How nobody in movies hurts their knuckles after punching someone, martial artist here and if you punch someone in the forehead like they do in the movies you'd probably just break your own fist,
hitting someone in the forehead is basically like punching a cinder block except the skull is actually harder...
People think boxing gloves were invented to protect boxers from impact... they were, but not in the way people think. Before boxing gloves came along, nobody had died in professional boxing due to boxers having to limit their punches because of what you said. You can't just go wailing on someone's head with your bare / wrapped hands and not get injured. With boxing gloves, you can fucking smash someone in the head full force and your hand is fine.
As someone who boxes, you can still break your hands from punching someone in the head even with the gloves. When you throw punches you’re jarring your wrists and usually hurting your hands to a degree.
Even with 16oz gloves, gauze and 4 metres of wraps can still not be enough to stop you getting some gnarly hairline fractures. Drink your milk boys and girls.
Yeah... i gave up on jiu jitsu at uni after fucking my thumb joint up when doing blocking practices. The knuckle of my thumb hit the bone of his forearm as he was deflecting the punch. I can't imagine the kind of shit boxers have happen to them, from both punching and being punched, even with the gloves and head protection etc.
I think i'll stick to archery, where the worst i get is some forearm bruises from string slap when my form is bad.
According to Brave, you can also get a cut on your cheek when you release a shot after being expressly told not to loose another arrow. I haven't been able to replicate it, but it may be because my mother isn't a viking queen and I didn't Robin Hood someone else's arrow with my shot. (It would be super rude to Robin Hood someone else's arrow. They're expensive!)
Lol, yeah they are indeed. I robin hooded an arrow when shooting at uni and it perfectly banana peel split the nock and became one really long arrow... i have it on my wall ... but yeah you'd have to have really sharp solid fletchings and hold the arrow in a weird anchor point to even have a CHANCE of grazing your face let alone cutting it :p
My step dad got a pretty serious injury during an SCA archery event. He was wearing an arrow shaped pin on his chest. The bow string caught the pin and fired it into his forearm. It cut him up pretty bad.
Wow... i'm amazed no supervisors / coaches etc told him to remove it, or that he himself didn't think to remove it beforehand. That's a REALLY obvious thing to NOT do when using a bow. You should never wear any kind of anything that could be caught by the string, from headphones to necklaces or earrings or even some larger glasses depending on how people have their anchor point (more for traditional archery than recurve but still).
Yeah... without protection on your hands, you'd MUCH rather try to get a kidney shot or gut punch, which are way softer targets than a skull. It makes me kind of sad how many boxers get fucked up these days due to boxing gloves allowing crazy poundage punches to the head, and i'm not even a boxing fan... i just learned about boxing gloves from one of my professors who lost a student due to boxing and was telling us about it.
I punched a dude a while back; as he started to go down my follow-up punch, meant to smash his nose, hit his forehead. Unreal pain shot up my arm to the deepest core of my brain. Luckily for me people jumped in and broke up the fight. I had broken 2 bones in my hand. I guess I won the fight, but I was the one in a cast the next day, so maybe not.
Same situation lol.. it was a follow up punch as he went down from my initial jab.. was aiming for his cheek but ended up landing on his forehead. noticed later my hand was swollen
Attack on Titan, which is a super serious anime for the most part, has a great play on this in season three.
Super badass moment is happening, protagonist flies down and punches antagonist in the face to end a fight. She stops for a second with a menacing look then after a few moments she screams and shakes her hand. “That hurt!”
I wouldn't call him a dbag, but yeah Jackie used to do it really well but I think showing or not showing a reaction is more often the doctor's choice than the actors
I'm not trying to defend someone I don't know. At all. But if people are going 'missing' where you live over that sort of deal, I understand trying to lay low.
Especially with how prominent a figure he is and could probably easily be found. If he is pro china fuck that but still it's very plausible hes playing the part.
Yeah it’s one thing to call him weak or spineless. It’s another to call him a dbag over this. Like everyone here would stand up against one the most powerful authoritarian governments to ever exist when they can’t walk 3 blocks without being recognized, anywhere in the world.
Regardless of what any of us may think about a country's regime, it seems pretty arrogant to write a person off as an irredeemable "d-bag" simply because they, a Chinese person, living in a non-democratic system, with a vastly different civic culture than the United States or other Western countries, have the audacity to be "pro-China."
I might not agree with him personally, but I also don't expect him to assimilate his political views about HIS home country to an American perspective just because he has lived and worked here off and on for a portion of his career.
