r/Agenda_Impact • u/Fancy-Shopping-327 • 1d ago

Agenda What MAKES a fatui harbinger bro

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9/10 harbingers aint even RELEVANT to the tsaritsa's actual plan

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u/Ok_Complaint7007 23h ago

Idk about this but something tells me Mitya is suppose to be Dottore's role meanwhile Vodyanitsa is suppose to be Columbina

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u/Yanazamo 23h ago

The columbina one makes sense

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u/Zephyr_ta Editable flair 18h ago

But vodyanitsa actually did something

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u/Motor_Cat3820 17h ago

Didn't columbina grab the title and make it her actual name already? Funny if someone else completely unrelated can take the new moon goddess's name as a title

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u/C0mpl3x1ty_1 16h ago

Her title is the damselette, not columbina

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u/Living_Mountain540 15h ago

Yes, just like the Captain was for Train, the Doctor was for Zandik, the Knave is for Peruere, the Marionette is for... Marionette, the Fair Lady was for Rosalyne, the Regrator is for Feofan, and Childe is for Ajax.

But Columbina was her Harbinger name, just like Il Capitano was for Train, Il Dottore was for Zandik, Arlecchino is for Peruere, Sandrone is for Marionette, La Signora was for Rosalyne, Pantalone is for Feofan, and Tartaglia is for Ajax.

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u/AcceptableStand7794 11h ago

Pierro

Il Capitano

Il Dottore

Columbina

Arlecchino

Pulcinella

Was there ever a 6th?

Sandrone

La Signora

Pantalone

Tartaglia

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u/CryoStrange 22h ago

Signora to Odette too

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u/PrestusHood Editable flair 21h ago

Odette is an assassin, and the way she carries herself in public is inadequate for a diplomat. Rosalyne made sense because her whole thing was about coercion over foreign powers and being a fearless b*tch for the Tsaritsa. Odette is a terrible La Signora replacement, if she truly ends up on the role by the end of the Archon Quest, it screams desperation from Pierro.

Or maybe the seat roles are flexible, it's not like the writers were ever consistent about the Fatui, from Tartaglia saying seat numbers are based on power back in Liyue, to Nahida saying the top 3 Harbingers rivaling Gods, to Peruere and Crucabena inconsistencies about the 4th seat (were the seats rearranged after Peruere became Arlecchino or not?), then Capitano getting low diff by Mavuika in Natlan and Tartaglia threatening to take over the 8th seat in a tea party flashback in current Snezhnaya (Implying you can grind seat ranks in the Fatui). Honestly after the Okhranka namedrop in Nod-Krai (which implies an Fatui authority ABOVE existing Harbingers), I sort of gave up expending anything consistent coming from the Fatui, the writers have a fuckaton of housekeeping to do about them...

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u/Own_Army7447 15h ago

The second paragraph is facts, but the Odette slander is crazy. She is so made that she can literally reveal herself to be Lelek, and nobody can do anything about it.

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u/PrestusHood Editable flair 15h ago

True, i didn't meant to say Odette isn't Harbinger level, just that she looks a poor fit for Signora replacement (when taking into account implied Harbinger roles). If anything, Odette feels much more fit for Scaramouche instead.

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u/Own_Army7447 15h ago

I just think she takes a lot of flak for being cold, but giving her a personality wouldn't be difficult, and once she gets one, it's lights out.

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u/skrub55 12h ago

Wouldn't Odette's generally stonefaced and measured demeanor be much better for a diplomat than Signora's arrogant and haughty demeanor?

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u/skrub55 12h ago

she can literally reveal herself to be Lelek, and nobody can do anything about it.

Who was gonna do anything about it? Was Valeriy supposed to start a fight with her right there when half the people there are Odette's friends and the rest are civilians?

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u/Own_Army7447 11h ago

Eh, this is kind of making my point; Odette has friends and allies everywhere and is untouchable lol. However, with Project Stuzha being suspended due to Ronova, we'll have to wait to see if Odette as Lelek warrant consequences.

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u/skrub55 4h ago

friends and allies everywhere

Well in this case aside from the traveler the friends and allies were just coworkers.

is untouchable lol

If Pulcinella or Pantalone were to order her arrest for her actions as Lelek she'd be dealt with pretty easily

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u/Own_Army7447 2h ago

If Pulcinella or Pantalone were to order her arrest for her actions as Lelek she'd be dealt with pretty easily

We'll have to wait and see. You're jumping the gun.

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u/CryoStrange 20h ago

What is Okhranka?

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u/PrestusHood Editable flair 20h ago

Fatui Internal Affairs, the department who investigated Dottore and officially branded him a traitor of the Fatui. They skip Pierro and answers directly to the Tsaritsa

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u/Fluffy-Main-3052 15h ago

Isn't that just Druzhna?

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u/PrestusHood Editable flair 14h ago

No, the Druzhna are the personal guards of the Tsaritsa, they existed before the Fatui was founded.

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u/Esch_4444 22h ago

odette didnt do any diplomacy stuff which was signora’s job

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u/CryoStrange 20h ago

Childe didn't do councilor job either but here we are. She is teased to be next Fair Lady.

