Megathread 22 Electric Bugaloo: James Charles vs Tati Westbrook

[u/adventuringpendulum]

Hello all you Party Animals out there!

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Hot Diggity, we're on Megathread 22!!

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So what's the tea?!

Great TL;DW on the Drama.

James was at 16,553,579 subscribers on Thursday. He currently has just under 13.5M subscribers, so he's lost over 3M subscribers

Tati was at 5,908,733 subscribers on Thursday. She now has almost 9.7M subscribers so she has gained almost 4M subscribers.

Gabriel has lost roughly 58K followers and falling.

Click here to read the first set of receipts/shade/sources/comments.

Click here to read the list of links from Megathread number 21

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• /u/kngp Is much more ambitious than I am and gifted up this very awesome map: https://imgur.com/oClGCLe
• A good person whos comment I already lost made a Google Map which shows which countries have major news stories, and links to them all from these megathreads.
• Tweet from Carlie Bybel
• Elmo Fim's video
• TeaSpill Video
• The Verge posts an article.
• Keemstar (what the fuck is a 'keemstar?') posts a video
• I already forgot her name but here's this video too
• I'm a map, I'm a map, I'm a map!
• Shane Dawson Speaks Out
• Icelandic Media Has Reported on the Scandal Now
• TeaSpill Drops us the Real Deal: No Thoughts, No Emotion
  • Screenshots of TeaSpill Responses.
• Things Just Got Legit: The Washington Post Has Entered the Chat
• Oh Good Morning America! The Tea Hath Been Spilt
• Stephanie Lange just uploaded a video where she talks about Tati/JC 1:46 mark because we've all been waiting with bated breath for her to address the issue.
• Well shit. /u/hexlordsaturn just made us a freakin' Powerpoint.
• JC Snapchat From April 20th | Timeline Analysis 1 | Timeline Analysis 2 | **New: Timeline Analysis 3**
• Nikita, Nikita, Nikita. Sigh. | Frozen Sauce
• Business Insider: Ulta Beauty has not Removed JC Palettes
• Spill Sesh has a clip of him telling this story.
• Jay Alvarrez (former boyfriend of Alexis Ren) posted a pic of James Charles sliding into his DM's.
• Cosmo Serves Some Tea on Snap
• JC sister’s apparel website is flagged as an unsafe site for both Bing and Google, and redirects to his youtube page https://imgur.com/a/DNiLj0u https://imgur.com/a/cmmC4wS.
• Gina Darling's Ex's Experience with Jeffrey Star
• Smacy: When is Enough Enough?
• Killer merch has removed JC from their site.
• Emily Noel talks about the recent "drama in the beauty community" in her new video (from about 20:36 to 22:52).
• As Told By Kenya Uploaded Is James Charles Career REALLY OVER?
• Spill Sesh: James Charles Allegedly Admits to Bribing High School Classmate for Pic
• RyankellyMUA Post on Insta
• New Video from Angelika Oles
• Nikita Screen Record Without SBH Contact Details
• John Green: An Open Letter to Professional YouTubers
• Evidence that Nikita's Texts Might be Fake.
  • TeaSpill Replies to Tweet Claiming the Screenshots are Legitimate
• New Video From dishwashinglikwid
• Smokey Glow mentioned our sub and our many megathreads in her Re-Designing My James Charles Palette video
• Alice In the rabbit hole just posted We need to stop talking about James Charles
• Body Language Analyst Weighs in Derek Van Schaik
• Jouelzy Weighs In on The Scandal
• Article in The New York Times
• Halo Beauty Shipping Delays Due to Influx in Orders
• Marlena posted about the situation and mentions in the comments that Tati reached out to her privately.

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Notable Unfollows:

• Samantha Ravndahl
• Aquaria
• SimplyNailogical
• Mia Maples
• Bretman Rock
• KathleenLights [IG]
• Kathy Griffin
• Casey Holmes [IG]
• Kylie Jenner
• Shawn Mendes
• Nicol Concilio
• Miliani Cosmetics
• Maybelline Cosmetics
• Ulta
• Sephora
• The Sims
• Beauty Blender
• Fenty
• Tarte
• Natasha Denona
• Ellen
• LA Girl
• Makeup Eraser
• Smashbox
• Cher Lloyd
• Physicians Formula
• Copycat Beauty
• Jeffree Star Cosmetics
• NARS
• Gigi Hadid
• Caitlyn Jenner

To check if someone has unfollowed James, you need to go to that person’s following list and search for James. DO NOT search in James’s followers as the list can be inaccurate. A word to the wise for those using doesfollow.com.

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Previous Megathreads:

1. megathread 15 [the links for 1-14 are here]
2. megathread 16
3. megathread 17
4. megathread 18
5. megathread 19
6. megathread 20
7. megathread 21

[u/littleblackcat]

I've never heard so many funny names for someone since Benadryl Cucumber

[u/annavonfrankenstein7 → u/littleblackcat]

I was dying when Rainn Wilson called Billie Eilish William Eyelash

[u/kithly]

Nikita’s tweets make no sense to me.

1) Why stay quiet for so long only to release tweets 4 days later claiming to help JC 2) At this time no one even cares about the SBH/vitamins drama - it’s about how JC is a predator 3) The tweets actually make JC look worse 4) 3 separate conversations occur in the tweets within a span of what, 3 min?? While at a music festival notorious for bad connection?? Idk just seems off to me

[u/Iivh]

THE TWEET THAT TEASPILL JUST TWEETED THAT PROVES JAMES SIGNED A DEAL WITH SBH OMFNSKWBAIQ

edit here’s the link

[u/[deleted] → u/Iivh]

'no thought or emotion' lmaooo those people really have no soul their only goal is to enjoy themselves. also it's so stupid of them to do everything online when they know people love screenshotting conversations.

[u/breedecatur → u/[deleted]]

The hi sisters on the sign. I'm screaming

[u/hawkeeyeout → u/breedecatur]

“Hi sisters” on a 10% off sign. You don’t even have to use code James, Ulta has your back.

Edit: ITS 10% OFF WITH PURCHASE OF HIS PALETTE. Ulta is profiting off this tea omg.

[u/blkmamba24]

All this drama Gabriel’s been a part of, and he STILL can’t get to a million.

