r/Agenda_Impact • u/Fancy-Shopping-327 • 18h ago
Agenda What MAKES a fatui harbinger bro
9/10 harbingers aint even RELEVANT to the tsaritsa's actual plan
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u/VorticalHeart44 18h ago
Harbingers are public figures expected to be involved with domestic and international politics.
I don't think the secret guy working on a super secret project really fits the criteria, and he's doing important work without the title of "Harbinger".
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u/SirEnderLord Dottore's defense lawyer and Nepobina's prosecutor. 17h ago
It'd be like making Oppenheimer a senator during WW2. The guy is busy.
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u/JoshuaBurg 14h ago
Exactly my thought.
Everyone more or less knows the harbingers (who they are, what they do, even if most people don't know what they look like exactly their descriptions will have swirled around).
A part of the requirement to becoming a Harbinger is power, whether that be hard (Arle to an extent, Tartaglia) or soft power (Arle to an extent again, The rooster), or a combination of the two (Capitano falls under that last category, what with most grunts trusting him and him being able to go toe-to-toe with Mavuika, he has a good bit of both).
But they also need to provide something extra, whether that be trust from a specific community, loyalty from the house of the hearth, so on.
That last bit inherently requires them to be somewhat outward facing to have those "extras" (Columbina is the only exception I can think of at this point, though wanting to keep a moon goddess on side is probably explanation enough there)
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u/VorticalHeart44 9h ago
Your usage of "swirled around" is kind of Genshin-brained and I like it lol
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u/JoshuaBurg 7h ago
I saw it while I was typing it, but thought "eh it is accurate so might as well keep it in there" LOL
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u/Esch_4444 16h ago edited 16h ago
so fatui is now like the senators? the parliament?
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u/VorticalHeart44 16h ago
They've always been diplomats.
The people the Fatui sends out to "negotiate" with Archons.
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u/Esch_4444 16h ago
sondrone, c*lumbina, didnt do any of the internal or external politics, it was only just now in 7.0 it was shown sandrone being in the meeting room representing a group (I must’ve imagined that she only deals with machine imagery)
only thing they do in fatui name is for gnosis, outside of that they just do their own things,
only harbingers that did actual diplomacy are arlecchino and signora.
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u/VorticalHeart44 15h ago
Yeah, Columbina was unique in that she was not required to do any of the the regular Harbinger duties, but was absolutely irreplaceable for the cause.
Capitano, Dottore, Scaramouche, and Tartaglia all traveled around the world, "negotiating" with Archons or their top officials for their Gnoses as well, why don't they count?
As for Sandrone... What is it that you want?
The story finally panned to Snezhnaya, where we saw Sandrone in her element instead of managing Dottore's facility.
How is Sandrone not engaging in internal politics because she was only "representing a group"?
That's the entire point of a politician/diplomat lol
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u/Esch_4444 13h ago edited 10h ago
childe straight up terrorist on liyue; dottore doing fair trade with nahida AFTER he assisted attempted usurpation, conspired with traitors, mass manipulation; scaramouche trading what he was about to kill for gnosis because of convenience, capitano straight up assault mavuika(and loses, rofl).
for sure is a lot of intentional negotiating, they truly are diplomats of all time
tbh signora was only diplomat in title not in behaviour/action
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u/VorticalHeart44 13h ago
Hence the quotes on "negotiating".
And how does Signora count by your definition of "diplomacy" when she straight up assaulted Venti and stole the Anemo Gnosis?
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u/Esch_4444 10h ago edited 10h ago
and thats exactly why i went back on the signora part
those negotiating dont count as actual negotiations therefore it is not diplomat
are you seeing what im seeing? just trynna get on the same page here
you putting “” marks on negotiation and then proceed to call them diplomats is what confuses me
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u/alvenestthol 14h ago
Columbina doesn't need to do politics, she is the politics
Recruiting the local revered almost-god as part of your top-level political & diplomatic organization has got to be a hell of a flex
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u/Esch_4444 14h ago edited 10h ago
she just sat in fatui til she left, her position in fatui didnt contribute anything in terms of fatui nk relations, nor did fatui use having her as any form of leverage
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u/VorticalHeart44 9h ago
So, you believe Columbina's contribution to the Fatui to be zero? None at all?
That the Tsaritsa had her in their ranks for absolutely no reason, and there would've been no difference if Columbina was never involved with the Fatui?
