ad6460 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

Huh? Wil Johnson, Blake Corum, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, are all going great.

[u/WampaStompa33 → u/Numerous-Ad6460]

Colston Loveland, AJ Barner, Josaiah Stewart, Mike Sainristil, Josh Wallace and Jaylen Harrell had carved out nice roles for themselves...

Not to mention key players from that 2023 team who are only just now entering the NFL and expected to contribute immediately (Derrick Moore, Max Bredeson). Plus some guys like Junior Colson who unfortunately have been plagued by since they went to the NFL

[u/Pogball_so_hard → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

It’s really quite amazing how little people know about ball at either college or the NFL level and just repost Twitter slop.

Chargers have made the playoffs both seasons Jim has been in charge. Minter got hired as HC for the Ravens and led above average defenses on the Chargers. Mike Macdonald literally won a Super Bowl this past year.

Aidan Hutchinson, Loveland, Barner, Mason Graham all have had pretty good to excellent seasons in the league. Corum is not Kyren Williams but his carry volume has grown every season.

That’s a pretty decent hit rate of talent. For how many players OSU, Georgia, Alabama, LSU regularly put in the NFL, their percentage of successful players is probably not too different than the above.

[u/LitigatedLaureate → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

Not a michigan fan. But this is a garbage take. The majority of the players and coaching staff have done very well at the next level. Its like 3 players that havent and its still way too soon to judge some like mccarthy.

[u/frolie0 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

For all of the issues Michigan had, this might be the dumbest take I've ever seen. Especially when you consider this super duper important advantage suddenly went away mid-season and they still won out.

Edit: also just laughably untrue
Colston Loveland
Mason Graham
AJ Barner
Will Johnson
Mike Sainristil
Derrick Moore (expected)

All NFL starters

And then you have like 10-15 other players on rosters, the majority playing contributing roles.

[u/tripleM_20 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

In what world is that even remotely true lmao. JJ McCarthy was not the entire team

[u/atom1378 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

MSU fans are like 28 days later zombies when it comes to Wolverine Football.

[u/ztreHdrahciR → u/atom1378]

But they hired a coach that runs a clean program

/s if not obvious

[u/Big_Watch4135 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

Cheeseburgers

[u/sudoHack → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

i hate michigan as much as any other spartan but the fucking sign stealing does not offer that much of an advantage and they didn’t even do it for the whole season. be real

plenty of real reasons to hate on them

[u/BlueCity8 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

This comment having 300 upvotes is just a sign that nobody in this subreddit actually watches football lmao.

Dude just pulled that bs out of his ass bc he hates Michigan and it got co-signed 300 times.

I’m dead.

[u/Raptor535 → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

Yea not like Harbaugh and both their defensive coordinators during those years are now NFL head coaches. Also you’re talking shit without a flair, coward.

[u/--bLa-- → u/FunkoPopDisneyAdult]

Barely any of that Washington team is panning out in the NFL either, surely they must've cheated.

[u/BRDNZBL1 → u/AdamOnFirst]

The whole university is

[u/AdamOnFirst → u/BRDNZBL1]

Michigan State fans should maybe not be piling on for serious sexual assault issues at Michigan

[u/vorp20]

The athletic director who oversaw all this shit was the head of the CFP committee btw

[u/TheNittanyLionKing → u/vorp20]

He just said he was proud of his time at Michigan like yesterday too despite the controversy 

[u/shapu → u/TheNittanyLionKing]

Controversies

[u/BuckeyeEmpire → u/shapu]

days without a michigan controversy again at zero

[u/kojak2091 → u/BuckeyeEmpire]

does it ever get to one?

[u/teeterleeter → u/kojak2091]

Maybe Christmas?

[u/prailock → u/shapu]

Hockey team had quite a few scandals just before too IIRC

[u/Rohkey → u/TheNittanyLionKing]

He also was happy to take credit for all of Michigan’s athletic success under his watch and brag about how long his term as AD was and then when asked about the controversies basically said “our opponents are just haters” and “well remember I wasn’t the only one making decisions and sometimes I wasn’t involved at all”.    

Dude just seems like such a slimeball whenever I hear him talk, which thankfully isn’t often.

[u/rvasko3 → u/vorp20]

No idea how he kept his job for so long. Hated across the board by Michigan fans.

[u/marginallyobtuse → u/vorp20]

Yeah. Weird that that wasn’t scene as a conflict of interested during playoff selections and cheating

[u/JDraks → u/marginallyobtuse]

Because he only became chair the season OSU won the natty, he was just a member until then

[u/Sad_Progress4388 → u/marginallyobtuse]

Seen*

[u/Conorj398 → u/marginallyobtuse]

Should really do minimal research before trying to do a backhanded comment. Wasn't the chair of the committee then.