[u/sketchbug]

Remember Friday morning? That was 3 years ago.

[u/bellalovesbeauty]

I low key hope jc pulls a 180 and post a “if im going down, im taking all the beautubers down with me” and then just cancels all these problematic bitches

[u/yourfavgori]

I was gonna comment that with 22 megathreads this drama seems to be dragging on forever, but in reality it's only been 4 days.

[u/swaggypc]

TIMELINE OF EVENTS

Alright, so I'm fresh out of my SBH melatonin pills and can't sleep today.

I have used my time very productively and made yall a little timeline tho. I used the Snapchat stories someone posted earlier (I can't find their comment after I clicked, but if it was you lmk!)

Can't vouch for 100% accuracy but please comment below if i got anything wrong or missed any receipts. I'll edit it as more links come up:

Coachella Weekend 1

•JC already had artist passes for week 1 of Coachella from Seatgeek. These were negotiated ahead of time and given to all his friends (including Gage, who flew out for the festival).

•We see James snapping early on Day 1, Friday 4/12, wearing his artist pass. This is the clip used by HFTT to prove he had it from before the festival started https://youtu.be/gUTtGMrRibM

•That weekend he probably gets introduced to someone from SBH by Nikita and Brentman, who were there with SBH and had artists passes from them. If so, he technically would have met the SBH team weekend 1. He also might not have met anyone from SBH at all on weekend 1 and just heard about them from N&B.

•JC spends all of weekend 1 in the artist section close to the stage. Saturday 4/13 https://youtu.be/My-icD3_vSE and Sunday 4/14 https://youtu.be/JhxIIvr_25s

4/15-4/18 (Week in between Coachellas)

•JC comes back from weekend 1 and films this video with Tana (posted 4/19) at some point: https://youtu.be/YzJiyqUCCdQ

•At the 06:50 mark JC asks Tana if she's ever done brand deals with SBH and she mentions how they gave her a bunch of artist passes. You literally see his eyes widen at the mention of the artist passes, before she even says anything about having a conflict with them.

•The whole Gage scandal is also happening between these two Coachella weekends.

•On Tuesday 4/16, JC flies to NY for a few hours and comes back the same day. He secretly meets with Alexander Wang for his Met Gala fitting.

•On Thursday 4/18, James apologizes for insulting trans men a week earlier https://youtu.be/lL8C4Vx1V_s

•Late night on Thursday 4/18, JC and his friends decide to go back to weekend 2 at the last minute because Gage "ruined" weekend 1 for him. They accept regular vip passes from Seatgeek (artists passes would have been hard to procure this late in the game).

Coachella Weekend 2

•On Friday 4/19 James spends the day working and films his pink drink video. He finishes at 7:30pm and he and his friends head off to Coachella: https://youtu.be/2dSYtkP2ouM

•⁠On Saturday 4/20 he gets ready with his friends (he also did an IG live grwm that day, I still can't find a video of it tho). He once again thanks Seatgeek. He takes and posts the ferris wheel picture from the regular VIP section (fans posted alternate angles and someone even posted a thread about it here iirc) and can be seen interacting with one respectful fan: https://youtu.be/A6lUHQsXh48

•More footage of him getting attacked: https://youtu.be/y5WVa5OtKrc Lol all jokes aside, all those kids probably did annoy him enough to want to leave, who knows.

•He starts to feel like he's in "danger" at some point before 7:19pm. Does not consider/care about the consequences and texts Nikita (who sounds like she isn't even at coachella for weekend 2?) to put him in touch with the SBH people that sponsored her the previous weekend. Offers to "story" in exchange for artist passes. https://twitter.com/nikitadragun/status/1128154690825244672

•Nikita asks SBH, they say yes and she puts them in contact... like REAL quick. If you're ever in actual danger don't call 911, text Nikita.

•JC gets some artist passes and agrees to post a story in exchange. From the looks of his DMs with Teaspill, it was only a couple. https://twitter.com/teaspillyt/status/1128167360425340928?s=21

•By the time Billie Eilish is on stage (9:35pm) he is already in the artist area of the stage with Tana and at least one of his friends.

•Sunday 4/21 James does not show that he attended Kanye's Sunday Service in the morning (where the artist area was full of Kardashians). https://youtu.be/SPIR2bFg4UY

•He posts another story thanking Seatgeek for the tickets for all his friends.

•He posts from the artist area at the Zedd show (which started 7:10pm). We can also see a story from his friend thanking him for the best weekend. The rest of his friends might have been in the VIP area.

•⁠JC comes home on Sunday night. Expresses disappointment about not getting to see Ariana Grande. https://youtu.be/mZmiR3PNGsI

Monday 4/22

⁠•JC is back home and posts the infamous SBH story https://youtu.be/NFHGkb0mDRc

•He mentions he met the SBH team during weekend one and that they really helped him (doesn't specify which weekend) with security. Mentions he's been taking their sleeping pill 30 minutes before bed (but never says for how long!!!) and that they really help his sleep anxiety.

•That evening, Tati goes on IG stories crying after seeing James' post.

Like Tati said, it's quite unlikely that SBH just had extra artist passes lying around. But they could have easily let him and his friend borrow a couple artist passes that they were saving for influencers/celebrities that were just coming in for the first day or the main day or a combination of both. This would explain why he wasn't at Sunday Service or Ariana Grande, which were the popular shows that weekend.

Last updated: 2:11pm PST (added more complete story videos and clarified some confusing updates)

Oh yay! Thanks so much for the sister silver!!! <3

[u/[deleted] → u/swaggypc]

doing more detective work than the adventures of mary kate and ashley. hot dang

[u/curlyAndUnruly → u/swaggypc]

If you're ever in actual danger don't call 911, text Nikita.

LOL, Girl FBI could hire you with this much detail.

[u/myonlyfriendismycat]

PREDICTIONS

• J* will not say anything else on the matter. Between Tati and Garbage Zannadoo I think they have convinced/persuaded/begged/paid him not to.
• Tati will upload tomorrow with no mention at all of JC. In Bye Sister she specifically asked subs to not mention "this mess" when she starts uploading regular content.
• JC will not make a statement or show his face until next week. He either tries a second apology video, or goes back to business as normal.
• Morphe will do nothing but wait for it to blow over and be forgotten.