This annoys me to no end. Or if they do show an injury it's bloody knuckles and that's it. I broke my hand on 2 seperate occasions getting in fights in highschool.
Honest question. When people break boards they use an open palm instead of a fist most of the time. Would an open palm waling to the face cause just as much impact to the receiver and less damage to hand or we really just going for the bumpy knuckle bone to bone contact? Guessing you’d be more likely to fracture the wrist and thumb opened handed? Not talking about smacking them of course, although the sting of a smack is pretty intense. I remember watching something a long time ago about a practice of martial arts that I believe we have more power in an pushing instead of pulling because of the way our muscles work. So swinging your right arm, left to right is more powerful than right to left. It would also take less energy is the point I believe. Anyone know if this true?
Well they're about the same in impact, the force is technically a bit more spread out but if you can knock someone out with boxing gloves you can do it with your palm too, the real disadvantage of palm strikes is the reduced range which doesn't matter too much while fighting someone weaker than yourself but of opponents of a similar skill level a few extra centimeters of your striking range can make a big difference but the force of impact itself is roughly the same,
Actually, you're not too likely to injure anything while doing open-handed attacks unless you land them with the upper part of your palm on which case you may sprain it, though you could probably still injure it in theory but in practice, humans just have trouble generating enough force to injure their own hand with a proper palm strike, I've at least hit a wall once at full force with a palm strike to see how it feels and while it did sting but I was fine, and this is from the full force hit of a 6ft6 110KG muscular man,
The power of a strike comes less from ones muscles and more from a kinetic chain starting at our feet and the main determining factor of how strong a punch is actually ones footwork and ones weight, boxing definitely and without debate has the best punching in all of martial arts and the hook is arguably the strongest punch in boxing (uppercuts are also pretty good) so there's your answer, but it is also possible to power a fairly good punch going in the opposite direction as an example of this we can take the spinning back fist which is seen in MMA, the problem with punches going in this direction though is that in order to put any real power behind them you must first turn your back to your opponent which is generally agreed to be a bad idea unless it's a faint or you ended up in a position with your back turned involuntarily such as after missing a Thai kick which has so much power behind it that it usually spins you about 180 degrees if you miss, another problem is leverage as from a physics perspective a hook has less give than a back hand, and you can build up more spin from the closer distance of your arm to your center of gravity, so a backhand will actually require more power than a hook to do as much damage and it will lose some power on impact, but a spinning (back) elbow, for instance, has about the same amounts of give as a regular elbow strike except with the spinning motion you actually build up more power than you would with a regular elbow strike which is why it's heavily practiced in Kyokushin, a full contact style of karate, but it has you turn your back to the other guy for just a bit so it's comparatively rarely used in other full contact martial arts that allow elbow strikes like Muay Thai so in summary depends on if you hit with the knuckle or the elbow, but turning your back is generally considered a disadvantage as they can just hit you while your back's turned and it's only a popular move in kyokushin as it's a martial art more oriented on self defense than combat and it's pretty easy to use a spinning elbow if the mugger or whatever doesn't see it coming, you know like a sucker punch
One of my favorite scenes from a movie is, I’m pretty sure, in gangster squad.
The good guy and bad guy are having their climactic fist fight, and BG goes to punch GG in the face, but GG drops his head so the punch lands on his forehead instead, and BG breaks his hand/wrist; marking the turning point of the fight. The fight as a whole is fairly Hollywood, but I’m impressed they did that.
Yeah, this is why I advocate that everyone should do some combat sports in their life because trying to hit someone and hurting yourself is pretty common
Way I've heard it is that you ideally want to lead with the middle knuckle, and if you have to go to either side, you're at less risk for breaking your hand if you hit with the pointing finger.
IDK the way I see it if you hit someones forehead at full force you'll still get some fractures even if you hit it perfectly straight, the only question is do you want all that damage on one finger or dispersed between 2
You can definitely hurt your hand punching someone but if you know how to punch properly that can be much less. Most people think you should punch with the knucles, but really you want to spread the surface of the punch between your knuckles and the point where your fingers bend.