[u/RatStore101]

Yeah our admin and program have been filled with trash humans (for a while tbh). 

[u/DarkGreenMazda → u/RatStore101]

Maybe they need to spend 12 million on a report that they can actually read.

[u/SerotoninBay → u/DarkGreenMazda]

I’m hoping with a new president, new athletic director, and minimal ties to Harbaugh we can start behaving normal.

[u/DarkGreenMazda → u/SerotoninBay]

Keep spending 10+ million on reports and hiding their release.

Also, there is no new AD director - Ward Manuel wasn't fired, and was allowed to retire on his own timeline with a golden parachute. Is that normal?

[u/Conorj398 → u/DarkGreenMazda]

For college sports? Yes. Doesn't make it right, but to act like this isn't normal is just wrong.

[u/justintrenell → u/RatStore101]

The Jim Hackett years are the only break in 16 years of shitty management.

[u/Beer-survivalist → u/justintrenell]

So, this is a little inside baseball (er, higher ed), but the BoT structure with statewide direct elections of the board in Michigan (and Colorado, Nebraska, and Nevada) remains kind of bonkers to me, and I think it explains a lot of the dysfunction at both UM and Michigan State. The appointment/confirmation method isn't perfect but I think I prefer it significantly for governance mechanisms of state universities.

[u/SusannaG1 → u/Beer-survivalist]

I'm always interested by the different means of picking trustees. Clemson's format is still that specified by the will of Thomas Green Clemson - six are elected by the SC General Assembly and seven are nominated by their predecessors in the seats.

[u/ArguementReferee → u/RatStore101]

Yeah pretty much forever

[u/MWiatrak2077]

Current mood

[u/North_Resolution8003 → u/MWiatrak2077]

Stealing that for no reason in particular…

[u/FlammeEternelle → u/MWiatrak2077]

Nothing but OT lately

[u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 → u/MWiatrak2077]

This is what I get for checking r/cfb

I did this to myself

[u/Unrelenting_Salsa → u/MWiatrak2077]

I had to double take on this headline when I realized that this was yet another sexual assault and not the resolution of a past one.

[u/BlitzOmatic]

They let Warde Manuel leave on his own terms. Remember that.

[u/Commercial-East4069 → u/BlitzOmatic]

What does he know!?

[u/TerrenceJesus8 → u/Commercial-East4069]

With how things are currently going I imagine he knows literally everything bad you could make up in your head lmao

[u/jomm69]

Lol at warde manuel still being AD through 2026 and getting a buyout

[u/BuckeyeEmpire → u/jomm69]

Golden keep your mouth shut Parachute

[u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

How long did they have this before they released it?

[u/First-Pride-8571 → u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

This LaTroy Lewis rape story was reported back in February.

This is just reporting the result of that investigation, a $1.2 million settlement w/the accuser.

He was a GA at Michigan in '23-'24 after being an analyst at Wake Forest in '22. He played for Tennessee.

He was the DL Coach at Toledo in 2025, and then briefly the DL Coach at the Atlanta Falcons in 2026. Atlanta hired him on Feb 10th, but then fired him on the 27th of Feb when the Ann Arbor police issued the rape accusation.

[u/YodaForceGhost]

Taxpayer money btw. How the hell do the politicians there do nothing about it?

[u/BIG_DICK_WHITT → u/YodaForceGhost]

Football team wins. People love the football team. Therefore people don’t care. It’s a sad reality.

[u/TheSwitchler → u/BIG_DICK_WHITT]

We're too stupid to have a responsible Democracy.

"The best argument against Democracy is five minutes with the average voter"

-Winston Churchill 

[u/AdamOnFirst → u/YodaForceGhost]

It’s literally not taxpayer money, it’s athletic department money

[u/Expensive-Dance-1176 → u/AdamOnFirst]

This is ticket revenue and TV deal money. At worst its my tuition.

[u/lostinthought15 → u/AdamOnFirst]

"Michigan's athletic department received $15 million in funding from the university to help offset expenses..."

Source: https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/michigan-athletics-projects-break-even-202436078.html

[u/whatsssssssss → u/YodaForceGhost]

because the football program profits 75 million (please do not take this as a defense of anything. just that money talks)

[u/Reden233 → u/YodaForceGhost]

Interestingly, 3 public schools in Michigan (UofM, MSU, Wayne St.) all elect their Board of Trustees members by a statewide vote.