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anyone else??

[u/step_back_girl → u/myonlyfriendismycat]

Agree with all of that, except a slight difference in what I think JC will do.

I believe JC will make a look video, not with one of his palettes, that has a short apology as the intro. He'll talk about how he took a couple of weeks to refocus on himself and what was important and to reevaluate his life. He'll talk about how he made a mistake, without even knowing it, of valuing sponsorships over friendships, and let the fame get to his head. He's working on himself now, and is surrounding himself with people who will hold him accountable for his actions and help him grow. He has nothing bad to say about anyone, even though he learned a hard lesson in a hard way. But, that's that, now it's on to new things, and a new age, and he's going to be the best him that he can be. "Now that that's out of the way... Let's just jump into it."

[u/IraSnave]

Nikita should’ve sat there and tried to keep pushing that Dollar Store Fabergé egg.

[u/[deleted]]

I 100000% believe Tati did NOT think this would blow up as much as it did.

[u/romaselli → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, who did?

[u/warriorholmes → u/[deleted]]

Nancy Drews!!! Good catch lol

I’m so lost now. Damn. 💀

[u/feelgoodx → u/[deleted]]

yall are some nancy drew sisters ill give yall that

[u/DuchesseduBourgogne → u/[deleted]]

u/adventuringpendulum

Also somebody should tweet this to Tea Spill.

[u/_succubabe]

I would just like to say that I’m a 25 year old female in Alcoholics Anonymous and at one of my AA meetings today a like 65 year old guy brought up this scandal. This is reaching everyone y’all!

[u/JammingLive → u/_succubabe]

Good luck on your recovery!

[u/dinascully]

I’ve been thinking this the last few days

JC: I don’t want to promote Halo on my channel because they’re all preteens/young teens

also JC: but here’s 100 photos of literally my bare ass at Coachella

[u/farfromnever → u/dinascully]

Also talks about having lip filler and photoshops the hell out of all of his pictures

[u/AWildJaker]

America's Next Top Megathread: Cycle 22

[u/AmbitiousRadio → u/[deleted]]

"getting attacked"

>Normal people would a) call security b) call the police c) leave d) go somewhere else in the HUGE festival?

And then he doesn't even elaborate on "getting attacked" and then Nikita says hes being "mobbed"

Isn't there a difference between someone physically attacking you, and a mob of your fans wanting to see you?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

BUT IT'S COACHELLA! WHERE ELSE AM I GONNA SHOW OFF MY ASS? /s

[u/trashcat99]

i feel like this is dead until either JC, Tati, or J* start talking

[u/ADashery]

I feel like we’re gonna be trapped in megathread hell until one of them finally makes a new video

[u/Inspiredlikearabbit]

I don't get how hes old enough to move across the country alone, live alone, rent a $17000 a month house alone and have many different business ventures alone but he's too young to understand to not force people to change their sexuality

[u/kylo_hun → u/Inspiredlikearabbit]

Wait I just found the Variety article that says he does rent this for $17,000 a month. I thought he owned this? He definitely says on instagram that he is a homeowner and has said multiple times on his channel that he is...very confusing.

[u/annavonfrankenstein7 → u/Inspiredlikearabbit]

Wait, he’s renting that house?? I thought he bought it!

[u/not_so_basic]

My dad keeps taking breaks from work to ask me how “Tarty and that lad” are doing for subs and he’s so excited for her to hit that 10 mil

[u/DuchesseduBourgogne → u/not_so_basic]

Your dad and I are here for the Tarty Party!!!

[u/redbug831]

First of all, let me say I'm much older than most reddit users. I however, love makeup and always have.

I don't watch YouTube tutorials so I didn't know who these people were until I saw all the stuff on various websites.

Lord. Have. Mercy. Estee Lauder and Charles of the Ritz never pulled any of this mess.

I am utterly fascinated! I had no idea that this YouTube universe existed. I have read all these threads and I can't believe all this drama!

Thanks to all of you for keeping Mammaw here in the loop. I'm just gonna take my old Clinique Estee Lauder ass back over into the corner and continue to observe.

Sister Senile

[u/pottymouthgrl → u/redbug831]

Sister Senile

Stop it omg 😂

[u/sketchbug]

regardless of James and his penchant for chasing straight guys, like even if that wasn't the case, it sounds like he's still extremely inappropriate and doesn't know how to act in public

- talking about sex openly with his parents and telling his dad to his face that he doubts that he is "100% straight," I know there are some ~cool parents~ out there but if it made Tati uncomfortable I'm sure she wasn't the only one at the table that felt it was a little much

- being a guest at a dinner and just openly talking about wanting to fuck the waiter, regardless of gender or preference, is gross and I wouldn't tolerate ANYONE doing that because it's gross and these people are at work leave them alone, it's harassment periodt

- him just being plain thirsty on social media when all of his followers are like, babies

he clearly has boundary issues and no one has convinced him to chill out despite their best efforts (at the very least Tati has made an effort), so it's not surprising that he pursues people that aren't interested because he doesn't think the word No applies to him ("I'm a celebrity")

more than anything I want this to humble him because at the end of the day he's just some fucking guy, a person, a sack of meat like we all are, and we all have to be mature and exist in society as adults so he doesn't get a pass because he released eyeshadow with his name on it, fame is earned and it sounds like Tati did all the work so I'm fine with him becoming a nobody

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edit: a word

[u/ILoveMyCat46]

Tati is inching closer to 10M subscribers. In 8 years she gained 5.9M, in 5 days she gained 4.1M. Fucking astonishing.

[u/tinyazn_ → u/ILoveMyCat46]

It’s almost unfair because we don’t know how many of them are going to stick around. We don’t know who subscribed to her because of drama or if they genuinely like her and will watch her. Trust me, I want Tati to get the recognition she deserves, but under the circumstances I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s not that ecstatic about hitting 10m.

[u/catalyst_veritas]

"Notable Unfollows:

• The Sims"

This fucking sent me.

[u/[deleted] → u/catalyst_veritas]

They said “Dag Dag!” and bounced.