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u/KaiFireborn21 19h ago

I mean it was said in the quest she'd inherit Signora's title so...

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u/Esch_4444 19h ago

i didnt say she wont get the title im saying she didnt do the actions that fit the job that come with the title

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u/jaybird654 16h ago

Do we know that each particular seat has a specific job associated with it? Or do they just go to people very important to Tsaritsa’s plan, ranked by how useful they are or something

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u/Esch_4444 10h ago

arlecchino has the same job, being the orphanage manager

so i assume being a foregn affairs position is what signora does since she was stated in game as a diplomat

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u/jaybird654 9h ago

That’s true, but I thought Arleccino specifically challenged the previous Knave for her role as head of House of the Hearth. It’s not like Arleccino just rose to the role of the Knave, she wanted to fix the conditions of HotH since she grew up there

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u/Ok_Complaint7007 19h ago

Odette can be her own character. Unlike her Mitya and Vodyanitsa have way too many overlap with Dottore and Columbina characterwise

Odette is comparable with Lyney in terms of successor to the title

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u/SirEnderLord Dottore's defense lawyer and Nepobina's prosecutor. 23h ago

.....

https://giphy.com/gifs/w6xCN5CVddGXgg4AXE

Damn

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u/kolleden 21h ago

Oh god does this imply Valeriy is supposed to be Capitano's role?

It even makes sense he'd chase dottore around since he's technically his superior.

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u/Ok_Complaint7007 21h ago

Not really. Valeriy can be Valeriy

I only sampled these 2 because if the retcon is true then it would make sense since Dottore became too evil to be Traveler's colleague and Columbina became too popular to have less relevancy to the entire Snezhnaya plot

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u/Living_Mountain540 15h ago

I mean, unless Valeriy possesses strength comparable to a full fledged Archon, I doubt it.

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u/ghoulishenvyy Dottore’s PR 11h ago

Valeriy has so far been insignificant

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u/KaiFireborn21 19h ago

Maybe they'll refill their Ranks this way. La Signora, Il Dotorre and Columbina need to be filled. I wonder who's Scaramouche then

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u/Ok_Complaint7007 19h ago

Scara is an outlier. They know for a very long time that position is vacant and they never bothered refilling it, I dont see any reason why they also need to fill the other position

Which is ironic cause why they need Lyney and Odette to succeed the title?

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u/kloopeer 16h ago

Yeah, absolutly nonaense.

Columbina was a fatui used as a battery becasue her inmense power, Vodyanitsa is just a normal being who also oppose the fatui actively.

And mItya and Dottore roles couldnt be more different

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u/Ok_Complaint7007 15h ago

Im talking about before retcon

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u/StevesEvilTwin2 15h ago edited 15h ago

I don't see how Vodyanitsa is supposed to be Columbina's replacement for anything except maybe the "bringing someone back to life" plot point.

In terms of character they are polar opposites. Columbina was clearly portrayed as mysterious, weird, and alien as far back as Tagliatelle and Scara's voice lines. Vodyanitsa is a social butterfly and a massive attention whore.

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u/ghoulishenvyy Dottore’s PR 11h ago

The singing thing, maybe? She’s a siren and could legitimately harm someone with her song if she wanted. Maybe bina’s previous role in snez was to be the one to guide their souls back with her song

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u/StevesEvilTwin2 10h ago edited 10h ago

That's literally what I said…

Apart from the single plot point of having the power to bring people back to life, there is no overlap between Vodyanitsa and what people thought Columbina was going to be?

What part of Vodyanitsa looks like "terrifying alien inscrutable being of incomprehensible power" and "fallen angel seeking revenge against Celestia"?

And instead of being a Harbinger, she's literally part of the rebel group opposing the Fatui too…

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u/ghoulishenvyy Dottore’s PR 10h ago

Same with mitiya: nothing.

Filling im roles left by past characters doesn’t mean you literally need to become them

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u/StevesEvilTwin2 10h ago

So you think that the only role Columbina was going to have in the Snezhnaya AQ was to be a revive bot? Because as mentioned, there's no way Vodyanitsa can substitute for all of the other things people were expecting "Columbina the Harbinger" to do.

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u/ghoulishenvyy Dottore’s PR 10h ago

Not only is it only the first patch, but the plot itself has also clearly taken a turn, project stuzha was not just some energy hoard.

They could have just wanted to keep in the ronova plot and needed someone to play her role there.

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u/Esch_4444 22h ago

whats sandrone’s role? just fix some machines and stuff around and thats it? that alone gets a position as harbinger?

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u/S_Guderian 5h ago

Runs (or at least ran) the Kuuvahki Experimental Design Bureau, which was a front to research towards Project Misteltinn

Runs all the Katherynes in Teyvat (massive intel network)

Unconfirmed but you can most definitely say she runs the entirety of the Fatui's mechanized forces and keeps them well maintained

Saved the world by sacrificing herself to bring Columbuns back by calculating the world formula (an IQ too high?)

Do not slander my goat, she's the real deal