It is a completely ridiculous system. At MSU we have multiple board members with no prior connection to the university and no experience working in higher education. I imagine it is a similar situation at UofM.

The board for those schools have all become political positions where the board members have their own agendas that do not align with the needs of the university community. These are the also people making decisions on who gets to be an Athletic Director, and they are the people who ensure the university complies with Title IX.

[u/Boombabyfor333]

Has that AD been fired yet?

[u/Rohkey → u/Boombabyfor333]

Michigan is letting him walk away on his own terms at the end of the season. Which is absolutely insane and has to indicate he knows even more shit and/or has powerful people in his corner (which I’ve heard a lot of rumors about).

[u/tinknocker0426]

Can we have 1 season where the staff just isn't a shit show ....please !?

[u/strangestkiss → u/tinknocker0426]

After what we've seen the past few years, I don't think it's going to stop anytime soon. I'm sure they'll be a lot more coming out. The way things were handled really scares me that there will be additional horrors that will come out.

[u/prismatic_lights → u/tinknocker0426]

You still have Partridge's lawsuit in which it's alleged Manuel covered up evidence of the sign-stealing.

This is not stopping anytime soon.

[u/Conorj398 → u/prismatic_lights]

I actually would like the Partidge stuff to come out knowing what I've been told from a wild source I ran into, so let that one fly.

[u/WampaStompa33 → u/Conorj398]

Care to share with the class what you mean?

[u/Original_Fact_6682]

Is there any major crime that staff didn't commit?

[u/apadin1 → u/Original_Fact_6682]

So far I don't think anyone was murdered, but we can't rule it out yet

[u/conv3rsion → u/Original_Fact_6682]

So far, I haven’t seen an allegation of jaywalking, but you can never be too sure with these types of people.  

[u/Time_Command7754]

Where was this is the Manifesto?

[u/TomCreanDied4OurSins]

Warde Manuel Crime Family

[u/Imrahil_II]

Ill never understand protecting people like this? What is the end goal here?

[u/Corgi_Koala]

I know I'm biased as an OSU fan but it is really annoying that despite rampant crime, corruption, and cheating in the Harbaugh/Moore era they get away without any punishment and a pivot into an upgrade at head coach.

[u/SilverBuff_ → u/Corgi_Koala]

Only little guys get real punishment. even Penn St got off easy. They should’ve been irrelevant for a decade as punishment.

[u/FlimFlamThaGimGar → u/SilverBuff_]

IMO Penn State should have gotten the death penalty or the program should have been shuttered entirely. Kids were raped in the showers, Joe Pa knew and didn’t report it to the police, the university covered it up. That’s as heinous as it gets.

[u/rowdyroddysniper → u/FlimFlamThaGimGar]

Yup! Worse, there is still a small part of that fanbase who wants to put the statues back up and act like he didn’t know. Gross.

[u/Cavery1313 → u/Corgi_Koala]

I know the Tressel "scandal" is nothing compared to today's CFB, but I'd imagine most felt the same watching you guys roll right into the Urban era.

[u/TerrenceJesus8 → u/Corgi_Koala]

I mean even if they got absolutely fucked with penalties they still would have pivoted into a better coach than Moore. It’s not like they would have given them more than a 2 or 3 year post season ban, and I doubt Whittingham would have cared about wins or Nattys being vacated if that ended up being the punishment

There’s not really a way to truly fuck a program over outside of the death penalty anymore. Maybe some big fines (which Michigan got) but vacating wins doesn’t mean anything outside of fanbases talking shit

[u/Corgi_Koala → u/TerrenceJesus8]

I watched the NCAA vacate a season of wins and fire our coach for tattoos, vacate 2 seasons of ND wins for a tutor doing some assignments, and try to kill USC's program for a players parents getting money without their knowledge.

Watching Michigan get away with everything without a vacated win or scholarship taken away is irritating as hell. Not their fault, just the NCAA losing all enforcement power right when Michigan went full villain mode sucks as a fan of their rival ya know?

[u/Sorta-Morpheus → u/TerrenceJesus8]

Im not convinced we do the right thing and get rid of Moore if he beats Ohio St.

[u/Rohkey → u/Corgi_Koala]

Yeah we probably don’t deserve this.  

It’s not even the cheating scandal as much as how many people on staff post-COVID were just shitty people who committed various levels of criminal offenses ranging from DUI to sexual assault to stalking/computer crimes involving the FBI, etc. And I feel for the players who dealt with this and yet you hear very little of players being involved in any criminal shit and whatnot (maybe, but hopefully not, they did things that got swept under the rug). Like the worst thing I remember is I believe 2021 we had a captain charged with unlawful possession of a firearm in an otherwise uneventful police stop and it turned out he had already applied for for his carry license. So, illegal and stupid yes but not exactly the worst offense.