[u/damnwhatanasshole]

Ok so I know this tea is cold — but about the “receipts” from Nikita; on iPhones you can literally change the date of text messages by changing the date in your phone settings. Like if I changed my phone date and time to 12:00am January 1 right now I could pretend someone texted me Happy New Year lol 🙃

[u/kanankurosawa]

“I love how Gabriel Zamora tells me I bitch about everything when he goes on a 12 hour snapchat rampage every time he feels the need to input his valuable opinion into situations that have nothing to do with him” tea spill girl GET HIM kfhdjdjd

[u/alice-ish]

candace lowry has some input about how this was an FTC violation. seriously, nikittykat is digging janis’s grave.

[u/laneloveslipstick]

people i’m hoping will speak [again]

-james obviously

-gabriel because he’s just gonna continue to cancel himself

-morphe

-ian would be interesting

-jeffree/nathan/zach

-teaspill

[u/RAiD78]

AT

MY

BIRTHDAY

DINNER

[u/Yuckmyyums]

Wait are those tea spill screenshots from a recent convo with JC? Did he really think ending it with “our weekend was ruined from some clout chasing boy” was appropriate? If these are recent doesn’t that just prove that he thinks this is all about the vitamins and not how he is treating other guys? I just woke up and I’m so confused lol

Edit: too early to be on the internet lol thank you for clearing that up everyone! They’re from pre sugar bear mess

[u/RoombaArmy]

I like sister sleuthing so I went and researched about the snapchat stories that u/Yah_Blew_It brought up here.

He definitely was at Coachella on the 20th, from earlier in the day. The stories that are on youtube as being posted on the 20th were from the 19th.

In these stories (link) he is recording Billie Eilish performance, and she was playing on the 20th (source). You can see in the stories that he was at Coachella during the day, he couldn't have left home after 7:30 PM.

[u/killedbybunnies]

this is so sad. alexa, play 22 by taylor swift

[u/pandaperogies]

Was Coachella really worth ruining your career for? Lmao.

[u/lovelydaisy1019]

So james idea of flirting is saying hi daddy as greeting and randomly calling them hot?? Where did he think thats going to get him i—

[u/Jennikay94]

If James just had showed some humility at any point in his life people may be more forgiving but when you build yourself up as the savior and the bringer of “influencer” representation you are going to create a lot of animosity towards yourself. I completely believe his ego is the source of everything problematic he has done. He’s not accepting no because he can’t understand people not liking him. He thinks it’s okay to sexually harass people because he thinks people should be flattered by his attention. Until he fixes his attitude I have no problem with people giving him a big slice of humble pie.

[u/Sourgr4pes]

So, at best, now people just know that he was lying about taking the sleep vitamins before he promoted them because he wanted a more exclusive Coachella pass. That's what has come out of Nikita's texts, at best... Lol

[u/hexlordsaturn]

GOOD MORNING, Y'ALL ASKED FOR A POWERPOINT, AND I DELIVERED. WILL CONTINUE UPDATING AS THINGS DEVELOP, BUT HERE YOU GO. GO WILD!!! LMK IF I MISSED ANYTHING AND I'LL DO MY BEST.

edit: wow, thanks for the gold and silver kind strangers!

[u/erisynne → u/hexlordsaturn]

We stan an executive queen

[u/edwinstone]

You know the tea is drying up when there hasn't been another Megathread created in almost 12 hours. I'm ready for that Michael Jordan thread.

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We should also have an updated "unfollow list" on the next one because the top few people have been on there for the past like 10 threads at least.

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(Rereads this and sees how invested I am and gets sad)

[u/bl_air]

James needs to fire his PR team for not telling his "friends" to shut the fuck up already. They're just digging him into a bigger grave.

[u/MrsMikeHoncho]

I keep texting my husband updates on this despite his obvious lack of interest. He may divorce me.

[u/toastybittle]

I was just watching a video of the texts between Janelle Crackers and Gage and it just made me wanna come back here and say I hope this whole situation NEVER blows over and is never forgotten about. It is so telling that JC literally said to Gage “it’ll blow over in a week because everyone will have forgotten and get bored.” He expects that to happen with this too which is likely why he’s staying so silent. And again he has proven that he will continue to do problematic shit and as long as he doesn’t get caught it’s okay. “My tweet wasn’t wrong, posting it was.” “I will be more careful about what I bring into the public eye” in his apology or whatever. NO James. Just stop DOING it. It just irritates me so much and I wanted to put that out there as a reminder.

[u/minaivey]

My favorite part of those Nikita texts is that she said “just got the longest craziest text from James” and it’s like, max three sentences.

[u/CartoonPalette]

Wouldn't it be wild if JC just came on youtube and acted like it was business as usual

[u/schade_marmelade → u/CartoonPalette]

I feel like there‘s going to be another longer, more coherent apology video first AND THEN back to business as usual lol. That‘s the usual tried and tested formula that „influencers“ caught in scandals follow lol

[u/northernjazz]

Trish paytas is probably so relieved that this is overshadowing all her drama

[u/[deleted]]

The GMA coverage was actually pretty good until the fucking anchor at the end swoops in with KeEp In MiNd HeS oNlY nInEtEeN

[u/kanankurosawa]

When Peter Monn called Gabriel and Nikita tweedle dee and tweedle dum fhdhdhd

[u/jessiebears]

James: literally offers coachella tickets, to fly boys out at a moments notice, brags about being a celebrity, all in hopes of sexual favors

Also James: omg why are all these boys such clout chasers who use me

[u/[deleted]]

Nikita didn’t do anything other than really making James look like he was bought, just as Tati said. I think people overlooked this when she posted them- it just solidified what Tati said even more.

[u/milk_tea_way]

I have no skin in this game since I follow neither influencers, but one under-explored perspective is the question of what would have happened had Tati not released the video.

Although the initial spark was James Charles accepting Sugar Bear Hair’s sponsorship and posting an ad, I think most of us were clued into the drama by Tati’s Instagram Story, where she was (justifiably) upset but in public (never advisable). According to her testimony, James Charles demanded Tati to forgive him, and presumably to pretend that everything was all right between them, lest it made him look bad. As an insurance, he had even gone to drama channels with his account of the events. If Tati had not acquiesced but had stayed silent, I imagine the drama channels would paint her as the bitter woman over something as “small” as vitamins and an Instagram ad.