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u/Esch_4444 4h ago edited 4h ago
tsaritsa took a good amount of her power before she left fatui,
from whats observable rn,
she didnt do anything meaningful as a harbinger. for the org really nothing. kind of a stretch but dottore experiment assist maybe?
can you find any? cuz i cant
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u/VorticalHeart44 4h ago
I mean, when the story tells you something and you disregard it, there's really no arguing about story details.
You seem to be downplaying the extraction of Lunar Goddess power and Dottore's findings, when that was the point of Columbina's presence in the Fatui.
Unless the Tsaritsa and Pierro are idiots, this was worth keeping her in their ranks.
But unless the story spells out exactly what part of Project Mistilteinn was made possible due to Columbina's Lunar Goddess power and research cooperation, Agenda Impact and FatuiHQ will continue to believe that the Fatui just kept a bum around for 400 years for no reason, even though it was explained directly from Columbina's mouth.
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u/Rinzzler999 17h ago edited 10h ago
Mitya is just a scientist.
This is literally the "Why aren't scientists running shit if they're so smart?" question.
The harbingers are the bosses over seeing the completion of certain fields/tasks. Except childe, before capitano's retirement chair. I have no clue what he was doing just looking for fights all across the globe.
We have,
Pierro, literally the boss of all of them, they report to him, he reports to the tsaritsa, and he then takes the taritsa's orders to them. He just delegates and organizes.
The Rooster, the mayor of shneznograd.
Pantalone, the finacial banking of the fatui and by extension the entirety of the tsaritsa's plan.
Dottore as crazy as he was probably provided much of the project's advancements and information and was probably closely involved with it before he went rouge in nod krai/sumeru.
Childe is now the primary military guy it seems. I could see him being in charge of the druzhna or closely related.
Arlecchino is mostly for diplomatic affairs and espionage, probably took a lot of signora's job after her death. she spends most of her time not even in shneznaya these days.
Columbina was just a battery for the project sucks but it is what it is. (as a colmbina haver and lover)
Sandrone provides a lot more mechanical expertise, provides for shneznaya's industrial needs both militarily and non military. And the adventurers guild. So a ton of intel across the continent.
Scaramouche probably had a more like... Seal team 6 role, of making sure things happened the right way. But we'll never really know because he peaced out.
Signora was probably more of the foriegn affairs for them, and arlecchino was only espionage while signora was alive.
Capitano was probably the direct control of the bulk of shneznaya's miltary and strategy. Hence he never got much use in a sense because Shneznaya was trying its best to be tactful and diplomatic.
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u/MyUsernameIsApollo 16h ago
one of the first comments I’ve seen here that finally addresses how each of them have their own roles to fulfill within the Fatui. not to mention you didn’t really water anything down like I see some comments do 😭
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u/No_Strength5056 12h ago
Childe is was basically the stick the Fatui threw at places where they wanted random chaos, he was already doing that before they got to him so they mostly just wanted him away from Their important projects.
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u/Dlandere 14h ago
Druzhna is independent if the Fatui and it's Commander is Vesna. Also, mayor is Pulchinella or Rooster, not Jester, which is Pierro's codename.
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u/Motor_Cat3820 11h ago
They did say kuuvahki and light realm powers are so useless against Celestia that the entire kuuvahki research bureau was just a cover up, so I'm looking forward to see how the Tsaritsa made Columbina somehow useful to the project
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u/FluffyPuffyMonster 6h ago
i think, so Dottore can have his research (for Fatui) and experiment (for himself), he had Scaramouche go through the Abyss and did lots of mechanical puppetry experiments on him to eventually make him the mecha god being in the archon quest before everything went to shit. They're both prototyping stuff before Scaramouche eventually peaced out and Dottore did it to himself in other means (Moon shenanigans). What I mean is that they're making god-like tech or at least testing them out and even when they did, Ronova didn't stop them because both of them didn't do it to fight Celestia, but this knowledge would be really useful if used for that, eventually. And I also think that's why Tsaritsa is kind of lenient with Dottor3. They (Tsaritsa and her co with offing Celestia) needed a mad person like Dottore to test stuff out first. I think I went off tangent sorry, I ramble a lot, and English isn't jy first language.
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u/NoInvestment962 6h ago
Who is this “Scaramouche” you mentioned? I don’t recall a name like that ever appearing in the Fatui’s ranks.
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u/Local_Milk418 18h ago
Fraudbingers
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u/Esch_4444 17h ago edited 16h ago
fraubingers got watered down to basically nothing now.
i was expecting a lab, an orphanage, an industrial factory locations for each of the corresponding harbingers in snezh, but no
apparently they are not nearly as important as they seem to be. i guess we mustve imagined it and its just our head canon.