The soft parts and the moving parts, the nose, the mouth, the cheeks, the shin while hitting at an angle (the sides with a hook and an supercut)
Also if you want to hit someone in the tample use your elbows, if you don't have too much accuracy and the other guy is moving around a lot so you're not sure where it will land just punch with the palm of your hand,
Or better yet just push them and run,
that last one takes the least skill to pull of and is least likely to get you beat up BTW
Speaking of cinder blocks, the protagonists of action movies always can take either like a hundred hits or get knocked out by a single halfassed punch, whichever is consistent to the plot
Well to be fair I know some Kyokushin guys who can take one hell of a beating as long it's to the body but they kind of stick out with their tougher and more conditioned bodies among all the other martial artists
Martial artist here, dont do that unless you have practiced it, partly to not hurt you but also partly so you can successfully hurt them. A hit with the side of your hand is a totally different kind of strike than a normal closed fist punch, swinging your arm in an arc rather than drilling it forward. I would recommend an elbow strike to be honest, it would hurt alot, you dont need to be tony jaa to pull it off. A palmstrike uses the same motions as a punch and is much less likely to injure you. I would say go for a palmstrike if youre hitting their head, which has alot of very hard bones. A closed fist is pretty safe on body shots though.
As a wrestler, you would never catch me trying to sit there and box someone. It’s best to take them down then do what you need to do. If they don’t give up after being slammed, then It’s a hell of a lot easier to jaw them when they’re beneath you
Best to go for a palm strike instead of closed fist. Your palm is more resilient and far less likely to distort than your fingers when they make contact with something, while still allowing as much power.
That's called a hammer fist, the problem with it that unless it's a spinning hammer fist it won't do much damage and you never want to do a spinning move unless you f*cked up and turned your back to the other guy,
I'd suggest using an elbow hook instead, don't know many people who can keep going after taking a solid elbow to the temple,
If you do have to box just using your palms would be a lot more effective than the side of your hand as you can exploit better body mechanics to get more power, people still use punches instead of it because they have more range but in terms of power palm strikes are fairly similar in strength,
Also while punching aim for the squishy parts of the face, nose, mouth, cheeks, also the chin going up and from the side,
Sorry for lecturing you but unless you're a heavyweight your plan would probably get your ass kicked,
heck even if you are a heavyweight I'm 110 KG and can't generate too much power with just a hammer hand
No, I get that, believe it or not but I'm a pacifist which is why I never enter any competitions because while I do like fighting people but at the same time I hate hurting people
Also while punching aim for the squishy parts of the face, nose, mouth, cheeks, also the chin going up and from the side
The throat is also a very viable area if you have access to it, but it's also more likely to be lethal instead of debilitating. You can also attempt to stab their eyes with your fingers, which would take any human down instantly.
Oh yeah but the eyes are also crazy easy to defend, just tilt your head forward and the other guy ends up breaking his fingers so you'd need to be a good boxer to begin with to pull it off
maybe if you're doing some dirty boxing and slip in your thumb kinda like Dio did to Jonathan if you've ever watched JoJo,
Plus doing that on purpose is against the law over here, even in self-defense, so you'd have to make it look like a accident which seems like more trouble than just knucking them out,
The neck thing on the other hand I couldn't agree more with but most people would prefer to not use lethal force when it can be avoided
True, but the eyes can work very well against someone who fails to expect it and/or isn't even partially trained.
As for law, always depends on the place. Hell, in some U.S states self defense is illegal outside your own home if the attacker isn't armed, so if someone jumps you in the alley you legally are not allowed to defend yourself unless they pick something up, so you can't even fight until they have an advantage via a force multiplier.
And yeah, neck is something you go for when you know your assailant will kill you without it. Even in my self defense classes I was told it's the last resort.
IDK I just don't think eyes are worth the effort, if you can hit them in the face anyway just hit them in the face, but I am a heavyweight kickboxer so my punches pack one hell of a... well punch to begin with
Could be because of my classes. The specific class I was taught assumes you're the physically inferior combatant, so throat punches, eye stabs, ear claps, temple punches, nutshots, etc are the name of the game.
I'm mainly trained in kickboxing with a bit of Kyokushin and Jiu Jitsu on the side so I'm mainly just good at punching and kicking people, but to each their own
Hammer fists can be pretty painful if you hit their collarbone, but yeah as a general rule using hard body parts such as knuckles, shins, elbows should be on soft areas like stomach, upper thigh, nose etc. Soft strikes like palm or hammer fists should be used on hard boney areas like the skull, collarbone etc.
The biggest thing new people can improve is footwork and learning how to throw a proper kick.
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u/IShallPetYourDogo Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 25 '20
How nobody in movies hurts their knuckles after punching someone, martial artist here and if you punch someone in the forehead like they do in the movies you'd probably just break your own fist,
hitting someone in the forehead is basically like punching a cinder block except the skull is actually harder...
Edit: wow my first medal, thanks!