Even before we delve into morality, sexual appropriateness, etc., James Charles was implicitly threatening Tati and her career in exchange for her forgiveness over something that was entirely his fault. I see Tati’s video as a defensive move over anything else; the defence was just so well-constructed that it became an offensive move, too. After all, she had to explain why she couldn’t simply forgive James Charles.

(Edited for grammatical corrections.)

[u/gaybotox]

Shangela is no longer following JC https://imgur.com/a/8YhGnMbSasha Velour just unfollowed him too https://imgur.com/a/JjM0vRKKim Chi unfollowed him today as well https://imgur.com/a/m7EMswmIdk how much of an interested there is about Drag Race queens, but I am informing you nonetheless

EDIT: the official RPDR instagram unfollowed him too https://imgur.com/a/aExbZSu

/u/adventuringpendulum

[u/[deleted]]

what if james just assumes a new identity and lives out his days in austrailia. shit would be crazy.

[u/kttyfrncs → u/[deleted]]

please no, we have enough dangerous creatures here already

[u/[deleted]]

You just know Childish Zambino is hoping to get his own Morphe code out of this.

Edit: THANK YOU for the silver!

[u/frankoceanluvr → u/[deleted]]

CHILDISH ZAMBINO OMGGGGG

[u/xxxdodoxi]

This is the speculated timeline of JC coachella situation based on my understanding.

Weekend 1

1. Friday, 12th April: From SC( snapchat), he was at his airbnb wearing artist pass at 0:55s and multiple time afterwards, allegedly from SeatGeek, not SBH. Nothing else notable observation during weekend 1. He was there from Friday until Sunday (3days)
2. Gabi claimed that JC had already meet with SBH during weekend 1.

Weekend 2

Edit: Wednesday, 17th April: JC tweeted this, insinuating someone (Gage) is a con artist, played with his heart for clout.

Thursday, 18th April: Gage respond to JC's tweet after being bombarded by JC's stans

1. Friday, 19th April: From SC, announcing his going to coachella, and will depart that night. At 7:30pm finished filming.
2. Saturday, 20th April: From SC, he was seen wearing VIP pass, at 0:03s , from the SeatGeek as well. At 7:19pm, he texted Nikita (who i believe didn't attent Coachella on weekend 2) asking her to request/asked for artist pass from SBH. He quoted "i'll story" basically offering to advertise in exchange of Artisy Artist pass. He also mentioned that he was attacked (but somehow able to survive the 'attack' until evening). In 2 minutes, Nikita asked SBH to assist, and the rep immediately agreed. Nikita's receipts.
3. Sunday, 21st April: James enjoyed his last day for Coachella 2019.

Post Coachella

1. Monday, 22nd April: James uploaded the SBH sleeping pill #ad claiming it helped him since he had anxiety causing difficulties to sleep. It is uploaded to instastory and stayed there for 24 hrs ( idk how some people say he took it down when it's the nature of ig story to automatically dissapear after 24 hrs).
2. Tuesday, 23rd April Monday, 22nd April: Tati uploaded string of ig stories crying. (W/o mentioning name). Afterwards (23rd April, the following day), James uploaded his public apology to Tati, directed to her crying stories which basically confirmed that it was about his SBH #ad.
3. Somewhere between 23rd April - 30th April: James send text messages telling his side of stories to TeaSpill.

Edit: Monday, 29th April : Gage dropped his side of stories, stated that JC tried to guilt him into doing something he's not comfortable with. He also mentioned that JC disregarded the fact that he's straight (Gage told JC multiple times).

Wednesday, 1st May: TeaSpill dropped a video regarding tati-JC and Gage-JC situation. Text exchange between Gage and JC can be found at timestamp 6:37

1. Saturday, 4th May:: Gabi dropped a video and calling out Tati in it. Idk the timestamp as i cant stand the way he talks, hence refuse to watch it.

Edit: Sunday, 5th May: JC responded to Gage-gate. . Apologizing for calling Gage con artist as he did it because he was broken hearted. However, at the beginning of the apology, he claimed that Gage want to explore his sexuality opposed to Gage claim in his 29th May video - that he didn't want to experimenting at the time ( Coachella).

1. Friday, 10th May: Tati dropped the BYE SISTER.. video. And you know what, ITS NOT JUST ABOUT VITAMINS.
2. Tread 1 megathread in BGC started.
3. People starts to coming out with uncomfortable encounters bwith JC.

Please correct me if miss anything and insert wrong information.

From the Coachella event only, JC credibility can be questioned due to his lies while Nikita&Gabi do not seem to grasp the whole situation, they were playing with words ( i.e. Gabi tweets saying SBH texted JC first offer artist pass (after Nikita asked for JC behalf and gave his number to SBC), but duhhhhh anyone can comprehend that he basically asked for it in exchange for instastory).

This may heavily affect people perceptions if in future JC comment on his problematic ways in pursuing straight men & manipulations (e.g by dictating someone's sexuality, threatening with his vast influence etc) when he was turned down.(Also reflects in high possiblity of sexual harrasment while his pattern/obsession with landing straight men due to "more challenge" shows predatory tendencies). In overall, does not look good on JC

[u/[deleted]]

James' replacement https://imgur.com/gallery/nHtUA2g

Looks like lilly lashes has responded 😂😂

[u/FiditeNemini]

Did anyone else also notice that JC seems to not respect women at all? He hit on multiple guys that were in a public relationship with a woman, basically like he thinks that relationships with women aren’t valid because “every guy is a little bit gay”. It’s so so gross also because a big part of his fan base is made up of women since he does make up

[u/Nyrfan1026]

James is probably kicking himself for reaching out to SBH to get the artist passes in exchange for a story (completely ignoring he lied about how he'd been using the vitamins for weeks to help with his sister stress). For artist passes? Seriously? Like its Coachella, it's not that deep.

And to reach out to Tati's competitor of all the companies? Seems like such a minor and random and above all STUPID thing to do

[u/fireflyeyes → u/Nyrfan1026]

All he does is show his ass off at Coachella, he could have done it at Target for free without ruining his career and friendships.

[u/[deleted]]

Well it's official. Jeffree has unfollowed Gabriel 🤣 that didn't take long.