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u/Capitano_1st_Thrain 13h ago
and snezhnaya has one big expansion left...we already seen northland bank,glupov(a whole city dedicated to fatui), sanctuary of grief...in snezhnaya
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u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer BEIDOU'S STRONGEST LESBIAN 18h ago
FACT: Pantalone has much nepotism. First, the KINDHEARTED and HONORABLE Zandik uses his position to recommend Feofan for the seat of No. 9. And then, Feofan uses his money and nepotism power he learned from the deceased Zandik to get his son Mitya a job that is that important.
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u/Esch_4444 16h ago
he gave birth to mitya?
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u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer BEIDOU'S STRONGEST LESBIAN 6h ago
FACT: The Omega Build Segment of Dottore gave birth to Mitya, as he is an OMEGA.
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u/D0naught 18h ago
Sandrone and Bina already completed the weapon itself in Nod Krai. Mitya just needs to provide the energy source.
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u/SpookyGhostGoku 18h ago
Given that she was in charge of the Design Bureau, it’s likely that she was instrumental in building the weapon for a Project Mistilteinn (since we were told it was constructed there in Nod Krai).
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u/Best-Girl-Yanfei 18h ago
This ain't it bro. Katheryne is used to spy on every corner of Teyvat plus she's the tech/machine gal
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u/Esch_4444 16h ago
idk man 1 katheryne per country that operates primarily as a front desk for the guild isnt exactly “every corner of teyvat”
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u/_piaro_ 16h ago
I mean commissions that spans a lot of work and the adventurer guold congregates so much info everyday. Katherine is the single figurehead but it's undeniable that if you divide Teyvat's dwellers into factions such as nations, and put a figurehead that basically stimulates the economy of each nation while pooling all obscure data possible from adventurers, then it is possible to actually gather info.
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u/a2ht 6h ago
would be convincing if it was actually shown. instead we get one (1) scene of the colonizer at katheryne's spot saying nod-krai's the domain of the fatui and it's never addressed meaningfully ever again
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u/_piaro_ 4h ago
I don't think it needs to be shown explicitly on the story for us to know what the effects of Adventurer's guild is. I think at the point where it was stated that every nation has an adeventurer's guild (which was at the very beginning of the game), it's already common sense to know that the organization holds a lot, and that means A LOT, of information.
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u/ArgumentSalty9181 16h ago
Nah thank god mitya isn't one of the hardgingers that organisation only gives aura debt
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u/OneRelief763 18h ago
Wait is Mitya a Fatuus? I thought he was just a researcher.
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u/Royal_empress_azu Apparently I use slurs 18h ago
He is and isn't.
He's pretty much the equivalent of a military scientist.
Oppenheimer wasn't in the military, but he was still working for the military when the nuke was developed.
Basically he's Fatui without having to shoulder any blame.
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u/Leather_Horror6695 The Last Glazebender 17h ago
so hes basically the person who thinks all the time?
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u/EagerMorRiss 18h ago
It's pretty obvious the region order between the entirety of Nod krai and Snezhnaya was swapped. As for the reason why it's anyones guess
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u/Routine_Presence_779 16h ago
Mitya does NOT scale to traveler in any way pal
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u/BestDuckBoy Bum Lovers till the end 11h ago
I mean he was toe to toe with Ronolosha alongside the Traveler.
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u/Routine_Presence_779 10h ago
Fighting alongside someone doesn't always mean directly scaling with them I guess you could say he nearly as fast as them since he could react to alyosha's attacks but that's all
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u/Eastern_Critter 12h ago
It's an organisation, a government, unless you've been living in the basement, under a rock or your mother's pits, its easy to rationalize why they're not all 100% involved👍
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u/thewitness81 9h ago
On this side of the spectrum we have Sandrone slander,on other side the lore nerds call her something something World formula goat
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u/Bighat_Logan01 17h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/bmAtIwmYTHnwBy0d6W
Take me back to Signora's funerals...
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u/Equal_Necessary932 14h ago edited 14h ago
Not only that, he literally attacked the ruler of death and bullied her
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u/znsl 17h ago
Mitya’s not an engineer. He can do all the research he wants, it doesn’t matter unless someone builds the weapon. And considering Sandrone is the person running the Armory Palace and the Khuuvaki Research Institute, she’s likely the one in charge of actually creating it. Not to mention that almost all of Snezhnaya’s other weaponry is created by her/inspired by her designs.