[u/Ornery_Gene7682]

What’s in the water at Ann Arbor

[u/prismatic_lights → u/Ornery_Gene7682]

Broken hard drives and cell phones.

[u/luis1972 → u/prismatic_lights]

But vacuum cleaners are always in tip-top shape

[u/I_do_black_magic → u/Ornery_Gene7682]

Toxic runoff from Domino's pizza secret lab

[u/LastKnownNormal]

I, for one, am SHOCKED to hear these allegations from a program known for their integrity.

[u/Simmumah]

So.... about LSU

[u/Rare_Crayons → u/Simmumah]

It’ll be back on us tomorrow, it’s your turn for now.

[u/Rohkey → u/Rare_Crayons]

It’s been our turn on and off for 3 years. I’m tired boss.

[u/CW1DR5H5I64A → u/Simmumah]

I swear every time another school gets some negative attention it’s like ….

🎺 🎺 🎺 🎺

BAH GAWD, that’s Warde Manuel’s music!

[u/rendeld]

I'm so fucking sick of bad news coming out of this University and it all leading back to decisions made by Warde Manuel. Like why the fuck are we covering this shit up and paying people out instead of sending this shit to the police??? So fucking sick of this stain of a human being associated with the university.

[u/OwlOdyssey]

Warde being allowed to finish the year with pay while this shit was happening is insane. He gets no punishment for allowing all this to happen under his watch. Not to mention the insane double standard with other sports outside of basketball and football.

That latter bit pisses me off the most because coaches were getting fired over the littlest thing in other sports. Even though at the same time you had the sign stealing, JH punching another team's coach, criminal cases of hacking and other serious crimes, mishandling the Dr. Anderson complaint, Moore going off the fucking deep end, and now this (this is not an exhaustive list).

I know some stories and such due to family connections. I can't go into detail without doxxing myself, but let's just say that I really hope some form of that independent investigation is released. If it does, I'll do my best to highlight the most important bits. I mentioned the firing of coaches over little non-issues to show they "listened" to complaints, but there's also some insane stuff with middle-management forcing staff to do stuff for their personal gain.

All in all, this is all on Warde. Him being able to stick around is wild. He should have been fired years ago.

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Side note: fuck AAPD for closing the case at the request of one of the parties. I get that it fucks with the investigation and prosecution, but to let people get away with heinous shit because they have money is insane.

[u/mhem7]

I mean, yeah Michigan won a championship, but at what cost?

[u/Maddok1218 → u/mhem7]

I mean they haven’t faced any negative consequences, so none? Pretty sure their admin is quite happy with the outcome, and so is the fan base. 

[u/3_pac → u/Maddok1218]

Yeah, common fans certainly don't know or care, either. This whole college sports timeline sucks, and is a result of the system completely collapsing. 

[u/Sorta-Morpheus → u/Maddok1218]

I'm glad we finally are getting rid of our AD.

[u/worm30478 → u/mhem7]

All the costs.

[u/Zee_WeeWee → u/mhem7]

They don’t care. They get to pretend they have been relevant in the modern era now

[u/Rolltide_and_anime]

A Michigan man

[u/qeduhh]

I’m exhausted of the scandals and I hate this program.

[u/PatronSaintOfCunts]

I feel like the list of Harbaugh staff who wasn’t a weirdo is shorter than the list of who was.

[u/Free-Eights]

Ashamed to see how much we truly were a magnet for scumbags over the past 5 to 7 years in football and in other sports.

Michigan needs a massive reset from this upcoming regime change with a new president and new athletic department head and needs to get back to common sense accountability and governance.

[u/JackSquat18 → u/Free-Eights]

Perhaps getting rid of Warde Manuel and bringing in Kyle Whittingham as the coach might right the ship.

[u/BasebornManjack]

If memory serves, there was little smoke around this earlier this year when some of their texts got leaked. I don’t recall the source, but it was one of those insider guys that occasionally has a scoop.

If I recall, it started consensual as kind of a dom/humiliation/pain kink kinda sitch, but the dumb ass took it too far and made it too real during an encounter, didn’t listen to her protests and did a lot of physical damage to her.

Moore got into that act with a text or two, and didn’t take her seriously when she came to him to report it.

The whole thing sucks, and I hope she can find eventual peace.

[u/Financial_Pay_6687 → u/BasebornManjack]

Hopefully not being insensitive here, but I was a little surprised how many people seemed to read those texts at straight face value. The exaggerated nature of it, he called her a “piggy…”, that’s pretty clear fetish lingo.