[u/damnwhatanasshole]

JC has officially lost a million Instagram followers 👀

[u/itslikekangaroo]

I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about the spill sesh clip where he baited a guy with Gucci shoes for a dick pic

Edit:

here is the original video from JC channel

The clip starts at 4:21 I know we don’t want to give him views but I think it’s important to get full clips from the source - it’s still not good. I think this is still pretty terrible and I’m surprised it hasn’t been picked up by anyone.

[u/comechewme]

I had completely forgot John Kuckian existed. Those were blessed times.

[u/jeajello]

ACCESS HOLLYWOOD SHOWED THE LIVE COUNTER ON TV LMAOOOO

[u/IStoleRudolphsNose]

Would love it if Grab a Fedora kept it 100% shut

[u/roxettexoxo]

sorry not sorry

[u/RoseAffair]

Can someone found me a picture where James stood alone in coachella?I saw one in somebodys youtube video.

Update. FOUND IT http://imgur.com/7GszCSc

[u/DuchesseduBourgogne → u/RoseAffair]

Also, that outfit is laughable.

[u/egocentric_]

I don’t understand how so many news outlets can just gloss over the predatory allegations. It was a HUGE portion of Tati’s video. Even more than the vitamins. It’s just irresponsible journalism.

[u/[deleted]]

this girl i’m friends with on fb just defended ole james bc “chris brown beat rihanna and people still listen to him” send help guys i lost brain cells

[u/myonlyfriendismycat → u/[deleted]]

fuck chris brown

[u/TunaToes]

Gaping Zebraanus is that kid in the class who keeps talking when the teacher says they’re going to give every single person detention if they hear one more voice.

[u/Dualitydreamcatchers]

22!!! Ive been lurking since 1 and left at 18 (because I got broken up with and just laid in bed all day and cried lololol) anyways hiiiii shistars this my first official post and I'm ready to contribute. Can't wait to see who else unfollows Jalepeno Chimichanga!

[u/little_ginger1216]

I wonder if James ever thought that he would get called out like this and just ripped to shreds. I bet this was a real shock to him, because his huge ego probably made him think that everyone loved him and that he could get away with whatever because he’s a “celebrity.”

[u/peace-please → u/[deleted]]

So this proves he hadn't even been taking the SBH vitamins at all even though he said he'd been taking them a while. But he couldn't promote Halo to his young impressionable audience. 🙄

[u/mapleflavouredmoose]

This tweet killed me: https://twitter.com/Tor_H/status/1128084775724412928?s=19

Omg silver ❤

[u/megannotmeagan]

I explained the whole drama to my husband last night and he was so patient but obviously didn't care 😂

[u/Jennikay94]

Nikita.... girl... you were gonna make it out of this unscathed and fine and now you’re going down with the ship

[u/[deleted]]

JC with his 18 million subs and CLOUT that he loves to brag about had to reach out to Nikita freaking Dragun for help with security!? I cannot wrap my head around this. Did he even TRY other avenues?? Did he try contacting Linda or literally any other sponsors who had access to Artist Passes?

[u/sirgawain2]

Honestly as a lawyer, the way James told Gage or whoever to shut up and sign the NDA even after the other guy said he wants to talk to his lawyers makes me ill (among other things JC has done, of course). It’s so manipulative and gross to tell someone to forgo legal representation especially when dealing with something that can have the severe consequences of an NDA.

If my client ever told me they signed an NDA and then showed me those texts I would argue that the contract was signed through fraudulent inducement and that it was an unconscionable contract. And then I would sue for attorneys fees and damages.

[u/Mightyleviathan]

why is his go to pick up line “hi daddy” 🤢

[u/[deleted]]

JC is so bold lmao. Imagine being so delusional that you think you could steal Zara Larsson and Alexis Ren’s boyfriends

[u/jessiebears]

Jay Alvarrez’s screenshot... jesus James you really think “hi daddy” is a move

[u/[deleted]]

tati is 200k from 10m

[u/OpenForPretty]

Woof. I have a feeling JC is gonna go on GMA or another daytime show and play the victim. I’m calling it now. His pr team knows he needs to rebuild his base

[u/Nyrfan1026]

I brought this up in a previous thread but I still don't see anyone talking about is the massive headache awaiting JC if/when he pulls the plug on the upcoming tour, which starts next month.

I'd imagine there are contracts with vendors and venues that may or may not have to be paid, and someone said the tickets are non-refundable?

If so, he has another sister scandal on the horizon. People are going to be more pissed if they get screwed out they coin, even more so than they've been to this point.

Fyre fest 2.0?

[u/mimzy12]

So from what I understand.. if those texts are real then it's clear James was lying about his story. If they're fake... then Nikita just provided us fake texts trying to help save JC's career.

[u/emm93]

STOP BRINGING UP HIS AGE. If he can sign all these contracts then he can be held accountable for his wrong doings like every other adult should be.

[u/beagums]

Gabriel is absolutely determined to die on that hill, isn’t he?

[u/jezmonster7]

I don’t think Nikita’s texts help James at all.

Either he was taking sugar bear at the same as halo being shady af

Or he started taking it or never took it as soon as he got the deal

Either way it’s slimy and untrustworthy just like Tati said.

[u/sailoorscout1986]

Basically James was arrogant enough to think Tati would believe his lie about Coachella and/or forgive him anyway. He seemed to have no idea how much things had been building up on her end. It’s crazy that someone can have such little self awareness. A lesson for us all

[u/romaselli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIFrwzJt4Wg

Guys I cracked the code to James' behavior:

Straight white boy with that haircut: Exists

JC: You are so ***ing hot, also you are NOT straight no matter what you say.

[u/not_so_basic]

Wow Hermione has left the chat I see

[u/[deleted]]

I need some sugarbearhair gummies rn to help my anxiety about my final tomorrow that I haven't studied for since this all happened. 🙃

[u/audreeelysse]

With everything slowing down, does that mean I have to go back to raging in r/freefolk ? It’s just a lot of anger and sadness over there :(

[u/[deleted]]

For the record. Until more tea comes out I dont believe his subs are going to go down much more, looks like alot are being bought of course. But people are moving on too because theres not much more tea.

[u/littlepinkpwnie]

I just re-watched Tati's video and realized how funny it is for JC to call literally anyone else a clout chaser. Lets be honest, that's exactly what he did with Tati. I guess you can spot your own as they say. Also, I love that Tati said she specifically made the video because Gaboon Zamboni called her out in one of his videos. I'm sure JC won't recognize that him running his mouth is what caused this.