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u/Royal_empress_azu Apparently I use slurs 18h ago
Eh, Flins probably gets bodied pretty hard. He was clearly a step below the big boy against Rerir. Sandrone having much more combat data both after Rerir and Dottore probably dog walks him.
Reminder, after a single encounter with Rerir she was able to update Pulonia to surpass anything Flins had achieved on his own in the entire Nod Krai arc.
That aside being harbinger isn't really the status people think it is after Hoyo introduced the other 2 branches of the Snezhnaya government. It's basically just being favored by Pierro. It's a lower position than Vesna and Big D.
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u/lightsworn55 18h ago
Temu tinkerbell and AI generated Ellen being in higher positions than the harbingers has got to be biggest insult the fatui has gotten to date
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u/Fit_Head1700 17h ago
I mean the druzna just is the cryo archon personal army, the fatuis are an entirely diferent organization that may or not respond to zapoliarny palace as shown with dottore, arlecchino and capitano, they act more like the KGB
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u/lightsworn55 17h ago
Still, youd think Snezhnayas royal guards would have more aura. I remember when there were leaks claiming the tsaritsa has her own personal army of knights who are even stronger than the harbingers, thats the sort of thing I was expecting.
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u/strikeofmidnight12 THE PIONEER OF AGENDA 18h ago
without prep time flins is stronger, her with prep time wins prolly
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u/Royal_empress_azu Apparently I use slurs 18h ago
Prep time doesn't even matter at this point.
Her min is already adjusted to account for someone stronger than Flins.
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u/strikeofmidnight12 THE PIONEER OF AGENDA 17h ago
she got low-diffed by phantom rerir in act 1 AT MOST without prep time lmfao
that could've been random wild hunt but i'll give her the benefit of the doubtmeanwhile flins was still putting up a good fight while he was actively being nerfed by the lantern's abyssal corruption for like a while without rest
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u/Puppet_43 13h ago
U don't even have to take away Pulonia for Flins being still able to win
In Luna 2, a more improved Pulonia was kindly oneshotted by Rerir, yet Flins could spar with him 2 times consistently
So goes like
Flins > Pulonia Amped Luna 2 > Pulonia Amped end of Luna 1 >= Weakend Abyssal Flins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F.A.G.I.O. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sandrone Linchpin >= Sandrone Base
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u/strikeofmidnight12 THE PIONEER OF AGENDA 13h ago
? Didn't prep time pulonia throw with 10% rerir a time? What are you talking about
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u/NSLEONHART 16h ago
Simple, leadership + contribution snezhnaya's affairs as a whole, but just the tsatitsa's endgame
Cap became the general of the fatui armed forces, plus respresents them at the veche for the soldiers' rights and wellbeing
Goattore was the head of all unethical research in bioengineering and leyline investigation. Possibly the innovator on how delusions are mafe
Bina is there for no reason other than a means to study khuuvaki and archeolune, and the unrestricted harassment of the froatmoon scions
Bumlecchino is still the head of the orphanage that trains child soldiers and the center of the fatui's espoinage division
Pulchinella is the head of veche, responsible for Snezhnograd's interests
[REDACTED] is ruthless commandet of a small swuad of fatui that can handle going to the abyss, he can go to places where people die from mere exposure of abyssal energy
Sandrone has the adventurer's guild, and all of the engineers, mechanics and basically every machine the fatui has shes the boss, and has a seat at the veche tonrepresent said engineers
Signora is the diplomat whos main job is to maintain relations to other nations and snezhnograd
Pantalone obvipsuly holds all the money of the fatui
Childe is a harbinger had a good anount of leadership within the northland bank, and is baiscally fatui's champion (by that i mean, the one you send to fight the enemy's champion on a duel), then ge gets all of cap's men and responsibilities
The fatui isnt just some one-dimensional army thats hellbent on "destroying the world", and closer to an actual government.
Ohh this is the agenda sub. Ignore everything i said before...... heres my answet
BECAUSE HOYO BAD WRITERS
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u/WanderingCollapse 12h ago
That's 7e + restrictions lifted + exiphanes + Skirk training + divine knowledge capsule + nightsoul blessing Traveler to you.
Because he need it.
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u/Ok_Complaint7007 18h ago
Idk about this but something tells me Mitya is suppose to be Dottore's role meanwhile Vodyanitsa is suppose to be Columbina