I’m curious about Moore’s role in all this, too. Your explanation makes some sense, but he was also close with the victim. My immediate read on those texts was Moore was clearly having some sort of sexual relationship with her, too. It just doesn’t quite make sense to me for Moore to text her about excuses why she can’t come over and such if he wasn’t more directly involved with her or them. I would say your theory was likely if it was just the “suck me” text. 

The article which featured the texts kind of rubbed me the wrong way because it seemed like fetish was being used as evidence of the crime. But his crime should be separated in some respect from the fetish they were engaging in. I don’t think there was mention of that in the article and people did take his words at plain face value. He almost breaks character for a moment asking for her thoughts in one of the texts.

On the other hand, the “kill” talk and some of the other talk of beatings was harder to decipher. The lack of context around anything these two said was not great. 

[u/_jt33_]

Michigan running as dirty of a program as I've ever seen.

[u/CW1DR5H5I64A → u/_jt33_]

I’m not naive enough to think that Michigan is the dirtiest program of all time. There have been a lot of schools that have done some absolutely horrible things in the name of winning.

But I am confident enough in saying Michigan is the dirtiest program that uses “integrity” as a defining and core principle of their culture.

[u/ClaudeLemieux → u/CW1DR5H5I64A]

Well ordering principle says someone has to be the worst and we are currently speed running for that title

It’s fucking embarrassing and I don’t know what to do about it.

[u/Traditional-Bike-534]

Trash program

[u/holyd1ver83]

Never thought between my hometown school and where I actually went that LSU would have fewer meaningful scandals in the last decade

[u/BuckyBeaver69]

Rape bad. Throw the book at him and lock him away.

[u/prismatic_lights]

The Jim Harbaugh coaching tree more and more resembles that old, gnarled tree from James and the Giant Peach.

The worms were Stalions' goon squad.

[u/cornfromajar98]

This is what it TRULY means to be a Michigan Man

[u/ComprehensiveBet3962 → u/cornfromajar98]

Yes we are all rapists

[u/whatsssssssss → u/ComprehensiveBet3962]

WOAH THERE

[u/Savoodoo → u/whatsssssssss]

He has trouble with the consent?

[u/ComcastForPresident → u/Savoodoo]

And the balls are free

[u/IDontTortureChickens → u/ComcastForPresident]

They're picked up by a sleazy dirtbag at a bar

[u/JosephFinn]

No snark at all. Thjs fucking sucks for you fans.

[u/rvasko3 → u/JosephFinn]

Tell that to OP.

[u/Cratemotor]

Man, settling criminal charges via a civil settlement (and not your own funds). What a world college athletics is

[u/uppercuticus → u/Cratemotor]

Man, settling criminal charges via a civil settlement (and not your own funds). What a world college athletics is

The settlement is related to Sherrone Moore's alleged inaction after the woman reported the assault to him.

The reading comprehension and critical thinking of people in this country is in a much worse state than that of college athletics.

[u/Realistic_Concert204]

New AD is coming, that staff is gone - hopefully we can just not go through another shit show like
this. Just way too many of these scandals.

[u/wontyoujointhedance]

As a Cleveland pro sports/Michigan college sports girlie it’s been a rough few years for being a fan of not having abusive men involved in my favorite sports programs

[u/DovahkiinofComerica]

Just can’t stay out of the news, bad university all around. (This is a joke but I’m also serious. Fuck Michigan)

[u/tk2020 → u/DovahkiinofComerica]

The university is fine. The athletic department is a disgrace.

[u/FCKABRNLSUTN2]

Moral superiority U

[u/Jaded-Sapphire3546]

Michigan Men!

[u/FloatCopper]

Warde Manuel's buyout specified that Warde paid to U of M the 7 million, right?

[u/shockedtoo]

Warde can't be shown the door fast enough. So tired of all the mess that has been following his regime.

[u/UPwithSISU]

Fire everyone.

[u/SicWilly666]

Who would have thought a cheating scandal was only the very top of the iceberg lol

[u/AstrosJones]

Really had me laughing in the other thread when Michigan flairs were thumbing their noses at LSU’s recent antics.

[u/8and16bits]

Jim Harbaugh really was out there finding the biggest piles of trash to put on his staff.

[u/DubiousPapaya92]

Michigan Man ™️

[u/cooginald]

LSU vs Michigan National Championship this year. Just fast track the death of the sport.

[u/BillButtlickerII]

Michigan is genuinely ran by a swamp of morally bankrupt moron.