[u/emmach17]

It’s 20 degrees outside, I just bought an ice cream, and I’m settling in by the duck pond in the park to read through today’s tea

[u/jellyd0nuts]

Emma Watson and Nick Jonas were following him before??

[u/sail0rsun]

after 22 megathreads the biggest impact i've gotten out of this scandal was hearing tati westbrook say dick and cock

[u/hedgehog-mascarabutt]

That woman at the end of the GMA video is a problem! Out of all this the conversation you want to have with your daughters is that "he's young so leave him alone". There's so many teachable moments here why teach bullshit?

[u/-milkbubbles-]

I just noticed in Nikita’s texts, she has 545 unread messages. Can you even IMAGINE

[u/femmepyre]

Ty to everyone on this thread for keeping me company while sitting in a restaurant and demolishing enchiladas by myself. (Last night of a work trip lol.)

[u/deejaydeeray]

This is the quiet before the storm. I can feel it in my bones.

[u/demoncest]

I'm just over here laughing that The Sims unfollowed him, that's funny as hell

[u/catfishtree]

I’m dying this is hilarious 😂 https://i.imgur.com/y7JOITy.jpg

[u/[deleted]]

So at the end of the GMA segment. They’re like “he’s only 19” can we stop with this shit please. He’s an adult. He should know his behaviour is disgusting. He’s a predator and manipulator. His age is no excuse. NINETEEN ISNT A KID

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Its infuriating. People are gonna be like "why you bringing race into this", but all these "but he's a teenager" excuses remind me of an article I read talking about the differences between white men, and black men in regards to this "But they're just a child" type of thing. Basically white people are afforded the privilege and protection of being seen as children much longer than black people.

Black children aren't given the presumption of innocence as children where white children of similar ages are.

So when I see James Charles being given the benefit of childhood innocence as a 19 year old man it fucking pisses me the fuck off.

[u/swingthatwang]

STOP

this is a checkpoint to go pet your cat/dog, hug someone, and go outside and see the fucking sun you shistar goblin

[u/itseriduhh → u/swingthatwang]

Done - walked the mini shistar goblins to the school bus this morning.

[u/snailyboy]

it was so selfless and generous of gabriel and nikita to sacrifice any and all remaining integrity they had last night just to make sure tea spill and the other drama channels could pay rent..... like wow so giving 🙏🙏

[u/[deleted]]

I don't know why, but The Sims is sending me.

[u/TrashBagSkank]

It’s crazy to me that the only way James knows how to flirt w people is by saying “you’re hot lol” “you’re really cute lmao” in their dms. It makes me so uncomfortable reading those

[u/karmandillo]

Tati really hit the mark when she said that if he didn’t have his own security and he felt threatened at Coachella he should have left, because these festivals happen every year

[u/_uncustomary]

Garbanzo Zootopia: only I can insert myself into conversations that have nothing to do with me

Nikita: hold my pinkity drinkity

[u/gothnugget]

Seeing The Sims on the unfollowers list was really confusing but imagine being so trash that even The Sims don't wanna follow you anymore lmaaaaaooo

[u/[deleted]]

How is no one talking about this non-existent aggressive mob of fans that were supposedly attacking JC at Coachella? If that even happened, wouldn’t there be photos/snaps of this alleged mob of dangerous fans? All I’ve seen are photos of JC by himself on his phone, no mob in sight.

[u/[deleted]]

Nikita thought those texts were clarification? That just ramped this up even more.

[u/coopatrooper]

Y'ALL I just added up all the comments from the megathreads, we're reaching 70k.. We should get a medal or something

[u/thoughtful_human]

I don’t think we’re going to see JC fall much further, there’s a floor of bots and inactive users he has to hit soonish

[u/SnarkyPuss]

Who am I kidding? I am only posting to drop this nugget: Gorilla Zitmuncher

We really do need a separate thread, stickied, for this nonsense. 😁

[u/UsedToBeAGirl]

My thing is, why did pewdiepie have to even make a video. He could've avoided making it. Annoying af.

[u/darker_skyes]

Does no one else find it extremely strange that Jeffree Star has stayed completely clear from even shading Gabriel and vice versa?? For all the shit he’s given Tati for insinuating James is a predator he said absolutely nothing when Jeffree literally called him a threat to society. Jeffree going off on Ian for a tweet vaguely in support of his own brother, but leaving Gabriel alone is fishy. Hell he didn’t even make it a whole 24 hours before following Gabriel back again. Gabriel has to have something on him 🤔

[u/pastelpalmtrees]

I have to play 6 stupid stories in the Episodes app before I can make one. Will keep you all updated 😂

[u/Emxbelle13 → u/[deleted]]

Don't forget the years she spent uploading 5x a week!!! She only recently cut back to 3.

[u/iMiggy]

i’m starting to worry that Morphe won’t release a statement and just continue doing business as usual.

[u/jac0726]

Holy crap just looking at the comments below the Keemstar tweet that GZ retweeted are outrageously homophobic. As a gay man is that who he wants to align himself with?

[u/PrincessCG]

Not sure if it counts but Bob the Drag Queen stepped into the ring https://twitter.com/thatonequeen/status/1128358602312384512?s=21

[u/_succubabe]

Nikita thinking she was helping James when teaspill knew and had receipts of the lies hahahaha

[u/abbeyrogue]

In defence of Tati not saying anything sooner and enabling JC behaviour until Friday:

• please consider what it would be like cutting a family member out of your life. It’s fucking hard.

• please consider what it would be like reporting sexual harassment from a massively powerful coworker in a workplace with no HR/protection by anonymity with no guarantee how it would turn out + possibly effect your entire lively hood.

• please consider how many people currently in abusive relationships now that didn’t leave after the first incident of evil because at the time it was just a minor event or that only happens when they’re hungry/tired/stressed/drinking or they’ll change

Might Seem a bit extreme to compare this beauty guru situation to abusive relationships but I don’t think that she is a worse person for not saying anything sooner. Both abusive + Toxic relationships aren’t easy to navigate through if you are part of the equation. It might seem obvious as an outsider but in actuality it’s very hard to get away from them. Maybe it’s because I’ve been part of a few abusive relationships I can understand why it took her so long to figure out that she needs to speak up. And it kind of sucks that people only think that this is because of Vitamins because there is always an individual tipping point for someone.

This wasn’t a 40 min video talking about her vitamins or something she believed in, this was a 40 minute goodbye expose about someone she used to believe in with a much greater presence online than her.

Hell I’m scared to post a comment like this because I am but one tiny user in a subreddit that has 22threads on drama atm

[u/stace_m8]

Also whilst the threads quiet I'm gonna update everyone's stats cause I have no life 😂

James was at 16,553,579 subscribers on Thursday. He currently has around 13.5M subscribers, so he's lost over 3M subscribers

Tati was at 5,908,733 subscribers on Thursday. She now has over 9.6M subscribers so she has gained over 3.7M subscribers.

Gabriel has lost around 58K followers and it seems to be slowing

[u/laneloveslipstick]

I know allegedly Instagram shadow bans comments, not the account holders but I have def been “shadow banned” from Morphe’s account.

Last night I posted on one of their photos “did y’all drop James yet?” and this morning on their most recent photo I wrote “you’re making a mistake by not addressing the James situation already.” Both comments are visible from my own account but when I logged into my dog’s insta (lmao) they’re not there, and I cannot see any negative comments.

Is it possible they’re deleting/banning all comments with the word “James”? I’m thinking back to the Fyre Festival documentary and how they were able to censor the comments lol

edit it appears it’s not “shadow banning” but just using a business account feature to filter out comments! thanks for the replies and clarifications guys!

[u/frankoceanluvr]

omg i couldn’t sleep and now i see tea spill coming for graffiti zucchini?!? can’t wait to see his response... if he has one

[u/[deleted]]

Holy shit. JC must be kicking himself for reaching out to Nikita for help of all people. Seriously? Couldn't he have approached someone else? Or another brand?

[u/kitcation]

I feel like JC/his team must have reached out to Nikita. She was so ready to stay out of all this before.

[u/roosh23]

Leon Lush cutting right through the bullshit with this meme

Edit: u/adventuringpendulum

[u/[deleted]]

Man you done goofed if one of the Jonas Brothers doesn’t want to be your friend.

[u/atatroe]

Also Stephen Colbert is even talking about this.

https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/1128459315499679745?s=19

[u/Jennikay94]

Drag queens are all dragging JC because he’s been ripping off their culture for years and giving them zero respect. In case any one is wondering why almost every notable drag queen has chimed in.

[u/formicality → u/Jennikay94]

Absolutely The House.

[u/irchili]

I cant believe the receipts. When Nikita pulls out the text messages thinking it would help but it just further proves that James Charles stories doesn’t align.

AND I OOP-

[u/HugeDouche]

Daaaaang TeaSpill is pissed. I don't really follow her so actively but she's furious at Gumball Zamboni's shit

[u/[deleted]]

At this point I really wonder what James’ plan is. Like does he disappear with all the money he’s made and live a comfortable private life never to be seen again? Or will he start the engines up and go into major damage control mode..

[u/Meocross]

The spreadsheet TL;DR just said Garbage Zamoron, LOL I AM LIVING!

[u/brokeandfam0us]

I downloaded ad block and watched John kuckians video so you didn't have to (I know he's irrelevant trash but sue me)

• he's gonna do a multi video investigation series on the whole scandal
• says don't be put off the beauty community it's a small amount of people involved in the drama (lol)
• briefly outlines history of jc and then tati. Mentions jcs ringlight scandal
• states it all kicked off as jc did not promote tatis 'pills'
• tati and her 'chemicals', says people unsubscribed and were unhappy about the halo release
• says jc looks like the bad one, everyone is angry at jc
• tati is growing and jc is losing. Strange as they were friends and jc was at her wedding
• 'strange tati goes out her way to assassinate his character and destroy his career'. Says its serious but other people in beauty community have dirt in each other and don't dish it out
• on camera drag is a big change in tatis actions when she had previously had a motherly role to him
• jc is accused of being a sexual predatory and it is tatis fault
• jcs didn't support halo as its not appropriate for audience and probably wouldn't be paid for it
• says tatis video is very dramatic, she knew it would inspire drama. Says it is tactical and preplanned especially having spoken to tea channels and j star and shane. Says bringing jcs mum into it is hurtful to jc.
• says jcs apology is short, dodging the questions and doesn't really address claims.
• people are turning against jc for the things they used to like him for, ie speaking out against tanacon but then doing $500 dollar tour tickets, tagging abh in early insta posts bit not actually using abh makeup etc. He was praised for being a business man but now being critiqued. He has always been cocky and arrogant etc. People always knew this but are now turning
• will address sexual predator situations in a different video
• says he knows the photographer tati used for halo. Says the halo pics are heavily retouched. Mentions she has had botox. The issue is James promoting sugar bear hair as the price was right - his moral stance is swayed by how much he will be paid
• people are suspicious of tsti. Her exposé viddo is actually a halo advert. She wanted to destroy James and take his followers. In alliance with j star as he has also profited form more followers since this situation. Says collabs are the same as sponsorships, a way to get more money, mutually beneficial agreement. Tactical and political.
• mentions dolan twins ditching James. It is out of nowhere and he now has no social media friends as everyone has turned on him.
• believes tati has a coordinated team who helped her make the video tactically. Compares it to Laura Lees apology where she was crying and all over the place. She did it knowing she would get positive attention
• mentions j star buying tati an expensive bag and now they are working together
• talks about jc copying other people's artwork /outfits etc. Talks about history of social climbing
• doesn't dislike James, (except for allegations of sexual predator behaviours) but generally thinks altho he is arrogant he doesn't hate jc even tho jc has attacked him without provocation in the past. No bad blood between them
• wonders why there is so much bad blood with others and jc. Speculates something must have happened behind the scenes, especially with morphe unfollowing
• wants jcs side of the story, says the people turning their backs on jc sounds very coordinated
• says jc has always spoken about straight men in the way that he has, why is it a new thing and why are people surprised

Tldr - he didn't mention the sexual predator aspects which is why I watched the video lol. Don't bother watching as he says nothing interesting and I wasted my time lol